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Battlefield 4 creative director: 'We underestimated console gamers'

MMGN writes: In an interview with MMGN at Gamescom, Battlefield 4 creative director Lars Gustavsson said the renowned game maker had learnt from its mistakes, having designed Battlefield gamers for a console audience that is far more "hardcore" than the development team originally thought.

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M-M1446d ago

Lol I said that in my head right after I saw the title.

piroh1446d ago

i forgive you Dice, still KillZone SF all the way for me

SolidStoner1446d ago

^ Killzone is great and all, but damn BF is whole different game... Battlefield 4 for PS4 will rock...

NewMonday1445d ago

@piroh

I'm getting both, with the PS4 you can switch between KZ and BF4 matches in seconds, it is even faster than loading a MP map within a single game in the current generation.

b163o11445d ago

I'm always amazed how people disagree with facts, hell you can watch your friends in both games, and look and see with is the better game to join before deciding. That's a plus in my book SONY!

Irishguy951445d ago (Edited 1445d ago )

Its hard to fault them when you see games that don't even try with gameplay and get away with it.

BF4

64 players
destruction
large and small maps
lots of vehicles
air combat, sea combat
Dynamic weather in multi which affects maps such as a tidal wave

Do you know what KZ added to its already unimpressive list of features? Bullet time. KZ is doing exactly what its supposed to and nothing more "lets wow them and show off the graphics we can pull off all while having decent gameplay"

Cod? Fish Ai "the fans will love Fish AI! And since our fans don't play games they won't know Fish Ai has been around for 15 years...how lucky are we?"

While Halo actually has some impressive features, Halo 4 added nothing and made the gameplay worse than Bungie could do.

Hey B16...Could say the same about Titanfall, however I won't...as i'm not stupid enough to pick and choose between exclusives at this point in time, since you know...X1 has more and of better quality at that.

GentlemenRUs1445d ago (Edited 1445d ago )

@Irishguy95

Do you XBOTS ever give up trolling about the PS4?

Nobody cares about what console you prefer and what you think of games... Just enjoy what you get and not go trolling over a console...

I like PS4
You like XBONE

Do I care? No.
Does the Public? No.

EDIT: Laughing at you Irishguy95 xD

Irishguy951445d ago

No need to be so defensive GentlemenRus, I already said i'm getting a Ps4 first for various reasons. I'm not stupid enough to lie to myself about the games coming out for both though

Maddens Raiders1445d ago (Edited 1445d ago )

[piroh + 6h ago
i forgive you Dice, still KillZone SF all the way for me.]

I'll still be getting both but hell yeah...
Well said.

+1 bubble

Abdou0231445d ago

@ piroh

2 different games, why not enjoy both ?!

UltimateMaster1445d ago

"It's on Medium settings for PS4."
How much people exactly will actually use the High Settings on PC?

The next-gen consoles already beats the majority of consumer's current PC rigs.
Unless you've invested 1000s on a new PC, you're probably going to use medium on a PC as well.
Most people has 8-cores, rare are those who do have 12-cores.

Dice used that same excuse the last time on last gen consoles and they still are trying to say that the only relevant system is the PC because you can upgrade it piece by piece.

But the PS4 is 10 times stronger than a PS3, it's beasting my new PC which I bought little b4 the announce of the PS4 which cost me near 1000$.

Who the hell on earth will be able to actually be able to use that mystical "High" Settings? Millionaires with too much money to waste on PC Hardware?

It's about time you realize to what market your selling your games to...

And if you can't really bring that next-gen experience to consoles, others will: Killzone Shadow Fall and probably Halo too (Even tough we haven't seen much of it)

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tordavis1445d ago

@ultimatemaster - "But the PS4 is 10 times stronger than a PS3, it's beasting my new PC which I bought little b4 the announce of the PS4 which cost me near 1000$. "

If the PS4 is beasting your $1000 PC, I feel sorry for you. I run BF3 on Ultra on a PC I built 5 years ago. You must be doing something wrong. Oo

UltimateMaster1445d ago (Edited 1445d ago )

@tordavis
Exactly what I was saying.

Dice is simply putting Zero effort in the console version of the game.

Other games will beat Battlefield 4 and Killzone SF is a great example of that.

Hell, most PC gamers are envious of not being able to get KZ SF for PCs

It's not about what it is, it's what you do with it.
Example: The Wii U is "Technically" a HD console, but they serve us the same Miis that's on the Wii...
Likewise, The Last of Us almost feels next-gen.

And Graphics and Hardware aren't that relevant compared to the actual game play and overall quality of the game.

RumbleFish1445d ago

Killzone SF is a must have and so is BF4 on PC. I want it all and I want it now!

Yukicore1445d ago

Hey, can you please update me on what's up with consoles and BF4? I would really appreciate it. :)

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3-4-51446d ago

Basically, consoles are getting EXACT same experience, rather than a lesser experience.

This game and a few others have so much potential.

yeahokchief1446d ago (Edited 1446d ago )

Idk. I'm still going to wait and see. Lost a lot of faith after BF3.

This looks like what BF3 should have been, but i'm still certain that they're going to rape us with the DLC prices if I buy it full price at launch.

I mean if they can't get good parity NOW while the next gen is fresh then it will only be worse in the years to come. So I'd hope this one will be good if you're a battlefield fan.

dougr1445d ago

All the killzones have been awful, hopefully with the playstation 4, Socom, the real Socom, makes a return, so that we can finally get a real shooter that takes skill and strategy. I'll also be skipping battlefield 4 as it is just a mindless shooter. I'd love a return of a shooter that was non respawn.

die_fiend1445d ago

All Killzone's have been awful?!
I never played KZ1 but 2 and 3 certainly weren't awful you silly lil troll. Battlefield isn't mindless either...you play as a team or you fail. Maybe you're confusing it with another military shooter? Have you played a battlefield game or just decided all of this?

dougr1445d ago (Edited 1445d ago )

I'm not a troll at all. Every Killzone has been terrible. And if you think you have to play as a team on battlefield to win you are full of it. Bring back Socom, the only shooter that actually required skill, creativity, and brains to be good at. I can't speak on the xbox side, as I've never played GOW, Halo, or any other shooter that they have, but on the playstation side, sadly Killzone is garbage. Even Socom 4, a terrible, terrible game, had more interesting multiplayer than Killzone 2 or 3. We won't talk about killzone 1 though, that was a whole different type of terribleness.

Wni01445d ago

Socom is the best out of these 3 for teamwork, but stop saying games you dont like suck.

Killzone has a different feel to multiplayer as does BF.

Socom will never be the end all be all mumtiplayer game it once was - just like Timeplitters arcadey greatness will never come back. Stop living in the past.

pixelsword1445d ago

Yeah.

All of the killzones have been sooooo awful that people

-copied the look of the Helghasts (I know about the Jin-Roh look, but since Hunk from Resident Evil came out a year before Jin-Roh [that, and the fact that the Nazi party existed since the 20's, of which the Helghast, Jin-Roh, and probably Hunk were probably based on] I have to look at the whole appearance of the Helghasts having modern and not Nazi helmets, the "lens for eyes" look instead of the glass of resident evil and the mere glow of Jin-Roh, and a modern battle suit instead of "insect-like" armor; which was emulated in multiple games from that point [unlike people saying that everyone copied Gears of War irregardless that GoW is a direct copy of kill.switch without variance in terms of it's style of control or movement])

-copied the first person cover system (again, people will try to bring up winback, or House of the Dead (?) game but again, see the GeoW reference: Killzone 2 is distinct in that you don't see a first-person off-rails game that has a cover system like K2 until K2)

-copied the brutal melee

-copied the precise bullet damage system (shoot someone in a particular part of the body and it reacts)

That, and the three games had a good story/characters to the degree that Killzone even won me over Halo because the series got better and better while Halo got progressively worse and worse; for me, the first two Halo games were the best and unless Halo 5 corrects all the rest, I don't think these new guys will ever get the game back on track.

T21445d ago

Thing about socom is its more the community that made it more than the actual game ... it was a great game but if you think bf requires no teamwork, you are doin it wrong

Bolts1445d ago

Killzone 2 was great, Killzone 3 however was absolutely shit. From what I've seen of Killzone 4 multiplayer it's shit too. Those deployable blue force fields are cheesy as hell, they shouldn't be in multiplayer. Overall this franchise have proven to be nothing more than a series of pretty tech demos and bullet points, that's why this it never resonated with PS fans like Uncharted and Infamous did.

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FlyingFoxy1445d ago

@UltimateMaster

Common misconception that a good gaming PC is very expensive, i always spend around £1,000 on a full upgrade but for good reason. You can get away with just £600-£700 on the base unit alone and be good for games,the trouble with console games is that you don't know whether the alleged 60fps is average or constant.

More often than not it's the average frame rate, meaning that it can drop below the stated fps. This is why often we hear of console games getting frame rate dips in some areas. Sure PC gets that as well but to a lesser extent.

it's only inital cost that is more with a PC, with console you pay more for games and have subscription fees.

webeblazing1445d ago

its funny the only things i see console gamers complaining about is gfx. everyone is getting the same gameplay features, so really whats the reason for complaining. i know yall want these console to b push to the limit. ne too, but it can be a point when your taking it too far

joe901445d ago (Edited 1445d ago )

He means....Oh crap, we made these console gamers angry by saying there version is the shittest, lets pretend we didn't mean it and call them "Hardcore" so they buy our game.

You guys are such suckers.

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Rimeskeem1446d ago

we are important too dammit

The_Truth_24_71446d ago

That's why COD > BF. Activision didn't underestimate console gamers.

BozoLoco1446d ago

No, they underestimated PC gamers instead...

CaptainFaisal1446d ago

No they didnt! They gave you dedicated servers, mod support, WTF are you talking about!