Titanfall producer: Getting head-shotted across the map in Battlefield or Call of Duty is “terrible”
Quick kills is part of what makes CoD fun for me. It goes both ways. If they're going to make me empty a clip just to kill an enemy, I hope that they don't have auto-heal.
"...if you play Battlefield or Call of Duty and you get head-shotted from across the map, you have no idea what happened. You’re instantly dead and it’s terrible." It's called being aware of your surroundings. What this developer is trying to say is that in Titanfall, they're trying to dumb down the fps genre even more than CoD already has.
Seriously, if you catch a headshot from across the map, then you know exactly what happened, one, because it doesn't happen often, and two, because you know damn well it wasn't a handgun or a knife that did it.
This. If it is going to be dumbed down I'll probably pass on it. Conquering a learning curve is part of the satisfaction of playing an FPS for me.
if you stay still long enough to get sniped then you deserve it granted COD has that dam split second lock on but on BF3 you realy need to do the math to snipe some one and there's nothing like snipping some one in BF3 from the other side of the map
well they were the original creators and seeing how that worked the first time >.>. Really most of the hype for this game is coming from the free running mech drop stuff which just makes this game reminde me of a mix between COD, the parkour shooter game, and Hawken/ any game where there's mechs.
Considering the player count for both Battlefield and Call of Duty is still incredibly high, I don't think "getting head-shotted from across the map" really bothers all that many people...
Whether or not your aware of your surroundings, that's the point of being a sniper. That is the only reason why you would use a sniper rifle. Quick scoping is just stupid, and using a sniper rifle on COD is just not needed. Maps are small. Titanfall and COD are about silly addons and scoresteaks etc etc. In BF3 for me it's just about getting the shots off.
@solar "Conquering a learning curve is part of the satisfaction of playing an FPS" I always loved that feeling but never quite knew how to put it into words. totally agree with you +1 :)
This is why I don't like the COD series.
Bet you if the game came to PS3/4 it would suddenly be the best game ever. This website disgusts me.
I read the article and I would agree for Call of Duty but in Battlefield, it's a completely different story. In Call of Duty, someone can quickly zoom in and snipe you without needing much time to line up the shot but in Battlefield you actually have to calculate the distance and sometimes be lucky to get a headshot across the map. Battlefield takes more skill so it happens much less often. If they make sniping have a learning curve like Battlefield's, then they don't have to worry about being sniped down all the time. @turgore "Bet you if the game came to PS3/4 it would suddenly be the best game ever. This website disgusts me." You're an idiot. Nobody mentioned the PS3 or PS4 and you end up disrupting valid arguments with your ignorance. Gtfoutta here, you disappoint me, son. Titanfall is a great game from the looks of it, but dumbing down a game more than CoD is an issue and I hope it doesn't happen.
nobody runs with a sniper rifle and does headshots. that's what makes games like call of duty unrealistic. you also have to remember these are videogames and they are supposed to be about having fun. what isn't fun (to me) is having campers who are across the map snipe you while your spawning. titanfall is pure adrenaline and i really hope it does not cater to campers. i'm sure i will get responses suggesting to learn the map, teamwork and yada yada yada to counter campers. titanfall imo is about action and not staying in one spot.
@solar "This. If it is going to be dumbed down I'll probably pass on it. Conquering a learning curve is part of the satisfaction of playing an FPS for me." You seem to not have an understanding of how gun mechanics and gameplay incorporates into skill ceilings. When a game features a low amount of shots required to kill, it shifts the focus in the game to positioning, not aiming and/or movement, since the need to be consistently accurate and/or mobile drops drastically. This is why camping works so well in COD, and to a degree, even in BF. If a player only need around 3 shots to kill out of a 30 shot clip, hell a monkey could do that. You are focusing on one aspect - sniping - which is hardly he focal point of gameplay, and using that as evidence for "dumbing down" a game. Even if they were to remove sniping completely, it still wouldn't dumb down the game, it would just remove a feature and shift the gunplay accordingly. Contrary to what you think, requiring more shots to kill doesn't "dumb down" the game. It may make it less realistic, but in gameplay terms, it actually increases the skill With a low amount of shots needed to kill, it essentially turns the game into, "whoever shoots first wins." How many times have you actually seen a good firefight between players in a game like BF? Like a "real" firefight, with strafing and avoiding fire and maneuverability? it rarely if ever happens, and instead, it' usually one of three cases - player gets killed running to a location. Player gets killed shooting at another target, or players are shooting at each other, both from sort of cover or safe distance. By raising the amount of shots needed to kill, you essentially force the player to have to "earn" his kill, by being consistently accurate with his shots and removing (or substantially crippling) the advantages of camping. It makes the game more about "hunting" down targets, rather tan being able to kill from a safe distance/location. As for shots across the map - it is terrible being killed from a cross the map, because it is a one-sided battle. You have no chance taking that guy out unless 1) you are counter-sniping or 2) you effectively hunt him down. I hear the defense of "being aware of your surroundings," and this is really a weak defense. Being aware of my surroundings? Really?! so that sniper hiding in the bushes 3 football fields away - you knew he was there the whole time, right... it also doesn't matter the amount of skill needed to pull them off. Quickscoping can require skill, that doesn't mean that it cant still be seen as a cheesy/exploitative mechanic. And If Respawn is going for a "true" squad vs squad atmosphere, where all players are contributing and working as a group, then removing long distance sniping (or OSK sniping altogether) could effectively achieve this. They already mentioned they want to base the game around survivability, and removing (overpowered) sniper kills can also achieve this. I am currently involved in the alpha test for Splash Damage's upcoming FPS title, and throughout the process, the feedback from the competitive community has been consistently the same - either increase TTK, decrease ROF, or both, because they know that more shots to kill, better reflects a player skill in battle.
In Battlefields defense, You have to be pretty damn good to compensate for bullet drop... to get headshot across map.
and if youre the one doing it, its really satisfying!
Yeah you actually require some skill in battlefield, cod i assume its the lag compensation ive seen people aim for my groin and get head shots or bullets bengind round the corner and getting me in the head
Hell, they have the killcam to show just exactly HOW crappy a shot someone is in slow motion... obvious bullets nowhere near your body and then you see little impacts on your head shoulders abdomen... aim assist, their "hitbox" and lag compensation... ALL need major adjustments for me to play it again, otherwise I'm BF lifer now. Millions love it, but they lost me.
Oh god yes there was nothing worse than being on your way to the swarm and someone fires a homing bullet at you and that feeling when you review the kill cam god damn
I remember playing Black Ops a while back, and I managed to get a double head-shot through smoke (meaning I took a random, blinded shot lol) with a sniper rifle. I was so proud that I had to save it for theater mode to show off for my friends. When we looked at the replay, outside of the smoke, the bullet trail leading out of my gun had COMPLETELY missed both of the players it killed. It shot right passed the first guy, missing his torso, then went straight into the ground IN FRONT of the second guy. There was even dirt shooting from the ground where the bullet hit. Yet somehow, on the kill feed, it showed two head-shots...
... but you're probably not contributing to the team if your shots are travelling the length of the map.
Depends on the game mode really. On Rush of course not. Unless you plant a spawn beacon close to the area and then rush back. On conquest it actually helps. You can pick off people on Alpha from Charlie or Delta. If you are really good.
Don't take my disagree as a negative! But people, me included, do play our "own" way a lot of the time, not concerned necessarily with team work. Though having more players than ever should remedy some of that. Also, NOT being killed and marking targets is useful. And even when I "help" the team specifically, I create my own objectives, like save this guy or hold down these guys to give my a squad a chance to survive or revive someone else, or distract this tank, this and that. I couldn't really care less about objectives until they give objectives some real value beyond being spawn points and preventing bleeding of tickets. Which, I can't be certain of, I believe will come into play in BF4 and might have something to do with the Commander's abilities to help ground forces in some additional ways. I always wish objectives could be fortified, and "built up" to make it more difficult for people to retake them. Larger numbers would make this possible, but doubt it will change much... Like if you take an objective an ally-only ammo box will appear there and replenish every 60 seconds or something, or two minutes. Enemies should have to destroy certain things to "fully" retake the position and engineers fortify it. IDK just ideas :)
I'm spotting for days, that's how you get your SPM up. Currently at 406, which is pretty good considering I play on PS3 without spamming TDM.
Not necessarily... Maybe if you mean literally across map, but I play Recon mostly and I support my team while long range sniping (sometimes as far as some 500m). Sure, I'm not capturing objectives myself being so far away, but I'm usually providing information I see from my vantage point, protecting objectives (specially in Rush and CTF), coordinating ambushes and/or spotting vehicles with laser designator. Of course it won't work in every situation... In fact, although I play mostly with Recon class, most of the time it's as marksman rather a proper sniper, or just go with SMG/Shotgun for small maps. And obviously I'm aware you meant those plenty of people who just love going to some far away and high place to get "easy" kills from where the enemy can't easily reach 'em while the rest of the team is getting its ass kicked.
getting head shot across the map with a weapon designed for shooting at someone's head over a long distance it not really "terrible" Getting head shot across the map with an smg that should not have sniper rifle level accuracy ... that is annoying !
On one of the BF3 DLC maps my friend got a head shot on someone at the top of the map I believe it was the Alborz Mountains map with the human tower and he shot him with a 870mcs Shotgun with slugs from 750 meters out we laugh like little school girls when we saw the kill feed.
@regis- yes slugs are a bit broken on bf3 ... You can snipe with them
That's a good point. Also, regarding this point about spawn points, didn't the first MP video of titanfall show the guy getting loads of kills as soon as the drop pod landed? That didn't strike me as fair.
Totally agree. Where as in COD, there are people getting headshot 1sec after spawning simply by jumping, or spinning around, or some stupid stuff. I agree with the Developer that getting killed by a headshot moments after the game starts, in Call of Duty, is terrible.
It's the best feeling in the world to get a long headshot in BF, because you watch the bullet drop.
sniping is awesome
Its a great feeling though...and if someone gets me...hats off! Don't get me wrong, titanfall looks badass but isn't there an auto pistol that locks on to up 3 enimies with headshots. Imagine how annoying that will b.
Funny. Who this producer thinks had made COD like that?
It's so terrible yet you could do it in COD 4 and MW the games your studio founders/most workers created. And like RadioActiveTwinky mentioned you need a bit of skill with BF in COD bullets travel straight.
Very true. That's what I don't like about KZ the sniper bullet travels straight. I like having to work hard for my sniper kills.
Getting used to the bulletdrop in bf was so much fun and then mastering it to be able to get a headshot from 3 quarters of a mile away was a really great feeling. I also remember a lot of camping in cod because of the small maps.
Not sure if you are referring to KZ3, which I didn't play much of, or KZ2. In KZ2 there was bullet drop at long distances, plus one would have to take into consideration the time it took for the bullet to travel across the map.
Is "head shotted" really the way to say that? Seems odd... Anyway, dying like that in CoD isn't the same at all as dying that way in BF. CoD has some of the smallest maps around, so "across the map" doesn't mean anything special. It's a joke that sniper rifles even exist in the game. Dying that way in BF is more of a testament to the shooter's skill.
Titanfall is currently at half the pre orders of Knack the so I reckon this dude as bigger problems to worry about.
Knack looks pretty bad in my opinion and most people are probably buying it on PC anyway haha
most people think knack looks better. that's why more people preordered knack than titanfall. fact.
We need good platformers again, don't hate on knack, at least he took a chance!
Well I read the playstation magazine and they literally shot down knack and said there was almost zero challenge and the action button did absolutely everything they to be honest put me off it
Knack is a launch title and Titanfall doesn't have a release date...
Destiny comes out next year, probably even later than titanfall and yet it has more pre order numbers. Titanfall has more press, and marketing and has more numbers. That's not really reassuring. Most gamers who own a 360 should know about titanfall and COD fans should be the first to pre order, I guess not.
knack also has more pre-orders than Infamous Second Son, Uncharted 4, Halo 9, Half-Life 3. What was your point again?
This guy thinks people won't be getting magic headshots in Titanfall must be on some kinda drug. It happens in every FPS at some point when someone dedicates their life into having perfect aim across the map it will happen here as well.
Watch they make bullets vanish after traveling like 3 meters.
Makes sense, 3 meters is about the entire length of a cod, cod clone map.
Getting sniped in the foot from 2 feet away and dying is much worse....dont you think Activision?
Maybe it hit the Achilles tendon? :O
He he he :-) i hate that quick scoping crap
News flash: You will still get killed across the map in Titanfall.
Respawn must be really happy that they went with MICROSOFT now hey lol.
Getting ___shotted by an AWP in CS, no matter how far away, is awful. BF2/BC2/3 and CoD_ weren't nearly as bad.
Sounds to me like the producer gets sniped in those games and is still crying about it till now lol
Is Titanfall still only 6v6 with all the rest bots? I want to play it but I do think they are aiming to make this game even more casual friendly than Cod.
Those who can get a headshot from across the map in BF3 can. Those who can't talk about how it sucks. And aren't most of the guys over at Respawn the original Infinity Ward ? If so he has some cojones talking about other games after shitting out Call It Doodie year after year and will probably due the same with Titanfall.
I don't know what Battlefield he's been playing but I can't remember getting headshot like that except by a sniper in BF3. Now... COD their beloved game has been having that happen since COD 4
First comment on this website. I've played countless matches of battlefield (rush) where the team that's attacking will be 75% made of snipers hiding in brush at the edge of the map. I feel they contribute very little to the team. I choose to play COD because of these battlfield headshot thrill seekers.
Dude u just need to find better servers ... No team ever wins that way .. Bf motto is ptfo or gtfo
Well to fair, in Battlefield getting a head shot from across the map takes a good amount of skill. And if he thinks gamers won't find cheap exploits in Titanfall, he's in for a bad time.
Right yeah and so is being killed after 15 secs of spawning i'd rather be shot in the head by a skilled sniper than some prat sat in a corner near a spawn zone.
I'd rather neither. And Titanfall can GTFO too.
Am I the only one who thinks titanfall is kind of like killone 3 multiplayer? Except with brink's smart movement and worse graphics.
It takes skill to shoot somebody in the head from a distance, especially if they're moving. If TitanFall is going to be the game where you pump 10 rounds into somebody and their still alive running around, then TitanFall is not the game for me. I will stick with Battlefield.