Xbox One’s 8GB RAM Allows “Robust Particle Effects”, Hypervisor Is Awesome – Killer Instinct Dev

GB - "Double Helix Games talks about the benefits of developing for the console."

[Mystogan]

nobody is talking about Hypervisor because it's a positive thing for the X1. We only talk about the negatives. AA batteries..pshhh.. right guys?

[staticdash22]

Yep. Are we still living in 2003? I thought MS was trying to push us into the future? lol

[malokevi]

"why push us away from something that's readily available and easily accessible to everyone?"

:p

[pedrof93]

If that's true Ps4's particles will even be better.

Since it has better ram and all.

[NewMonday]

it's going to be close to impossible to make the the XB1 standout technically in a way that will impress core gamers, because other than Kinect the specs are inferior across the board compared to the PS4, so anything the XBone dose the PS4 can do better.

[PFFT]

Lets see, Direct X 11.2(Xbox Only), Tiled resources Microsoft is a Software company SO it will have better Tools and Optimizations. if that doesnt impress anyone well that just means you are a Sony sheep.

[nukeitall]

@newmonday:

"it's going to be close to impossible to make the the XB1 standout technically in a way that will impress core gamers, because other than Kinect the specs are inferior across the board compared to the PS4,"

That is what was said about the Xbox 360 and PS3, and we know how that story went. That is of course, ignoring the fact that console market has changed signficantly from being game centric, to be more of an all around entertainment console.

"so anything the XBone dose the PS4 can do better."

That is of course ignoring features (remember how PS3 couldn't get cross game chat with supposed superior hardware) and content.

No matter what PS4 can achieve, I still can't play Ryse on it. Software and platform is the differentiating factor. Hardware is useless without software!

[Seafort]

@PFFT
You mean megatextures that were already in Rage the game by id software?

Direct X 11 has been on PC for years but most of it's techniques have hardly been utilised because the console ports were DX9.

Most devs are just lazy and will not put any effort into any games they don't need to do. Look at the PS3 games this gen. The 3rd party devs couldn't be arsed to learn it's architecture so it got piss poor ports from the inferior xbox.

It's all about parity and not developing the games to the strengths of each platform.

[HammadTheBeast]

@PFFT

11.2 doesn't even matter, most games still use DX 10 or 11, there's maybe a 5% that bother to go ahead.

[NewMonday]

@@PFFT

you know DX is only relevant on MS based platforms because it is the only way they allow devs to access the hardware, it doesn't give you anything the hardware isn't able to handle.

@nukeitall

the 360 had better architecture, the PS3 had more raw power but was bottlenecked by RAM and the difficult CELL, that's why most 3rd party games were better on the 360 and only exclusives showed the PS3 potential.

this time around the PS4 architecture is better AND the power difference is much bigger, meaning 3rd, 2nd and 1st party games will all stand out on the PS4.

next gen you will hardly see any XBone vs PS4 face-off because the XB1 will loss every time

[mikeslemonade]

Killer Instinct is going to be a flop. It's a small-time developer that hasn't made a good game ever. They have no good reputation. Double-Helix made Silent Hill Homecoming which was there best game in 2008..

[JackOfAllBlades]

@PFFT

DirectX 11.2 will also be available to PC gamers thank you very much. I am a PC gamer but will eventually pick up a PS4 for the exclusives. The Xbox looks alright, but I probably won't pick one up for years, and only then if it doesn't have problems and has a nice selection of exclusives I'd like to play.

[Gozer]

I would say MS is pushing us into the future. Who thought of Achievements?Who thought of cross game chat? Who thought of using voice recognition in a console? Who had 8GB of RAM and forced sony to add 4 more GBs?

Who has 300 thousands servers ready to make dedicated servers part of their online gaming service? Who has a special algorhythmm in their online service that matches you with the best people for your online game? Who allows you to review other players and give them an online reputation? Who allows in-game video chat?etc,etc,etc

Ive noticed most people here choose to focus on the negatives of a MS consoles instead of what they have done to improve gaming. Sad state if you ask me.

[tokugawa]

as per usual, the trolls arrive and the useless mods do nothing...

[DragonKnight]

@Gozer: "Who thought of Achievements?" Individual games have had achievements well before Live was created.

"Who thought of cross game chat?"

PC

"Who had 8GB of RAM and forced sony to add 4 more GBs?"

Where's your proof of that?

"Who has 300 thousands servers ready to make dedicated servers part of their online gaming service?"

Firstly, there's no indication that there will be 300K physical servers. Secondly, that's not a move towards the future. That's simply taking what already exists and adding more of it.

"Who has a special algorhythmm in their online service that matches you with the best people for your online game?"

Ummm... are you serious?

"Who allows you to review other players and give them an online reputation?"

Again, how is this something that moves anyone towards the future? This kind of thing already exists in other forms across platforms like the PC.

"Who allows in-game video chat?"

*sigh*

"Ive noticed most people here choose to focus on the negatives of a MS consoles instead of what they have done to improve gaming. Sad state if you ask me."

What Microsoft has done to improve gaming they did with the original Xbox, and that was Xbox Live. Since then they haven't done anything to improve gaming. With the Xbox 360 they were perfectly fine with retaining the disc medium of the previous gen, they didn't ship their console with built in wi-fi, they didn't allow for the user to swap out harddrives with anything but their own proprietary hard drive.

Unless you consider a paywall to be moving the future forward, what did the 360 do to move gaming forward? Remember, Live already existed with the original Xbox so the most you could say was "they improved Live."

[andrewer]

stop flooding staticdash22 inbox lol

[razrye]

My thoughts exactly

[Gozer]

@DragonKnight
The only thing you did was pick and choose and avoid over half of my response. I feel like Ive already wasted too much time on you obvious troll attempt. So good luck with your P2P servers and inferior online community with plain jJane features.

[MazzingerZ]

@Gozer
All that was Bungie's ideas, Halo 2 online features, MSFT just took them and implemented them as theirs

[Evilsnuggle]

PFFT** I love XBOTS Only they can make a disadvantage looks like an advantage. Example kinect PFFT DIRECT X 11.2(ONLY on xbone) is not hey advantage its a disadvantage The ps4's opengl based API like PS2's API & PS3's libGCM offers much more low level access to the hardware without the need to go through nearly as many abstraction layers as DirectX does. This lets developers to take advantage of the performance benefits it offers over DirextX. do not offer much low level access to hardware. It has to go through numerous abstraction layers and isn't that efficient. Back in 2011 AMD's chef was complaining how much DirectX holds back pc performance. [source] http://www.tomshardware.com... http://www.bit-tech.net/har... numerous 3rd party Xbox360 developers have talked about how the custom DirectX for Xbox holds back performance. [source] http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

The ps4's opengl based API like PS2's API & PS3's libGCM offers much more low level access to the hardware without the need to go through nearly as many abstraction layers as DirectX does. Sony is also offering a highlevel wrapper giving developers easier tools to work with [source] http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... PS4 also uses Direct X 11.

[DragonKnight]

@Gozer: "So good luck with your P2P servers."

Oh, you mean like Xbox 360's Live service? And I'm interested in seeing the information you have that says the PS4 is going to have P2P servers and what the features of PS+ are going to be. You clearly don't know what they are and it's laughable that you think that tv integration is such a necessary, innovative feature that is for real gamers.

[trafalger]

can anyone explain why sony fanboys continue to come into xbone topics and not discuss the actual article?

"The Xbox One has a ton of memory in the form of 8GB DDR3 RAM, so we asked them about how the team benefits from it, to which they replied, “Higher resolution textures, dynamic high quality music, and robust screen/ particle effects are just a few things that we are able to do with all of the glorious memory.”"

so instead of talking about how extra ram helps developers some users are talking about the disc medium on the x360???

am i missing something here?

listen carefully, if the xbone doesn't interest you then bugger off and take your personal issues somewhere private.

[Gozer]

@DragonKnight
You tried to play off my op with nonsense. You didnt come across with anything informative, thats not my fault.

Sony simply hasnt been investing enough in their online infrastructure, Ms spent billions on theirs. But sony has been in diar straights financially so I imagine they are spread pretty thin. PSN will still not be the equivalant of Live next gen. But it will be worth the price they are chargging.

MS has grown the online gaming industry with Live. And yes dedicated servers for all games was lacking this gen with the 360, but next gen Live will be the place to be for online gaming. With snap mode, dedicated servers on all online games, in game video chat{hey look we dont have to wonder if the chic we are talking to looks like a circus tent}, Smart Match, as welll as the tv features, all combine to make a very compeling purchase.

With the ps4, simply put,you get a more powerful ps3 nothing more,nothing less.

[JP1369]

@Pfft

The fact that you think Direct X is an advantage makes you the sheep. Sigh, this site is full of morons.

[corvusmd]

nevermind that the controller itself is a huge improvement on top of already being the most comfortable an accurate console controller ever...lets focus on the fact that it gives us the OPTION to use AA batteries, get a rechargable battery, or plug it in directly with ANY USB/Mini Usb cable (like the one a PS3 uses) and have the most accurate controller you can have without using any battery....nope...that's WAY worse than a controller that loses half it's "upgraded functions" because the system doens't come with the components to make it work

[corvusmd]

Well Hammad

have fun with that open gl then...whether the XB1 uses the available and exclusive DX 11/11.1/11.2 their drivers are much better than the Open GL PS4 will use. YES, I know it was mentioned back in March that PS4 would utilize DX 11...for blu-ray play functionality....but for games it's always been Open GL....but since you think it's a waste of time and worthless to use these drivers that every developer loves...don't worry, it won't be a problem of yours

[Blacktric]

"That is of course, ignoring the fact that console market has changed signficantly from being game centric, to be more of an all around entertainment console."

Spoken like a true MS PR guy. Keep this up and I'm sure they'll make you host the next E3 conference.

I mean that second half of the quoted sentence alone is enough to make anyone, who at least knows some basic stuff about the industry, throw themselves out of the nearest window...

[rainslacker]

@Gozer

I find it odd...being a "Sony dominated site", that you would get a well said when not a single thing you listed can be credited to MS.

"Who thought of Achievements?"

Any number of games that came out before the Xbox. Star Ocean 3 seems popular on Gaf as one of the first. That's what I found with a cursory look up on google. I can remember them being implemented in some games before that, although can't remember specifically which ones. I guess they could be credited as being the first to have system wide achievements in a structured setting though.

"Who thought of cross game chat?"

PC. Been available for a very long time. On a side note, until recently, MS was considered to be one of the worst providers of voice chat software. Skype uped their service considerably when they brought it. I remember using cross game chat back when I used compuserve over 20 years ago.

"Who thought of using voice recognition in a console?"

Nintendo in 1998 for the N64 with the game Hey You, Pikachu! as recorded by the guiness book of world records.

http://www.guinnessworldrec...

"Who had 8GB of RAM and forced sony to add 4 more GBs?"

Dunno. MS never confirmed it's 8GB of RAM until the reveal. Dev's were asking for more RAM, so I guess they forced both companies.

"Who has 300 thousands servers ready to make dedicated servers part of their online gaming service?"

No one. Not all those servers are dedicated to gaming, despite popular reports. Even if there were, it doesn't match up to the actual number of servers that MS has for cloud. They wouldn't dedicate that many physical resources to X1 when there is much more money in other applications. 300K if true is probably virtual servers, in which case they should have just aimed high and said 1 million since no one who keeps throwing out this number researches Azure anyways.

"Who has a special algorhythmm in their online service that matches you with the best people for your online game?"

Steam announced this feature back in 2008.

"Who allows you to review other players and give them an online reputation?"

Social media sites. Pogo did this back in the day before the EA takeover. Probably after as well. I recall not wanting to play with people who had one star.

"Who allows in-game video chat?"

PS4 does. Wii U does for some games(Tanks, Tanks, Tanks being the only one I know of for sure).

Now, I won't say that MS doesn't provide features for their users, because they do indeed offer those things you listed. But they are hardly the forerunner, or the creator, of any of these innovations that you give them credit for.

[gcolley]

Another xbox article taken over by trolls. Mental problems much?

[Ritsujun]

Xbone180's dead before release.

[Mounce]

Lets talk about the Powerglove.

Lets talk about Hypervisor.

I feel a similar fate coming here.

[theWB27]

Are you trying to compare tech that is already proven and been around for years to a add-on peripheal?

Desparate much Mounce?? LOL seriously...we can't take the hypervisor out and play with it.

[Loki86]

No comment.

I will however say that hypervisor is in someway in both consoles because they can both suspend/resume, it just has better implementation on the X1 because it can free up to 7.5g for gaming and transfer that Ram usage on the fly to snap bars or new processes.

[PFFT]

Take a break Mr.Tryhard!

[Mounce]

@PFFT

I clearly didn't need to try hard to get so many people upset by saying one stupid thing. I wasn't even trolling, I just say one random thing and silly zealous users on this site love jumping at others throats, overly-hostile random nobodies attacking strangers, Bravo!

[theWB27]

"@PFFT "

"I clearly didn't need to try hard to get so many people upset by saying one stupid thing. I wasn't even trolling, I just say one random thing and silly zealous users on this site love jumping at others throats, overly-hostile random nobodies attacking strangers, Bravo!"

Urban Dictionary-The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

Real meaning-Verb
Fish by trailing a baited line along behind a boat: "we trolled for mackerel".
Search for something.

Hey Mounce...that is the very definition of trolling. Thanks for admitting...that's always the first step. Now that you've acknowledged you're a troll..the next step is to not do it and people won't reply to you the way they do.

I hope this helps in your future posts, wherever they may be.

[t3rrorc3ll]

wb27 the word is trawling when it is used in fishing terms. Not even close. Seriously where do you guys get your education from

[Mounce]

@theWB27

Thanks for the laugh. Haha XD

[LordMaim]

When they talk about actual numerical specs for the CPU and GPU, then I'll talk about the positives. If there turn out to be any, of course.

[GodGinrai]

Yes....Its true...I like to play the graphics too..I dont care about how good a game plays..I play the tesselation and HDR lighting.

[quenomamen]

Hard to talk about the positives when we the consumers almost got our collective asses tore up by MS less than 3 months ago and have been nothing but flip flopping BS artists since then. So excuse us for not getting moist about some particle effects in a rehash of a game from 1992, maybe if they announce they're also re-releasing Mortal Kombat with particle effects that will help us forget.

[jackanderson1985]

they tried something new, there was negative backlash so they changed it.

not quite sure what the issue is and why people keep bringing it up... companies try new things quite often, sometime they're a hit sometimes they're not

Remember MS didn't have to change anything and i know people will say "oh the pre-order numbers" that's what changed their mind.. but who pre-orders? the customers so therefore they were listening to the feedback and changing it to adapt to the markets demands

[andrewsqual]

@jackanderson1985 They removed their own restrictions of whats main goal was to get EVEN more money out of you. That's it. Thank you Microsoft? Now you just continue to rip your fans off with your new console like the way you always have with the 360? Why is that still good?

[Markissluv]

I think it's time for some people to grow up. If a company does something you aren't happy with then speak out. When they change it, be happy and move on. Enough of this crying and wining about how microsoft tried to screw the consumer. Get over yourselves. They are a business and aren't here wipe your a$$.

[razrye]

Genius reply. Thank god for someone with sense. Bubble up

[Evilsnuggle]

Yes *jackanderson*
lets all give microSCAM a award for changing their policies because of lack of pre orders .thank you we microSCAM no one wants to buy a xbone so you change things wonderful.
markissluv*
If you in a store and they had bad business practices and screwed up your order and overcharged you would you go back to that store. Maybe I should just get over it and go back to that store chances are it's going to happen again. If the xbone sell double or triple the game console more than PS4 DRM,always online, no used games and mandatory KINECT would all be back tomorrow.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

New Mondays comment reeks of insecurity please Jesus someone save this child.

Even Monday doesn't belive what he just said. Hes just trying desperatetly find an argument that isn't there. You need to put your insecure fanboy "justifications" to bed.

[3-4-5]

Nobody cares about particle effects in a fighting game, we do care they your charging us per character.

Learn what people really want Microsoft.

[Markissluv]

People seem to want choice and if you did your research you would see that you have the option of paying for the game as a whole and not just individual characters.

[spoonard]

What does it say when the negatives are so much more prominent than the positives though? Everytime I see a story that tries to hype the X1's hardware capabilities, I think "Yeah, but the PS4 will do that better."

[TwistedMetal]

there is nothing positive about the xbox one as long as the ps4 exists. its best just to get the ps4 right now so that the xbox one and Microsoft will actually have to give you deals and lowerthe price for the xbox one.

[showtimefolks]

PS4 architecture is better AND the power difference is much bigger, meaning 3rd, 2nd and 1st party games will all stand out on the PS4.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Sad little kids on this site pretending to be neutral.

[ShiranaiJittai]

@seafort "Most devs are just lazy and will not put any effort into any games they don't need to do. Look at the PS3 games this gen. The 3rd party devs couldn't be arsed to learn it's architecture so it got piss poor ports from the inferior xbox."

YOU ARE WRONG dead wrong. Let me first start by saying that I definitely prefer the PS3 to the 360 and have owned a Playstation product since the N64 Launch date so don't argue "loyalty" here. Saying most devs are lazy and can't be bothered to learn the hardware?

This is IGNORANCE So much more is required to make videogames then it was 20 years ago. Games cost an insurmountable amount more to make than they used to, They require much more time to develop, many more programs, and factors are involved, What used to be a dozen or so on a team has become THOUSANDS.

This is why I constantly find myself joining and quitting forum sites the ignorance. I love SONY (Playstation division specifically) don't get me wrong one of my all time favorite companies though I definitely think they used to be better than they are now (though PS4 looks to be back on the right track so far)

For you to say that all devs are lazy though? Just ignorance shame on you. Every game no matter how reviews receive it people put their heart blood and tears into making. It doesn't matter what platform it is on the amount of risk vs reward involved in game production is staggering. Educate yourself look past the coke bottle glasses. That is all I ask. Again to reiterate I am NOT calling you stupid but ignorant meaning poorly informed. So inform yourself get the facts straight so you can be taken seriously.

[Ksar]

Awesome !

Xbox One, day one.

[Itzzlogic]

Me too! Day zero

[dcj0524]

Day -1

[GodGinrai]

Day minus two!

[niaboc]

Day one

[xKugo]

Yea me too, bro!!
Day Never!! :))))

[first1NFANTRY]

good to hear. the more features both consoles have the better multiplats will be for everyone.

[Biggest]

That may not be true. Here's to hoping that none of the console manufacturers force parity at the detriment of one or the other.

[starchild]

That's never happened, so I don't know why you would be worried about it.

Some games looked or ran better on PS3, some looked or ran better on the 360.

If there was some kind of rule that games had to be equal we wouldn't have seen that.

[Gazondaily]

"Imagine waiting in a lobby for your match to start while you read through a gamefaq on some combos you want to practice during the match.”

THIS I can see myself doing a lot. In fact, when I was playing MK9, I was on my phone constantly watching people perform combos on Youtube.

I really hope the snap features operate intuitively and smoothly.

[n4rc]

ill be honest... this is where the TV integration will be huge for me.. i'll end up throwing the tv on in the corner while im waiting..... but the ability to watch walkthroughs while in the game is going to be a nice feature as well...

[Saddam_hussein]

Gonna watch baseball while I play baseball

[GodGinrai]

"the ability to watch walkthroughs while in the game is going to be a nice feature as well..."

Handy for games like skyrim and so forth :D

[Gekko36]

@iMixMasTer872 Yes I like my games the same way I like sex... CASUAL. Chill the f*ck out!

[Mystogan]

yeah it looks like you can snap videos too. That is just killer man.

[kneon]

But there is no reason this couldn't have been done without the hypervisor.

The hypervisor is mainly there to allow running windows apps but still have the games not runnable on windows as that would have made piracy trivial and the pirate wouldn't even need an Xb1.

Using multiple OSes and a hypervisor is a simple and robust solution but it does introduce additional overhead.

[jackanderson1985]

i'm going to use it primarily when there's a game on i want to watch but it's boring as hell so i've it on in the corner incase something magnificent happens then i can easily bring it up watch it fullscreen while the game is paused...

[JokesOnYou]

yep, you got that right jack!

[voodoogts]

Article dated now... Xbox one with another hardware 180.... lol
16 cores and 12gb gddr with esram. Trying to one up PS4.
http://youtu.be/fcc0MMS7Rjq

[ABeastNamedTariq]

1.) Your link didn't work for me, video wasn't found. Maybe it's bad?

2.) They aren't adding 12GB of RAM. Or a 16-core processor. Not this late in the game. They'd be even more behind on manufacturing.

EDIT: Oh, I see you're just a troll.

[jackanderson1985]

ha i'd just like to point out the 360 only went into production 69 days before it's launch so it's not unheard of for MS to leave it to late to get it going

have to agree thought doubt they'll change the specs

[Kayant]

I think that was one of the rumored dev kits iirc from the early days where the rumors were crazy :p http://www.tomshardware.com...

[Evilsnuggle]

Yes *kayant*
They scratch that one in favor of more KINECT. KINECT is much better than a 'Ridiculously Powerful' 16-Core CPU. Lol LOL LOL lol :-) 16 cores sounds like PS4 has 16 core GPU

[Belking]

Awesome! can't wait for Killer instinct and those snap features of the xbox-one.

[r21]

The title made me thought the game utilized all 8Gigs :I
The 5Gig is indeed glorious, the particle effects they used in KI on xbox one is amazing to see! Double Helix has really stepped their quality up from games like Battleship, Green Lantern.

[Mystogan]

they can use 7gigs

[ABeastNamedTariq]

How so? They have 5 for games and 3 for OS, right? Just wondering.

[r21]

Googled and found this linl: http://www.handytips.info/1...

Unless I missed out some new info, its just 5Gigs and 5 is still plentiful enough for next gen gaming :D This gen, 512Mb was enough for games like Halo 4, The Last of Us, Far Cry 3. Who knows what with 4+Gigs can produce!

[Hicken]

At best, the hypervisor will allow for about an extra gig of flex space.

The XB1 is designed to use 3GB for the OS; you can pull some of that away, but it'll likely cause the OS performance to suffer.

Who knows? Before it gets to shelves, somebody will test it and see just how true Microsoft's claims are.

[MarkusMcNugen]

Its not a set standard amount of RAM for the three kernels. There was never any evidence behind the 5GB for games and 3GB for the kernels. The hypervisor allows the console to free up RAM dynamically. As far as I know, the 3GB for the kernels rumor started after Sony and the whole 1GB of RAM for their FreeBSD based OS. Some Sony fanboy went "1GB for Sonys OS, and Xbox One has 3 OSes, so it must use 3GBs of RAM" Herp derpin all the way to the internets.

BTW... an OS does not a kernel make

http://www.giantbomb.com/fo...

[xKugo]

Who told you they can use 7 gig of RAM? Link, please.

[theWB27]

@ABeastNamedTariq

That's what the hypervisor is for. It can suspend the other apps running and free up extra gigs for gaming. How much, we don't know.

It's also how they are accomplishing the snap feature...or being able to watch tv while a game loads etc.

[PFFT]

Taken from GIANTBOMB:

"Why on earth do you care about this?

The whole point behind everything above is to accurately express what resources are available to games. We've all seen the information stating that games are provided with 5 gigabytes of memory, 6 of the CPU cores, and supposedly 90% of the CPU cycles. That's going up against the PS4's 8 gigabytes, and a similar processor. Granted, the memory on the PS4 has almost twice the bandwidth, but there are other pieces in the Xbox One that make up for it. Still sounds like a losing hardware battle.

Here's the reality though. We have 8 gigabytes of memory. 5 of which are untouchable and only for games. A developer can always expect at the very least to have those 5 gigabytes. Let's assume that the hypervisor on this thing takes up half a gig of memory. That leaves 2.5 gigabytes available to the Windows kernel. It's not dedicated, but it has access to that 2.5. That doesn't mean your apps will always consume 5/16th of your Xbox One's memory.

The beauty of a hypervisor is we can shut off or suspend operating systems without any effect to others on that same machine. Got a game that needs to load up 6 gigabytes into memory? That's fine - the apps side won't even get in the way. How about 7 gigabytes? I think that's kind of outlandish but let's just suppose. If apps can't run within that last half gig of memory we can just suspend the whole thing and give the whole 7.5 gigabytes to the game."

And that is a FACT, with Hypervision Xbox can use 7 gb of ram for gaming. And yes if i am not mistaken the PS4 also uses Hypervision or an alternate version or something like it.

[imt558]

I think that's kind of outlandish but let's JUST SUPPOSE. If apps can't run within that last half gig of memory we can just suspend the whole thing and give the whole 7.5 gigabytes to the game."

I think in PS4 is 9 GB of RAM. Let's JUST SUPPOSE it will be 9 GB. There is no 7 GB for developers in XO. Max. 6 GB of RAM. Just like in PS4.

[4me2]

@PFFT

"whole 7.5 gigabytes to the game."

That would mean that Hypervisor and XBOX OS all together is about 0.5GB. You can not shoutdown Hypervisor and you need Xbox OS.

[Angeljuice]

If they'd used the far superior GDDR5 ram, it may sound more impressive, I'd rather have 4gb GDDR5 than 8GB DDR3.

When was the last time you saw DDR3 in a graphics card? There's a good reason for that.

[xKugo]

Oh really? This is fact, huh? Then why did the author of the article say, "I'm assuming things about the hypervisor in Xbox One"? Man, how dumb are Microsoft fanboys? You can't even read to the bottom of article before posting bullshit like this? Man you guys are fucking pathetic...

[PFFT]

Cause he is using the PC method as an example. And until MS explains a bit on how Hypervision works on the Xbox One everything will be nothing more than assumptions and PC example articles. BUT the fact of the matter is HYPERVISION is part of the Xbox One. And no matter how much a pathetic Sony sheep such as yourself bitches and moans this fact will not change.

[kingPoS]

You sir make sense.

I'd like to assume that both the PS4 & XB1's OS's are malleable to a degree.

[Shake_Zula]

Actually looking at Hyper-V for MS Server 2012 R2, which I imagine is basically the same hypervisor technology that is in the X1, The ability to dynamically change the amount of RAM for a Linux VM exists now.

http://www.infoworld.com/sl...

Chances are that on the X1, background processes run from a buffer located on the HDD, and rehydrates in RAM space once it is activated, but only if the game requires it. I'm thinking that this is just future-proofing on MS's part for when games will eventually need that.

The zinger in all that is that in the PC world Linux's hypervisor has had that for awhile in the form of VMWare, and while (ironically enough) MS's Hyper-V is more cost efficient, VMWare completely beats it out in terms of performance due to the lighter OS and near device-level access for the VMs.

So for comparison sake between the PS4 and X1, they both have hypervisors which is VERY basic, which functionally have the SAME features, although the PS4 has a linux-based hypervisor versus the MS-based hypervisor on X1. The differences are that the X1 is a highly modified Windows machine that runs 3 linux VMs, while the PS4 IS a hypervisor-machine that runs its different components as VM's and has dedicated processing units for everything in the background. Plus the hardware difference.

That's why MS wanted to go full-digital, because Hyper-V would run like butter with a VM (Games) that it can suspend in HDD space as opposed to the start/stop cycle we all know now.

Oddly enough, the choice to revert DRM puts me on the PS4 side of the fence.

[the worst]

ZZZzzzzZZZzZzZ what i learned from this is microsoft will tell u anything

[Mikelarry]

if there was one game i really wanted on a ps4 its this. im not gonna hate the game looks awesome. i know some of you guys are gonna be like well get the xbox 1 but ps4 is my system preference, all in all awesome game still

[Salooh]

I would love to get the game that alan wake developers making on ps4 :D . But i don't care about the rest. Even if they released another gears i'm not interested any more but i bet it will be a good game..

Sick of halo / fable / forza .
Ryse looks good but i don't like the gameplay , i hope i'm wrong though.

But i hope you guys have fun with them :P . PS4 all the way hehehehe

[strigoi814]

Sweet! XBOX ONE..Day None

[NarooN]

Day none? Doesn't that mean you'd never buy it?

. . .

[swerve121]

Yea Mike be a gamer buy what you want. Im a X1 fan but I bought both systems. And always do gamer 1st fan second

[DinoNYC]

What games has Double Helix made?

[MasterCornholio]

Silent Hill Homecoming
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Front Mission Evolved
MX vs. ATV Reflex
Green Lantern: Rise of the Manhunters
Battleship
Strider
Harker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

They dont have a very good history of producing great games.

:(

[Fireseed]

Yeah but KI looks and plays absolutely amazingly! So who cares about their past anymore. All studios can make up for a shitty history with just one game.

[GodGinrai]

I think the important thing is the team at double helix who are working on KI. They have fighting game pedigree. Google that shit ;)

[GiantEnemyCrab]

As well as the lead from the original KI is heading the team doing the remake. I've heard more good than bad about the game.

[MasterCornholio]

Im going to be a complete jerk and say this.

Im glad that both systems have 8GBs of ram.

:)

[Eonjay]

There are some technical details that bring the validity of the enhance hypervisor functions into questions. Primarily, if the hypervisor can assign memory from applications to the Game OS, what happens if you want to snap an application such as a web browser? Will the Hypervisor every take memory resources away from the Game OS and give it to the APP. I doubt this. There has to be some sort of limit if we are going to keep the APPs from effecting game play. I do however believe that Hypervisor will make switching much more fluid. Even faster than the PS4 if managed correctly.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The problem is Hypervisor isn't sexy...hard to get the masses excited for an OS that talks to other OS's. I agree its a great, but just so hard for most to be "excited" for this.

[shivvy24]

"just let it happen , it'll soon be over"

Did they actually script that at E3 ? LOL

[gdguide]

It's hard to take MS seriously with features when they mention the cloud with it's horrible bandwidth as a way of boosting visuals.

That said, this hyper visor thing could make a difference. Probably not enough as an actual GPU and processor boost to match the PS4's specs, but an increase in ram is always a good thing.

[cell989]

all this hype about Microsoft's software tools and amazing dev tools, yet the PS3 managed to cook better games than anything the 360 ever did, and that was with an inferior GPU card. Anything the xbone does the PS4 will do as well, but its the exclusives that will showcase the PS4's superior hardware

[Izzy408]

fanboyism at its finest.

[cell989]

Ill take that last statement back, lets just wait until the exclusives from each console start pouring

[fsfsxii]

He said what actually happened.
And gets called fanboyism.
Your comment is stupidity and delusion at its finest.

[solidjun5]

Says the fanboy who just trolled the vita article.

[jlo]

PS4 fanboys vs Xbox Fanboys: HA! Your specs suck

PS4 fanboys vs PC Fanboys: Huh what specs don't matter! Honest

Same old sh*t on N4G.

[SwiftArsonist]

people talk here like MS is only interested in money, like Sony: the defenders of gaming! please!, u still gonna pay 400.00 plus psn plus. so u will be spending money that goes to sony, so please stop putting sony in a pedestal since half of u sony drones where nno where to be seen on the ps3 cycle.

[Theendgame]

I fail to see what's so impressive here. Aren't high res textures and robust particle effects supposed to be the norm this upcoming gen? The Xbox one isn't a gamecube.

I guess people weren't expecting this because of the type of ram used?? If not that then...This isn't news.

[JohnS1313]

Robust particle effects? Another way of saying boring?

[arbitor365]

Battleship (metascore 38)
Front mission (metascore 58)
Green lantern: Rise of the Manhunters (metascore 59)
GI joe: rise of cobra (metascore 42)

this dev has tons of credibility

[fsfsxii]

Popcorn.jpg

[HappyTrigger]

lol at all these people coming in here to make sure they justify their purchase and then bashing a console they will probably never get.

The developers are just sayng they like the console's massive ram and how it makes everything better and of course, the article turns to crap. Seeing as how this is an Xbone article it's no surprise. If this was a PS4 article we wouldn't be seeing all the crap comments.

[JunioRS101]

You really can't trust devs that are making exclusives for either console.

Exclusive devs are basically salesmen of their respective platforms, because their primary goal is to grow their potential audience as much as possible, so that more people will be able to purchase their game.

*yawn*

I don't trust exclusive devs on console praise, on either side of the isle.

[kingPoS]

.
Does anyone remember the 16bit golden age... well... it looks like were in for repeat folks.

[OhhWerd]

I like both ps4 and Xbox one, which is why instead of bickering, I bought both.

[Consoldtobots]

are you from the future? are you lookin for Sarah COnnor?

[OhhWerd]

No just John.....seen him?

[Rageanitus]

God another one of these articles. Can we not just wait 6 months to see what both of these consoles really have to offer in terms of direct comparison.

I loved my PS2 and PS3, but I have to say this... why is the Sony crowd getting their panties wet over specs.... saying this is and that is better than Xbox. They make the RAM seem like it is the holy grail of gaming when they don't even know how much the RAM will help from a pure technical stand point.

Lets wait and then debate... but then again were going to see a whole slew of muddy screen shot comparisons like this gen.

[Lulz_Boat]

it's funny how this word "hypervisor" THE SAME THAT IT'S USED BY THE PS3, it's now something like a super mega feature that will improve the performance x1000 just like the cloud shit.

LOL, xbots are really really desperates

[kevnb]

Somehow ram has become the most important part of computer performance according to console makers...

[THC CELL]

Ms need to get naughty dog to unlock the full power of Xbox. Love that won't u

[Picnic]

The extra effects that the PS4 might have room to do might be the cherry on the cake in a few cases later on in the generation but you still need to like the cake itself. And that's why which exclusives you happen to like can be important. Like I like the look of Sunset Overdrive. The PS4 doesn't have that particular style in its line up. And early on, we don't tend to be given the deepest games so XboxOne's shiny Forza cars and Ryse's QTEs will do the trick to keep us interested. It's later on that the PS4 might - based on past generations - come in to its own.

[cyclindk]

It had better! Same with PS4... don't know what excuse CoD Ghosts has right now..

On a side note, anyone notice the particle effects with the Bloaters in The Last of Us??

Freaking amazing

[Mister_G]

Yeah, who needs next gen? Lol :)

[cyclindk]

Well we all know Naughty Dog is a generation ahead of the consoles they are working on currently anyway.