Microsoft possibly looking into reselling digital games via incoming Xbox One Digital Market Place
Pre-owned digital content? Is it just me or is this the dumbest rumor yet. Why would MS let you buy a preowned copy of a perfectly intact digital download? It would be good for us to perhaps to get cheaper games, and make money back once we finish digital content. Still this sounds impossibly strange to me. No way. Those survey questions could have easily been in relation to when MS was planning the DRM style digital trade in. It makes no sense anymore. Regardless a survey is a survey, not plans. Companies conduct surveys to get data about random shit they never use all the time, like Starbucks branded tie making machines.
It is a rumor started by the infamous CBOAT of Neogaf. So take it with a grain of salt.
CBOAT is a well known name in the gaming circle.... so we can expect some inside details from him on Xbox One....
Well its not entirely unlikely, micro has hinted at doing something like this with their original policies, I think CBoat is just smart enough to realize what is likely to happen, he makes a bunch of educated guess's and see what sticks. vvvv yeah he uses search's of info floating around and then portrays it as insider knowledge, spin it if it doesn't happen or is debunked.
Wow! If true, then boy Microsoft have won next gen...IF TRUE! But as you said, with a grain of salt this should be...a spec more like it. @ -Alpha Yes, very reasonable indeed. seasonal sales on old games goes down? on console?! Whaaaa???
Just to be clear, CBOAT confirmed that this information was a survey given to MS by a third party and shows this is a possibility for next gen.
Keep in mind that the rumour associates a "fee" to trade in. That fee is then split between MS and the publisher. If used games will continue to exist, and if digital sales are being pushed, it'd be smart to control and profit off of this market while cutting out the middle man (Gamestop). Seems reasonable to me.
if you'd been paying attention, you'd know that this was part of microsoft's original plan for the xbox one, before their 180. i figured that without the always-on requirement they couldn't figure out a way to make it work, but maybe they did.
Odds are Microsoft is going to do this. They were planning to do this back when they had their DRM plans. This was the plan all along. They wanted to lock all of the Xbox gamers into selling their games back to and through Microsoft and no one else. But the ownership questions are still the same as they were with a physical disc. If I can sell my digital game back to Microsoft why can't I sell it to my friend? If I can sell my digital game back to Microsoft, why can't I give it to my cousin? My brother? My son under his Xbox live account that I pay for? Looks like they haven't changed their plans at all; they just need time to accumulate more market share before they launch their restrictions again. Allowing the free trading of digital copies of games is going to suck so much money out of gaming that it will threaten to break the gaming industry. Imagine being able to sell your game as easy as sending a friend request. Imagine finishing a game and them selling it immediately online to any one on your friends list, or any friend of a friend. Game sales will fall through the floor. This is high school economics 101. It's all about efficient vs. inefficient markets. Follow me for a few paragraphs, and I will explain the reason why Microsoft wants to prevent Xbox owners from selling their games to another person. Microsoft wants to make the market efficient by forcing all games to be digital. If they have their way, all distribution will happen over the internet via computers and downloading with no human intervention other than the end-buyer and the end-seller. This will make the act of trading a game very cheap. This will also allow FAR fewer copies of any given game to service the same number of people. The market won't need 15 million copies of Call of Duty to satisfy demand. There will be like a million used copies for sale online the day after it releases as people beat it and immediately put it up for sale. Everybody with the internet and an Xbox would be able to go online and buy a used game from another person. This easy trading would cause new games sales to fall, used game sale to rise, and used game prices to dro. This would rapidly shrink the games market. Game publishers would foresee this drop and stop it by bailing out on the Xbox unless Microsoft did something to stop. But Microsoft had already planned it out. Microsoft wants to make the market artificially inefficient by forcing all transactions to go through them and only through them or people they hand-pick. This would not be necessary as a person online can sell a game to another person just as easy as he could sell it to Microsoft. BUT MICROSOFT WANTS ALL GAMES SALES ON THEIR PLATFORM TO GO THROUGH THEM SO THAT THEY CAN SET THE PRICE ON BOTH ENDS. This will prevent normal supply and demand from setting the price. Microsoft will earn the spread on each game sold. This is the only way the the publishers would get on board. Microsoft is setting itself up to be a monopoly on both ends of the used games market. They would be the only seller AND the only buyer of a used game. (BTW, the word for a market with one buyer is "monopsony", no pun intended) I had hoped that when they backtracked on their DRM that they had also abandoned this plan. If they actually do this then it proves that they have not. If you buy into this you are a fool.
They intended to allow you to "gift" a digital purchase to someone as long as they had been on your friends list for at least 30 days.
Cutting out GameStop or the middleman wouldn't ruin the gaming industry. It'll revolutionize it. It might ruin GameStop. They're trade in prices aren't fair anyway. F'em.
Microsoft is taking us from beneath the monopoly known as GameStop... that's all i need to know and want.
@ both of you above me Are some of you really in that much of a hurry to move from Gamestop to Microsoft and 3rd party publishers's control? It'll just be one monopoly over another and whos to say much will change anyway? this is microsoft we're talking about they charge for everything and the likes of EA/Activision/Capcom having a huge say in such policies makes me shiver in fear. There will be no competition in such a market place as there are no other options. Atleast on PC you have many digital marketplaces to compete.
Folks I do have a degree in business, and this is simple economic theory so I know what I'm talking about. This isn't fanboy-talk, this is hardcore business, albeit simple. It's about controlling the number of buyers and the number of sellers and how those two meet to transact. It's not really about cutting out the middle man. If lots of buyers can meet up with lots of sellers and each can negotiate their own price, then 1) each buyer can choose from lots of willing sellers, AND 2) each buyer will choose to buy from the lowest price available, AND 3) each seller will have to offer his product for the lowest price he can afford to if he wants to sell it. That means all goods sell at the price dictated by their true supply and demand. That is what economists call an efficient market.\ The best example of this would be a stock market. Stocks trade at their true value and the only spread between the bid and ask price is small and represents the cost of doing business, not exorbitant profits. Microsoft could do this with the Xbox and its digital games. But if they did... 1) the amount of used game trading on the Xbox would skyrocket because used games would be available in mass 1 or 2 days after launch and everyone would have to lower the price in order to sell them. 2) All the new games would be overpriced by comparison and no one would buy them, either their sales would drop or the publishers would have to cut the prices in order to compete. This would be like a stock market or Ebay. The people who run the publishers have a business degree like I do. They will foresee this before it happens just like I am. They will jump ship and kill the Xbox before they allow Microsoft to set up their digital marketplace like this, therefore Microsoft won't even try to do it this way. Microsoft will set up their digital marketplace to be restrictive. They won't let individuals sell to one another, and the only place to buy or sell will Xbox Live, or another portal that agrees to pay them a fee. They will set prices on both ends.
Someone has there head in the "clouds"
I guess that's better than having it in the groin area of a certain company.
You mean all these Xbots with Micro$haft?
it will be cool if this was true..i know im not alone with this. Now i can trade in my UNO arcade game thats been sitting there for 1 year for some marketplace credit. this just an example
This is one rumor that I hope is really, really true. This would be a true game changer (pun intended). I would hope that the trading or reselling frees are as high as GameStop. But it they take 15% or so of the sale, that is way better than having a dead game just taking up space on my Hard drive when I could trade towards something else.
No you don't want this to happen, either. You just haven't thought it through. This would simply set the stage for Microsoft to be the only seller and the only buyer.
Um...you can still buy the retail disc...and do whatever the F you want with it. As of now...we can't do ANYTHING with our digital copies of games. Now we might be able...where are losing?
Like theWB27 said below: There is no one else doing it. Right now when you buy digital it is valued at $0 when you are done with. Even if you only played the game for an hour then realize you just don't like it. You saying I have not thought this through is really funny to me. I have been asking for this my the day Xbox One was revealed. So yeah, I have thought about it plenty. If M$ announces this at Plax, you will see how exciting this will be for gamers. I suspect that Sony and Steam will follow suite within a week. You guy need to stop disagreeing with stuff because it is proposed by M$ and start thinking how it will benefit you rather than worry about if Sony will win some war.
MS can give you $1.02 for your $60 purchase. It's like saying to MS; here you can have your DRM back.
Alright Alright. Enough with the dislike. I'll raise it to 1.05...
This doesn't sound good for Gamestop. Seems like MS wants to slowly work their way back to an all digital gaming world. Selling your digital games sounds like a good idea though.
It would be cool if Gamestop setup a online infrastructure that works along side MS to trade digital games. Gamestop Online Trade In System. So that way nobody will get screwed. But then again that's just wishful thinking.
Hard to think they would still get a piece of the pie if things went digital. Gamestop has been taking profits from the gaming industry so they wouldn't be to eager to include them in online trading.
Microsoft doing this will make gaming worse. Gamestop makes gaming better.
Gamestop and not getting screwed? ....whatever you say hahahahaa What are you gamestop reps?
Okay so why would anyone buy new digital content when you can buy it "used".. which by the way isn't possible. Data can't be new or used. Its just data.
Plenty of gamers want their game of choice the first day it is released. Just look at the GTA V pre-orders. The could wait a few months for a price drop but they choose to pay extra to enjoy now. Why not give gamers the right to sell their copy regardless if it is digital or physical.
Its not the data that is sold 'used' but the game's unique Key/License.
The ridiculousness of this idea (especially buying a 'used' Digital copy) is the infinite availability of creating new codes. The main reason 'used' Keys though could be bought is that attached to the Game could be any and all DLC purchased for a particular License (linking Main game+DLC Licenses and transfering it all at once). So in theory you could see a particular game increase in 'value' as a single person or even multiple previous owners had the game and bought more and more items for it. The logistics could be frustrating but not impossible--even proving the tagged items wouldn't be that hard as could simply have a checklist attached in the description (sort of like how Steam has checklists for many games with DLC so you don't buy same thing multiple times). Its much more likely though it would be a more simple feature if it does ever go anywhere. People will sell their games for small Returns which can only be used for XB/MS Store purchases and any used game is a simple transfer of original License. DLC linking/transfer is probably technically possible but likelihood of it passing muster is practically zero at this point (Publishers would be hard pressed to accept even Digital used market but they would want the DLC carrot to stick around to cover losses). The important thing to consider though with a feature like this isn't just about the ability to resell Digital games but that the same mechanics could be used to allow new ways of playing/using Digital games in the future. Allowing License transfers you could trade, gift, or even rent Digital games eventually if the idea became widely accepted. I'm still not really expecting it though but I'm sure some company somewhere will take off with a similar idea some day. When I have no idea but as big as Digital is becoming companies will want to find new ways to sort of entice the skeptics as Physical is still here to stay for quite some time. It may not be enough to convert them but giving consumers a few more options never hurt.
I think its a great idea(if it actually becomes true)..but I wanna know if its the buyer who will fix the price and how would the income be split btw Ms,the publisher and the owner of the game? Cos earlier on when ms announced the drm they said they would not be charging anything from the sales of used games.it would be the publisher and the owner of the game who would share the proceeds....never the less if this is true then most publishers would love the idea...
This could be metagon if true the first digital stores to allow resell and purchase of pre-owned content. Man sounds damn good but I wonder how the pricing will be for this seeing as how that is no quality degradation for digital content. This sounds too good to be true but then again companies like amazon. apple have are trying to work it out atm and EA just recently allowed the trade in off games within a period of a week.
wasn't this one of the abilities that was hyped when they initially launched the console only to rule it out now that the 24 hour check in is gone?
Yes and No. It was because the implementation was using physical copies that were turned into digital copies while this just refers to digital content as they are. This doesn't affect physical copies in anyway while MS's pre 180 polices restricted who you can trade/sell physical copies to. Also MS policies looked like it was made by them themselves while this seems to be a survey made by publishers/developers as it is not platform specific.
I'd expect a more straightforward program. Digital trades towards new digital purchases. Get X amount of credit to give up your license, which then can be used towards digital purchases in the future.
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