PS4 features better performance? Not so fast there.
I have never ever seen a more fierce competition in my entire life sony and ms, hats off
Very true, while fanboys are running around saying Sony is fail/Microsoft is fail, the truth is everybody wins, that includes us gamers...
I agree and this is why I have said for a long time on here the gaming industry needs at lest 3 companys making consoles and at this moment in time I don't think there are any better 3 than Nintendo Sony and Microsoft as they all offer something different but they are all trying to out do each other to. This is also part of the reason I think the WiiU, Xbox one and PS4 sales will be close between the 3 come then end of this next gen.
@mcstorm: I agree that competition is great for everybody, but Nintendo at this stage isn't a real competitor to Sony or MS. They are still set in their ways. I think we could use another major console maker that isn't cheap android like devices. Problem is, unless you are already in the market, almost no-one has the money to start competing in this business. Valve is one of the few that is correctly placed in the industry, but I doubt they have the funds or even the expertise. Most likely it would be a PC in a smaller box with far minor investment.
@Craig EXACTLY! Thus competition is so fierce and look how the industry has changed already with more disclosures, more transparency and greater efforts, especially on the part of Microsoft, to engage with their community when compared to a few months earlier
I love this competition, because of it no matter what I choose its going to be great. But I already made up my mind. I'm going for performance and features, uh and games. Which do you think that is ?
^^ Well features go to Xbox, performance to PS, and games are subjective. So OUYA?
I love the competition. The fan boys I could do without.
Well features is actually looking pretty even (cable box required for xb1-only relevant in usa atm, plus sony have deals with virgin media for broadband etc over here if a virgin media tv app doesnt appear... I'll be shocked), performance is probably ps4, games... this is a hard one because atm xb1 has more AAA titles however going from history AND from what studios like naughty dog and santa monica put out...and we know will have games out/announced within next year or so. Hmm however I'm guessing he's going with either ps4 or it was a trick question amd he's boderline trolling and is actually buying a ne gaming PC :p which ofc loses him access to all the exclusive games...
Competition is good for all MS and Sony compete , we benefit tremendously from it . I hope Sony and MS both do very well next gen so when the next one comes around it will be even better .
"He also noted that he couldn’t find a source where AMD’s senior product marketing manager Marc Diana stated that the PS4 would have hUMA and the Xbox One wouldn’t." me either... a playstation fansite came to that conclusion it seems.. AMD making both chips made this claim pretty unrealistic..
"a playstation fansite came to that conclusion it seems" Small correction. That would be a German IT magazine called Heise. http://www.heise.de/newstic... Edit: Well i dont know why he didnt mention the XBOX but he said the PS4 would have it. Also theres a part of the article which states The playstation fansite run by "Sony fanboys" just translated it. " didnt see anywhere where he said xbox didnt have it" I think this is the part that caused people to say that. "Behind the scenes c't could also capture developers unofficial voices that see the 3D performance of the Playstation 4 very far from that of the Xbox One." And if this is true then for some reason the PS4 is able to render 3d graphics better than the XBOX One which is probably due to huma which is mentioned in the article. Anyways i cant wait to see the comparison between multiplats to resolve this issue once and for all.
i read the translation... didnt see anywhere where he said xbox didnt have it.. the only place that was mentioned was the headline and then goes on to list the PR about the tech.. "increased performance" was not in reference to the ps4 but to the AMD tech itself over its competitors
" "increased performance" was not in reference to the ps4 but to the AMD tech itself over its competitors" No one really knows since the article is so badly translated. Something is extremely fishy though especially about the XBOX Ones hardware. Edit: Now that i think about it i dont think either console has that technology.
here is the direct Quote: AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD. http://www.fudzilla.com/hom...
I am yet to see any game that shows the amazing power of ps4. For now XO wins cause they show, sony just talks. People already forgot how sony cheated with KZ2.
Again Sony elite fanboys were going rabid on another rumor. I knew something didn't add up, but Sony fanboys were posting that huge huma advantage all over the place. It's gonna be sad for those fanboys that still believe ps4 is 50% more powerful then Xbox One, they well be very disappointed if they keep believing it.
Agree infact MS coherency solution also means MS is fully designed the solution with help of AMD instead of just pure Off the self Produced by AMD --> PS4 AMD wont said a thing because they think it is not important we already Know PS4 garlic/onion Kabini (not full HSA) Not fully Huma.
Frigid, you so crazy :P
@FrigidDARKNESS DDR5 is off the shelf? hardware for better audio and game recording is off the shelf? The processor quoted as having “a large number of modifications.” is off the shelf? I'm gonna go build me a PS4 then. @Sarxblade The PS4 has a modified processor. That is why it has 50% more raw power. That doesn't include that it has dedicated hardware for audio processing and to handle recording game footage. That means less load on the processor. It also has wider buses for more data transfer at a time.
Odd that you would change your tone Frigid. Aren't you the one that for the past month insisted that MS had HSA? You knew it for a fact. Now it's, "Well, MS has a custom solution designed in tandem with AMD that renders HSA moot". Also, off the shelf implies that this chip is available on the shelf, which it's not. It's not set to release until next year. One last thing, it's been widely reported by both Sony and AMD itself that Sony customized the chip to a great degree in order to achieve the results it wants. They did this in conjunction with AMD, and AMD even said that Sony made an "interesting choice" when it came to that customization. No one knows what that choice is to my knowledge. Perhaps since you seem to be an expert in what these APU's provide, you could enlighten us with detailed specs on both.
It's detailed on gaf. The Sony site got it from there and brought it to ng4 I think.
You do realize Reddit was the site MS got busted on the other month for using reputation management on which they would hire companies to go to sites and create posts, comments and uptick pro XB1 related content and then down play pro PS4 posts/comments. So it it's kind of funny that a MS Dev working on XBOXONE just happened to see that the XBOXONE has a feature now that nobody knew of and then turns around and says that PS4 doesn't have this feature (in a different way of course). You follow me... “Not only in-house; they’re also dishing out the big bucks for some pretty high-profile marketing firms to do the work for them. Reddit will absolutely be a part of that strategy, and the couple of guys I saw were probably just the tip of the iceberg.” Link below: http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-... Here is NeoGaf post with a series of links that support that PS4 also sports the hUMA...so yeah do some research before you post and all agreeing with you are blind sheep fanboys...just saying because you spoke without looking 1st... http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
If you are quoting NeoGaf, you might as well be quoting sony headquarters. NeoGaf is highly sony biased.
@Gozer Actually if you clicked the links you would see that they provided sources that weren't other NeoGaf posts they were from all over the industry. Not sure if you are aware but NeoGaf is mainly people from the industry so not just Sony employees...which would make them impartial. I also saw some of your comments above and it's clear that you yourself are biased in favor of MS...pots shouldn't call kettles black if you know what I mean.
@Gozer " If you are quoting NeoGaf, you might as well be quoting sony headquarters. NeoGaf is highly sony biased." that is sony biased, no this one, no that one over there. lmao omfg, THIS IS SO TIRESOME, THIS IS getting pretty funny, ITS LIKE THIS IS NOW SAID ABOUT EVERY FREAKING GAMING WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET. its now a meme of itself. Gawd.
Exactly, hmmm lets see, PS4 has a AMD guy talking about it and on the MS side you got some Dev going " ooh yea, X1 also got one of them that there things too ! Again unless I hear a AMD guy coming out saying the X1 had something similiar built in then I'm calling bullshit. Oh and just cuz AMD is building both console's hardware that doesnt mean they are the exact same thing.
Funny when a dev talks about PS4 and it's advantages.. N4Sony: YES! WE LOVE PS4 and THIS DEV But when a dev talks about Xbox One and it's advantages: N4Sony: We don't believe you! MS paid for this dev to say it. But then again this HUMA that no one was mentioning or even cared about before is now the new RAM/Indie/Headphones/Kinect required ammo that sony fanboys need to combat the Xbox One. I can't wait until this is crossed off the list just to see what else you guys can come up with.
@gozer it appears anywhere on the internet that isn't an xbox forum is sony biased/fanboys. couldn't POSSIBLY be that people just want the console over the xbox one, huh?
All this BS willy waving will be put to rest once digital foundry or LOT or Ars Technica get a hold of these bad boys and rip them to pieces. Even then it will be the software that really shifts the units. People will still no doubt enjoy arguing over any little detail otherwise N4G won't earn any advertising revenue!
DF? you mean that site that have been saying all of that PS4 RAM's drama?
Yes. Sure they don't always get it right but then who does when reporting from external unverified sources? On the whole I find them to be trustworthy in the vast majority of their reporting or speculation.
Digital Foundry have been extremely reliable over the years. That fanboys want to tear them apart for simply reporting what they were told is just sad.
@sobotz If it wasn't for them people would still think PS4 uses 7-8 GB of ram for gaming and that is not the case.
It'll always be the software that shifts the units. 99% of the people out there couldn't give a rat's ass over the specs. Long term it could matter, but history says otherwise.
So essentially, just pick the case you want.
and yet people couldnt stop celegrating in this thread http://n4g.com/news/1337691...
That's Sony fanboys for you, They've all been saying that free FIFA is a delusional too.
PS4 + Fifa is cheaper than Xbox One with free Fifa.
^Irrelevant. Your opinion doesn't apply to my statement
Free FIFA is no delusion. It's just only available to Europe pre-orders. And since Microsoft Knocked down its release countries from 32 to 12, alot of people feel duped.So just UK and Germany get free FIFA while the rest of Europe can still play 360.
@ZHZ90 How about PS4+Fifa+PS Eye? Let's at least compare product to product here.
@matgrowcatt, nice try but how about PSN Card and Xbox Gold Memebership btw not every gamer gives a crap about motion controls. @sobotz, oh ok I get what you mean. You mean people say Xbox One with free Fifa is imagination but what they said later was proven false if that what meant so ok.
"nice try but how about PSN Card and Xbox Gold Memebership btw not every gamer gives a crap about motion controls." What difference do either of those things make? We're talking about straight up cost. You can't say "lol, PS4 is still cheaper even with FIFA" if you're not taking into account everything you get. That's ridiculous. If you have to omit things to make a point, maybe that point isn't worth making.
PS4 has HuMA Xbox does not That is a significant advantage for PS4.Judging by this comment and all your comments actually, this just kills you doesn't it? Better luck next gen.
Huma is developed by AMD and judging by your comments, this article is tormeting you to no end. better luck in the next xbox article.
Yes it is developed by AMD.Bravo! It is also only possible on PS4 And not on Xbox, due to the little esram bottleneck. Confirming, PS4 is much more powerful then xbox.How does that make you feel? I'm sure you'll let us all know, as you cry about the big bad sony fanboys in the next PS article.
The DDR3 on the box is going to be running hUMA, if yo're going to make a huge deal about one of the GPU/CPU having acces to a private cache of ESRAM, then good for you. the whole point is being able to hand over a pointer from GPU memory to CPU memory and vice versa, eliminating having to copy the entire memory from GPU memory to CPU memory or vice versa. The point is NOT that: They share memory and one cant have access to some sort of memory that the other does not.... I suggest you quit your job at the WalMart check out and study some computer science, since you talk alot but know so little.
Go home Day Z you're drunk.
"I'm sure you'll let us all know, as you cry about the big bad sony fanboys in the next PS article." Neither of the words "big" or "bad" spring to mind when describing the N4G psychosis. Now PATHETIC is a pretty good description for those who require an internet forum to feel good about themselves.
And now people on the other side can't stop celebrating this one. What's your point? @Dayz The ESRam has little to do with huma. The ESRam can be bypassed, and in many cases it will be anyways. ESRam exists for things to be stored in a cache that are needed for quick access, not for things that are randomly accessed, unless that data is used for storing information required to execute a specific process. Either way, ESRam is meaningless in this debate. In the case of huma, anything that would use the techniques for speeding up data access would not be using the ESRam, although it could. Basically, in programming, the answer is always, "It depends".
"something similar to huMA"...so, it doesn't have huMA but something similar to it. So what is it? DDR3 is something similar to GDDR5, its just that one is faster.
I always thought different, meant not the same! But what do I know? I know numbers don't lie, and even though many say that on paper the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox 1. So in real world that may not be totally accurate, meaning it could go either way. I would think that this would hold true for the Xbox 1, considering it's known to be the one with weaker specs on paper.
True, it will come down to the devs and how they utilize each one to the fullest.
So, this xbox dev, posting on reddit, had no idea what Huma was up until today.But apparently, it doesn't matter because xbox (with no concept of how) already works the same way. Haha.
yeah was just reading the neogaf thread and they're questioning his 'dev' status if he didn't even know what hUMA was the start off with.
Of course they were questioning his dev status, there are as many Sony enthusiast there as here in N4g
Neogaf is a joke site filled with raging fanboys who think they are special for being on the "gaf". lol
There IS a concept Quote from Reddit: "The way I understand it is that in addition to having unified memory access (shared memory between CPU and GPU), which allows the GPU to read CPU memory, it is also a coherent cache system. To quote Ars, "CPU and GPU will always see a consistent view of data in memory. If one processor makes a change then the other processor will see that changed data, even if the old value was being cached."
Oh, so that's why you were already on my ignore list.You're a dummy! That quote is how Huma works.He didn't say how this magical huma-esque technique works on xbox.This was his insightful comment. "I remember reading something on this when I got my first alpha kit. I pulled up a couple of our internal white papers and it's pretty clear that this was the exact implementation in the Xbox One's memory system" Isn't that cute? The day Huma new breaks, xbox magically has something similar, somehow.
@DayZ whats magical about it, it's being developed by AMD?. The only thing magical about it is that someone made it to be a PS4 only feature....
I dont see how the xbox has something similar if it uses esram where there is a bridge between the CPU and the GPU. Part of Huma is that there is no copying of data between the two and they both see the same thing always and can use the same resources with no delay at all. I think this dev has no idea what they are talking about and the fact they he " just remembers some white papers about smth" and he cant go into detail about how the system works shows his credibility about the matter.
Great contribution Bandit.Always enjoy your well thought out comments.
Xb1 doesn't have hUMA, it's just arguing semantics over the definition of hUMA to convince the clueless it does. If you look at my previous posts, I have been talking about hUMA being integrated into PlayStation hardware since March, how can I know more about this technology than this supposed "dev".
All I have to say about this xbox dev is... http://cdn.meme.li/i/oa869....
@DayZ EXACTLY THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF hUMA. AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD. http://www.fudzilla.com/hom...
FOR those hung on specs realize the wii won last gen, get it straight folks a combination of content, online service, and hardware wins these wars not just hardware.
Then its a good thing the PS4 has all three then.
So does the X1. Content, Apps, Games, TV, online, and hardware