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Submitted by karamsoul 472d ago | news

Xbox One and External Drives: Not Happening

SpawnFirst reports in about the Xbox One: external drives will not be supported, per Major Nelson/MS. (Major Nelson, Microsoft, Xbox One)

Update The story has been corrected to show that the external drive capability will not be available initially at launch, but will be introduced sometime after the Xbox One launches.

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Hatsune-Miku  +   472d ago
Xbox one : not happening
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   472d ago
Xbox Done.
Enemy  +   472d ago
Xbox -One
black0o  +   472d ago
it's so clear that SONY rushed MS with X1 .. i think MS weren't ready for 2013 release but they cant afford to gve SONY a head start
xHeavYx  +   472d ago
Xbox? None
XB1_PS4  +   472d ago | Well said
Ps4 doesn't support external hard drives for games, either.
http://n4g.com/news/1344588...
Eonjay  +   472d ago
I don't think its too terrible but it does give some cause for concern. Microsoft is the world leading software manufacture. Why don't they already have an Xbox One driver for external USB storage. Did they just start building the OS?

This is probably why we don't have a launch date.
tokugawa  +   472d ago
500GB is enough for a long while.
Deividas  +   472d ago
@sofresh412
Everyone knows that, but PS4 internal drive can be upgraded from day 1 to lets say a 2TB. While Xbox...cannot.
Which is exactly what Im doing, I already have a HDD im replacing my PS4 with on November 15.

And I dont think anyone really cares that much about this personally, its just ALL the things that you cant do as soon as you get your xbox is piling up and up, eventually will, but clearly see they are rushing the hell out of this product to get it out there.
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   472d ago | Intelligent
I rarely comment on XBox One articles, but here's something I noticed.

The minute people start talking about low preorder numbers for Xbox One games and stuff, the XBox crowd conveniently start talking about about how all of their family and friends aren't preordering retail copies, but are going to download it straight onto their hard drive, hence low preorders on retail copies.

Now the conversation is again conveniently being switched to suit their argument once more. Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is that you can't have "both ways" with "XBox One" (pun intended, see what I did there?)

If none of you guys are preordering the retail copies of games and are going to be downloading them, then that 500GB is going to be full by this time next year.

So you guys have to pick one, either admit that not enough people are preordering the launch games because of lack of interest. Or admit that 500GB is not enough.

Battlefield 4 potential 25GB
COD: Ghosts potential 15GB
Watch Dogs potential 50GB
Ryse potential 25GB
Forza 5 potential 50GB
DR3 potential 25GB
KI3 ?????
The Division Potential 25-50GB
AC IV Potential 50GB

That short list has the potential to eat up between 250-450GB of your hard drives, and thats before movies, and musice and stuff.

The Last of Us is 27 GB on the PS3 and that a current gen game. Battlefield 3 is 12 GBs, again, current Gen. Ghost Recon Future Soldiers is also 12 GBs and current gen.

I Imagine next gen games will be even larger in size and after about 15-20 of them, 500GB is done.
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pedrof93  +   472d ago
@sofresh

Actually yes. You just can't instal games on that thing. And it makes sense since games that are installed in external hard drives take more time to load than those that are installed on internal hardrives. If you are not happy with your internal hard drive size you can always switch to another, a feature that cannot be achieved in X1.
dboyc310  +   472d ago
Just throwing it out their the new ps4 dualshock bundle at amazon is already sold out :)
NatureOfLogic  +   472d ago
Ha, another after launch promise. Rushed console ftl.
EXVirtual  +   472d ago
Xbox-For your life you must run.
UltimateMaster  +   472d ago
Well, I've misled some people thinking that it was... better fix that.

Personally, I would see the PS4 as having the most people that would buy a digital version over a physical version for many reasons.

First, you can use remote play to play any PS4 games on your Vita and technically, you can only have 1 disc at a time. "Assuming no one's home to change the disc" Whereas the HDD can hold multiple games.

Second, you can upgrade your HDD on the PS4 to a 3TB, giving your far more space to enjoy your games.

Xbox One would be kind of in the middle of Digital/Physical copies of the games.

And the Wii U will have a stronger Physical Copy of Disc support given the fact they have a very low memory. Sure you can always use SD cards, but, really?
gaffyh  +   472d ago
I don't understand how MS is so behind. They launched a year earlier with the 360, so should have had more time compared to Sony to develop their next console. How can they be this behind???

This is a feature that is available on 360, I can't believe that they can't get such a simple thing working?!

I actually feel sorry for them, it's not a major issue, but it's like, give us some good news already!
Campy da Camper  +   472d ago
Shhhh...Xbox mum.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   472d ago
@Gaffyh.

(My opinion)

I think the reason why MS is so behind is because they were counting on Sony not releasing the PS4 until next year.

The way MS probably saw it, the PS3 had yet to hit the $200.00 price point, and had recently surpassed the 360 in total lifetime sales. So they assumed that Sony would not want to halt the PS3's momemtum and announce the PS4. Also, with the amount of AAA games that were to hit the PS3 (think back in January and February of this year, we were anticipating, GOW Ascension, TLoU, GTA5, GT6, Beyond 2 Souls, etc.), all signs pointed to that Sony would ride the PS3 for one more year.

Sony themselves acted like they would play into MS's hand with Kaz himself publically stating that: " we will not go before our competitor, etc " And then... http://i.minus.com/ibryYmcJ...

So yeaaaa, MS probably figured that they had more time. And now, just as most PlayStation fans claimed this entire gen, MS knows for sure that there is absolutely no way they can afford to give Sony and the PS4 a year or even 6 months headstart, which is why they have to move heaven and Earth to come out at around the same time at the very least. The one thing they probably miscalculated (which baffles me TBH) is that Sony has a track record of supporting multiple consoles at once. The PS2 for example, sold a third of its total number (50 million) after the PS3 hit the market. And if Sony continues to be Sony, they're predicting the PS3 to sell another 40-50 million units after the PS4 hit the market, hence why the PS4 is releasing this year, and the PS3 is $200.00 officially.

Again, my opinion.
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trafalger  +   472d ago
1. the ps4 does not allow games to be installed on external hard drives. wii u i don't know if games can be installed on them but they do support external hard drives? the xbone is not confirmed yet if games can be installed on it because at launch it will not support external hard drives

2. the xbone does not allow the internal hard drive to be replaced, it is locked to the system. the ps4 does allow the internal hard drive to be replaced. not sure about wii u

3. the xbone will allow unlimited cloud storage. essentially allowing you to store all digital content, including full digital games bought. i dont know how much storage they will allow on the ps4, right now on the ps3 it is only 1 gb. the wii u i dont know if they offer any cloud storage

my feeling is when m$ does allow external hard drives they will either only be approved by m$ or sold only through m$. meaning more costly than your average hard drive.
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gaffyh  +   472d ago
@Trafalgar - PS3 has 1gb of CLOUD SAVE storage. Actual game storage is unlimited, just like it is on the Xbox 360, because you can delete and download games multiple times. That is nothing new on the Xbone.
TrollCraftTales  +   472d ago
@Cupid_Viper_3

I think that is the case too, but if I were MS, I would still try and release the X1 this year to 1.get a head start and 2.put pressure on Sony to release a console NOW... So I would think that MS would at lease be a little ready, instead of taken completely off guard...
Ritsujun  +   472d ago
Xbone180 - More 180's Await
ABeastNamedTariq  +   472d ago
@traf

Did you just say that full digital games can be installed to the cloud? Did I misread that? If I didn't... Come on now.

Ex: MGS 4 was about 50 GB on PS3. MGS V will probably be just as big.

Do you honestly think you can install/have a FULL game on the cloud? A potentially 50GB game? I think you need to reevaluate your statement.

EDIT:

Gaffy's statement confuses me. Whaddya mean actual game storage is unlimited? Aren't these big, huge games we're talking about? If I'm wrong, I'll totally eat my hat.
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MrBeatdown  +   472d ago
@Cupid_Viper_3

Actually, according to IGN, Xbox One requires disc games to be fully installed.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

So the issue of game file sizes applies even to those with discs.

@trafalger

"3. the xbone will allow unlimited cloud storage. essentially allowing you to store all digital content, including full digital games bought."

Store all digital games in the cloud? Unless Microsoft is letting you play your game directly from the cloud storage, that's not exactly a "feature". It's just the ability to re-download your game from the store, like you can from any store that sells digital games. MS isn't going to waste money and space letting people upload massive game files to personal cloud storage for later access when they can just be re-downloaded from your download history.
trafalger  +   472d ago
my mistake about full games. yes it does make more sense that you will have to still download it to the system.
Maddens Raiders  +   472d ago
I've said it so many times now. I believe the X1 was rushed as a response to the early February reveal of the PS4 by Sony. MS has been in free fall reaction mode ever since it seems. Changing this reversing that, etc.

I will eventually pick one up but am staying as far away from launch models as possible.
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GuyManDude  +   472d ago
I'm seeing a couple of posts saying you can put a 2TB or 3TB hard drive into a PS4. While the hard drive is upgradeable, the hard drive has to be 9.5mm thick. Currently, the largest 9.5mm hard drive is 1.5TB (Travelstar 5K1500). Just thought I'd bring that up so that people who plan on buying a PS4 this year aren't trying to figure out which 2TB and 3TB drives fit. Obviously they will continue to get bigger over time, but for now 1.5TB is as big as they get (which is plenty big in my opinion).

Personally, I'm getting a PS4 day one (already have my pre-order at Best Buy) and upgrading the hard drive to either 1TB or 1.5TB. Haven't decided yet.
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potedude  +   472d ago
Xbox - shun.
Death  +   472d ago
This has been the way Microsoft has been since day one with the 360. Behind the times? No, just the way they protect their data. It is a security measure they use to fight piracy and duplicated data.

Less games preordered on the XBoxOne. If their are less Xbox One's pre-ordered, chances are there are less games pre-ordered too.

At one time the Vita was tearing up the pre-order charts. http://www.pocket-lint.com/... How'd that work out? Pre-orders are nice, but don't really mean much until they become actual sales. If those sales are not steady, they are meaningless.

p.s. Metal Gear filled a Blu-ray, but was only 9 gigs on the HDD for a full install or roughly the size of a DVD9, if it was trully on a 50 gig disc it had a lot of redundant data.
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strigoi814  +   472d ago
@sofresh

you have to understand that that article you post was about "games" cant be saved (not files, game saves, music, movies) to the external HD...but this one state external HD cant be used at all for XB1 for a while
glennco  +   472d ago
@Cupid_Viper_3

Pretty thorough trolling. Are you lost dude?

Every single xbox article is full of PS trolls. If you would take a step back for just a moment you would realise the people who want to read this article out of interest in the console don't give a shit about your opinion.

What is it with the SDF? Is it because the PS brand is such an image conscious brand and as such attracts image conscious consumers. The same consumers who think what brands you own dictate how cool you are. It is like the Xbox brand even existing is a threat to you somehow going by the hatred and passion with which people are trolling.

Why do you care? We do not care about you or your console of choice. Go away.
insomnium2  +   472d ago
@glennco

" It is like the Xbox brand even existing is a threat to you somehow"

Well yeah. Without Sony MS would've gone full force on all the DRM stuff they wanted. Mandatory online checkin, game installs (with no way to change the internal HDD no less), used game fee etc.

So yeah it's easy to say MS truly is a cancer in this industry. They already brought us timed DLC BS and pay to play online so it's not like they haven't already damaged the industry in a big way as it is.

And it's not like they don't want more control over you and squeeze you for every penny. Sony is the only one standing in the way of total nazi-like control of MS in the gaming industry. Everyone saw what MS tried/wants to do.

I hope the US pre-order numbers hold true and MS is in a SERIOUS asswhooping this gen. People need to tell MS that once you lose trust there is no way to bounce back like they try with all the 180s. XBone needs to die a painfull but quick death imo. MS you blew it, sorry.
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LonDonE  +   472d ago
@Death
no you are completely wrong, the MGS4 10gb install was the data install, not the whole game!
before the install was patched in along with trophy support, mgs4 would install a chunk of data before every chapter, which took time, and so konami patched it so that instead of installing the needed data before every level players had a choice to install all the required data in one go, and then just play the game, but this install is by no means all the game!

Its just essential data required for the game, and so installing it allows the ps3 to access it quicker! since the ps3 blue ray is just x2 speed! MGS4 uses a 50gb dual layer blue ray!

You must be crazy if you think they could cram the whole mgs4 game into a 10gb install!!
This is just essential data, the rest loads of the blue ray disk as you play!!
Its like with mass effect 2, their is a mandatory install, for essential data but the rest loads off the disk, actually near enough all ps3 games do this, they have a mandatory install which is essential data which the ps3 needs access to allot and fast, and then the non-essential data loads off the disk when needed! this is nothing new, but just because they have installs doesn't mean the total game size is the size of the install!! LOLOLOL
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gaffyh  +   472d ago
@ABeast - Basically, what the Xbone does that trafalgar is talking about, is it stores your games in the "cloud". All that means is that you can download and install the game whenever you want from XBL, same as you can do on PSN right now. It is NOT a streaming service like Gaikai or Onlive.

So all "unlimited cloud storage" means is that you can buy as many digital games as you want and download/delete them whenever. Although the save storage for Xbone I believe is actually unlimited, and that is the only new thing.
MWong  +   472d ago
Yea, a 500GB especially if you're going to only use digital downloads is not going to work. However, M$ will probably release a bigger proprietary HDD.

@ black0o
I didn't really want to believe it, but yea the XBone seems to be rushed.

@ sofresh412
The PS4 might not support external drives for games, but the thing is you can upgrade your PS4 HDD. You can also use an external HDD at launch, but the real catch is they haven't announced mandatory installs.
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jcnba28  +   472d ago
How can you troll about Xbox One here when PS4 won't allow games to be downloaded onto external harddrives either? Fanboy much?
ThanatosDMC  +   472d ago
@GuyManDude

Here's a couple of 2TB 2.5" HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Quick search from newegg.
W1ldWolf  +   471d ago
@ThanatosDMC

Those drives from Newegg are 15mm thick, I would be surprised if the PS4 would accept a drive that size. 9.5mm has been the industry standard for awhile now. I am not sure the specs of what is in the PS4 but I would not assume that a drive that big would fit imo...
clouds5  +   471d ago
So people are whining that XboxOne/PS4 doesn't support external drives and at the same time cry about wii U supporting them instead of internal drives?

What do you want? I personally prefer the Wii U way. If I only buy games on disc 32gb is enough for patches and virtual console games. If I want the eshop i just use an external drive that i already have or can get really cheap.
zeal0us  +   472d ago
Sucks because 500gb can get filled up fast with games, music and movies.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   472d ago
Yeah if your downloading games and movies every 1hr. No matter because there's another solution http://www.geeky-gadgets.co...
Studio-YaMi  +   472d ago
@AngeliclceDiamond
I'm sorry but saying "free&unlimited" while referring to a Microsoft application or feature is HARDLY believable.

I wouldn't get my hopes up,it will most probably cost something when it's released,you can quote me on that.
wishingW3L  +   472d ago
and it's not upgradable either!
Are_The_MaDNess  +   472d ago
@AngelicIceDiamond
you know thats how things work right now right? they already have all the games on the "cloud" only thing new is the game saves. new for MS atleast.

the hole unlimited cloud thing is just PR BS. you can get storage for your saves but each user wont use more than 1-2 GB of saves anyway (and thats like 500 saves or something)

achievements is already linked to the account so i really dont see what the hole PR thing with the cloud will be.

i mean taking load of the Machine onto the cloud? how much? prob just matchmaking and on the fly updates. unless they are going to stream things live. witch most people dont have the speed for.

the cloud my ass.

also, what if i want to download everything so i dont have the HDD writing all the time (it wears down the HDD (esp after a few years of reading aswell))
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CynicalKelly  +   472d ago
Don't worry, it's not available at launch but it will be eventually. There is no way you can fill 500gb by the time they fix this.
Are_The_MaDNess  +   472d ago
@CynicalKelly
want to bet?
if the Download Speed from the service is up to par with my ISP speed then i should be downloading over 10 MegaBytes a second, thats 36GB an hour...... will take less than 3 days if i have the content for it.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   472d ago
Its free for everyone http://www.ign.com/boards/t...

@Studio IGN has a point here.

"Pair this new option with the console’s 500GB hard drive and the average gamer should have more than enough storage space for most of the system’s lifespan."

@Madness Blah Blah typical fanboy "its fake", "Its BS" "not real" PR prank" whatever everything you say is garbage.

I don't listen to fanboys. I win this debate once again. I win you all lose. 500 gig is more than enough for the average person. Plus free unlimited cloud storage is a plus. So I win and all of you lose this argument.
Agent-86  +   472d ago
@AngelicIceDiamond

Wow, real mature there bud...."I win you all lose". What are you, like 12 years old? You don't listen to fanboys because you are one. However, I'm primarily a PC gamer (though I have a console as a sidekick) and can tell you 500gb can get filled pretty quickly with the size of games and movies these days. And please don't give me that "power of the cloud" crap. Games still need to be installed to a HDD and movies play better from the HDD than streaming from the cloud (better resolution and no stuttering).
Are_The_MaDNess  +   472d ago
lol at calling me a fanboy, do you really think you can upload anything you have on the HDD onto the cloud? no! you cant. as for games, they already have that on the service just like they have now. just now they do it will all the titles, or atleast we hope they do.
500GB is way too small with games like:
BF3 taking up 34.2GB with all the DLC
Batman Arkham City 16.8GB
Assassins Creed 3 17.6GB
Max Payne 3 30GB
GTA 4 with DLC over 25GB
GTA 5 18GB
Unchated 3 87GB
Infamous 2 15GB

this is just a few, and games isnt getting smaller with the higher res textures and the higher polly mesh counts either.
heck my Skyrim folder is over 60GB.

do you really think people wont fill it up? its using Blu-ray after all and you have to install everything.

500GB might be enough for the casual gamer that buy COD and Fifa every year and a few games here and there.

with such a large push towards digital sales and indie games all around it sad that we are limited to such a small space.
ABizzel1  +   472d ago
The only people who say a 500GB won't get filled up quickly are Xbox and Nintendo gamers. Any PC gamer has at least 2 HDD in their PC and an external handy, and PS3 gamers who have PS+ know that 500GB HDD can't hold all the games you download, and you're constantly deleting things to make room.

500GB is not enough, and any game looking to use PS+ in full and download plenty of games needs to upgrade to a 2TB HDD when the PS4 launches.
Kayant  +   472d ago
@AngelicIceDiamond

In the very same article it tells you what the space is for XBL content only meaning not personal files (Movies, Games) because they already have a service for that --> Skydrive.

Which means it's just for game saves and nothing more the rest are already on MS's servers or are stream from their servers.
TrollCraftTales  +   472d ago
@AngelicIceDiamond
You really think it is unlimited cloud storage? So lets say 100 mil XBOnes are sold, out of that 50 mil ONLY download online, so MS has enough server space to store constant downloads of anywhere from 10mbs to 100gbs from 50 mil people? I think not, unless they have a CRAZY amount of server space... even then it could get filled up by next gen... There HAS to be a catch with that...
kingPoS  +   472d ago
@ AngelicIceDiamond

I'm sorry but just don't understand why you can't replace the local HHD on the Xbox One. Wouldn't It be better if a swappable hard drive was a solution too?
ForgivenZombie  +   472d ago
You can change the hdd in the ps4, we just don't know how far you can upgrade
H0RSE  +   472d ago
@zeal0us

I owned an original xbox and have had 3 different 360's (none because of RROD)and I have never once stored a single movie or song on my HDD - that's what I have a PC for, and I'd wager many others do the same. I stream all my music from my PC to my 360, and I watch movies only on my PC. However, I could stream them as well If I chose.

To put 500gb into perspective, my current PC has a 500gb HDD, and between games (I have over a dozen installed), movies, applications, and the OS, I still have not filled it in over 6 years. Unless you are hording everything and never updating/cleaning out files, 500gb can last a lot longer than you think.

My console is for playing games and socializing with friends, and in that regard, 500gb will do fine, especially considering external drive capabilities being introduced later on.
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Mr1Y  +   472d ago
I thought they said they would support external harddrives later on, so it wasn't out of the question ? If they don't that sucks
jcnba28  +   472d ago
Yeah, sucks for PS4 gamers too.
allformats  +   472d ago
That console is drunk.
stuna1  +   472d ago | Intelligent
All Mocrosoft is doing right now is ensuring that the Xbox1 and it's owners have no choice but stay online! But of course no one can see it, sheesh.... It's so obvious Stevie Wonder can see it.

Key words being used, Cloud based gaming, Drivatars, Day one patches, Unlimited online storage, Half finished games that require online to make the games complete, examples would be Forza 5, and KI. Another game that people are banging on about, but not realizing the true intent of the gameplay! No single player mode, Yes you guessed it "TitanFall".

Outside of watching TV, everything that is the Xbox1 is online! What can be done without online? Nothing! Even FTP are behind the Xbox1 pay wall.

If people look at things from a different perspective that people would see the policies haven't changed, they've just been modified! The policies are just being enforced through the games themselves. Just last week wasn't a spokesperson for Microsoft quoted as saying, the are still committed to the original policies of the Xbox1!?

No external drive forces a reliance on the cloud, and where is the cloud? Online.

I expect the apologist to rush to the defense of something like this, but really Is there a defense for this?

500 GB will fill up quicker this generation than last, both use Blu ray disc! Kinects 2.0 will be intergrated into a lot more games, that why there won't be a kineticless sku. There are just to many things pointing to Microsoft instituting a lot of their original policies when they feel the time is right.
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Death  +   472d ago
Yeah. The whole online thing kind of took off in the 90's. I think most of us get the "everything is going online" trick. Back when online was an option on the PS2 with a special adapter called a modem, Xbox gamers were required to have broadband and a paid subscription to play. Sony fans laughed and said the Xbox was doomed. 2 generations later and Playstations are broadband equipped and have paid online subscriptions. Same with the HDD's everyone is all excited about. Guess who had them first as standard equipment?
HammadTheBeast  +   472d ago | Well said
Just saying guys, don't spread that bullshit about unlimited cloud storage.

If it is unlimited, what is the purpose of an HDD if they cloud can just hold everything? You guys seriously think that you can just upload all the stuff you want to the cloud, and never have to buy a HDD again?

Lol.

You think you can just install games, music, movies to the cloud, and just stream it off? Lol lata.
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Agent-86  +   472d ago
Guess people forgot about Onlive and all the lag it had streaming games over the internet. Just think about how bad it would be with next gen games and their even higher graphics. Games will still need to be installed to a local HDD and 500gb can fill up fast with an active user.
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H0RSE  +   472d ago
I'm not saying it is true or jnot, but in response to your question, "You guys seriously think that you can just upload all the stuff you want to the cloud, and never have to buy a HDD again?"

If unlimited cloud storage was indeed true, it still wouldn't make the need of a HDD obsolete, since the cloud relies on internet connection and a HDD does not - this goes for both PS4 and X1.
donman1  +   472d ago
Must the be a slow day for gaming news. As I would be surprise if they did allow for external drive integration.
MizTv  +   472d ago
Zing
dmitrijs88  +   472d ago
MS officially said that they started working on X1 in 2010 Q4.
FamilyGuy  +   472d ago
"at Launch"

Why would the article poster skip that part, it's not like the headline was too long. Flame starter.

I was about to go off lol, they clearly stated they'd support external drives. I'm actually a bit surprised that it's a problem for launch, all current media-center devices have supported external drives for years now.

What could the issue be? :/
bganci  +   472d ago
IT IS HAPPENING but will not be available at launch.
DonFreezer  +   472d ago
Guys move on to the ps can't install game son external hard drive article please. At least Microsoft will allow you to do that in a later date.
PSVita  +   472d ago
But like the ps3 you can upgrade the actual Hard drive with ANY 2.5 HDD.
showtimefolks  +   472d ago
it will be patched later on, no reason to hate on xbox one or ps4. 500GB is big enough for 1st year. I just wish MS had better planned out the xbox one, because it seems like one week they are saying one thing only to take it back and say something else

just explain everything to consumers clearly

maniacmayhem

like many of xbox one's better features its behind a paid wall, also you can use that cloud space for everything but install games. And installing games is where you use most of you space anyway

but i agree very bad planning on MS's behalf, after the success of xbox360, the next system's launch should have been so much smoother

i don't know what's with companies messing up their 3rd consoles in some ways lol
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SilentNegotiator  +   472d ago
Microsoft's "we'll get around to it" attitude is going to get them nowhere.
Bathyj  +   472d ago
So its not something theyre intentionally leaving out for whatever reason. Its just something they havent finished yet for whatever reason.

Man, this thing just screams rushed. MS have been on the backfoot since the PS4 was announced and all the 180's have clearly caused setbacks. You only have to look at the revised launch countries, voice commands, external HDD support among other things to know everything is not going as they had planned.

I just cant trust their ability to make reliable hardware, its going to be an interesting first year for Xbone. No doubt they have a billion dollars set aside again for extended warranties.
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Mounce  +   472d ago
If they allowed External drives that weren't Microsofts' own overpriced HDD's, how would they make extra money?!

It's as bad as PS Vita and the memory cards going up to what used to be 32GB for $99. At least PS3 and PS4 allow you to change HDD size any time you want AND use an external HDD, the only exclusion is you can't install on an external, but you can still use one.
_FantasmA_  +   472d ago
Xbox Gone
ALLWRONG  +   472d ago
"Xbox One and External Drives: Not Happening At Launch"

Fixed!

Funny thing is MS said "launch" right away. Then again this is N4G, the site that takes anything MS says out of context for hits. Most of the PS fanboy comments above didn't even get past the title before commenting. How does if feel to look like fools?
sentury111  +   472d ago
Actually you will be able to. Just not on day 1.

This is most likely a consequence of changing the drm policy on the system.
sourav93  +   472d ago
What has DRM got to do with supporting external HDDs?
sentury111  +   471d ago
Because originally you had to check in every day to verify it was your content. With the updated policies things probably had to be changed.
maniacmayhem  +   472d ago
Well to be fair you do get unlimited cloud storage space so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. But seriously, why the heck are these standard features not ready out the box? Did MS not know they were releasing a new system?
zeal0us  +   472d ago
Does the unlimited cloud storage requires XBLG? If so then its not really fair to begin with. If not then SWEET!!!!!!
WitWolfy  +   472d ago
Dude this is MS we're talking about here. Of course XBLG is needed,if it was upto MS you probably would've needed XBLG too just to turn the damn thing on!
Agent-86  +   472d ago
Unfortunately, "unlimited cloud storage" isn't the cure since you can't actually install games there. The cloud storage is more for game saves, profiles and other such things which actually don't take much room. So, the cloud storage won't really help if your HDD gets full. Not having the ability to attach an external drive or upgrade the HDD to a higher capacity could be a problem down the road. However, it looks like the PS4 will be allowing both plus games can be played from the disc instead of installing them (but with longer load times). MS really needs to get their act together.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   472d ago
“Xbox Live offers Xbox One unlimited storage space in the cloud for all Xbox Live members to store numerous types of Xbox Live content, including your profile, games, Achievements and entertainment. This content is stored and saved in the cloud so you can automatically access it anywhere, anytime, no matter where you are.”

Movies, music, games everything you download on Xbox will be stored in the cloud.

The smallest negative X1 news and everyone goes stupid.
Agent-86  +   472d ago | Well said
@AngelicIceDiamond

You can't install games to the cloud....just think of the lag (like Onlive and all its problems). What you can store is the game files to be downloaded to another Xbox One, say like you are at a friend's house and want to play the game there (you will have to wait for it to download and install to that Xbox, though). The key word in your quote is "access"....not install. Since you can't actually play the game from the cloud, that doesn't address the concern of running out of HDD space. Please think before calling other people stupid.
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ShwankyShpanky  +   472d ago
"Xbox Live content, including your profile, games, Achievements and entertainment."

As others have said, games are not stored "to" the cloud, they are stored "on" the cloud. When you buy a disc game, it's not like the Xbone is going to upload the whole thing to the "cloud," it's just that the digital version is already on "the cloud" to be downloaded (and installed) whenever you want. $100 says you cannot play a game that is not installed to your hard drive (or off a disc).

Of course, that's the same thing we already have with the 360 and the PS3, and will have on the PS4.

Also, in reference to "entertainment," they do refer to it as "Xbox Live content," so I'm guessing that's content that's been purchased via XBL. Time will tell if they're giving you "unlimited storage" for you to upload all of your own video and music (except maybe game DVR video), but I wouldn't hold my breath. (and again, in that regard, "unlimited storage" is a misnomer, as it's the same thing as with the games... the data's already there on the "cloud" for you to download whenever, you are not uploading "to" the cloud)
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Angeljuice  +   472d ago
But you still have to download the game from the cloud onto the HDD to play it.
They do intend to allow external drives later, just not at launch (because the system is being rushed and shipped out unfinished).
Hicken  +   472d ago
You can't install the games to the cloud and play them from there, so bringing up how it's "unlimited" time after time is pointless.

If I had all 136 games on my trophy list digitally, as will be possible on PS4, the 250GB in my PS3 wouldn't be remotely close to covering it. Stuff like Agarest War, Tokyo Jungle, and Rainbow Moon already aren't on there; imagine adding in Uncharted, DC Universe, Red Dead, MGSIV and others.

It might be different for XB1 owners, but that 500GB could go rather quickly on PS4. Hell, a good 15 or so gigs will be used right off the bat with DC Universe. Plus Drive Club, Killzone, Resogun, and who knows what else? Might as well get Planetside 2 and the rest of the f2p games. I mean, they're free, right?
Metfanant  +   472d ago
surely he means for game saves, and not external HDD's in general right??...if the console really doesnt allow for ANY type of external storage that is just a joke...
thehitman  +   472d ago
If they will have external storage they will probably have xbox certified devices you have to buy to use it with ofc at a higher value than any normal HDD or flash drive.
CynicalKelly  +   472d ago
Did you read the article or just the title? It won't support them at launch but it will eventually.

Sounds like they are rushing the console with all the things not ready at launch but you have to be careful with news because they are all trying to make the Xbox sound bad.

Honestly, they don't need to do more than post the news. It's already dim for them.
Angeljuice  +   472d ago | Funny
" but you have to be careful with news because they are all trying to make the Xbox sound bad."

Another conspiracy theory, yes the world media is run by Sony Fanboys now, just like all the forums.

Maybe Sony has spiked the Worlds drinking water supplies with ProSonytol the new brainwashing drug (because it couldn't possibly be that MS has made terrible mistakes and people are just reporting them, or Sony simply have a more popular product, that's just ridiculous). /S
IcicleTrepan  +   472d ago
It's pretty clear that they made a sensationalist title to the article when the article itself, and major nelson has said before this that it would be supported, but not at launch. These kinds of articles just make things worse for no reason.
CynicalKelly  +   472d ago
@Angeljuice

wow... Defensive much?

Just like those conspiracy theories that Microsoft pay everyone to not use PS4 controllers? Get over yourself, not everyone is an immautre fanboy like yourself who needs to attack or defend consoles.

How can you even deny that this article isn't trying to make Xbox seem worse. Just look at the title. "Isn't happening" makes it sound like it doesn't support them and never will when the truth is hidden in the article which obviously looking at these comments, nobody even bothered to read says it will happen, just not a launch.... Deny that this article wasn't titled to make it sound worse than it is intentionally and your opinion is invalid because fanboys shouldn't have an opinion.

You can lie all you want about Xbox not supporting external hard drives when it does. The media will keep making sure misinformation is a thing and you can all keep disagreeing with facts because it's nice to know you are all so insecure as to disagree with facts.
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AceBlazer13  +   472d ago
Day after day this console becomes more and more repulsive.
Whitey2k  +   472d ago
o well im glad u can swap ur HDD on the ps4 I just hope its not limited to 1tb
GamerGuy153  +   472d ago
Also, external drives are supported. Games can't be installed there because of potential bandwidth issues though. But still, all of your music and movies can go on the external, leaving 500gb just for games. That should be more than enough for a good while.
Eonjay  +   472d ago
Actually this isn't correct. Larry said that it wont support Storage in the same way that 360 does until after launch. This means the USBs are just there... really weird
Are_The_MaDNess  +   472d ago
nope the OS supports up to 3TB like the PS3 most likely. tho goodluck finding anything larger than 2TB in the 2.5inch standard.
theWB27  +   472d ago
That's strange....I managed this whole generation with just my 20gig 360 hard drive so I know 500 is more than enough for me. Technically the only thing you have to save to the hard drivd is games....everything else goes to the cloud.

Are people really going to run out of room that quick?

@Metfanant
Nope...I own a PS3 and don't pay for Plus. My Live is monthly so it wouldn't take much to let that expire and switch over.

@buynit
The other thing is the X1 even requires you to install the disc games too. Even with that said...I don't think I'll fill up 500 gigs that quick. My laptop is 500 gigs and I only use about 30 gigs of that. So....that's just me.
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Metfanant  +   472d ago
you obviously don't have PS+
WitWolfy  +   472d ago
Yeah no doubt.. I have PSN+ and my 500GB HDD only has 100GB remaining... Just think of how insane its going to be next gen If I already used 500GB in less than a 4 months now!
buynit  +   472d ago
Well if you buy DD games it can fill up fast...

Im glad with a service like ps+ that the ps3 alows me to upgrade the hdd with ease and its not too expensive for a tb!

Sony has to do something with the vita memory cards cause those prices are insane... If ms and sony want DD to succeed they have to solve the save space. Fix that and make it eady fir everyone and it will take off...
HammadTheBeast  +   472d ago
Well, XBO games have to be saved to the HDD to run them. Let's say each game is 25 gb. That's 500 gb for 20 games, and we'll consider 25 gb a minimum, obviously with the move to blu-ray it would be higher.

Factor in the fact that it's more like 450 gb on PS4/XBO due to OS, software etc.

Idk where I'm going with this.
theWB27  +   472d ago
I was following you Beast lol....

@Agent-86 and thegreatklemba
I stated the X1 requires you to install disc games also. I wasn't speaking for everyone else, I know that I could easily manage 500 gigs to last me the whole upcoming gen.

I play sports titles...it wouldn't take much to erase NBA2k14 once I buy 2k15. It won't take much to erase a game when I don't play them anymore.

I also don't buy enough games to fill that up. So...
Agent-86  +   472d ago
@WB27

This difference is this gen Xbox One games will require a full install, not just a partial install that the 360 had. If you haven't noticed, game size has ballooned and 15-20gb per game is around the norm now. When I installed Max Payne 3 on my PC, it was more like 35gb!

Also, although movies could be stored in the cloud, they would be better on your HDD instead of being streamed. You can lose some fidelity and resolution with streaming. I believe Hulu+ and Netflix only stream at 720p.
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Bzone24  +   472d ago
So you will have to have every game installed on your console? There's no way that you can just limit it to the maybe 10 games? If it were an average of 20gb a game at 10 games it'd only take up 200gb of space. There is no need to have more games than that installed at once. Especially if you can start playing the game while it is installing.
Xsilver  +   472d ago
my friend has 16 games on his ps3 160gb from ps+ and he constantly has to keep deleting things that's why i'm switching out my 500gb from the ps4 for 1tb because im planning on stuffing it with any free game they offer and bought games.
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thegreatklemba  +   472d ago
do you have any idea how much data is on a bluray disc which there is mandatory installs on x1 so it will fill up quick unlike the xbox360 hd dvds which hold nothing on them so yeh you will prob have a problem if you buy a lot of games
MasterCornholio  +   472d ago
I bought a PS3 with a 320GB hard drive and i upgraded it to 1TB.

Why you ask?

Because of PlayStation plus.
buynit  +   472d ago
Lol same here...
dmitrijs88  +   472d ago
u use 30gigs on your laptop? that means u dont use your laptop, considering win7 OS with all updates and some must have progs require about that much space.
theWB27  +   472d ago
I know about those updates. I'm speaking of music, movies etc that I've downloaded.

I didn't count software I wouldn't be using on the X1. I don't see myself installing CeltX on the X1 and writing my next script with a controller.

I kind of thought that'd be a given.
GamerGuy153  +   472d ago
To those who say you can just install to the unlimited cloud, Why would anyone install a game in the cloud, even if they could?? While they are playing, the quality of the game will be completely based on how well your internet is working, and if your neighbors hog the bandwidth like mine do that would be a problem. Plus if the internet goes out, you're done.
CaulkSlap  +   472d ago
Any internet connection is far too slow for running like a hard drive. Data transfer rates of hard drives are 100MB/s or more. The entire "unlimited cloud storage" thing is essentially just being able to redownload all the content you have access to. So exactly how things are right now but with a fresh coat of marketing BS for morons. Now cloud storage is great for game saves and storing the recorded gameplay footage but MS isn't doing anything special.
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devwan  +   472d ago
"with a fresh coat of marketing BS for morons."

Reading some comments above, targeting that demographic has been one of their more effective ploys. Gobsmacked that people actually think they can install games to their infinite cloudspace... mindblowing.
buynit  +   472d ago
So if you cant use an external and you cant up grade the hdd...

Then what are you supposed to do fot more space? Buy another console?
MasterCornholio  +   472d ago
What if your HDD breaks down?

RROD for the XBOX One then and the only way you can fix it is by sending the console to Microsoft for repairs.
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ShwankyShpanky  +   472d ago
Double-selling consoles™: Padding MicroSoft's bottom line since 2007.
True_Samurai  +   472d ago
I don't know how 500gb fill up quick most games are 5-8gb this gen
buynit  +   472d ago
Not if you DD...

I guess im just spoiled with ps+ but 500gb wouldnt last long enough for next gen games..
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dragon82  +   472d ago
My PS3 has a 1TB that is almost full at this point. 500GB is nothing with the larger games we will be seeing on next gen consoles.
Funantic1  +   472d ago
Misleading title...the X1 won't support an external hard drive at launch. It will later. That's confirmed by MS.
mega31  +   472d ago
Yea they confirmed it, but dont waste your breath, look in this comment section, all kids.

PS wont let you install games to an external Hard Drive that's also confirmed, where are the comments on that?

Let them enjoy hating on the Xbox, Im going to enjoy the best of both worlds, and play with xbox one and PS4, best part is i can mute and block half these children from both.

I do not know why comments on these articles are always negative, let the people who want to play Xbox play xbox and let the people who want to play PS4 play ps4 why is everyone attacking each other. Just shutup and enjoy whatever your going to buy.

Bunch of crybabies
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CGI-Quality  +   472d ago
From your comments, you're the only one having a meltdown because somebody doesn't like your favored console.
davidj88  +   472d ago
Here you go mega31, http://n4g.com/news/1344588... , here are all the comments you want to see about the PS4 not allowing people to install to an external hard drive so you can feel better about people not only hating on Xbox.

As has been said many times though it isn't that big of a deal a lot of people as they already have larger HDD's that they will be using instead of the 500GB HDD that comes with the PS4, and personally i'd much rather be able to upgrade the internal HDD that use an external.
MasterCornholio  +   472d ago
Now thats a load of bull. How can a console not support an external hard drive at launch?

Its almost as if the system isn't even fully developed yet.

Motorola RAZR i
4logpc  +   472d ago
#MasterCornholio

You do know ps4 won't allow games to be installed to an external right....
Angeljuice  +   472d ago
@4logpc
You do know that X1 won't even recognise an external HDD let alone install games on it right....
MasterCornholio  +   472d ago
@4logPC

I said support which means that if i connect an external hard drive to a console it should be able to recognize it. On the PS4 you cant install games to it but you can store all your movies and music that you want on it. This isnt possible with the XBOX One at launch.

Dont believe me?

Heres proof.

http://i.imgur.com/QPyw2Ob....

The PS4 supports external HDD at launch for storing music and movies while the XBOX One doesnt.

Get my point?

BTW if my 500GB runs out of space i can always upgrade it to 1TB or 2TBs of space which is something thats impossible to do with the XBOX One because Microsoft says no.
Funantic1  +   472d ago
The 360 didn't support 3rd party flash memory cards at first now it does. Both the PS4 and X1 will be able to do things in a couple of years that it couldn't do at launch. That's just the way it goes.
fsfsxii  +   472d ago
What a joke. What if i filled up my HDD?? Should i buy another XB1?
dmitrijs88  +   472d ago
just dont buy that crap at all
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Volkama  +   472d ago
I'm planning to go all digital for the One (for instant switching, but also for child proofing; they love discs...). I was anticipating the need to buy a USB drive within the first year.

I can't listen to the podcast right now, is it saying "not ready at launch" or "not planned at all"?

Edit: nevermind, I see the answer above. Not ready for launch. That's fine.
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Xsilver  +   472d ago
i'm sorry don't you need Xbla for the cloud storage?
Bzone24  +   472d ago
Well, yes you need a Xbox Live account, but you don't have to be a Gold Member.
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Xsilver  +   472d ago
oh ok
ceedubya9  +   472d ago
Key words: at launch. Not that serious. It'll come. This title should be changed.
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AceBlazer13  +   472d ago
http://media.heavy.com/medi...

This console is failing all over.
4logpc  +   472d ago
Yea because external storage determines a consoles success.

By that logic the ps4 is toast.

grow up.
Are_The_MaDNess  +   472d ago
well the Xbox One need every edge it can get. every time a bad statement or does something that isnt better than Sony is a failure

@bellow:
agreed.
tho i was aiming for the 4logpc guy and not you XD

i was to slap a 2TB SSHD (when they come out) into both to consoles and fill them all up. and i know i can do it and i know that i will.

going all digital this gen because of multidownload on more than one machine (my stepdad getting his own machines) so i dont have get the disk and such and both can play at the same time.
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AceBlazer13  +   472d ago
When you push for a digital future and your console isn't prepared for it that will be considered a fail.
FlunkinMonkey  +   472d ago
Stop being so ignorant, who's saying this is a determining factor??? It just certainly doesn't help does it?! luckily it will get sorted out after launch, but it's just another indication of how rushed this console launch is.
oldassgamer  +   472d ago
So you thought ms did a 180 on their always connected policy think again. By limiting your disk space they are forcing you to rely on the "cloud". Then they will try to sell you a bigger drive with a ridiculous markup.
corvusmd  +   472d ago
Another fanboy bait jackass post..."let's purposely make the title misleading, cause we know people won't read it or bother to look up facts" Sony fanboys are seriously getting desperate..when you flat out have to lie to skew the truth to win points...you've lost. True, it won't be supported at launch, but WILL be supported...however that being said...with unlimited cloud storage you can save everything else there and use the 500gb for just games..but most-likely won't even come close to filling that with games you are actively playing, you most likely won't need an external HD, definitely not at launch. PS4 only has 2gb of cloud storage where as the wii u only has a 32gb hard drive, so....yeah, it makes sense that both those systems NEED it at launch. If it takes XB1 a year or two, or just a couple months to put this quick patch out...still not a big deal. Sony kids just want something negative to say about XB1 and they are running out...so let's just make up stuff. At least this way XB1 can keep that usb free for external game capture units...wait PS4 doesn't support that? All walk-throughs have to be limited to 15 minutes? Damn, sorry...I mean since we are talking about meaningless negative aspects about consoles...
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ShwankyShpanky  +   472d ago
Yeah, it really sucks that PS3/PS4 doesn't have "unlimited cloud storage." I really wish they had let me store those old PSN games I deleted in case I wanted to access them in the future.

Wait a sec... you mean I *can* still download and play every PSN game I purchased since I got the PS3? Incredible!

As for the rest of that "unlimited cloud storage" noise: http://n4g.com/news/1345564...

>>"At least this way XB1 can keep that usb free for external game capture units."

You have no idea what you're talking about. Game capture hardware doesn't work like that. USB capture hardware plugs into the USB on the *receiving* computer, not on the outputting hardware.

And actually, the PS4's 15-minute recording limitation applies only to the *automatic* recording, meaning that at any point you can retrieve video of the last fifteen minutes without having to manually activate recording. Manually activated recording has been reported as being limited only by available HDD space.

Pretty pathetic the way "you flat out have to lie to skew the truth to win points."
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corvusmd  +   472d ago
Damn!!! you Owned me so bad....wait, you don't understand sarcasm
ShwankyShpanky  +   472d ago
Mm-kay guy, whatever you say. ;)
solidjun5  +   472d ago
@corvusmd: That was sarcasm??? sure...¬_¬
devwan  +   472d ago
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jessupj  +   472d ago
Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the MS fanboys purposely gimping themselves by blindly buying an X1...

...but then I read posts like this and I stop.
DVAcme  +   472d ago
The article mentions that both the PS4 and the Wii-U support external drives, while the XBox One won't. To all those XBox fanboys who were talking crap about Sony for not allowing installs on external drives: EAT CROW.
jackanderson1985  +   472d ago
shuhei himself said you can't install games on the external drives
kewlkat007  +   472d ago
He missed the Memo..

http://www.thesixthaxis.com...
jackanderson1985  +   472d ago
shuhei himself said you can't install games on the external drives

nobody is denying you can use an external harddrive in the PS4 (unless they're just plain stupid) but you can't install games on it
Gorilla_Killa_X  +   472d ago
Yeah but yesterday when Yoshida said you couldn't install games to an external hard drive all the XBox fanboys where dogging Sony and saying that XBox One would allow it only to find out that XBox One doesn't even support external hard drives. Fact.
Tctczach  +   472d ago
It should say not happening at launch....
vigilante_man  +   472d ago
Do not launch until it is ready!!
grassyknoll  +   472d ago
Microsoft really isn't ready for launch. I think they would be in a far better position by reintroducing it / releasing it in 2014. A botched up launch can take years to turn around.
mcstorm  +   472d ago
And again Xbox one post full of Sony fan boys who were never buying a one to start with. Do you guys ever play games as it seems every time I come on a Xbox post your all going on and on about how poor an Xbox is. Do you guys really care that much?

It clearly says at launch so it will come later on like it did on the 360.
laijka  +   472d ago
It's fear.
mcstorm  +   472d ago
Well by all the Disagrees it shows they really care about the xbox one over the PS4. Gaming is becoming obsessive by fan boys. Its a games console people no need to hate its an object not a sports team.

I remember when I was a kid and all that was said about gaming was if you played it you were a geek but now its seen as the cool thing to do and because of that we have 100s of sad people who now need to say my device is better than your just like with phones.

Its still technology people and you should buy what fits your life the best that is what other people pick is there choice just because its different to yours dose not mean its wrong just like what you pick is not wrong.

The other thing that makes me lol about all the fan boys is the come out and say that its all about exclusives ect yet look at the best selling games this gen and you will find 90% of them are 3rd party games like COD and BF so that proves my point in people are buying the console that is best for them not because of its look, power, sold the most ect.
FlunkinMonkey  +   471d ago
No your 7 day old account shows fear my friend.

Coward.
laijka  +   471d ago
@FlunkinMonkey
Ah yes, because that is relevant.

Might it be that I hit a nerve?
Ketzicorn  +   472d ago
I had a day One preorder in but I think I'll wait untill they release a Halo Bundle when Halo 5 comes out so they have time to get things straightened out.
4logpc  +   472d ago
What an awful misleading title.

This should be taken down immediately. Its 100% false.
jackanderson1985  +   472d ago
while the article is factual the title is a tad misleading... it is happening just not at launch... also it's coming from Major Nelson he has been incorrect about the last 5 things he announced so wouldn't be surprised if in fact it was available out the box
nick309  +   472d ago
It will come after launch, at least we know that. With ps4 it aint certain to use external for games at all... I wont buy an internal hdd cuz i have 2 externals i could use, thats always an excuse...
coopman300  +   472d ago
Well even if you run out of hd space you can just uninstall a game you dont play and re-install it if you want to pick it back up, not a big deal really especially if you have the disk to install from, used to do it all the time on my old pc.
EXVirtual  +   472d ago
Just to clarify, are the mandatory installs still there, because if it is, that thing is gonna fill up quick.
theWB27  +   472d ago
Yep..they are.
n4rc  +   472d ago
Likely due to all the changes they were forced to make..

Killing the 24h check in probably opened a security hole.. Its really not a big deal
theWB27  +   472d ago
I think this changing of the DRM really hurt more than they are letting on. This thing was truly meant to be always online and built for pure digital....and now they're backpedaling still trying to make release date.
n4rc  +   472d ago
That's what I figure.. Its what he meant by "you can't just flip a switch".

Sure they reversed the policy quickly, but its a lot of work.. Literally have to go through the entire system..

They didn't rush it to market.. They had to listen to whiners and now have added a ton of work on themselves at the last minute.. Lol.. Big difference

And it really doesn't matter... If a game doesn't make the cut of 500gb, you likely aren't playing it... And when you can install as you play, its a non issue..
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JessiePinkmanYo  +   472d ago
This is another sign of piss poor planning. Lets turn the clock back a bit when MS was pushing for the whole digital download plan before they 180ed it. WTF were they planning to do once your 500 gigs was taken up? Factor in all the game installs, apps (like the TV crap) plus DLC for games and 500g is nothing.
In the defense of the unknown-can you swap out for a bigger hard drive like you can on PS3? Are plans in the works for a bigger one like the 360 slim?
Honestly, all said including this article is moot. WHEN THE HELL IS THE X1 GOING TO BE RELEASED??!! A solid release date would be great. With each passing day of bad news, rescinding releases in regions and silence, it only gives credibility to the rumors of manufacturing and ESRAM/Yield issues and rumors.
I have both X1 and PS4 on preorder, but my patience is wearing thin with MS
SilentGuard  +   472d ago
Does anyone know why MS decided to not allow removable HDD's like for the 360? I'm sure MS won't provide an answer.
Funky Town_TX  +   472d ago
There is no core unit like the 360 has.
gnothe1  +   472d ago
i think this has more to do with not having DRM an the 24 hour check in...when those policies were in place they had announced that you COULD use an external HDD...but after the policy reversal they cant allow that until they have a work around...what would stop people from loading up an external HDD an playing free games...
dazzrazz  +   472d ago
Umm let's see a disc that is required to be in the drive 0_o.
gnothe1  +   472d ago
dude that's now....before the policy change the disc didn't have to be in the drive...you didn't even use the dice before...you put the dice in, install the game an no more disc needed...
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