PS4 features better performance? Not so fast there.
That's good to know:)
Yea it is. It's good for those who want an xbox one
Haha, you're comments are hilarious lately, trying to be the middle ground nice guy. Here have a bubble for the effort.
You Win or You Die. There's no middle ground.
@Lukas_Japonicus middle ground? lmao..dude I am pretty sure N4g site knows xbox one day one for me!... It's good for those who want an xbox one [me] Stop misinterpreting me.. I don't wanna join ur team :-p
Have a bubble, golding! I have a feeling N4G doesn't like Xbox enthusiasts making first posts... ;)
Even if the article is right there's no denying that GDDR5 and a 50% more powerful GPU will give the PS4 the performance advantage. PERIOD. There's no spinning it, there's no denying it, there's no argument here. Facts are facts. That's the reason that micro$oft has taken the Nintendo stance and not talking up the specs. You don't talk up your hardware inferiority.
This : Somebody had PM'ed me earlier linking to the Ars article on how the PS4 has a big advantage over the Xbox one due to hUMA. This was apparently said by some AMD marketing manager. I haven't heard of hUMA until today... And that's a XO developer who doesn't know about architecture of XO. Seems pretty god damn legit. XO developer doesn't know about XO architecture, but AMD does. So : PS4 : hUMA XO : no hUMA Similar to hUMA is not the same like real hUMA.
@mewhy32 What's the matter fanboy worried no one will care about your opinion unless your at the top? So you post in a completely off subject discussion... That's really sad and I hope you feel bad about your self.
@mewhy32 When you have an Xbox dev OUTRIGHT admitting PS4 specs are better.... Yep. lol http://n4g.com/news/1309929...
@mewhy You aren't taking into the account the Esram and Move engines of the X1. Or the tiled resources, or Hypervisor. MS is made up of Software Engineers, they undoubtedly know how to get the most out of a piece of hardware. Right now as it stands MS has more games running at 1080p/60fps than sony. I don't think the differences in hardware are going to amount to anything negligible. I certainly don't think the ps4 has as much of an advantage as you are hoping.
Judging from the original Reddit discussion the "dev" fully understand what hUMA is, and others proved the XB1 cant do it because of the ESRAM
Electronic Arts is one company still asking that question, though, and not necessarily for the reason you'd expect. EA Sports boss Andrew Wilson says that one reason none of its next-gen sports games are coming to PC is because Microsoft and Sony's new game consoles are actually more powerful than many PCs in a very specific, subtle way: "How the CPU, GPU, and RAM work together in concert," Wilson told Polygon. That might sound suspiciously vague, but we spoke to AMD and it's actually true. The AMD chips inside the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One take advantage of something called Heterogeneous Unified Memory Access (HUMA), Good for gaming, good for AMDwhich allows both the CPU and GPU to share the same memory pool instead of having to copy data from one before the other can use it. Diana likened it to driving to the corner store to pick up some milk, instead of driving from San Francisco to Los Angeles. It's one of AMD's proposed Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA) techniques to make the many discrete processors in a system work in tandem to more efficiently share loads. http://www.theverge.com/201...
Isn't ironic that on the heels of everything Sony, there is a xb1 comeback. Like hey we play used games too, hey we don't have DRM too, hey we love indies too, hey we don't require the camera too, um...., hey we have huma ...like....processing too!
Oh look, it's the anonymous "Confirmed Xbox One dev" again. The mods failed the last few articles based on that PR account being baseless with its assertions.
The PS4 has a real huma, and is a real hero. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I really want to see this 50% power because as of now where games show the advantages I am not seeing it... At all. They both have showcase games.
Check another one off the list right? hey golding89, you got two "well saids" and yet no bubble. Funny how that works right, get one trolling and instant de-bubble on this site.
I am more interested in hardware tiling and how that will be implemented.
@mewhy32 it's 40% not 50%
Actually, it's 39.32247781003%
Ooooh Im sure it does, let me guess its called hAM correct ? Or is somebody at MS still thinking of a name ? Im callling MAJOR Bullshit on this one. PS4's is part of the hardware built in by AMD, not some made up software solution. I wanna hear it coming from AMDs mouth not from MS or one of their talking heads.
So when a confirmed Xbox One dev debunks something you guys call it bullshit. But when a person from a forum who supposedly knows a contact who knows a dev debunks something PS4 related it's all good. Gotta love the N4G double standard.
....does it matter?? Ps4 has huma...xbone has dx11...ps4 has more powaaaa....xbone has the clouds..etc..etc Both have pros and cons, both have great games coming. Just enjoy what you choose. Repied to the wrong post..sorry
I love how people with zero technical knowledge think they can call bullshit on things they don't even understand.
Hey, fanboy, your head is full of bullshit. Shut the hell up, and blow Sony to the promised land.... The ps4 is more powerful than the x1, by what percentage? Who gives a shit. The games both are showing could be flip flopped to each system, and not one of you out of control fanboys would tell the difference. Man, the kids on this site are such an embarrassment.
hmm: yet it is: http://www.reddit.com/user/... New developer.LMAO He also noted that he couldn’t find a source where AMD’s senior product marketing manager Marc Diana stated that the PS4 would have hUMA and the Xbox One wouldn’t. Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-... here ya go... AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD. http://www.fudzilla.com/hom... this is just getting to be way too funny
Let me add to the flames. Those who were saying Xbone has an advantage because of DX 11.2 http://i.imgur.com/GQ60CyZ....
Huma couldn't rescue Knack, DC Universe, Blacklight retribution, Planetside 2 Ryse still shows everything up The Best Games Are On Xbox One
ryse looks terrible. just stop.
LMAOOOOO!!!!!!!! OK lets just pretend Thats true!
Umm ryse looks no better than any other cryengine 3 game nade on pc architecture and isnt open world but linear... soo...
I have never ever seen a more fierce competition in my entire life sony and ms, hats off
Very true, while fanboys are running around saying Sony is fail/Microsoft is fail, the truth is everybody wins, that includes us gamers...
I agree and this is why I have said for a long time on here the gaming industry needs at lest 3 companys making consoles and at this moment in time I don't think there are any better 3 than Nintendo Sony and Microsoft as they all offer something different but they are all trying to out do each other to. This is also part of the reason I think the WiiU, Xbox one and PS4 sales will be close between the 3 come then end of this next gen.
@mcstorm: I agree that competition is great for everybody, but Nintendo at this stage isn't a real competitor to Sony or MS. They are still set in their ways. I think we could use another major console maker that isn't cheap android like devices. Problem is, unless you are already in the market, almost no-one has the money to start competing in this business. Valve is one of the few that is correctly placed in the industry, but I doubt they have the funds or even the expertise. Most likely it would be a PC in a smaller box with far minor investment.
@Craig EXACTLY! Thus competition is so fierce and look how the industry has changed already with more disclosures, more transparency and greater efforts, especially on the part of Microsoft, to engage with their community when compared to a few months earlier
I love this competition, because of it no matter what I choose its going to be great. But I already made up my mind. I'm going for performance and features, uh and games. Which do you think that is ?
^^ Well features go to Xbox, performance to PS, and games are subjective. So OUYA?
I love the competition. The fan boys I could do without.
Well features is actually looking pretty even (cable box required for xb1-only relevant in usa atm, plus sony have deals with virgin media for broadband etc over here if a virgin media tv app doesnt appear... I'll be shocked), performance is probably ps4, games... this is a hard one because atm xb1 has more AAA titles however going from history AND from what studios like naughty dog and santa monica put out...and we know will have games out/announced within next year or so. Hmm however I'm guessing he's going with either ps4 or it was a trick question amd he's boderline trolling and is actually buying a ne gaming PC :p which ofc loses him access to all the exclusive games...
Competition is good for all MS and Sony compete , we benefit tremendously from it . I hope Sony and MS both do very well next gen so when the next one comes around it will be even better .
"He also noted that he couldn’t find a source where AMD’s senior product marketing manager Marc Diana stated that the PS4 would have hUMA and the Xbox One wouldn’t." me either... a playstation fansite came to that conclusion it seems.. AMD making both chips made this claim pretty unrealistic..
"a playstation fansite came to that conclusion it seems" Small correction. That would be a German IT magazine called Heise. http://www.heise.de/newstic... Edit: Well i dont know why he didnt mention the XBOX but he said the PS4 would have it. Also theres a part of the article which states The playstation fansite run by "Sony fanboys" just translated it. " didnt see anywhere where he said xbox didnt have it" I think this is the part that caused people to say that. "Behind the scenes c't could also capture developers unofficial voices that see the 3D performance of the Playstation 4 very far from that of the Xbox One." And if this is true then for some reason the PS4 is able to render 3d graphics better than the XBOX One which is probably due to huma which is mentioned in the article. Anyways i cant wait to see the comparison between multiplats to resolve this issue once and for all.
i read the translation... didnt see anywhere where he said xbox didnt have it.. the only place that was mentioned was the headline and then goes on to list the PR about the tech.. "increased performance" was not in reference to the ps4 but to the AMD tech itself over its competitors
" "increased performance" was not in reference to the ps4 but to the AMD tech itself over its competitors" No one really knows since the article is so badly translated. Something is extremely fishy though especially about the XBOX Ones hardware. Edit: Now that i think about it i dont think either console has that technology.
here is the direct Quote: AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD. http://www.fudzilla.com/hom...
I am yet to see any game that shows the amazing power of ps4. For now XO wins cause they show, sony just talks. People already forgot how sony cheated with KZ2.
Again Sony elite fanboys were going rabid on another rumor. I knew something didn't add up, but Sony fanboys were posting that huge huma advantage all over the place. It's gonna be sad for those fanboys that still believe ps4 is 50% more powerful then Xbox One, they well be very disappointed if they keep believing it.
Agree infact MS coherency solution also means MS is fully designed the solution with help of AMD instead of just pure Off the self Produced by AMD --> PS4 AMD wont said a thing because they think it is not important we already Know PS4 garlic/onion Kabini (not full HSA) Not fully Huma.
Frigid, you so crazy :P
@FrigidDARKNESS DDR5 is off the shelf? hardware for better audio and game recording is off the shelf? The processor quoted as having “a large number of modifications.” is off the shelf? I'm gonna go build me a PS4 then. @Sarxblade The PS4 has a modified processor. That is why it has 50% more raw power. That doesn't include that it has dedicated hardware for audio processing and to handle recording game footage. That means less load on the processor. It also has wider buses for more data transfer at a time.
Odd that you would change your tone Frigid. Aren't you the one that for the past month insisted that MS had HSA? You knew it for a fact. Now it's, "Well, MS has a custom solution designed in tandem with AMD that renders HSA moot". Also, off the shelf implies that this chip is available on the shelf, which it's not. It's not set to release until next year. One last thing, it's been widely reported by both Sony and AMD itself that Sony customized the chip to a great degree in order to achieve the results it wants. They did this in conjunction with AMD, and AMD even said that Sony made an "interesting choice" when it came to that customization. No one knows what that choice is to my knowledge. Perhaps since you seem to be an expert in what these APU's provide, you could enlighten us with detailed specs on both.
It's detailed on gaf. The Sony site got it from there and brought it to ng4 I think.
You do realize Reddit was the site MS got busted on the other month for using reputation management on which they would hire companies to go to sites and create posts, comments and uptick pro XB1 related content and then down play pro PS4 posts/comments. So it it's kind of funny that a MS Dev working on XBOXONE just happened to see that the XBOXONE has a feature now that nobody knew of and then turns around and says that PS4 doesn't have this feature (in a different way of course). You follow me... “Not only in-house; they’re also dishing out the big bucks for some pretty high-profile marketing firms to do the work for them. Reddit will absolutely be a part of that strategy, and the couple of guys I saw were probably just the tip of the iceberg.” Link below: http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-... Here is NeoGaf post with a series of links that support that PS4 also sports the hUMA...so yeah do some research before you post and all agreeing with you are blind sheep fanboys...just saying because you spoke without looking 1st... http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
If you are quoting NeoGaf, you might as well be quoting sony headquarters. NeoGaf is highly sony biased.
@Gozer Actually if you clicked the links you would see that they provided sources that weren't other NeoGaf posts they were from all over the industry. Not sure if you are aware but NeoGaf is mainly people from the industry so not just Sony employees...which would make them impartial. I also saw some of your comments above and it's clear that you yourself are biased in favor of MS...pots shouldn't call kettles black if you know what I mean.
@Gozer " If you are quoting NeoGaf, you might as well be quoting sony headquarters. NeoGaf is highly sony biased." that is sony biased, no this one, no that one over there. lmao omfg, THIS IS SO TIRESOME, THIS IS getting pretty funny, ITS LIKE THIS IS NOW SAID ABOUT EVERY FREAKING GAMING WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET. its now a meme of itself. Gawd.
Exactly, hmmm lets see, PS4 has a AMD guy talking about it and on the MS side you got some Dev going " ooh yea, X1 also got one of them that there things too ! Again unless I hear a AMD guy coming out saying the X1 had something similiar built in then I'm calling bullshit. Oh and just cuz AMD is building both console's hardware that doesnt mean they are the exact same thing.
Funny when a dev talks about PS4 and it's advantages.. N4Sony: YES! WE LOVE PS4 and THIS DEV But when a dev talks about Xbox One and it's advantages: N4Sony: We don't believe you! MS paid for this dev to say it. But then again this HUMA that no one was mentioning or even cared about before is now the new RAM/Indie/Headphones/Kinect required ammo that sony fanboys need to combat the Xbox One. I can't wait until this is crossed off the list just to see what else you guys can come up with.
@gozer it appears anywhere on the internet that isn't an xbox forum is sony biased/fanboys. couldn't POSSIBLY be that people just want the console over the xbox one, huh?
All this BS willy waving will be put to rest once digital foundry or LOT or Ars Technica get a hold of these bad boys and rip them to pieces. Even then it will be the software that really shifts the units. People will still no doubt enjoy arguing over any little detail otherwise N4G won't earn any advertising revenue!
DF? you mean that site that have been saying all of that PS4 RAM's drama?
Yes. Sure they don't always get it right but then who does when reporting from external unverified sources? On the whole I find them to be trustworthy in the vast majority of their reporting or speculation.
Digital Foundry have been extremely reliable over the years. That fanboys want to tear them apart for simply reporting what they were told is just sad.
@sobotz If it wasn't for them people would still think PS4 uses 7-8 GB of ram for gaming and that is not the case.
It'll always be the software that shifts the units. 99% of the people out there couldn't give a rat's ass over the specs. Long term it could matter, but history says otherwise.
So essentially, just pick the case you want.