From Gameplayer... "Rockstar has, deliberately or not, undermined Microsoft's chances of not only shipping a bucket-load of consoles, but potentially from coming out on top of the console wars."
I really find it hard to believe M$ will not have a gta bundle in the U.S at least, unless Sony made some kind of deal.
Well from the looks of it, they don't but there is still 2 weeks for them to reveal any bundle plans. I don't think rockstar is deliberately undermining msoft. GTA is hot $hit and msoft worked a deal for DLC and sony worked a deal for something else. It appears to be a bundle so...whooopdidooo
Apparently it is an exclusive bundle license. And I'm not talking about Costco-type bundles.
Has anyone else noticed Microsoft has just gone quite on GTA4 end. I mean they were screaming there throats off last year that the complete experience is on the 360, but like since the last month, especially after GDC they have just gone silent. May be they realized its not the system seller for xbox360 and may be they are looking forward to Gears and Fable to become there system seller. So many conspiracy theories:P
Microsoft got the taste of their own medicine , they wanted to screw over the PS3 owners with their anti-consumer and unethical bribe , now karma is bitting them in the a$$
If it's exclusive then it's definitely a blow to MS in spite of everything they've done. But they don't have to steal anything away from Sony. They need to press their base to buy the game which will suit them just fine.
M$ screwed themselves, they did what they always do, threw truckloads of money around hoping they could buy their sucess. Next they will be forcing Rockstar to submit (Sell) themselves to M$. Because thats what they do best, buy out the competition.
And the reason why M$ is so quiet is because the bread and butter of M$ AKA Vista is in turmoil. Their spending their immediate recourses on salvaging that and trying to buy out Yahoo, since they can't compete with Google.
HOW ABOUT GRAND THEFT AUTO EVERY YEAR BE BASED OFF A DIFFERENT CITY IN THE US. GTA SEATTLE, GTA N.Y, GTA, D.C ECT. AND THEN GO OVERSEAS. GTA HONG KONG, THAILAND ETC....
IF EA gets their hands on Take Two that just might happen. Hope not though, great games take more than a year to make. GTA is not Madden.
can and would take-two(who are the publisher, not rockstar!) stop microsoft from saying to retailers "bundle gta with a 360 for x amount"?????????? i don't think so somehow! it would be up to microsoft how much they want to lose on each sale to give a game with the console! take-two will still earn the same with every game that sells, regardless if it's on it's own, or bundled with a console!
to think otherwise seems naive and a bit stupid imo!
I think we have to wait at least a week after the launch before we can properly judge Microsoft on their push for GTA. Though i think maybe MS feel the more they advertise GTA, the more they are hurting themselves by pushing even more PS2 owners to buying into the PS3 for that experience.
Its Rockstar are screwing Ms by making an exc Gta bundle to the Ps3. Make up your'e mind people it looks like what ever happens with this bundle Ms can't win. Typical of this site evn though Ms are getting the better version with dlc its some how been turned around to be Sony win due to increased hardware sales due to a "supposed exc bundle" Ill bet a large wad of cash that both consoles will have bundles for this game whether it be official or unofficial. Its the biggest game release of the year do you really think either company are not gonna cash in on the opportunity. As for Gta4 selling better due to it being viewed synonomous with the Ps franchise i think is very short sighted. If you look at the sales for Dmc4(1.09=ps3, 0.9=360)on both consoles i think it shows that everyone already knows that you can get Ps exc on the 360. But why am i posting this the point of this site isn't to have discussions based in reality. its there to find articles and post comments that make the 360 look bad and the ps3 look good. I was suprised when that 360 has the superior version article got approved must be an exception to the genreal trend.
i remember reading the microsoft were desperate for doing a gta bundle, now sony are potentially doing one it's all well and good. this site really is the dish the dirt on the 360 site.
the average joe wont think it's a playstation game, they will just see that it's on both systems and like you said, they will continue to see that once playstation exclusives are available on both systems now!
Wow the PS3+GTA4 is more worth buying in Australia than the Premium or Elite, only the Arcade version is cheaper and no one wants one of them anyway.
A Big LOL at Microsoft from me!!!
Even if you bought anew Xbox360 and GTAIV outright, it will cost you less than buying a PS3... They are counting on the consumer being cheap, and if that's the case, the Xbox360 is still cheaper... And if a large number of those people knwo about the exclusive future content for the XBOX 360 version, I find it hard to believe a PS3 bundle is going to be a deal breaker. We'll have to watch and see... It's hard for me to speculate on how the general public will respond... I would have never guessed that the Wii would do as well as it has... People are unpredictable, so let's wit and watch.
"make up your mind people".....right, so two completely different people post two different articles and you get annoyed? or do you think everyone else on N4G except you is the same person? If you dont want to read an article. Dont.
lol...at the pic. haha thats awesome.
yeah that pic is funny i'm glad to see sony throw a couple of punches. they've been on the fence for a while and i'm happy to see they've seem to get their mojo back. between this and that gunmetal PS3, they're trying to hit the ball out the park.
I agree, I think for a while M$ has been more agressive saying things like Madden will run better on thier system and they will own GTA4's Launch. I think lately Sony has been pulling off some smart moves by releasing GT prologue, DS3, MGS beta and a psn store update all before the release of GTA4.
2 things come to mind. Hot coffee and Hot Pocket LMAO.
If you like that pic, check this one out.
I bet she can eat ALOT of Energon Cubes!
we've all been saying "where are the games?" and now its about to be crazy. my list goes as follows: next week - MGS4 Online Beta, GT5P, Operation: Broken Mirror, and whatever else they have planned. April 29 - GTA4 May 15 - Bionic Commando Rearmed (oldie but goodie) May 20 - Haze (maybe.......) June 2- Civilization Revolution (the one PC game i really really liked) June 12 - MGS4 (you guys won't see me till its flipped) and who knows what surprises we'll see in the time in between those releases. i'm already in the Home Beta, so i'm hoping they'll start adding the final touches (trophy room, in-game XMB, uploading video, ect.) and letting more people in. i'm really interested to see what everyone thinks about it. i've been thinking about getting another 360, but with so many good game coming on PS3 i don't think i'd have the time (or money) for everything. now add the fact the the gunmetal PS3 is coming and i'm thinking of buying it for my bedroom tv. sony has done good of late. i think they've really turned a corner. EDIT: @GutZ31...... YIKES!!! who is that theMart's gf?!?!...............jk i think i see her red rings of death :0 EDIT 2: why can't i uploads pics? i haven't been able to since the newer site launched.
2.4 Yuck, the Red Ring Of Death is her underpants.
That an Australian gaming website is saying someone else is screwed.
...I think that's it for now, it's late
lol ...you're gonna wake up to alot of disagrees.
You know, it is strange, there is a lot of anti-MSFT trolling from this site.
speaking of trolling.........*looks at wageslave*
lol remember last year on this site? I sure do, its funny.
wouldn't it be something though if the bundle was Exclusive?that would hurt Xbox sales,at least in Europe.
Microwave tried... you can give them that. They just aren't Sony(though they wish)
I wonder if sony paid for this bundle deal, and if so how much? If they did its certainly a slap in the face to MS. Its a great way to promote GTA4 on the PS3.
Sony cant give away a 3rd Party Title and not pay for it.
If there is a GTAIV Bundle, I'll be suprised. That said, I dont see giving away the 2 most anticipated PS3 titles in bundles from a position of strength.
Sure, its good for the user, but Sony isnt doing this becuase they are -confident- in their position, they are doing it to catch up that +8 Million console defecit.
"they are doing it to catch up that +8 Million console deficit." Very true. And it's going to work.
You watch how fast that 8 million console deficit goes away. GTA4, and MGS4 alone have some serious console moving power. To us gamers DTS-MA isnt a huge deal, but you should see the AV crowd over this coming update. I swear its like the second coming of christ... Some people on AVS are touting the PS3 as the best consumer electronic EVER. Link - http://www.avsforum.com/avs... The PS3 isnt a one trick pony. Future-proof FTW
was the defected one
Nice one Sev. I can't believe there are that much audiophiles out there.
@SEV - Wow... The Audiophiles are going nuts for the PS3! Lot of love for this device at the moment.
I agree, and also wouldn't rockstar want to make the install base of the ps3 to be bigger since they have future ps3 exclusives from them , so they would want a bigger user base to make more sales, of course they will want to have more sales so they will support the most the one that will make them money in the future.
that's true akaFullMetal. i hadn't even thought of that until now.
So are we stil pretending the PS3 is 8 million behind??? It's not. Not even close. PS3 is getting somewhere around the 5-6 million range and closing in fast.
I'm sure they did, just like they'll probably do with MGS4, they'll cut a deal to buy say 500K copies (maybe more??)for worldwide distribution, they tell the publisher that they'll waive royalty fees for production of those copies, buy them from said publisher at discounted price but still a profit for publisher because there were no royalty fees and throw them into the box for a bundle (literally)I wouldn't be surprised either if the GTAIV commercials end with the PS3 logo only, so when average Joe sees the commercial with only the PS3 logo at the end he goes to store and sees the bundle displayed prominently in the aisle, grabs one and checks out. Done deal.
i will read this after this comment
Rockstar did not and can not screw over MS
MS has done a fine job of that themselfs with bringing out the most faulty consumer eltronic in the history of such things!
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Arguably, the guy that wrote this argument has a very valid point, at least in his market where the bundle looks to be in existence. Considering this is the first GTA with online play, there are going to be a LOT of people who won't even know about that side of the game, let alone care. Not to mention, the MAJORITY of GTA players never even finish the game (or even make it 50% through) because they are just having a crapload of fun running around and blowing stuff up. So, for the casual gamer that will be interested in GTA, I can definitely side with this gamer/editor in his market that the PS3 version's bundle will be huge. People forget to step outside of their realm and look at the bigger picture. Just because you read sites and know a bit about the consoles doesn't mean you're the majority. In fact, we're the minority. There are more people that just walk in to a store and buy games all the time and don't read anything up on the game other than when it's coming out than there are people that invest time. Hardcore gamers are the minority and never will be the majority. I guess if I was to provide one epic example of this, look at World of Warcraft with its over 10 million customers (? or more?) and only 4% of them according to Blizzard are hardcore (the people that beat endgame content before it comes out, know all about the Warcraft storyline, etc.). 96% of them are just casual gamers that probably didn't even know what Warcraft was before World of Warcraft came out.
Couldnt say better myself.
Ok, maybe not. But it was great to read your comment, after watching almost ever article on this site get misread and users attempt to turn everything into a flame war your post was profound
Yeah, nicely put. I never really thought the bundle was that important til I read this article. It all makes perfect sense. Who really cares about the DLC for Xbox. Xbox owners thats who. They're the only ones who care, and hardcore gamers are the only ones who even know about it. The bundle isn't targeting the hardcore. Obviously we already have consoles. Most will get the version for the one console they have, those of us lucky enough to have both will choose our favourite but 99% of the world population dont have either and thats who the bundle is aiming for. So Joe Noconsole goes into their local bestbuy thinking Man I want GTA, its time to buy a console. And there a PS3 with GTA Budled in, the graphics printed on the box like they belong together for the cost of an elite. What he said about buying the lesser version of xbox is true too. Its not worth it. All fanboyism aside, PS3 has all the good press lately. Put a PS3 with GTA next to an Elite with GTA for around the same price and which one would Joe buy? Factor in all the talk about a 33% failure rate for XB, meanwhile PS3 has had about 33 fail all together. Plus a new console owner has to be thinking what other game do I want. Whats the last good game out on Xbox, I cant even remember. I havent bought one since Mass Effect. and what coming out soon? Again, I'm not even sure, probably Gears 2 for me. Meanwhile if you want to play GT5P, GTA4 with MGS4, Haze, Home and more just around the corner, one could say a new comer doesn't even have a choice. Its like a foregone conclusion. Anyway, as far as who will sell the most games, probably it will be fairly even. Thos with XB will get XB, PS3 will get PS3, those with both will go 50 50 too, so XB migh sell more games. Who will sell the most consoles because of this game which is the bigger picture will be PS3 I think buy a bit. Hey to me some games belong on certain consoles and alot of people see it like that. Splinter Cell will always be Xbox, Metal Gear will always be Playstation and so will GTA.
on the part about this being the first GTA to have online play. I have GTA san andreas for the PC and it had online play
You seem like a guy who knows what he's talking about. It's funny because I have a friend who has both a 360 and a PS3 and I told him about episodic DLC on the 360 version of GTA 4. He had no idea that it even existed for the 360. He was kinda interested, but not very much so as you'd expect. It seems like he's still getting the PS3 version anyway. I live in London (UK) and from what I see and hear, I dont really believe very many gamers here (both hardcore and casual) actually know about this exclusive DLC.
By the way, why are all the 360 guys on here crying tears and acting like they have really hurt feelings because they see alot of anti-360 comments posted on this site? You dont need to moan, wow. If you dont like it, then dont read it, it's that simple! Damn you all need to hug each other and get some paper tissue to wipe your tears, you very sensitive bunch of 360 fanatics. You all know your names.
Nice posting! You described how a lot of people actaually are. I only played GT3 on PS2 but from what I can remember never beat it but still loved the game for just goofing off, same with san andreas, got bored of the missions.
Kicked in the balls if you ask me...
this is the shocker for me i mean i heard that sony was going to do it but i honestly thought the way MS was so hyped about GTA and even claiming it as their Multiplatform title and all i would have thought they were gonna be the ones to secure a bundle and by the looks of it extremely exclusive as well. Sony really did it with this one i mean really the MGS4 bundle is in all major regions and the GT5 bundle is making a killing right now and they secured something for GTA in the UK/EU if Sony knows what they are doing offering a US bundle will be the thing that literally shifts the tides and puts them on track for a very very strong sell through. but we'll see we have 2 weeks before the the US launch we should here by next week.
whats not rude about gta!? but seriously the us hasn't seen a new bundle since the premier of the 40gb while japan had 2 different ones and EU had like 4-5 a GTA 4 bundle should really come state side :P
This game is going to rock!
Microsoft doesn't really need Rockstar to screw them over, they're doing pretty good doing it to themselves. 360 a yr early,rechargeable batteries,50 online,lost japan...again,no built in HD DVD,DVD9,going for the same demographic,DLC is not the future, etc:)
I think DLC (I assume you are talking DLC in terms of movies and games) has it place and i can see taking a big market hold but not for many years to come... maybe 10 or so the web is not ready yet. I do however think it will not replace hard media i am 27 and pretty tech savvy and I wont give up hard media because hard drives fail and information corrupts. ON TOPIC I also think for this bundle to have a major impact they need to bring it to The US.
and this is good
Make no mistake; this play by Sony is the most explosive strike yet in the ongoing war between the two console makers.
this will be the check mate move in the EU!
damn right, i can see casual gamers in the uk getting this bundle + gt5 prologue. GTA and GT are massive in the uk, with this bundle and prologue i can see may sales for the ps3 being huge.
When I bought my second ps2, I bought a bundle ! i went to the counter, pickd up the ps2 box. Went to the game counter.picked up GTA 3. walked to pay for it.laid them on top of each other. Paid for it. Went home and enjoyed the game ! Bundles are kinda pointless.only stupid people would rely on bundles to buy games + consoles on the same day lol. If their that lazy,their probably fat they should just buy a wii bundle with wii fit and lose some weight.
Are you saying at this point if you lived where the bundle was coming out, and wanted a PS3 and GTA IV, that you would rather buy them separately at a higher price just because bundles are for, as you state, stupid and lazy people? Or do you have some other more logical argument against bundling a game and console?
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i have to say,
i am not in the habit of slagging people off and i don't mean this in a bad way, but....
That has to be the most economically backward statement i have read in a while.
The logic behind the bundle is simple; why pay more for said product when you can get the same product cheaper.
bubbles, exactly, this bundle is made to save consumers money. Instead of paying 400.00 for the ps3 and 60.00 for the game they pay 400.00 for the game and the console.
Actually PS3 is 678 Aussie Dollars at JB HiFi :D Plus I think they are giving away at fairly cheaper price then anyother retailers. I got Halo 3 Limited edition for 100$ while ebgames was selling the normal version for 100$;) Not advertising just telling people who don't know. Anyways back on the topic. This guy has a legit point. Everyone will see at the end of the day GTA4 as software will sell more on the 360 but it won't help them in selling the 360. People who have a 360 will buy the 360 version. But people who don't own a nextgen console will buy a ps3 to play gta4.
mmmm another post bashing MS with GTAIV...panic?
well dont cry about mate, you are getting the "superior" version arnt you? oh but compared to all these anti m$ articles i suppose that doesn't mean sh!t anymore right? stop whining about the news of this bundle and be happy you even have gta on the 360.