Gamespot: Corporate vice president Phil Harrison says Xbox One and Kinect are not separate systems, no plans to release console without the motion- and voice-control technology.
And yet another reason why I'm not buying it. Plus, I could feel the cocky attitude already resurfacing.
"Microsoft: "Xbox One is Kinect"" It doesn't have to be, but they are really betting the farm here trying to make it this way
That's great that they want to believe in it and all, but if that's the case, why even give it such an awful name like Xbox One? And if it IS Kinect, why change its need to be plugged in? I know they've gotten backlash for it, but how are you going to sit there and say that those two products go hand in hand when I can basically throw the camera in the trash and still use the One now? What kind of twisted, complex message is that?
A lot do not want Kinect, I don't see why they are forcing it in the console bundle and not having a seperate system cheaper. Why can't i just but the console with a pad and a game, chill on the sofa and blast friends in the face?
@tony it may seem twisted but they are doing the same thing sony is doing. Meaning that saying the system 'doesnt' have to do this or that appeases to a certain crowd. in reality though, they emphasize on the benefits of it doing this or that because its what they 'hope' the majority will do. an example would be sony saying you dont need to be online to play games. Very simple and basic and well received BUT they want you to be online playing games. they talked more about all the fun that being online gave you with social interaction and video sharing and what-not. That too could be construed as a twisted message but the rational thinkers know it was marketing spin because who in their right mind is going to buy a next gen internet ready device to have it literally sit offline? the ps3 was reported to be the most internet connected device. do you really think sony would want to 180 themselves on that feat? They are COUNTING on people buying the ps4 and getting online with it. And yes i know the difference between always online and online when it is required. this is about online in "general". so with Ms, now saying you dont need kinect connected is trying to appease those who were concerned. but all the benefits of the system point to having kinect connected. All the ui features and social interactions and the games that have subtle kinect features. Both companies say one thing but they really are pushing for the other. it is typical marketing spin. nothing more nothing less. i for one will have my ps4 online AND i will have my kinect connected because i know that is the original vision for both platforms.
"Xbox One is Kinect" ... is what's literally all they have left of their so called "vision" of the future... Well maybe TV too. : /
I'm not going to criticize the kinect until I use it. It may seem like an unnecessary addition until you use it. Maybe not though, I'm probably going to spend $500, and regret the whole thing. I'd never know unless I tried it though.
Another statement for them to do another 180 on further down the line. The people at Microsoft are clowns.
@darthv72: The problem with your reasoning is that where Sony made allowances for offline, they realized from the very beginning that 24/7 access would be impossible for some. So while they promote all of the benefits of online, they have accounted for offline. Something which MS didn't even consider when they first announced their system, and a factor which still remains despite all of the changes they've made. As for Kinect proving itself, it hasn't. It was forced on XB1 in attempt to get devs to make games for and prove it, but Kinect itself hasn't shown any real benefits past what could have been done with a headset mic.
i dont understand peoples reasoning in seeing this as a bad thing. people tend to be so close minded. the reason that kinect has become a definitive part of the system is to encourage developers to take advantage of the technology now that there is the incentive to do so with the entire xbox one market poised to take advantage. the reason they took away the demand for it to be plugged in is merely for privacy issues. cynical individuals tend o be paranoid and being able to unplug it when you so desire douses that fear. the kinect program for xbox one is microsoft taking a full measure into an attempt at true innovation at the hardware level ala iPhone to iPad, or 2d to 3d, black and white to color. im not claiming to know the future here or putting the kinect on a pedestal but rather than bash some new technology for simply being in its state of infancy i'd rather give it the best chance to blossom. not all ideas are great, not all of them work but how will we ever know if we don't see them through? for what its worth i believe that we are on the cusp of something truly innovative and we've yet to see what this technology can truly bring. its not gonna happen for launch, its too brand new as an integrated accessory. but now that developers can count on every xbox one having a kinect at its disposal, i bet we're going to begin to see some really unique experiences in gaming in the coming years. all this coming from someone who is gonna be a day one owner ps4 and xbox one. why be a sony fanboy or an xbox fanboy when you can be an adult about it and enjoy both amazing systems in all their glory.
"Xbox One is Kinect" ^^^If a company told me that and I hated Kinect I would stop following what they are doing and just not buy a X1 because obviously their vision is at odds with my preferences. Thats what normal folks who use logic do. You see but the same haters STILL follow Kinects every move because they are worried Kinect just might be a huge factor in making X1 successful and guess what their console of choice does NOT have kinect, what it has is a peripheral camera that cant match kinects tech even if it were included but its not so THEY KNOW its going to be treated like a every other console peripheral before it=half hearted gimmicky support, so love kinect or hate it because its not the best thing since slice bread but no one can say they are not trying to do things differently while still giving us great traditional core experiences. Make no mistake for the haters who spend much of their time downplaying kinect this isn't about them not wanting an X1 because of kinect, this IS about them not wanting X1 owners to enjoy the benefits/options we will get because of microsofts commitment to kinect. ENVY is a cruel emotion.
Good. It'll keep the box priced high and give Sony the edge.
@Jokesonyou Totally not true bro, I 100% don't hate or envy your xbone kinect at all, matter of fact I hope you get your moneys worth and enjoy the shit out of Kinect! so wave, yell, scream, poke, pause and even clap the hell out of the thing man! yeah! ;-)
$100 dollar price difference.... For that price difference this is what you get! 1. A console that recognizes you & your controller and anyone else who plays with you on your console 2. A console that you can connect your cable tv to and you can seamlessly switch between tv, to game, to Skype, all with your voice. That includes changing channels, receiving game invites while watching tv or a movie and instantly snapping to them....with your voice. 3. A console that can scan a 3d model of yourself into any game that chooses to use that feature. 4. A console that can read your heart rate and facial expressions while playing a game. 5. A console that can use full body motion control, hand gesture motion, controller movement tracking, finger tracking, to any game that chooses to use any or all of those features. 6. A console that can Skype with anyone wether it be with a phone, computer, etc...OH and in 1080p. 7. A console that have any game use voice commands...example playing an rpg and instead of clicking on multiple choices on how to reply but you can actually just say what you want, or like the last elder scrolls game had...when you want to equip a weapon, you simple say equip sword & shield...or equip fire spell...etc...That was commands that worked last gen...I can only imagine how voice commands could work with next gen games. These are features that separate the xbox one from the ps4 OUT THE BOX. These are features that developers can use knowing that every console purchased has a Kinnect. These are features that are well worth 100 dollar difference. And for gamers who want a box with ONLY UPDATED GRAPHICS....Sony has created the ps4 with you in mind. Only problem is you will be missing out on not only next gen graphics, but the full next gen immersive experience. Oh and a few blockbuster games like: Halo Gears of War TitanFall Dead Rising Ryse Forza And the list goes on! Sony is a company that couldn't afford to take risks with their ps4. They had to play it safe. They have been losing money and when your desperate...you stick with the status quo... I'm not saying that's bad...its good for gamers because they get a cheaper system that is basically the ps3.5. Or the IndieStation 4. Microsoft is mega rich, they can afford to take risks and push the limits of the tech and gaming industry... Personally, I'm glad they are doing it. I'm excited about the xbox one and all the EXTRA stuff it does on top of having 10x better graphics than the xbox 360. I was happy with the graphics on the 360, from the reactions to gamers who have played TitanFall & other xbox one games, graphics and fun new gameplay will be on the xbox one. People who say people don't want kinnect....that's your opinion. This is what I know, people want the xbox one, thus the reason it has already broke the xbox 360 launch records and we are a couple months from launch... Whether the ps4 is selling more is completely irrelevant. As long as the xbox is selling well, hardcore gamers win with true next gen tech. The graphics game will always be won by super computers....but real gamers understand that it takes more than having a little bit better graphics to make a great game....Gameplay & next gen experiences make a great game as well. "Little" differences mean very little when it comes to which console will have the best next gen experiences. X Xbox one not only separated itself from the ps4, but also high end computers. KINNECT
@elitegamer24 u know if u had not said indie station 4 u would have sold me on Xbox. I was like dang this guy is right and ur still right about all those pluses but then ur attitude just turned me off. U could have said everything u said about Xbox without being negative about ps4. Just sayin
If MS listened and removed Kinect, the Xbox One would just be a barely upgraded Xbox 360 with a little more pixels on screen i.e. it would be a PS4. If that is all I wanted, then I would get a PC. It's graphics is superior NOW to whatever Xbox One or PS4 can dish out in three months!
@Elite24Gamer everything you just named only matters out of the box, seeing as the ps4 eye can do every single thing you named. the only exceptions are 2 & 5. you pretty much say sony had to play it safe because they're broke? no. they just know not everyone is going to want those features, and thus, made the camera completely optional. also, you say "for $100" yet you mention skype features which are locked behind xblg, so really it's $150 difference. and the tv integration features, which require an extra peripheral to use. so it's not $100, you HAVE to factor those things in. not to mention, MS say themselves that "some OneGuide features" will require xblg as well. you're totally wrong in this regard. as for "indiestation 4", don't be so arrogant as to think indies don't matter. indies are the reason i'm choosing ps4 over xbox one, and i'm sure plenty of other people can say the same. let's not forget one of the biggest AAA studios (ND) started as an indie dev. even activision started as an indie dev, you know, the company responsible for the selling of the biggest franchise in gaming right now? i love when people try to sh*t on indies, when half of the games they love to play wouldn't exist if it weren't for them. people love to believe the xbox one has tons of advantages over ps4, but in reality, that's just not accurate. for $100 more, all you're getting is a camera that, at launch, you can't use for much until you pay an extra $50. if you're willing to pay $100-$150 more for voice commands and control over your tv, more power to you. buy what pleases you. just don't try to make it seem like for $100 more you're getting phenomenal features that set your console of choice way above the competition when in reality, you're paying at least $150 to get said features, and even then, it's only 2-3 features you're actually receiving that the competition doesn't have. note: i'm talking in general here. for $100 less, you get: 1) a console that actually let's you be social with your friends without paying for a subscription service. this includes ps4's social features, as well as skype. 2) a console that actually let's you record footage of YOUR games, using the console that YOU bought without paying for a subscription service. 3) a plethora of f2p games that don't require a subscription service to play. 4) a console that let's you access tons of media options without the need to pay for a subscription service. 5) a console that let's you upgrade your HDD to have more space for game installs and content. (let's just say a console that offers more options overall) 6) a console that you can actually buy at launch if you're in a specific country. 7) a console with more raw power and a more innovative controller. this greatly increases potential. especially the controller. (this is a bragging point of kinect) 8) in its first year, a console with 20 exclusives vs 15 for xbox one. (who knows how much exclusive content for multiplats?) 9[theoretical]) a console with a larger community. sure, you can say that we don't know yet because neither console has sold yet, but. let's do some thinking here. it's widely rumored/believed the ps4 is out-selling the xbox one in pre-orders, plus it's released in far more countries. chances are, the community will be larger at launch.
Xbox One is Kinect...until April.
the question is why though why force a peripheral on people who don't want it
It's the MSMF! (MicroSoft Marketing Force) "true innovation" "black and white to color" "cusp of something truly innovative" "unique experiences in gaming" "full next gen immersive experience" "push the limits of the tech and gaming industry" "hardcore gamers win with true next gen tech" "real gamers understand" "best next gen experiences" I feel like I should be reading this on PRWeb.com @Voodoo: "cynical individuals tend o be paranoid" "Cynical, paranoid" individuals like David Petraeus. "Spies will no longer have to plant bugs in your home - the rise of 'connected' gadgets controlled by apps will mean that people 'bug' their own homes, says CIA director David Petraeus." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/... NSA Admits: Okay, Okay, There Have Been A Bunch Of Intentional Abuses, Including Spying On Love Interests https://www.techdirt.com/ar... Don't be a shmuck. @JOY: "Thats what normal folks who use logic do." It's so cute how people on the interwebs throw around the word "logic" as if it's some kind of trump, regardless of its applicability or lack thereof. What if someone wants to play the flagship Xbox exclusives, but doesn't want to pay $100 (or more, considering some rumors) for a Kinect? What's your "logical" solution to that query? Oh right... #DealWithIt "blah blah blah haters are scared blah blah" Mm-kay guy. @Elite: 1: That's a negative for me. 2: I barely watch TV and I don't like talking to electronics. 3: It remains to be seen how accurate a model can be generated. Rivals makes a relatively loose cartoon representation. I do think mocap for taunts or victory dances etc could be an amusing application, but I haven't seen anything from a technical standpoint that indicates the PS4 cam couldn't do the same. 4: Have no interest. In fact, I consider it a negative. 5: Again, the PS4 cam can do most of that. What's ironic is that by trying to get devs to implement Kinect features to justify the sensor, I don't see why the devs wouldn't also just port over any of those features that could also be accomplished with the PS4 cam, or supplement them with the DS4 touchpad. And people are underestimating the touchpad... it's essentially adding the equivalent of a dozen more buttons to the controller. 6: Nice, if you use Skype. Vita has Skype... maybe PS4 will get it, maybe not. I don't use Skype, so I don't really care. 7: And why exactly can't the PS4 cam (or any other microphone, for that matter), do voice commands again? And I'm curious... was the SNES just a NES 1.5? Get off this "PS3 with better graphics" garbage already. There have been upgrades in pretty much every aspect of the console, including their own camera (can the monoscopic Kinect take 3D pics and video? The stereoscopic PS4 cam can). A fancy camera (sorry... "sensor") is hardly the be all end all definition of "next gen."
I wonder how much I can trade it in for at Gamestop on Day One? Will it even work on a different system or is it locked??
You have no intention of buying it so why even ask?
Probably not for much, considering it's a packin with all consoles. Most likely you'll get more for it when the inevitable Kinect-less bundle appears down the line.
I doubt Gamestop will buy it since anyone who wants one will have it already.
Gamestop may not even buy it from you considering EVERY XBOX ONE will have it and most won't need to buy a replacement.
@ replies to THamm above... We'll see how much extra the Kinect 2.0 adds as it'll have to be sold as a replacement part at some point, unless it comes with a 10 year new-for-old guarantee.
They should offer like a $10 or $20 credit to take the Kinnect out of the box, and just sell them to a tech recycler for parts. I bet people would bite.
I understand not wanting to be forced to buy something but I can't understand why somebody wouldn't want to be able to talk to their game system and have it recognize faces. Think of how difficult it is to message ppl, get a party together or just plain navigate through your digital games now. I personally hate the fact that I have 3 remotes on my nightstand for Xbox, TV and cablebox. "Xbox on" -> "Xbox watch Comedy Central"-> "Xbox play halo" sounds much better to me than the crap I have to go through now. I know it's like the "in" thing to hate on kinect but the fact is whether you realize it or not, you and everybody else on this forum will be using something like the kinect to control your living room in the next ten years. It's just a better way to find things, navigate your systems, get friends together and communicate while maximizing game time and ease of use. Or you can keep dealing with that deal it xbox guide, ps3 guide and typing text messages during a game and getting yourself killed 4 times because it takes 30 mins
Could someone care to explain who made the Kinect? Where does it come from? Also why people Do Not trust it nor MS? You will find your answer, MS signed a deal that it cannot back out of, that's why they won't remove it, that's why they are jumping ship and bailing out ASAP. I am going to buy it since they made Kinect not mandatory. Pubs may still force you to plug in to play games though, so that may be the hook
you do realize you can do voice commands without the need for a $100 camera, right? microsoft just loves to force their tech on people. cough, windows 8, cough. as for facial recognition, any camera can do it, and any hd camera can do it really well. you have 2 remotes for tv and cable? uh. you don't know how to program a remote for both?
If XB1 "is Kinect", then what are the 80% of people who won't use it actually playing their games on ?
Please tell me how Sony hasn't been cocky lately?
Sony have been going about and doing their business. Sure, they have little jabs here and there, but both companies do it. Cocky Sony was 2005/2006 Sony. It's certainly not the same Sony who are launching the PS4.