Are Forza 5's physics better than Gran Turismo 6? 'Just do the math', says Turn 10

Forza Motorsport 5's physics engine "wouldn't have been possible with last generation hardware", Turn 10 creative director Dan Greenawalt has claimed, telling to "just do the math" when asked whether Forza 5's physics will be more realistic than those of upcoming PS3 racer Gran Turismo 6.

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dazzrazz1550d ago

I'm not even gonna bother reading because I already know there is gonna be a lot of PR bullshit talk about cloud and how cloud is the future of gaming...

malokevi1550d ago

The cloud was not mentioned once within the whole article.

Typical Sony fanboy dismissive perspective. We get it, you hate Microsoft, moving along now...

Mario181550d ago

Oh watch out guys Turn 10 is competing with a ps3 game. The cloud and the physics! Beware folks

Mario181550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

Double Post

shoddy1550d ago

Forza 5 physic is not good enough for professional academy driver simulation.

devwan1550d ago

"Just do the math" - hey, that phrase worked so well for Atari Jaguar, why not?!

abzdine1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

Are Forza 5's physics better than Gran Turismo 6? 'Just do the math', says Turn 10

OK: 6>5 and 3>1! isn't it what he meant??
Da Powaah of Da Clowwwwd makes mathematics look obsolete: 5>6 and 1>4.

Seriously, i hope their physics are better than an old gen game, but that might not be the case since people compare it to GT6 instead of a DriveClub where you can obviously feel the dampers for example.

JokesOnYou1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

Hold he isn't just randomly comparing to GT6, they asked him and really I think that was a respectful answer:

"Just do the math. Honestly," Greenawalt replied. "I don't know what their physics engine is. I know what mine is. What I know is my approach and the amount of power we have in the box allows us to do things that we certainly couldn't have done on the 360 and we didn't do on Forza Motorsport 4."

-Im all for trash talk but clearly videogamer was looking for some flamebsit material for a guy extremely pasionate about his game as Greenwalt is he handled it very well.

-He didn't say anything negative about GT6 but its obvious Forza5 is pushing more than a last gen game, still he was mature enough to say look at the numbers instead of taking shots...hell Forza4 was better than GT5 imo.

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ShinMaster1550d ago

Turn 10 always says the same thing.

But to be fair, he's comparing Forza 5 to Forza 4 on 360. The author just made it flamebait.

blackbeld1550d ago

What has cloud to do with physics? Stupid cloud PR again.

GT is on another league you can not compare it with Forza arcade stuff.

mewhy321550d ago

OMG an xbone game that can't even compete with the PS3? Yeah the CELL is kicking the bone's butt!! Yet another xbonx fail.

user55757081550d ago

ill say since forza 5 is next gen if it doesn't look better than GT6 on ps3 then someone messed up big time

however, lets point out how gran turismo 6 is releasing on both ps3 and ps4...ya know to not screw the fans of GT who aren't buying ps4 right away

while forza 5 is xbox one only...screwing 360 owners

MarkusMcNugen1550d ago

To the sony fanboys who disagree that the cloud wasnt mentioned in the article. Hit "Read Full Story >>" then press Ctrl and F, then type "cloud".

Guess what, you wont find it... because it wasnt mentioned in the article.

Sometimes reading the comments on here are just depressing, but in a funny depressing kind of way.

LastDance1549d ago

Food for thought.

With the same number of games Gran Turismo has outsold Halo...

Think about it.

minimur121549d ago

what my worry is about next gen is with this gen, devs were able to compress their RAM usage (on consoles) down to 512MB, and that's an achievement. But with next gen dev's are proud to say how much RAM it uses because I'll admit it, I was pretty astounded when KZ dev said it used 4.5GB RAM, so I have a feeling they're getting careless 'because they can' no need to keep it down and pretty soon it'll reach that 6GB that PS4 has to offer and they'll have a hard time keeping the RAM down because it's something completely new to them on a next-gen system. This is me intelligently guessing but imagine trying to run TLOU on PC w/ 512 MB

Dee_911549d ago (Edited 1549d ago )

Dan Greenwalt said in a earlier interview that T10 aren't focusing on physics much more (which has the core racers and fans in an uproar including myself).So any improvement over the previous Forza will be minimum.They are focusing on gameplay aspect.I like how he talks about the power of the Xbox yet theres no night or weather racing :|

wow these comments are just sad.

Kleptic1549d ago

Regardless of anyone's opinion on the matter...there is one glaring contradiction to all this...

Realistic handling physics for racing 'sims' were nailed down in the 90's...Formula 1 has been using computer based track simulation, and real time physics simulation for car building since the 80's...on computer equipment costing millions...but all of which was out-classed by any home PC by 95...

Hell even GT2 on the PS1 had a 'simulation tire' option that unanimously had real racing drivers claiming it doesn't get any more real than that...

You DO NOT need any of the Xbox One's power for facking handling processing...'we couldn't do it on last gen tech' is just fluff, nothing more...

he's talking about modeling...physical manipulation of more parts in the event of an accident...that kind of stuff...not the way a certain mass, with a certain mass distribution, accelerates laterally around a turn, or in a straight line...or changes in elevation...thats very simple design stuff by now...

in either case...this was the same team screaming about how bad GT5 was with its lack of damage modeling...and we've all seen the videos of the last forza when you hit a wall at 150mph and a bumper falls off...

just saying...GT6 may be on old tech...and Forza may be on new...but there is plenty of room to grow in terms of realistic damage modeling and physics...but very little to perfect in the way a car corners around a particular track...If you think GT as a series got the 'handling physics' wrong, or that Forza does it don't have any clue what you're talking about...any differences are entirely design oriented in keeping the sim fun, not that any platform simply 'couldn't do it'...

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negative1550d ago

Another sad Sony fanboy........

Mario181550d ago

Mr negative based on your comments. It is more likely that you are the sad one

Trekster_Gamer1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

This is moot... Forza 4 on the 360 already owned gt5 a long time ago.... Forza 5 wiil be miles ahead

Sony fanboys rely below.

pivotplease1550d ago

Only like kart racing games or stuff like wipeout so I couldn't tell you which is better. Personally don't care at all. Enjoy fighting about it though.

saint_seya1550d ago

LOL fanboy to much? forza 4 was a good game, but Gt5 was better one..
more than 10 millon of players think so.. And yeah sony gamers dont support exclusives according to xbox fanboys.. so imagine how good was the game that sold like 4 times what forza did #and u guys keep talking of how much u support your games

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Shadowsteal1550d ago

Even if it was mentioned. Turn 10 is being incredibly stubborn. They are making a game physics based off tire numbers of a different company. Whereas Gran Turismo 6, even though it's on ps3 if it was on ps4 it would be a different story. Kazunori Yamauchi is a game designer in addition to a professional race car driver. The one thing he aims for in his games is accurate handling. He knows how a car feels like in real life and in turn knows how to implement the same handling in a game. In comparison, Turn 10 might as well be making their game by watching youtube videos of Gran Turismo.

robotgargoyle1550d ago

I do wanna see how they stack up. The last iteration of GT franchise on current gen v.s. next gen launch of Forza 5.

Generally, the best games of a system come out towards the end of the console generation. Considering GT series is always a highly polished, great-looking racing sim, I do wanna see how it compares to Forza 5, since devs have yet to tap all the potential out of the new system( launch games tend to sometimes look like higher end last gen titles)

That being said, I'm a Forza fan but respect GT. Sony could have the better game. A more fair assessment will be actualized when GT 7 comes to PS4.

DonFreezer1550d ago

No that's Sony my friend. Turn 10 replied politely and did not start a bad mouthing war like some of Sony's pr man do.

Killzoner991550d ago

Sony just tells it like it is. If you don't like the truth then I am sorry.

vishmarx1550d ago

its the the unfortunate truth .i admit i found it fun at first but seriously Sony's won round 1 ...they should've stopped at e3..
theyre making it a routine now

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Shadowsteal1550d ago

Bad mouths? Wow are you kidding me? "While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining policies and a model that is fair and in tune with consumer desires"

He said Msoft changed their vision, we had one vision all along.

That's bad mouthing? You're pathetic.

Shadowsteal1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

Double post

Pintheshadows1550d ago

Haha. Turn 10 has been bashing Polyphony for years. As has MS with Sony. Things don't get reset during a new generation you know.

MS should see it as a kick up the arse just like Sony did.

porkChop1550d ago

What are you talking about? Turn 10 constantly shit-talked Polyphony when GT5 was coming out. Polyphony never said a word to them, never instigated anything. Turn 10 are a bunch of douchebags.

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Killzoner991550d ago

Cloud ROFL. That's Microsofts big innovation this gen? That's why they are going to be dominated.

vishmarx1550d ago

i love the ps4/////but whats's sony's ,indies?(I URGE YOU TO READ ON)
innovation isnt absolute if anything thats exactly what the ps4 portrays.its nothing extraordinary on the outside yet we all know its gonna be the superior "gaming" platform ,not because of this innovation BS that ms is going on about

Xsilvermist1550d ago

So you compare a next gen game to a current one damn forza GT scares you that much

Ryto1550d ago

am i right in thinking that Forza 5 is an xbone (next gen) game? And GT 6 is releasing on Ps3 (last gen)?

One could only hope that Forza 5 has better phyics, y'know, being next gen.

Such a stupid article.

cleft51550d ago

So true, but when you look at the two games it's clear that GT6 still holds it's own against Forza 5 and that just shouldn't be so considering the fact that Forza 5 is a next-gen game.

Prophet-Gamer1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

So wait, a game on a brand new console looks better than a game running on seven year old hardware? Damn, who would have thought! Turn 10, always chasing that Polyphony dream. GT5 alone outsold pretty much all the Forzas combined, they're on completely different leagues.

starchild1550d ago

You're ignorant. Read the damn article before jumping to conclusions. Turn 10 was asked a question and they responded respectfully. It's not like they just randomly made a statement about Forza 5 being better than Gran Turismo. In fact, they didn't say that at all!

Oh and quit with the sales talk. Nobody cares. You sony fanboys are such flip-floppers...always claiming sales don't mean anything...until it makes a Sony product look good then it is suddenly the most important thing. You only bring up sales because you know that the past few Forza games have outscored the last few Gran Turismo games.

Prophet-Gamer1550d ago

I'm far from a Sony fanboy, but okay. GT games have the sales and critical acclaim to back them up. Comparing them to Forza, or any other racing game is absurd. PD works on their own time and do their thing.

starchild1550d ago

You sure do sound like a Sony PR muppet.

I already said that the past few Forza games have higher positive critical reception than the past few GT games. This is a fact. The review score averages are higher for recent Forza games than recent GT games.

Gran Turismo might have sold more, but sales don't necessarily reflect quality. Otherwise we would all have to concede that the Wii is the best game system to own and Call of Duty is the best shooter ever.

cleft51550d ago

The fact that they are even comparable is a sad joke. One game is for current gen consoles and the other is for a next gen platform. The fact that Forza 5 isn't blowing away GT6 is just sad for them.

AngelicIceDiamond1550d ago

@dazz Well Forza 5 is next gen and Grand Turismo is current gen.

No need to get hostile, just imagine GT7 on PS4, yeah, it'll be amazing.

StoutBEER1550d ago

OMG a Sony fanboy has less bubbles than a not Sony fanboy? Color me impressed n4g.

Mounce1550d ago

Bro, do the math.

Cloud will do the math for us cuz cloud is teh champion

Blast Processing Ver. 2.0 Xbox 1 Edition - It does the math and it can calculate and understand THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION.

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PlayStation_41550d ago

Comparing a PS3 game to an X1 game... lol they must be pretty desperate

nosferatuzodd1550d ago

i've never seen Microsoft this desperate from the cloud crap to the huma when amd declare ps4 more powerful now their comparing last gen game with next gen dams atleast compare it to drive club

MYSTERIO3601550d ago

Looks like a retarded question to ask really

assdan1550d ago

Yeah, this is possibly the most arrogant response to a question I've ever seen. I would expect it to be better than just because it's next gen though.

kenshiro1001549d ago

Turn 10 slinging mud again?
How about they release their game first before they spew crap?

Smkt1549d ago

but do they know the math?

Feldman90001549d ago

It's kind of funny that that is their excuse. Considering physics wise, GT 6 is on PS3 and the handling and car characteristics are better than Forza 5 already (having played both). Forza 5 is great, but that's a crap excuse. Relative car physics for the GT series dates back to 3 on the PS2, and atleast 4.

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GarrusVakarian1550d ago

So what. People who are going to buy GT6 will enjoy it and vice versa.

Man, sometimes the devs are just as bad as the fanboys.

insomnium21550d ago

Hey with those panties I believe you......OK I believe you anyway...

PONTIAC08G8GT1550d ago

Well that's a great argument lol. You made some really great points.

SilentNegotiator1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

8th gen physics ability > 7th gen physics ability

Who woulda thunk it?
Turn 10 is so pathetic.

Blackdeath_6631550d ago

the level of simulation the GT series offers is greater and more detailed than any other racer out there hands down. i know that much.

jerethdagryphon1550d ago

Ok ill byte . Cell 218 gfps of in ordsr processing designed to run math intensive algorithms like physics simulations. Ram for cpu clocked at spu speed
Gpu is certainly strong in xb1 so poly count and textures will be superior on next gen no question .

Load times and other features will also be better next gen. Physic is physics most those data point will be corralated in a searchable database and likely prebacked on l9ad for the car itself .

Gt6 will likly check and alter all aspect of the car on the fly .

vishmarx1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

thanks for the math .screw gaming ill make sure i use gt6 for my professional racing career from now on. physics FTW.enjoying games is for peasants

ABeastNamedTariq1550d ago

You can't deny that it has damn good physics if it has a professional academy that uses their games to judge good drivers. You sound a little bitter, man.

info1550d ago

"I'm not playing their physics, but I think it's one of those things where there is physics involved in just what we're doing."

Lol.... a very clear answer defo. It makes a LOT of sense.