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Submitted by NatureOfLogic 393d ago | news

Xbox exec: ‘We have a more complete value proposition than our competitors’

If you’re a gamer, it’s hard not to be really freakin’ excited for this November when two new consoles — the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One — finally hit store shelves.

But which one will you snag? Trying to save a few bucks with the $399 PS4? Love Halo so much that you’re dedicated to the Xbox? Or will you pass and keep on playing the Wii U while staying true to your Nintendo roots? (PS4, Xbox One)

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ZBlacktt  +   393d ago | Well said
A $100 is not a few bucks. There is a reason why the PS4 is selling millions of pre orders. We are in the 4th Qtr of the game here. The consoles come out in 2 months. We seen a lot of flip flops, copy type marketing and Exec quit/fired/replaced over there at MS. They should fix themselves before worrying about Sony. Whom are in full command at this stage of the game.

Btw, I think people who love XBox are not all going to jump ship. More so now that MS has gone back on all their restrictions. We see the X1 pre-orders in games starting to go up (COD). So their ship is not sunk. It was just drifting for a long time.
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zeal0us  +   393d ago | Well said
It would be extremely hard to justify a system that $100 more that hides majority of its features behind a paywall.

Mehdi and the rest of the MS exec will have a hard time on their hands trying prove that their system is worth choosing over their competitor's system.
Agent-86  +   393d ago | Well said
Thank you for pointing this out. The price difference is much more than $100 since just about every feature of Xbox One requires a Gold subscription. Basically, if you don't get Gold, all you have is a console that will play SP games and BR movies. Meanwhile, the only thing Sony has behind the PS+ paywall is online gaming and free games. You can do just about everything else that MS advertises but without paying a yearly subscription.

I can see some real problems once the casual gaming audience realizes this. They buy an Xbox One because of all these promises of what it can do, then plug it in and find out that it won't do any of those things without paying MS an additional $60 a year. Say the lifespan is 7 years, that's an additional $420 on top of the $100 price difference. Casual gamers and mom/dads who buy this thing for the "all in one entertainment device" are going to be in for quite a bit of sticker shock.
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MizTv   393d ago | Trolling | show
black0o  +   393d ago | Well said
I said it before and saying it again
''MS is doing greater job selling the PS4 then SONY itself''
4Sh0w  +   393d ago
I think so but for the record me and my kids liked using Kinect on 360, it had its problems but it was still enjoyable experience for a change of pace between traditional gaming. I think my excitement comes from anticipation of seeing how they can improve on kinect to add to all types of gaming experiences.
3-4-5  +   393d ago
The xbox die hards just like the sony ones, would pay $700 for their console of choice.

Some people just don't care, they want what they want, even if they have to pay more.

Never been a sony gamer but pretty sure that is about to change.

Don't see myself picking up an XB1 any time soon.

Have my 360, 3DS, PSP, & PC for now.

Prob get Wii U, PS4 in 2014.

I do really like Spark & Forza though.
J-R  +   393d ago | Well said
A $100 difference would not sway my decision on a console I will be using for the next 6+ years. However I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who's decision will be made because of that price difference.

If the PS4 was $100 more then the XB1 my decision would still be the PS4 just because the PS3 was able to provide me with a catalog of exclusives that I preferred over what the 360 offered.
JokesOnYou  +   393d ago
J-R well said, I feel the same way about X1. Yes for us, early adopters price is of little concern but no doubt for many its the most important factor, but I do think longterm its going to be more of a value proposition because there are many more expensive products that sell better than a cheaper competitor simply because consumers do often gravitate to products they see value in or popularity...of course that value has to be proven, so we'll see.
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The_Con-Sept  +   392d ago
If these so called features are Tv related... Then I don't want to hear it. PlayStation 4. 11.15.2013
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MazzingerZ  +   392d ago
Yeah, the paywall
I wonder if the European "bundled" FIFA 14 which actually is only digital requires XBLG to be downloaded?
sonarus  +   392d ago
I hate kinnect. I hate motion gaming in general. The only reason Xbox is more expensive is because of this useless peripheral i already have from 360. Sure they claim its going to be better and it will change the game but they made the same claims for original kinnect and its still a piece of shit. All these gimmicks aren't necessary. I honestly just want a console that allows me to play excellent games. A good 90% of motion games are crap at their core foundations. Why would i want to pay more to play crap games?

When microsoft releases a version without kinnect hopefully before titanfall comes out i will be the first to get that shit. Until then no thanks. I don't give a damn about voice commands siri already made me hate voice command features i would much rather use my very reliable buttons which works 100% of the time.
UnHoly_One  +   392d ago | Well said
If anyone had any doubts about the childishness of the Sony fanboys on this site, look above at the two consecutive posts by J-R and JokesOnYou.

Both essentially say "to me price doesn't matter, I want my console of choice".

The difference is that one of them is Pro PS4 and one is Pro XB1.

As of right now, the pro PS4 post has 28 agrees and 0 disagrees, because it was a nice fair non-fanboy statement, and even the Xbox fans approve of what he said.

JokesOnYou, however, with his pro XB1 post, has 7 agrees and 18 disagrees. Which means all the Sony trolls are just hitting disagree because he likes the Xbox.

It's sad and pathetic, and I'm sure I'll get downvoted all the way to hell for this post, but it needed to be pointed out.

Now, on the topic of the article, I'm definitely getting both consoles at launch. But at this point I don't see anything on the PS4 that I want to play until inFAMOUS comes out.

I've never cared for Killzone, Knack doesn't appeal to me, etc... All the multiplatform titles I play will be on Xbox, just because I like the controller better, and I like Xbox LIVE better than PSN.

It's going to be a repeat of last gen for me. I'll play games on PS4 that I can't get anywhere else, and that's it. Everything else will be on XB1.

Much like his quote in the article, I believe that Xbox offers a better package. More features, better online service, better games. That's just my opinion of course.
The_Con-Sept  +   392d ago
@ unholy one: what is sad is your interest in the subject. Instead of compassion you garner hatred. What you don't understand is that PlayStation fans have endured defeat all last gen. We feared through the defeat. But it looks like the Xbox fanboys have let their fear control them. PlayStation 4 is almost here and yet fanboys and key pr reps alike have done nothing but complain about "unfairness." Guess what? This is a pro PS4 comment that will get more disagrees than agrees simply because it targets the weakling xbot fanbase. Watch.
UnHoly_One  +   392d ago | Well said
Fear?

Defeat?

See this is what I don't get about the whole console wars argument. I don't "fear" anything, and no matter what happens, I won't "suffer defeat".

I don't care which console sells more. I'm buying them both. I'll use my Xbox 100 times more, but I couldn't give two craps about sales figures.

Here is how I look at it. Xbox One is in no way going to fail so bad that MS decides to just quit. Even if they are outsold 5 to 1, all that is going to do is have them try harder to make up for it.

Maybe we'll start seeing new features and better deals to get people on their side, or maybe next gen they will release a better console to try harder to make up lost ground.

I just don't see any option where I as a gamer can "suffer defeat" in this scenario. I'm not a stockholder at MS, I don't have a personal stake in this fight.

There are two competing products, I like both of them enough to buy them, end of story. Just because I use one more than the other doesn't mean I would gloat over a victory, or cry over a defeat.

Honestly, if sales numbers weren't plastered all over game sites, I wouldn't know who was "winning", because I would never go looking for them myself.

No real "Gamer" has "suffered defeat" since the days of the Atari 2600.

Just my 2 cents.
dlocsta  +   392d ago
I love Sony fanboys because you are so poorly educated. Let me give you a quick rundown on how I get Xbox Live for free. I use Bing as my search engine. I get points for using Bing. I use my Bing points to get free monthly cards for Xbox live. I pay nothing and play all MS games online for free because of services MS provides to me. Can you say anything like that about PS+? I am not saying it is not a good service, I think its great, but stop hating just to hate. If you don't like the comp, cool, that's your opinion. Just don't be an ass and think everyone or anyone for that matter gives a damn about YOUR opinion. Haha. Just funny!
The_Con-Sept  +   392d ago
@ unholy one: I referred to the xbot fanbase in general. What the same "crap" spewed from them about the PS3 is basically the same bs that we are now spewing on the new Microsoft console. And when these fanboys get a taste of their own medicine...... They complain. It really shines the light on who are the biggest cry babies in the console wars.

@ the bing user: I have a PlayStation credit card that generates points based on my PlayStation network purchases which translates to 100x points per dollar spent towards said purchases. Because I buy so many indie games and even major digital titles online now I get more than just ps+ for free. I also get peripherals for free.
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BlueBlood17  +   392d ago
@UnHoly_One

Have you held both of the new controllers?

Have you tried out the new Online Networks on both?

The reason the clown got so many downvotes is because trolls, even when taking a break, get downvoted anyway.

No one cares which system you are getting, just don't spout utter nonsense.
UnHoly_One  +   392d ago
BlueBlood, no I haven't tried the new controllers or the new online service.

The controllers I don't need to hold to know which one I will like better because Sony is still putting the left stick in the wrong place. So that's a no brainer for me.

As for the online service, I'm kind of going on two different things, there. One being the fact that XBL blows PSN out of the water right now, so I'm just assuming it will stay in the lead.

The other thing being that all of my friends are XBL players and plan to stay that way, so buying multiplatform games on PS would just be intentionally taking away the option to play with my friends.
KingMe42  +   392d ago
Around half of those features are US only and a few select countries. If your American great for you! Xbone might be better. For the rest of the world? Not so much.
nukeitall  +   392d ago
You can cry and moan about that $100 all you want, but when that online game you are playing on P2P is lagging out, you wished you had dedicated servers like the Xbox One does.

That is 300,000 servers. MS ranks in the top 3 for number of servers in the world at over a million.

“I claim there really are almost no companies in the world, just a handful, that are really investing in scaled public cloud infrastructure,” said Ballmer (see transcript ). “We have something over a million servers in our data center infrastructure. Google is bigger than we are. Amazon is a little bit smaller. You get Yahoo! and Facebook, and then everybody else is 100,000 units probably or less. So the number of companies that really understand the network topology, the data center construction, the server requirements to build this public cloud infrastructure is very, very small.”

http://www.datacenterknowle...
ChrisW  +   392d ago
So the PS4 is $100 cheaper... and you get what you pay for.
MysticStrummer  +   393d ago
"I think people who love XBox are not all going to jump ship. More so now that MS has gone back on all their restrictions. We see the X1 pre-orders in games starting to go up (COD). So their ship is not sunk. It was just drifting for a long time."

Agreed. The main sticking point now for many people is Kinect. Most people didn't want a camera on 360 or PS3, but now One is more expensive because the camera is included. We'll see how much that impacts sales.
denawayne  +   393d ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you're not a diehard for either company, yes, the PS4 will look attractive because of the price but that will be the only reason (for a casual). It won't be because of the hardware performance (the only real thing the PS4 has going for it. The Xbox One will sell systems to the casual (the majority of consumers) by word of mouth. I know you diehards don't care too much for Kinect, Skype, snapping, and other non hardcore gaming features but when a casual walks into a friend's house and experiences those things, it's game on for MS. I'm excited for those casual features as well as DD where you can switch between games without getting up to change the disc.

You can disagree with me all you want but if you're any way into technology, you have to admit the Xbox One has some cool stuff that it can do. Ok, now here comes the "PS4 can do everything the Xbox One can do". To that I say No, No it can't.
MysticStrummer  +   393d ago
@denawayne - Casuals won't be buying at $499, and yes... the PS Eye can do most of what Kinect can do.

The thing is, as I know you read in my comment but completely ignored in your answer, most people didn't want a camera on either console this generation. Are they going to pay more for something they don't want?
SilentGuard  +   393d ago
I love/loved Xbox since 2001, but MS and the One has pushed me away, even with it's reversals. A $350 sku without Kinect might bring me back, but MS better hurry before I fall into Sony's arms.
denawayne  +   393d ago
I never said that anyone has wanted or is going to want a camera. All I am saying is that the Xbox One experience is what is going to sell the Xbox One. I know it's hard to believe, especially for hardcore gamers, which this site is the majority of. I'm trying to say that if some casual family member or friend walks into a house and experiences the PS4, they'll mostly experience games and not much else. Not because the PS4 doesn't do other things. It's just not a seamless experience going through all the features. But if they walk into a house with Xbox One, the first thing that will impress is when the owner turns everything on by voice. Then the owner tunes into TV only to snap the internet on the side (all by voice). Then they turn on a video game for a while only to snap the football game on side to see what the score is. Then a Skype call comes in from a friend so they snap to that (all while the video game is still on, probably paused for Skype). Then the owner is done with Skype and decides to play a different game. He doesn't need to get up to change the disc. He switches to a 2 player game like football. He asks his brother to come in and play. The brother walks in and Kinect recognizes him and signs him in before he grabs a controller.

Think the casual guest is impressed yet? If you say no and hit disagree, you're either not into cool tech or are so against MS that you won't admit it's cool no matter what.

I can care less if nobody else wants this experience. I know I do and that's all that matters.
cfir  +   393d ago
@Denawayne
I think since they removed the digital drm you still need to swap the disk to pay on xb1. Unless it's a digital download of course.
BallsEye  +   392d ago
To everyone thinking kinect is an unneeded gimmick you should see what guys at project spark did with it. You can mo-cap characters there using kinect. Record your own full body animations, facial expressions and voice (and then change the voice for exmaple on troll voice), put it into the game and share it. Now that is awesome. Check out their youtube channel.
moparful99  +   392d ago
@Denawayne Did you not watch Sony's Gamescom presentation? If you had you would have known that the launching a game without putting a disc in was fully demonstrated on stage.. it was flawless, seamless, and loaded in seconds... Secondly Sony confirmed facial recognition/profile sign in and voice controls with the PS Eye.. There is literally almost nothing ONE can do that PS4 cannot..
denawayne  +   392d ago
@moparful99 - Snapping, Skype, Cloud, Voice and facial recognition out of the box?

Look, I'm talking about tech that the Xbox One will do seamlessly from the moment you set it up. I have no doubt the PS4 will be awesome and do some of the stuff Xbox One will do. I just think most people who get the PS4 will mostly play games on it and ignore the other features because they're not built in with ease of access in mind. Hell, I ignore most features on my 360 because of that reason.
GoldenBoy  +   392d ago
Agreed....price will be a huge difference. The Value Proposition argument did not work for Sony last gen and it won't work for Microsoft this gen.
Kingnichendrix  +   392d ago
Skype is on the psp, vita and will be on the ps4
moparful99  +   391d ago
@Denawayne Skype? check. Cloud? check. Voice and facial recognition? check. If you honestly want me and others to believe the average Joe schmo is going to go gaga over snapping and rush out to buy an X1 for $100 more then you are kidding yourself.. Kinect won't cause a stampede either, the original Kinect was nothing like it was advertised to be (yes I have one and I never use it, big waste of money)Kinect 2.0 so far only looks marginally better.

It's obvious that you are just simply awestruck by the features of the One but someone like me that has been gaming for 25 years all of that fluff is silly, if it's not something that dramatically increases my enjoyment of games then its superfluous to me and unnecessary..

I loved the PS3 because of Blu-ray and Sony's first party. PS4 looks to fix the issues that the PS3 had so that's what I am getting.. We can sit here and debate the features all day but you and I both know that what sells consoles is games and Sony's first party is better than Microsoft's..

Speaking of things it will do out of the box, since you are a xbox fan please don't tell me you were an early adopter of the 360 because it lacked a lot of the features that are now standard out of the box like built in wifi, Hdmi port, hd dvd or blu ray, full 7.1 dolby surround, upgradeable hard drives(still don't have) etc.. But let me guess it was all about the games huh?
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denawayne  +   389d ago
@moparful99 - All the features you claim PS4 can do ,"check", not one of them is a part of the PS4 out of the box and I doubt they will be as seamless as Xbox One in doing them. How come most cell phones nowadays can do the same things but some sell better than others? It usually comes down to ease of use.
StoutBEER  +   393d ago
Do not click on these. They are meant as flamebait for PS4/ Xbox fans, so the so called news site can get hits.
shinrock  +   392d ago
and it's working.
YNWA96  +   393d ago
Zblacktt, that was a breath of fresh air.... Well said... 1up...
ZBlacktt  +   393d ago
I own both consoles. I've always been a gamer at the end if the day. I just want to see gamers taken care of first.
dumahim  +   393d ago
"more complete value proposition"

I don't even think these words make a bit of sense. It's sounding like PR BS to me.
Thisisjuju  +   392d ago
If it was a more complete value proposition they wouldn't have to bundle in free games to raise pre-order numbers.
scott182  +   393d ago
The PS4 had pre orders for like $460 a couple days ago, it shot to no. 1 again and it sold out in hours.... Very good selling machine.
erathaol  +   393d ago
"We're not screwing over people who don't need a Kinect, we're offering a complete value for $100 more." - Microsoft
Mounce  +   393d ago
No worries, I came here just to laugh loudly about the title. Xbox reps are fucking full of it, rofl.
stuna1  +   393d ago
Microsoft is pretty much reduced to begging people to buy the Xbox 1, if people can't see it with the slew of articles popping up. Thing are looking kind of shaky regardless of how you view it! I truly wish the people who support Microsoft and the Xbox 1 the best of luck, and I am seriously praying they don't have a repeat performance of the infamous RROD fiasco.
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   392d ago
For their sake,I hope they don't either.It would be damn near impossible for microsoft to come back from another RROD debacle. With all these 180's and then that happening again,their rep would be shot to pieces.
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n4rc  +   393d ago
Millions? How the hell did that become plural?

anyways... I don't see how $100 or a gold sub is making any real difference... Its one game over 8-10 years...

And sure.. People are buying a brand new console to watch Netflix or DVR their single player game to share with.... Oh ya.. Nobody!

Lol... Its a weak argument... Funny how the pay wall never came up until sony started charging for multiplayer.. Then everyone had to find sone excuse why its ok for them to pay a sub.. But not us, were being screwed..

Kids are like a broke record around here.. Just copy and paste the same tired complaints
rainslacker  +   393d ago
$100 isn't going to make a difference to the diehard fan. To the moderate gamer that just wants to play games, it might, but they will likely go where their friends go, and it's safe to assume that most people would prefer to pay less if they can. This is particularly true for popular multi-plat players.

I also don't believe the gold sub is going to make a difference, at least not for anyone that currently owns a 360.

And no, people don't buy these devices to watch Netflix or DVR their games, but if they are interested in those features, then having them behind a pay wall that some may not want to pay can deter them from purchasing it when the competition offers the same thing without the pay wall.

This article is about "value proposition", and it's pretty easy to see that the less expensive console, that does not have a recurring fee to get at all of the systems value, is a better value proposition for those interested in those things.

As a all-in-one device, the Xbox falls short for the sole reason of everything is behind a pay wall. The all-in-one mantra is there to mostly attract the casual to moderate gamer who wants convenience. However, when that convenience is more expensive, many people will take the cheaper option, particularly if they are comparable.

Also, dunno where you've been these past few years, but the whole "MS puts all it's features behind a paywall" argument has been going on here for quite some time. It's really the same argument as used before, it's just modified now to include Sony, saying that Sony has value behind it's subscription, whereas MS value is less due to those features being free everywhere else...including sub $100 blu-ray players.
n4rc  +   392d ago
Bub for intelligent... I don't agree with all of it but well said..

As I have said.. Gold is not an issue now, and it becomes even less of an issue next gen... Ps+ will be the same..

But most features go hand in hand with online gaming i believe.. You have no use for them if you dont play online... And cant imagine offline gamers running out to buy a next gen system anyways..

Id hate to sound like a prick... But its like $5 a month! Lol.. Ive never even questioned it.. I understand what Live must cost to operate and for what we get, its one hell of a deal imo.. And its gotten 10x better and staying the same price (for now to be fair here)

And I can't say about what has gone on here.. I'm new to this site.. But I've never heard it elsewhere to be honest.. It was always about paying for online and ps3 owners didn't..
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mr.selfdestruct  +   392d ago
@ n4rc

The reason people dont complain about Sony subscription is its a better value 100%. You're not simply paying for the privlidge of multiplayer you also get a kicking catalog of FREE GAMES!!!. MiicoSoft tries to fool you that is worth it with Facebook,Netflix,Party Chat, but in the end your paying to play your games online. So no I'm not mad because the value is there. Ohh and BTW all that other stuff is still usuable on PS4 even if your not a Plus member. So I choose to support a company that is pro games not pro lemme steal your monies.
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stuna1  +   390d ago
@na4c

Where you been at all these years? People have always complained about Xbox Live paywall Playstation and Xbox fans alike.
Flames76  +   393d ago
PS4 selling millions of pre orders?The PS4 has done 600,000 pre orders.The Xbox One has done 350,000.The only difference between the two is sony has done confirmed that the PS4 will sell at a loss for the first couple of years.Then you have the Xbox One that will be making profit off of each console sold from day one.The PS3 lost over 5 billion this gen and now the PS4.Yea not looking good for sony
The_Sneauxman  +   392d ago
Wrong, at Gamescom it was shared that Sony had over a million pre-orders. OVER A MILLION!
dj3boud  +   392d ago
where do you get your information from (preorders, profit margin)? trolls are gonna troll i guess.
finbars75  +   392d ago
Its actually up to over 2 million and Xboxone still doesnt have 1million yet.This is what happens when a company doesnt keep there customers informed about anything regarding the Xboxone unless its changes and changing of the guard in there company by there top dogs leaving or retiring.
HammadTheBeast  +   392d ago
PS4 is making a profit on every console, XbO is either breaking even or making a slight profit.

Lata nerd.
BallsEye  +   392d ago
Dont really get you guys. I live in a country where you earn much less than in US. I have a family to feed and yet 100 extra bucks for a system that I'll be using for next 8 years is nothing for me.
DonFreezer  +   392d ago
What I like about Microsoft is that they use well constracted bussiness manners and not ps fantroll wordage that the Sony pr chaps do.
Less power for more money and a stupid web cam that will be used as a mic??
BlackTar187  +   392d ago
Unholy,

What is with the sad victim nonsense. Why do the xbox only crowd have to always play the Poor us card. Its getting old. Instead of putting anything helpful into a conversation you all just complain about being unfairly outnumbered and poor me nonsense. Man its so pathetic and annoying.

You can't just accept that one console has a bigger fan base as of right now and worldwide. It like xbox only people are being repressed and banned but its just not true. Stop playing the victim nonsense grow a pair and man up. Speak your mind about the topics at hand and not about being boooohooooohoooo outnumbered and whawhawhawha.

The thing i find funny is how history has a way of repeating itself and the tables turned this time and the pro xbox fans are all on board like RYSE QTE. This site was never ending Heavy rain hate for QTE's and GOW. Xbox fans touted indie games but now that they arn't as big on xbox they are now stupid(not as cool) the F2P games are bad now.

Anyways i will own both i don't think i agree with xbox providing more value becasue the value i see is less gamer related and im a full gamer. That said xbox will be in my house just like every system is for the last 20+ yrs and i will play it and enjoy it. I will play and enjoy every system as long as the games are fun and i have little doubt Xbox PS or Wii will fail to provide that experience + PC.

not a handheld gamer since it kills my neck to play those but loved when i could play gameboys etc thru my tv with a controller.
Chevalier  +   392d ago
A lot of my customers have switched and taken friends with them. My store has 276 ps4 preorders and we got capped at 40 xbox ones. Even if I did have xbox one units we would need weeks to move a dozen units.
xtremeimport  +   392d ago
I gave up this argument back with the Ps3 when I tried to justify all of its features for the price. I still believe the Ps3 was an extremely good value for the money. Xbox fans didn't allow that argument to stick, So i will not allow it for the XboxOne. Especially considering its charging you for an accessory that not everyone even wants in their house.
TheFamous1  +   392d ago
I'll most likely be getting a PS4, but I do like Xbox (the controller and some exclusives).. although I really do not give a shit about Kinect and I will not pay extra for one - so I probably wont be getting an Xbox this next generation.
Playstaion  +   392d ago
22nd Of November launch date heard it YouTube just now .
showtimefolks  +   392d ago
its his opinion and he works for MS, we will see which console is worth what, early on both will sell well. Its not a race, its a marathon
majiebeast  +   393d ago
"The Kinect is a huge piece of differentiation, and the fact that we do entertainment and gaming.”

You dont even have any software that shows it off because Kinect rivals got delayed till 2014. Its basicly a paperweight in most countries you launch in.
theWB27  +   393d ago
That baseless statement of yours would be relevant if the Kinect were only a motion device.

Isn't the GGDDR456 rams paperweight since none of the games look a gen ahead as your camp likes to boast?
majiebeast  +   393d ago | Well said
Wahahahahahaha.

None of the games look a gen ahead... Wow that Microsoft koolaid really went to your head. Killzone SF and Infamous SS would like word with you, if you think a open world game like SS can be done on ps3/360 you went full retard.

The kinect is a paperweight for 8 of the 13 launch countries the voice recognition doesnt work and there is like no games to show off its capabilities. Fighter within works gesture based like Starwars kinect not motion based.
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Majin-vegeta  +   393d ago
You might want to get your eyes checked.If you dont think any games on PS4 look a gen ahead.KZ:SF destroys anything on the xbox 180 every other day :).
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   393d ago
On the topic of looking a gen ahead,

http://i.minus.com/ieMF3148...
http://i.minus.com/ibkLh2II...
http://i.minus.com/ib2pFqqo...

vs

http://www.gifti.me/i/vfZEP...
http://i.minus.com/i4h6NHo9...
http://i.minus.com/iN3Rnq8P...

#Dealwithit

And considering Voice controls won't even work in half of the countries at launch (half being 6 of 13 LOL) Yes, kinect is a $100 paperweight.
corvusmd  +   393d ago
@DayZ your fanboyism is see through. You used direct feeds for the KZ gifs...some of which aren't even gameplay...then Ryse you used hand-held camera recorded gifs...if you're gonna try and talk smack at least make it fair. You may not like the kinect, that's fine, but it's not just a paperweight....and voice controls will be available in 8 of 13 at launch...the other 5 shortly after. Your arguments for why the Xbox sucks are kinda meaningless when it's apparent you don't know the facts, and purposely try to stack the deck
ape007  +   393d ago
@DayZ

sp vs mp, not fair vice city guy

look all nextgen games look amazing ryse, kz, driveclub, infamous etc, even cod has some amazing textures

it's a waste of time arguing which look better, they all look almost CG, more than enough imo

the era of gfx has ended imo, everyone can do great gfx, from indie devs (warfarme) to modders (gta 4 ENB mod)
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Silly gameAr  +   393d ago
Yeah, it's weird. I try not to get into these petty graphics arguments, but I haven't seen anything on X1 that looks as good as either Shadowfall or Second Son. That's just based on my opinion of course.
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SolidDuck  +   393d ago
Dude, hate on the ps4 if u want I don't care. But most intelligent gamers can tell the ps4 is going to be the system to get next gen. Just cause u loved your 360 doesn't mean u have to put up with the xbox one, its ok to switch over to ps4.
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tarbis  +   393d ago
@corvusmd
I don't see you present any facts regarding your argument. That's fine, since there really is none.
DigitalRaptor  +   393d ago
Reality check for theWB27.

A heavy dose of Killzone: Shadow Fall.

Followed by a touch of inFamous: Second Son.
ShowanW  +   393d ago
Both consoles will be awesome... But when the heck did Killzone become an awesome game?.. I've owned KZ 1&2 for the PS3 and neither of them are even better than Halo 2 from the OG Xbox.

Yes the new Killzone is pretty... But since when is KZ awesome???
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   393d ago
Of course i'm going to show the shitty gifs of Ryse.We're talking about next gen games here! I don't see any shitty gifs of KZ or Infamous, do you?

That's my point.One is a broken mess, the other two are coming to the next generation system.

Love how nobody dared to address the paperweight issue again either lol

At least you guys can acknowledge SOME things.
mxrider2199  +   393d ago
@showan first of all kz1 was on ps2.... and unless you had the fat ps3 and bought the games used from somewhere (unless its a psn dl ive never seen on the store since i wanted to play it since i never had a ps2) and halo 2 and kz2 are the best online mp experiences from the past 2 gens IMO
Hicken  +   393d ago
Voice functions won't be there in most countries at launch, WB.

What part of his statement is baseless?

Meanwhile, you take a weak-ass shot at the PS4 for no good reason, and just look foolish doing so.

With as much as you troll, misdirect and just flat-out lie, how is it you've got 6 bubbles on this supposed Sony site?
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theWB27  +   393d ago
@hicken
Majority of the time (95%) I speak a valid argument. But today i felt like taking things lightly.... have some fun ya know.

You seem mad i have 6 bubbles. ... wanna talk about it?
FlunkinMonkey  +   392d ago
@theWB27

"Majority of the time (95%) I speak a valid argument. But today i felt like taking things lightly.... have some fun ya know."

Not really, over the past few days i've seen you getting burnt so hard you've been reduced to ash while you only seem to be able to make stupid car analogies, with no actual argument. Ridiculous.
dmitrijs88  +   392d ago
u dont pay +100$ for gddr5
Hicken  +   392d ago
So rather than actually EXPLAIN how you think his comment is baseless... you do the usual thing.

I'm just gonna start marking you as trolling with every comment, cuz it's clear you only make comments to rile people up. 95% of the time, your arguments are hollow, not valid. There's no substance, no fact, only your opinion supported by nothing of substance.

Which is why you rarely explain yourself, but instead deflect. And when somebody calls you out, you talk about how "valid" your argument is, rather than actually validating it. Sorta like Microsoft saying they need to be more clear, without actually clarifying.

It's actually pretty pitiful.
theWB27  +   392d ago
@Hicken
"So rather than actually EXPLAIN how you think his comment is baseless... you do the usual thing.

I'm just gonna start marking you as trolling with every comment, cuz it's clear you only make comments to rile people up. 95% of the time, your arguments are hollow, not valid. There's no substance, no fact, only your opinion supported by nothing of substance.

Which is why you rarely explain yourself, but instead deflect. And when somebody calls you out, you talk about how "valid" your argument is, rather than actually validating it. Sorta like Microsoft saying they need to be more clear, without actually clarifying.

It's actually pretty pitiful."

I honestly don't care what you do. You just sound like some ridiculously sour grapes. Mark me as trolling on every comment...my day will go on.

"It's a part of human nature, something that's existed for as long as we've paid attention to such things, and even before that.

We support the things we like, fervently. And if there's a group that supports something that rivals that thing we like, there's conflict.

For some odd reason, though, it's only bad if it's video games. Everything else is cool, but you can't be a dedicated fan of anything in gaming."

That's another one of your own quotes...seems odd you'd be so adamant about my bubbles and what I post.

Word of advice- take a chill pill, realize this is only a internet gaming forum let your day be better regardless of what I choose to post and the bubbles I get from it.
Shadonic  +   393d ago
There is that fighter within game and then there's the added kinect features but yea its not really showing anything. I'm hopeing that they oppen up the flood gates to modders with the kinect so they can add in features.

Considering a lot of what was missing on the consoles kinect were out on the PC.
corvusmd  +   393d ago
Fighter Within, Just dance and Zumba fitness are available at launch (I personally have no desire for the last two)and secondary features in other games will be available at launch (this the part of the Kinect that is more impressive to me, not dedicated games, but more extra things you can do with it). D4, Rivals, and Project Spark will all heavily rely on Kinect and will be in the launch window. So saying that it has no use is actually wrong. You may not care for it, but it's still there.
majiebeast  +   393d ago
Yeah but atleast Fighter within is gesture based like Star wars kinect, so its nothing Kinect for 360 cant do. There are no games that show it off in anyway, the game that was supposed to do that was Rivals but its out in 2014.

@Thetruth

Have you seen that game if that showcases kinect 2.0 then the thing is doa from the start.
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thetruthx1  +   393d ago
@Majiebeast Fighter Within is a fully implemented Kinect Xbox One launch title so their you go

And wait till the truth comes out about the Ps4's GpGpu you guys think it's great at everything and it's quite comical.

I bet Cerny didn't tell his fanbase that it's only good at graphics and terrible at CPU calculations. It'll have to do the workload with very less CPU processing than the Xbox One

The units have stalls and will need a lot of optimization for the buses
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IRetrouk  +   392d ago
Both consoles have the same cpu, where you get that the cpu in the one is better?
theWB27  +   393d ago
@majiebeast
If you really think I was talking a gen ahead of PS360 and not the X1...then there's really no need to further comment with you.

@Majin-Vegeta
Really, the PS4 games look a gen ahead of X1 already. Lol you guys bring a smile.

@Dayz
http://i.minus.com/i5zSvQsD...

http://i.minus.com/ibznduiI...

http://i.minus.com/iblUZEtx...

http://i.minus.com/ibxdXX6o...

http://i.minus.com/ibgjU7h9...

http://i.minus.com/i2FguBrr...

http://i.minus.com/ibwuvs9G...

I like my gifs, true representation, better DayZ. But thanks for trying guys...really I enjoy it.
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riceking  +   393d ago
the glass look like paper cardboard....
SolidDuck  +   393d ago
Your argument is Ryse? Ill give u the fact that it looks pretty, but have u seen it in action. It has the same mechanics and animation that die hard arcade on sega Saturn had. Infamous SS for example, not only looks just as good if not better, but has silky smooth animations to go with it.
Clarence  +   393d ago
Sorry doesn't look that great
Xsilver  +   393d ago
notice all the gifs he showed were either in QTE state and when he fights its just dumb AI eating all the hits sad really since u cant even get a sense of difficulty in this game. and knack has even been shown to have a better sense of difficulty than ryse which is just a cake walk.
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dmitrijs88  +   392d ago
how much is MS paying to you for defending them? or you are just so blind by yourself?
GiantEnemyCrab  +   392d ago
Played both and Ryse looks gorgeous and plays just great as does KZ. But neither came out above the other. At least Ryse isn't the standard FPS gameplay. I literally could not tell that I was playing KZ3 when compared to KZ2.

They did not have Second Son playable but sat in on a theater presentation and the game looks HOT. Minus the emo lead character who is just annoying. I'm hoping you can replace him with the original Cole but probably not.
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Majin-vegeta  +   393d ago
Said no one ever...
DigitalRaptor  +   393d ago
I understand it is their job to sell this thing, but, no...
theWB27  +   393d ago
The X1 sounds like an awesome machine. Can't wait to get it.
Xsilver  +   393d ago
can it stand vertically? i mean a amazing piece of hardware showed be able to handle what ever is thrown at it right. like the 360 if u moved it while a disk was inside prepare to see a beautiful Circle on ur disk because Microsoft didn't take the time to put a protective buffer, yeah im pretty sure that the xone box is far from amazing.
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The-Law  +   392d ago
@theWB27 You gotta be kidding me!
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dmitrijs88  +   392d ago
yes sounds, but thats just an empty sound.
CocoWolfie  +   393d ago
after all theyve done, theyre business model actually disgusts me even if they do offer more value, i would not recommend theyre product to anyone :/
ape007  +   393d ago
well the truth is that xbox one have nextgen gfx like ps4 and nextgen online gameplay with cloud dedicated servers that ps4 is lacking on a grand scale

so xbox one is more complete than ps4, simple

in the end both systems will be great
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majiebeast  +   393d ago
I dont think you even have a slight clue what the definition of truth/fact is.

Watch this
http://pbskids.org/arthur/g...
ape007  +   393d ago
hhhhhhhh so funny....

how ironic
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stuna1  +   390d ago
@majiebeast

How the hell I miss this is beyond me, but you had me laughing so hard I was literally in tears! Now my sides are hurting.

Bubble up for funny as hell!
AceBlazer13  +   393d ago
So tell me my good sir what are you basing this claim off of other than he said she said.I have been gaming on PlayStation a good bit an never have I seen any difference in online gaming.Might I add that PlayStation ha been doing dedicated servers since this gen right?Little life tip just cause you pay for something doesn't make it better.
ape007  +   393d ago
"Little life tip just cause you pay for something doesn't make it better"

i think some people here love sony to the point of being blind

look CoD ghosts will play better on X1, Forza 5 uses cloud AI, dice and volition see big potential in it

i respect your love for sony, i love sony too and getting a ps4 but facts are facts, if ps4 have better looking multiplats, then ps4 will be my MAIN system
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solidjun5  +   392d ago
"look CoD ghosts will play better on X1,..."

Besides being a fanboy, how?

"Forza 5 uses cloud AI,..."

Yea, okay. I guess that's what makes the X1 more "complete." You really on a MS kookaid trip man.

Facts are facts ape, you're just a MS fanboy. I respect your love for MS, but you're a fanboy.
Clarence  +   393d ago
Keep telling yourself that.
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Godz Kastro  +   393d ago
I Agree.
Megaton  +   393d ago
You guys should be thanking us for only charging $500. If anything, we're over-delivering in value. These 5 million transistors don't come cheap.
yellowgerbil  +   393d ago
No you don't, and you're not convincing anyone.
Now that we know that the ps camera has voice commands, that sony is going to be an internet tv provider and you get both driveclub and resogun free. There is nothing that looks better on the X1
bcrazy18  +   393d ago
I find it funny how everyone is bragging about getting Driveclub for free when the free version offered won't come with all of the cars or tracks. Damn shameful if you tell me. PS fanboys please stop before you embarrass yourselves even more. Nobody knows the official specs for both consoles, so nobody knows which console is better. If the dual gpu for the xbox one is true, then that will clearly make the xbox one the stronger console...

Yeah I know, why don't the games look like the console supports such hardware, why isn't Microsoft bragging about it, yada yada yada... Have you stopped to think about it. They won't be about to talk about it until later this month. What if they told all the developers to not talk about it and not to implement it into their games until later this month once it's revealed? or at least not implement it with any demos or pics, etc until it's announced. That rumor could very well be true, so everyone should just shut up and wait because all this back and forth is just childish since no facts are presented yet.
yellowgerbil  +   392d ago
lol sir. all the facts are there. If you wish to believe unfounded rumor go right ahead, but don't put too much stock in it.
As for driveclub. I could care less if a few tracks and cars aren't present. I don't care about racing games at all. Am just glad I get stuff for free at launch to give me options. Anyways am far more interested in resogun.
You don't need to be so hurt and defensive. If you truly believe in the worth of your console then there is nothing we say to make your faith falter, so no need to defend it like a religion.
IRetrouk  +   392d ago
Still clinging to bull, there is no dgpu, stop hoping for it cause its not gonna happen, all so free version of drive club with a few missing cars and tracks vs free killer instinct with one fighter. Hmmm whos getting the better deal?.
bcrazy18  +   392d ago
I'm far from being hurt. I was just making a point that you won't be given a full game and in order to get the extra content, you might have to pay extra. I haven't decided which console I'm getting. I was just making my own point to the matter at hand. I'm not saying I believe any rumor... I did say it was rumor and if true so on and so forth. If it's not true, then no big deal.
PS4isKing_82  +   393d ago
How is it more "complete" if it's not launching in as many countries as planned and voice support got delayed but ps4 is moving right along on schedule with no problems? :)
clearelite  +   393d ago
"We have a more complete value proposition than our competitors"

HAHAHAHAHAHHAH

Also....

I find it funny that he used the term "proposition" and stated his opinion as fact all in the same sentence.

This is almost as good as a Pachter article.
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thegreatklemba  +   392d ago
hey (the man) i know you will be first in line for the xbone and all its value lol.so dont lie j/k from big bob lol finally got realize and see one of your comments
clearelite  +   392d ago
Please, I already saw you over in the Kinektimals forum talking about how cool it was on your new account. Glad you're finally apart of the prestigious, n4g academy.
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GiantEnemyCrab  +   392d ago
He is a marketing guy and it's his job! But value is a completely subjective term.
josephayal  +   393d ago
Congrats to Microsoft, good Job
GentlemenRUs  +   393d ago
I just split my sides xD

But again, Both consoles are great so why should there be any wars over it...

Although they could lower the price of the XBONE IMO...

Maybe in 2 years ill get one but for now I think ill stick to my PS4.
GreenRanger  +   393d ago
They act like Kinect is great, but the truth is they know that if they didn't force it on people with the Xbox One nobody would buy it.
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jairusmonillas  +   393d ago
Microsoft reassurance again?

Xbox One is weaker than PS4, the only reason its not cheaper despite being weaker cause they are including the NoBodyWouldUse Kinect 2.
stuff  +   393d ago
The extra HDMI and pass-through capability are part of the extra cost as well. Neither are features I want nor need as a gamer as I already have at least two devices in my living room which do so.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   392d ago
No, he is marketing guy doing his job. And you? You seem to feel compelled to post a comment in the article reassuring yourself of your PS4 purchase.
JunioRS101  +   393d ago
Shut up, silly goose. The world has already spoken.
AceBlazer13  +   393d ago
Useless over glorified console that thinks everything it's about is worth $60.00 a year whereas the competition does most of it better for free.If Microsoft expected to just enter this market and sell cause they're Microsoft well too bad.If you want that go sell smartphones,oh wait no one wants a Windows phone.Stick to operating systems Microsoft your actually good at that,not that it has much competition.
roboteye  +   393d ago
And those values are behind a paywall.
grimmweisse  +   392d ago
paywall you say, all this behind the paywall. Serious some of the things on list that site behind the paywall are absurd, 99% have no reason to be.

Online Multiplayer(PS4 too, before xbots get all defensive)

Party Chat
Video Chat
Matchmaking
SkyDrive/ Unlimited Cloud Storage
Skype
SmartMatch (improved version of matchmaking)
Game DVR – You have to pay Microsoft, so you can record footage of YOUR games & store it on the hard drive?
One Guide
Games With Gold – This is valid until Xbox One releases.
Amazon.com Instant Video
AOL On
AT&T Uverse
Avatar Kinect
BLIP.TV
C|Net
CinemaNOW
Comedy Central: Stand-Up
Crackle
Crunchyroll
Dailymotion
Disney
EPIX
ESPN
Facebook
Flixter
Fox Broadcast
Game Trailers
Gamespot TV
HBO GO
Hulu Plus
IGN
iHeartRadio
Internet Explorer
Karaoke
Last.fm
Machinima
Manga Entertainment
MAXIM – GIGGIDY GIGGIDY GOO!
MLB.tv
MSN with MSNBC
MTV
Mustang Customizer
Muzu.TV
NBA Game Time
NBC News
Neon Alley
NETFLIX
NFL
NHL Game Center
Nick
OneBeat
Paramount Movies
Pizza Hut – Yup, you need a Gold Subscription to order pizza. PREMIUM SERVICE.
PopcornFlix
Redbox Instant by Verizon
Revision3
Rhapsody
SkyGO
Slacker Radio
SnagFilms
Sony Pictures
Sports Picks
SyFy
Telemundo
TMZ
Toys “R” Us
Twitch.TV
Twitter
UFC On Xbox Live – You need a Gold subscription…to use ***Pay per View*** for UFC? You have to pay…to pay.
Uvideos
Verizon FIOS TV
Vevo
Vimeo
Vudu
WSJ Live
WWE
Xbox Music – Requires Xbox Music Pass, which is $100 A YEAR, but also requires GOLD to use on Xbox360? What?
Xbox Tournaments
Xfinity
Youtube

*credit to Gaminrealm for the list.
stuna1  +   390d ago
All hope of ever purchasing a Xbox 1 just flew out the window with that list! Microsoft ought to be ashamed of themselves even if that list is only partially accurate!
Misaka_x_Touma  +   393d ago
who cares! which ever system has the most japanese exclusive i flock to. Right now only Wii U offers that
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Sarobi  +   393d ago
Obviously the whole "who has what" in terms of value is completely subjective. If you like the Xbox brand, than yes, you will find that Xbox One has more "complete value".. vice versa if you prefer PlayStation. But in regards to the people who aren't leaning on either side and are just looking to buy a new gaming console.. it comes right down to the shelve price.

You can boast about specs, or what accessory comes bundled with the system all you want.. but at the end of the day it doesn't mean a whole lot to the mass casual market who is most likely buying the system to play mainstream third party games.

Now as for them "doing things not found on other platforms".. I don't see a huge gap of differences between these systems. They both PLAY GAMEES.. they both have accessories and they both do multimedia. So in the end I just don't see where Xbox One does something better than PS4 by a mile wide gap.
AceBlazer13  +   393d ago
Little question how many of you defending Kinect actually own the current one?
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jairusmonillas  +   393d ago
I bet they don't want it either they are just being forced to support it cause its mandatory with x1. lol
isarai  +   393d ago
Sorry but no
ziggurcat  +   393d ago
No they don't.
tarbis  +   393d ago
With the amount of flip-flops M$ is doing right now? If they have nothing more to flip, then I guess the only thing that's left for them.....
stuna1  +   390d ago
A big ole FLOP!

Is thetruthx1 and Funactic1, one and the same!? Your writing style are quite similar.
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tarbis  +   389d ago
Don't know who they are. Their trolling accounts are pretty new.
thetruthx1  +   393d ago
Mark my words Ryse will be the best launch exclusive in November

Well.... Either #1 or 2nd best depending on DR3
Hicken  +   393d ago
Your words are marked. Whenever they're read, a laugh track will be played.
Funantic1  +   393d ago
The X1 is a better gaming experience and $100 cheaper than the PS3 was. Plus a Kinect makes it worth it. Now the truth just needs to be unfolded on how powerful the X1 really is. MS is not allowing their full specs or release date out yet. But I got a feeling that they're going to surprise many people. I got to have one.
Misaka_x_Touma  +   393d ago
it not about power it about games.

Games will show the power.
illustratedDEO  +   393d ago
"With great power comes great responsibility", just thought I should add that seems fitting to say the least.
IRetrouk  +   392d ago
Funny in the uk the xbox one is actually 4 pounds dearer than what the ps3 was at launch, where is it 100 dollars cheaper?
Funantic1  +   392d ago
The PS3 was $600 at launch in the US. The X1 will be $500 in the US.
IRetrouk  +   392d ago
Ahhh right, was there not a 500 dollar ps3 at launch too?
EXVirtual  +   392d ago
'The X1 is a better gaming experience and $100 cheaper than the PS3 was.'
That's irrelevant. The PS3 and XB1 are a generation apart.
As for the XB1 having a better gaming experience, explain the initial reveal. Fair enough, they showed games at E3, but I can guarantee that in 2 years, the exclusives will drop massively, just like the 360. No, the Kinect does not make it worth it. If it wasn't included in the XB1, you would be singing a different song.

And about the power... stop damage controlling. There is no secret to be unfolded. Just wait and see the side by side comparisons.
jaelegend  +   393d ago
‘We have a more complete value proposition than our competitors’.........I'm getting tired of being talked to like a child. Complete(total)Value(worth)pro position(offer)..........Thats opinion MS that's not fact go shove crap up someone elses a**
Belking  +   393d ago
They definitely do. No question about it. It has great features.
luisvideogames  +   393d ago
M$ just totally owned Nintendo! Or were they talking about another competitor...?
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