I know there has been a heated thread about this already, but xboxic has an update from a credible source to clarify the situation. Also, they state that the magazine will be out next week, so we can read the rumor mill for ourselves.
"Che Chou, ex-1UP staffer and developer at Microsoft’s Forza 2 team, has this to say about the whole deal:
It’s simply a rumor that Konami higher-ups are pressuring Kojima Productions to consider making MGS4 a multiplatform game because production costs on the game are unsurprisingly high and only getting higher. With PS3 install base numbers not looking all that rosy due to console cost and manufacturing problems, Konami is scared they can’t recoup their investment on only 1 platform alone.
It’s also a nice way to maybe blackmail Sony into giving Konami an incentive to keeping the game a PS3 exclusive, imo.
Whatever the case, I highly doubt it’s going to happen so quit building yourself a disappointing kiloton bombs"
so its possible... personally I think army of two looks better and thats definately multi-platform.
I expect sony will pay to keep it exclusive, they would be crazy not to.
Actually, I prefer that Kojima does not allow MGS4 to go into the 360, since they would make lots of money if they do considering the 360 install base. I would prefer form them to "they can’t recoup their investment on only 1 platform alone". Not because I want Sony to fail; as matter of fact I don't think the PS3 will fail even if it does not have MGS4. But some of these developers believe that they have console manufacturers by the balls and that they control the success of any console, as even square indicated "We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them. But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much" that's an insult for Sony and Microsoft. I hope that other developers make better games and so they can't get back the return of investment. Only then they would know not manipulate gamers. Metal Gear and final fantasy should be multi-plaform since it has fans on all consoles, forcing gamers to buy the console that they want you to buy is wrong; These titles have been released on all consoles, they should keep it that way.
then halo 3 and GOW should be ported to the ps3 as well
Only if Mario or Metroid become multi-platform. Notice I did not mention any 1st party game from Sony. I would like to believe that Sony's future does not depend on 3rd party titles. Now do they? The titles you just mentioned are 1st party. There are original titles that sony has such as God of war that should stay first party. But something that you don't do is betray gamers by forcing them to chose a console when they have been loyal to the IP. How do you think gamers feel when they have to be jumping consoles everytime Konami or Square want more money and can care less about the gamers. Take Square for example, Final Fantasy was my favorite IP until they started releasing exclusive content fo all consoles, How many people can afford to buy all consoles and handhelds in order to play them all?
Also, it is sad how some of you see MSG and Final Fantasy as a first party game; and believe that Sony owes them and are guaranteed exclusive. Didn't you learn anything from GTA? Thats the problem with 3rd party developers, It is not good for sony to depend heavily on a 3rd party developer, in how much trouble do you think Sony would be if Konami and square do the samething they did to Nintendo when PSOne came out?
MGS will not fit in 9GB DVD and if get ported to the Xbox360 that's will cost a lot of time and money.
Maybe you should read up on procedural synthesis before making idiotic comments.
i can care less about MGS but if they want to pony over the next ICO or Shadow of the Colossus or even Katamari, i'll be happy with that
Actually, they wouldn't have to touch the game itself. Since what's taking so much space in these games are the CGI movies. All they would have to do is reduce the length of these movies, encode them using less space hungry technology, make these CGI using 720P intead of 1080P or even 480P. I highly dought people will go belly up if the game play is in HD but the CGI are not for the sake of releasing this game for the 360. Also, It interesting to see that Kojima himself says it can be done and you which obviously have no technical knowledge to prove the accuracy of your statements seem to believe you know more.
The textures on that game dont even come close to Perfect Darks so why wouldnt it fit when Oblivion takes up 6gigs??
Evolut0n: I know what is procedural synthesis but I think that you don't. Procedural synthesis is for the system memory not for a secundary memory like the Blue-Ray. Link about Procedural Synthesis
Bladestar: Kojima don't like to use CGI movies for his games if you play a Mgs game notice that maybe all the cutscenes and other stuff were made using the the game engine (All the MGS4 trailers were made using the game engine)
haloalldaylo: Oblivion is soooo repetitive is all grass, sand, rocks, walls but I enjoy playing it for the quest. MGS4 isn't finished yet and the textures could get an upgrade.
"Hideo Kojima claimed that the forthcoming PlayStation3 title is only made possible by the extra storage capacity of the Blu-ray disc."
"He also adds that if he were making a game for the Revolution or Xbox 360, he'd want to make something completely different from the Metal Gear Solid series -- an original title that fits in with the market for those systems"
meph, have you seen this picture
"Also, It interesting to see that Kojima himself says it can be done and you which obviously have no technical knowledge" -bladstar
My thoughts exactally. You really put him in his place.
- The screenshots of of warhawk, genji, motorstorm, tekken are CGI their developers said that, so who is lying?
- The Tiger Woods screnshot was show in real time in E3 2005 or 2006 conferece. And it's a multiplataform game so the game is the same in PS3 and Xbox360.
- MGS4 screenshot was taken from the TGS 2005 demostration. Kojima himself move the camera angles and add effects to the game.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watc... -Untold Legends: I never saw that screenshot before but in my opinion is CGI.
The only game trailer showed in E3 2005 with controversy is killzone because the developer said that was real time.
- The Xbox 360 screenshot are from differents games and none of the have another to compare. Totally biased.
xboxlj: Did you read the article y my second link - "Hideo Kojima claimed that the forthcoming PlayStation3 title is only made possible by the extra storage capacity of the Blu-ray disc."
Yes I did read the article and that has been said many a times to support the PS3. However, being an Engineer and with experience in software design, any of the PS3 launch titles can be ported to the 360. The most difficult part would be making it compatible with the 360's processor, not the storage medium. There are many compression methods which can be used, if needed.
there's a bigger picture here and most probally didn't realized and it's not whether MGS4 is coming to the 360 or not. that bigger picture is the fact or hint that Konami believes in the 360 as a well established console with huge sales potentials. expect the next big Konami hit(whatever that is) to also be made on the 360 in the future too.
They already made a PC version of MGS1/2, so this series is by no means Sony exclusive.
original seed - ICO and Shadow of the Colossus are Sony's own games so you can surely forget that they will ever come to 360.
never, never, never !!!
"Now son, Santa Claus isn't real. You have to let go of childhood and face the realities of life"
"Never, never, NEVER!!"
this will be that missing link that will overhaul the xbox360. let's get it :)
...what Kojima has said in earlier interviews. Kojima has said in a number of interviews, that he didn't like multiplatform games. He had bad experience with porting over Substance . And he also said MGS was always associated with the PLaystation name and he didn't want to change that. He said MGS4 is build around the PS3's hardware. If he wanted to develope a game for the Xbox360, it would be a complete new game build around the Xbox360 strengths.
And Konami is a Japanese publisher and Xbox360 still doesn't sell that good in Japan. So I think this rumour doesn't hold much water. And everybody knows that PS3 will sell like crazy.
It's an Xbox360 magazine for crying out loud. Maybe they created the rumour.
It's EGM, you moron.
i never liked the mgs games to many long cut sceanes pi$$ed me off . so what ever :)
I will stick with rainbow six and splinter cell, MGS is the same to me
There was a time when MGS would have had a major impact on the console, but the competion for ace games of that elk has hotted up and we're actually spoilt for choice of great games now, well.. Ok, Come Dec we will be.
Wow Che Chou left EGM and the 1up staff? For a position of the Forza development team? Good stuff.
Anyway, I still think it's a possibility for them to pull a late 'Substance/Subsistence' style release for the 360 six months down the road of the original release.
But 1st part games should stay Exclusive i can live with that. I had to with Sega genesis and Snes.
Ya see, It's almost an inevitability that it would come to the Xbox 360, but more like "when" was the question. I can see where Konami is tired of all thngs sony becoming a problem and deciding to give there product to "the people" and not a past reputation.
Besides, it would play and look a hell of alot smoother on the Xbox 360, we all know that.
"Besides, it would play and look a hell of alot smoother on the Xbox 360, we all know that."
Ahh why do you have to do this, were you just itching to make a idiotic comment? Like seriously bro I have a 360 but theirs no way you can back up that rediculous claim. Yes I agree since the 360 controller is better for games like this than your right their but geesh...and I don't know about this I am thinking this is false, I really believe their going to close out the series on the PS and than his next series will be multi-platform, that would make sense, but at the same time if they do bring it to the 360 that's cool cause everyone can play it, but like I said before I have Splinter cell and I am getting rainbow six so I probably wouldn't buy this anyways
I said smoother ,b/c when the ps3 has played it, it's always choppy and freeze framed etc...due to it's limited available free RAM.
Oh ok well I apologize I see what your saying now
Just think about this. When MGS4 releases it's gonna be on a fanbase half the size of the 360's.
I'm not saying this is coming to the 360, I could care less because it's not my kind of game.
I don't really want it to be ported over to the 360, even though I am proud 360 owner. Sony has no real good first party titles coming out anytime soon and there will be many people getting the PS3 just to play this game. If it were on the 360, I believe that sony would not do well this gen and cause the PS3 to potentially be their last console. Without the competition Msoft will not have to try so hard to up their game and in the end we the consumers will lose.
Who would want it on the 360, it doesnt need it as it already has gears of war coming out so the MGS4 would not be able to compare and then lose money because of the lack to sell on the 360.
"Kojima don't like to use CGI movies for his games if you play a Mgs game notice that maybe all the cutscenes and other stuff were made using the the game engine (All the MGS4 trailers were made using the game engine)"...
I was looking all over the internet for this information. You say Kojima never uses CGI and that everything is real time. I understand they may use in game assets.. Can you give the the url where it shows what you saying is a fact.
It's well known that the cinemaatics in MGS since MGS 2 on the PS2 all use the in-game engine. They're spruced up a little bit, but they all use the in-game engine. Google's your friend.
I did and I couldn't find it, "I was looking all over the internet for this information." can you find it? Did you know that talking sh** is congruent to not having prove?
O..M..G... Fine, well, here then: if you try "mgs cinematics engine" you'll magically find a bunch of relevant hits on the first page alone. You can even go past page 1, or try different keywords! GooGLEs soo CoOOL.
when I visited my local gamestop today. Its the second time I see the same employee trying to persuade a consumer to buy a 360, even if the consumer told him that he wanted to wait for the PS3. LOL!! He said that the PS3 was crap and it would lose this time cause 360 was hot, had the best games, graphics, etc. He told the consumer that the PS3 was losing ALL his exclusives: OMG he mention MGS4 as coming to the 360. Then the consumer ask him the realease date on the 360...LOL!!. The employee told the consumer that he doesnt have this info on the computer, but assures and bet his work it would come to 360. LOL!!!. I could care less if it comes rigth now its only a rumor. I have a 360 and Im not into stealty games, even if I had the other 3 MGS games. I lose my interest. But its funny how the guy also mention games as Resistance and Motorstorm also coming to 360. LOL!!! This guy was a fanatic. If I were his boss I fired him, cause he IS damaging gamestop business with his fanatism. Anyway, he also said he feared the Wii would detrone the all mighty 360. LOL!! Personally I like to see fresh content on the 360, not PS3 ports. The same way for the PS3. So the only thing I said is: Of what are you afraid Microsoft that want everything on the 360?? In the position you are rigth now we dont need MGS4 on the 360. I dislike this kind of "NES" monopoly over its 3rd parties. Have fun gamers, and dont be fanatics.
"The optimist believes the PS3 its as good as promised, The pessimits fears it is". We gamers will have fun with them all HAHAHA!!!
You could have used far less "LOL" but I had this same thing when I went to buy GRAW for the 360, the two idiots behind the counter were telling me about how much better the PS3 was and tried arguing with me, it was really damn annoying
yah seriously, I've had people tell me the PS3 was gonna be the bomb. Well guess what, 1 year later, and many exclusives later I found out I made the right choice bar none.
There's a big difference.
MS and the Xbox 360, really is the only true next gen. gaming machine.
Considering when Kojima said that he would never port games to another console. His whole philosophy was that to truly make a great game you must focus on one platform, which I believe to be true.
So I doubt that this is true, the only possible solution is to create an xbox 360 game to it self and that is also doubtful.
360 is actually getting it as an exclusive I heard.
I agree, but you can also say Kojima might think PS3's fanbase isn't big enough to make the profit they want. But in the end You're right Unless they think they can get alot more cash out of it; then it costs to port it.
I think this might not be the best move by Kojima, if this happens to be true. For one, this game has always been on playstation...unless you count the way old one on like...SUPER NINTENDO....but this game, is...and always has been...a playstation game. And even if it does release for Xbox360, it will most likely do much better on PS3 sell wise. Same thing with Halo 3 if for some weird reason it happened to come to PS3, it would probably do much better on xbox 360....but ya know, we can never tell until it happens. For now, however, i hope that MGS4 just stays with the PS3.
Bullsh!t. Metal Gear and Solid Snake Metal Gear II was on MSX platform started.
I still own the MSX-2 and the copies on diskette, so I would know ;)
And MGS 2 has been released on XBOX also. I gues Konami will follow the money
But this is funny.
I'd personally like more games to become multiplatform. $$$ paid exclusives are killing the game scene in my opinion.
But multiplatformers should be developed the way Kojima said: to every console with enough dedication. Not just by porting.
Sonys installed base isn't up to snuff or Sony doesn't pay miliions for an exclusive. You can be sure it will be a timed exclusive for the PS3 , no question. Hey guys they are not in it for PS3 fans they are in it to make money. If this game launches and the 360 has 12 million consoles and the PS3 has 2 million consoles figure it out.
MGS games suck anyways, I hate the third person view. Plus the gameplay blows overall.
"Forget About it".................
Word is MGS4 started development on the xbox 360 dev kit because its easier to use than sony's and it was out long before sony got around to getting the mgs team one.
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