After 13 years of declining value, some Microsoft Corp.investors want Steve Ballmer’s replacement to take bolder steps to reverse the slide at the world’s largest software maker. That could mean spinning off the Xbox video-game business.
It would be my dream come true if SEGA took over the Xbox brand and re-entered the console business with it
I dunno why you would dream of that . Sega is quite bad at manageing its consoles .. and can't even currently manage its own ips bare Yakuza and Miku . I picture them at having even more baffling decisions and issues ... even more so when the competent folks of yore arent even anymore at sega for the most part
sega would be better, I agree.
Oh yeah. Sega should re-enter the gaming business. Back in those days we never heard of fanboys. Since Microsoft introduce that flamewar I suggest they better put on the white flag and exit. Gamers will be united again like before.
Errrr....Sega was in the business before Sony and got put out of the console business. If Sega was any better they would have shown it then.
Agreed. Xbox better go exit. Sega should call the new console SEGA RETURNS.
Ha, I saw this coming a long time. Xbox better proof themselves with ONE otherwise its exit.
"Back in those days we never heard of fanboys. Since Microsoft introduce that flamewar I suggest they better put on the white flag and exit." What , put out those nostalgia googles? Sega was even agressive for its era in ads . The only ingredient missing was the internet to spread the flames of the Nintendo Sega fanboy wars ... then Sony VS Sega . To this day some even blames the ps2 for the Sega's own mismanagement of the initially successful Dreamcast
"We have never retreated from any type of internal development at all, we continue to invest worldwide. Microsoft Studios as an organisation is growing globally. Sure, one of the reasons I was hired is to help grow our European business, that’s why I’m here. And I think we demonstrated some really positive strides with that. So I think we’ve got some amazing talent in our organisation that’s gonna be a great thing for our platform." -Doesn't sound like there are any plans to "spinoff" to me, they are growing.
And what if it is spun off.... I think in many ways that could benefit Xbox as they could completely focus on the Xbox Game platform and not worry about other agendas in the company that need the xbox to comply. Perhaps Sony and Nintendo should be doing what they can to keep Xbox part of MS>
why should Sony & Nintendo worry about anything? your comment was going really well until that awful spin at the end.
True would be a big plus. though to be clear I don't think it would end up being sold to another company, but simply the formation of a separate entity/daughter company by the issuing out of new shares. Simply because it is not really part of their core business and most important because of the low operating margin of the xbox division removing them would mean a higher overall profit margin for Microsoft core businesses. I really hope this happens as this would xbox at least in theory as they can focus more on gamer demands. *only see google or apple interested and having enough assets to even think about acquiring xbox devision.
I hope that a company like Samsung purchase M$'s Xbox division, or another Asian company that manufactures quality hardware
I know most of you hate MS but for the love of God please use your brains .Out of all MS projects (cellphone,tablet,xbox),The Xbox Division is the only profitable department right now .The 360 was in the green during it's life circle even in the RROD days . why in the world would MS sell the one great success stories they had since WINDOWS ?
M$ have lost around 4 billion dollars on xbox. and M$ is a lot more than just phones, tablets and xbox you know. they made a $25b profit for 2012 iirc
It is about as likely as the plague making a return. There is no financial incentive to divest, it would remove the uniform ecosystem MS is trying to achieve, and it removes a viable profit center from the company list of assets. Not to mention that a person with a ONE PERCENT interest in the company can speak up all they like but they do not have as much pool as you may believe. Ballmer alone has more stock than that, and that one percent is a company not an individual.
Anyone who thinks this will happen must bleed Sony
Are all of you xbox fans this ignorant?
Yeah, really. This would benefit Xbox gamers and the Xbox division as well, SliceOfTruth888 really is one horribly insecure Xbox fanboy if he sees this and starts crying about Sony.
heh.. yeah it would really benefit the xbox to be cut off from Microsoft R&D.. dolts.
It may help by focusing on games more entirely, but wouldn't a separation from MS take away Xbox's best features, i.e. Xbox Live and Azure's servers?
Guess some of the share holders must bleed sony.
You must bleed Microsoft I knew this was going to be news once they said he was leaving. Shareholders and other MS execs been begging him to get rid of the xbox division and bing since bing do not make money and like the article says xbox makes money but on their low end. So how is it so hard to believe I'm not dogging on MS but if Ballmer was not CEO MS would have gotten rid of xbox after the original. I'm calling it now I think Google will buy the xbox brand that would be weird lol.
As far as I recall, there was ONE shareholder with a total of 1% of the vote wanting this. Do you have links to stories of more? By the way, Bill Gates owns about 40% (worth 14 billion) and is the majority stockholder. He can veto anything so stop. Ballmer has more than 1%. I don't know the exact percentage but he owns 333.3 MILLION shares worth 10 billion. I would peg him at 35% of the shares in the company. So basically, nothing gets done unless these guys agree to it even if they don't work there.
Er no , Bill Gates has been selling part of his share regularly . When Bill Gates left his day-to-day role at Microsoft, he owned just over a billion shares of the company, about 9.6% of shares. Last i heard he was at 6.4% . The other biggest shareholders are in the 5% ballpark
I sgree that xbox makes money but on their low end what about the playstation who was in the red 80% of it's life circle .Don't you think Sony has a better reason to sell the playstation division compare to MS ? The XBOX was profitable and the PS3 and the vita wasn't who needs the money more ?
Actually, it's more like they must not understand gaming or the gaming market. The Xbox has had a major mess-up every time. The first Xbox was a plain failure. The 360 got bailed out by the combination of Microsoft's deep pockets and of Sony pricing the PS3 a full $200 higher than the Xbox was at that time. The Xbox One jr. is facing a myriad of problems and looks to be on the route to follow the Xbox 1 sr. If the Xbox division were to be spun-off (especially if they do it without Xbox Live which is a different division now) it would either magically become a more competent company or it would promptly go out of business. As the article points out, gaming is a tough business the road is littered with carcasses. I personally think Microsoft needs the Xbox if they are ever going to compete with Android & iOS tablets.
As much as i love the playstation. Microsoft would be crazy to leave the game business, it will only get better for them I think.
They're not leaving man lol. Spinning off the brand is an idea from the investors, because they believe the xbox division might be strong enough to stand on its own. There are complications to that but it aligns with their goal of transforming the company into a services hub.
More like they are tired of make these huge investments to keep the company operational. However, I think the Xbox is the only place where Microsoft has a foothold in a growing market. Assuming, of course, that they don't squander the foothold with ridiculous Xbox One policies.
To much hate at Xbox.. Most close doors.. Or made it manufacture by others company's ala CDI from de past
Didn't they have like 12 billion in revenue last quarter? Hell... I'd love to have a slide like that.. Lol
The losses were greater thsn the revenue.
Not even remotely close.. They turned a massive profit last year.. Financial statements are public record ad they are publicially traded
If they Spin the Xbox...would it fly? I mean an X is just like a helicopter rotor.... Nevermind, this joke went nowhere
I think Samsung should buy it.
Now that would be an interesting turn of events.
I was thinking google but I can see them putting the kinect into there laptops and tv's and moving the game platform to the cloud again on their tv's they were going to put Gaikia on them at the time Sony bought them. @falviousuk I'm not a business expert but I do read about business a lot and do know that a lot of people at Microsoft wanted to get rid of xbox divison a while ago but Ballmer wanted to make xbox live a service outside of gaming. I will try to find a article.
Samsung was rumored to have the most interest in taking the brand over when Microsoft was first toying with the idea, so it could be entirely possible.
I'd rather Apple. consoles would be overpriced but Apple software is impeccable, they never skimp on quality and they have a better knack of knowing what consumers what as compared to Microsoft. the casuals would gobble it up and help put the spotlight back on the industry. that means more money for devs and better 3rd party support/quality (just a theory). Apple would get on the indie bandwagon as well. Samsung don't have much to offer other I think. apart from the Galaxy phones, they don't do anything extraordinary, other than aggressive advertising. I know many hate Apple on this site but I honestly think it would be a great idea. they have some of the brightest, most progressive minds in Silicon Valley
Their lawyers would eventually cause us to see the end of its competitors (Playstation and Nintendo).
N4G the only place on the internet where you will find component experts, hardware experts, software experts and business experts all in one place, and all the same people. Wonder why they arent all of making millions instead of festering on this website.
@falviousuk: "Are you a gaming industry expert of any kind?: Me: NO, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.
Thank you for the laugh!
Your here with us bub.
One of the most ridiculous thing on this site , or any other , is usually when guys rant about it as if they werent part of it to begin with .
Let me get this straight, their suggesting the Xbox division could be sold-off (that's the same as "spinning" it - right?) ... and the main reason being, cause it's a very successful division of Microsoft? Wouldn't the rest of the Microsoft company want to keep it then? Or is it the Xbox division that wants to break free?
i dont think they mean selling it, i would take it as splitting it from the core and having its own identity, as someone earlier said, i think they see the xbox brand as a unit able to stand on its own, which would make sense with all the new restructuring, a bit like Pepsi Co owning Walkers crisps and Quaker Oats
Yeah splitting off different from selling off. They would potentially be their own company.
Well, in that case it sounds like a great idea. The Xbox division in Microsoft is successful enough to warrant it's own department - rather than being underneith "devices and services" grouping games with music, video, and other entertainments.
Its called karma M$.
If EA bought Xbox that would be one super evil super corp! The Umbrella Corp of gaming!
I like the sound of Samsung Xbox One, maybe if/when they take over it will be renamed to the Samsung Galaxy X1.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w... Basically it would make xbox its own company but it would still be owned by the same shareholders as microsoft giving the sharegolders more flexibility in that they can sell or buy xbox stock seperately from microsoft stock. If xbox tanks microsoft could pull out and loose less money than if the devision stayed home and if xbox does well the shareholders would profit more from shares increased value. The only downside to stock holders would be if xbox decided to buy themselves out or an outside company decided to buy them out but in that instance the stock holders would still profit. Buisness wise it would make sense to create distance like this for the share holders of microsoft and it might turn out well for xbox to... or not
Thank you for reading the article and understanding it. It appears a lot of people didn't. This is not necessarily a good or a bad thing for Xbox. This idea was thrown around not too long ago with Sony. Not PlayStation, but their entire electronics division. In that case Sony corporate would show much better financials and the electronics division would get a much needed restructuring at shareholders' hands.
They aren't talking about selling it off, but rather having it be a stand-alone entity. It would probably provide more creative freedom, however I don't think MS does this, as they want to get into as many homes as possible to create a whole environment with their different products, and so the Xbox plays the part of the Trojan horse.
Actually I think many of the investers at Microsoft just want to stick to software sales. If they sell there own hardware bundled with sofrwate at less of a profit than software sales make alone then they would feel bogged down by the although profitable hardware devision. I think this is the discussion coming up at microsoft and if they decide to become a more software based company then who knows what will happen
Not likely at all.
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