GT:Michael Pachter evaluates the Xbox One’s mandatory pack-in.
Cause it's the only way folks will buy it! ;)
good answers this time from Patcher.
The original Kinect sold a lot,MS wants the money from casual games. The reason why most people are upset with it is because MS completely forgot about the hardcore gamers for the past 4 years, instead they launched all these Kinect based games that were horrible ( Steel Battalion, anyone?)
Steel Battalion.. sob sob, I remember always wanting to own the original version of that with that huge accessory that you needed to play it.. looked so awesome.
@xHeavYx, Kinect is bundled with every 360 here in Oz, if it was to sell on it's own then the numbers would likely be less than Move.
MS recovered a week after E3? lol Keep dreaming Pachter.
@BitbyDeath Kinect is 100% optional here in Australia. There are bundles with Kinect and a few Kinect games. There are bundles without Kinect that have a few Non Kinect games with it. You can buy a 4gb or 250gb Console on its own without games or Kinect. So no the Kinect is not bundled with EVERY Xbox 360.
I'll tell you why. Because MS spent too much money on the tech not to include it. If they didn't include it, they'd have a hard time recouping that loss.
Perhaps they never should have spent money on it to begin with then.
kinect being bundled is unnecessary and will throw off a huge amount of potential customers. microsoft will bleed money because of this imo.
Nope! Kinect is very popular for kids and family's it is great fun for all. While some will get put off with the price another person will just fill that gap
Everyone that I know with kinect (Wii/move) never uses it anymore.
The problem is though that there isn't anything at launch for families or kids though. There is very little to justify it's inclusion at launch other than "the future" which seems to be everyone at Microsoft's Xbox division's favourite come back to everything.
popular with kids? My six year old hardly touches hers other than Kinectimals. She played some Kinect adventures a bit. I got her Once Upon a Monster and she won't touch it. She said the kinect is boring, she will be seven next month.
The fad has passed, sorry,. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fad
"The problem is though that there isn't anything at launch for families or kids though." Not much point, MS know the 'casuals' won't shell out £449.99 for a new console so for now their focus is on 'gamers', the early adopters. When the price drops a bit I'm betting we will see them shift their focus from 'gamers' to 'casuals', just like what happened with the 360.
Why are PS fanboys always the Kinect experts.
the same reason x fans are move experts @wraith, like john carmack who praised move ?
Barely anyone mentions Move, not even sony fans, lol. Edit: No, it's because it's borderline useless. Have a nice day. The person above mentioned move(off topic) while lying through their teeth.
@ WeAiTh Sp3cTr3 --maybe move isnt mentioned because its not FORCED on us
"Barely anyone mentions Move, not even sony fans, lol." Because it's not for everyone, and its creators know this.
Sony fans aren't as deluded as the MS specimens, Sony fans know the Move is very niche and only good for some things and that's not hardcore gaming. MS specimens need constantly to justify the Kinect to themselves hence they defend it and call it the most brilliant device to be conceived upon this earth even though a monkey knows a motion controller without tactile feedback is pretty much broken from the start.
@aiBreeze "The problem is though that there isn't anything at launch for families or kids though. There is very little to justify it's inclusion at launch other than "the future" which seems to be everyone at Microsoft's Xbox division's favourite come back to everything." The whole system is built around the camera. It isn't JUST for games. There are games, not family, that are taking advantage of the camera- like Dead Rising 3. Other than the games...the system takes advantage of the camera also.
M$ has not finished revealing games and uses for X1. There are a whole lot of games and features that are yet to be talked about, by both M$ and Sony. To say that they will be no family games at launch is unsubstantiated. We do have Gamescom coming in a few day, No?
We do..but the first part of my comment is what aiBreeze wrote...my opinion on the matter is the second paragraph. We do have gamescon...but I'm just as excited for the system features as the game features.
Sorry about that theWB27. I was just adding to your comment. I was aware that you were quoting aiBreeze in the 1st paragraph and was also commenting mostly on his first line.
Doubt it, the average consumer will probably think it's pretty cool. Hardcore gamers might not. Like here on n4g, a community where most of us are hardcore gamers.
The average user will use it for a while, then relegate it to the back of the closet. That's what happens with novelty products. See Wii for reference.
Damn you Dirty Pimp-Its about time I buy T2 on bluray since the dvd version I have its all scratchy from so many times Ihave watched it(thanks to you commenting and cannot help it but go and watch it) :)
It's only forced on you only if you buy it. Just don't buy it then it won't be forced on you. I never had a problem with kinect. Xbox one day one for me. Pre-ordered mine since day one. All this kinect force upon us stuff is just to get a rise out of people. no one is forcing you to buy an xbox one. why complaint? My logic is not bunked at all. Millions of people will get xbox one. This is not a monopoly. get another console if you the like the one. hint [ps4]
Your logic is totally bunked. "It's only forced on you only if you buy it" What about the people that DO want to buy Xbox One, but don't want or are not interested in Kinect? They are then being forced to buy into an accessory that they don't like and most likely will have little interested in using. They are being forced into it because they have no alternative if they are only interested in the Xbox One. By your logic, I should open a restaurant and serve all my entrees with a side of goat turd. If my customers tell me they want my entrees, but don't want a fresh and stinky side of goat turd to accompany them, I should just tell my customers "Well nobody is forcing you to come and eat in my restaurant. I'm not forcing you to come in and buy my food. That's the way it is. Deal with it".
Kinect is part of the system just like how the Wii U tablet controller is to that system. If you people don't want it, buy a PS4. If gamers want a next gen system that is not just a supped-up X360 with prettier graphics, and see the benefit of Kinect of bringing in new and exciting gameplay element, and think the $500 is justify, then that is their choice. Without a Kinect guaranteed in every Sku, developers just wouldn't use it to its full potential and will be left 4 dead just like every accessories that came before it. If gamers just want a supped-up PS3/X360 and don't think a system with a camera justify an extra $100, PS4 is or them, it is their choice and so be it. We are really beating a DEAD HORSE here.
The Xbox One comes with a camera. That's the product Microsoft is offering. They have reversed everything concerning the system all the way down to you being able to disconnect the device. But they have said the camera will still be there. I hope they stick to their guns on this. Devs will only take advantage if they know the camera is being supported. If it's not bundled, it's a wasted accessory...period. It really is that simple. The One, for now, comes with a camera. If you don't want the camera, get a PS4 or WiiU.
goat turd XD
I hope they make an Xbone bundle with a side of goat-turd. i might buy it then to play Ryse and insomniac's game, it'd still be better than kinect lol
Ms Negativecreepp427, Its very simple: the people that don't want to be "forced" to buy a KINECT are the ones that getting a PS4 and the ONEs that like the idea of KINECT and the real next-gen experience like my self are getting the XB-1 , jump in and join the darkside.
maybe people want an xbox one, but dont want to use a kinect? Why should someone be forced to pay more for something they want when they wont use a hundred dollars worth of stuff that comes with it. It would be like someone buying a computer that is with a game controller. Not everybody that buys a computer wants a controller, but people would be forced to pay more for it anyway. Its just an idiotic concept that MS has brought on. The only way I would ever continue on from 360 to xbox one is if they made a kinectless SKU
Because thats life? Every single product out there can be said to have features you don't want/need yet are "forced" to pay for. Thats why we have competition.
"Because thats life?" That has to be the worst justification for kinect's mandatory inclusion I've read so far. Also, features of a product and a separate external accessory are completely different things. Say what you want but the 180 Microsoft done by allowing people to use Xbox One without kinect (good move imho) means kinect is no longer a feature of the system but a mandatory accessory forced upon people.
its still mandatory if you want the full experience of the xbox one.. all they have allowed you to do is cripple your console to satisfy peoples paranoia.. without destroying the 100% adoption rate promised to developers and customers. allowing the unit to function without kinect doesnt mean its a secondary accessory.. unless your arrogant enough to think the NSA is watching you play halo, you arent going to leave it unplugged in the box. its a move to kill the remaining conspiracy theories..
I agree with aiBreeze. The best thing Microsoft should of done is showed in many videos how the Kinect can be used in games and see if the majority of people like it or not before deciding what to do. They blindfully chose the Kinect to not be necessary to the console which only means that it's a forced accessory because now it's an option. If Microsoft makes an Xbox One SKU without it, people who bought it with a Kinect would feel ripped off. Now Microsoft has to justify why the people that weren't interested in it payed the extra $100. Will it be interesting to the people that only like playing with a controller? Well, that's up to MS to show at Gamescom. @n4rc The NSA spying on you wasn't a conspiracy theory. Snowden is on CIA's wanted list for having those documents to what Miicrosoft and the NSA are doing. It's just fanboys like you like to call it a conspiracy theory though the fact exists. http://rt.com/usa/microsoft...
@ n4rc "Every single product out there can be said to have features you don't want/need yet are "forced" to pay for" I can't think of any product I own that has a feature I didn't want/ don't use that would have added 25% to that products retail cost.
As much as I don't really understand why you're getting the XBone over the PS4, I have to agree with you. Kinect isn't being forced on anyone. It is part of a system that is being sold. It was being forced on people at one point, but Microsoft changed that, now it's just a feature of the console that you can choose to use or not. If you really don't want to spend 100 bucks (or 80 quid where I'm from) extra, then - you know - there is another option out there. It's your choice.
i want an xbox but im not going to use kinect...whats that? i HAVE TO buy it anyway? THAT IS FORCE! if your sold something that you wont use.
@maximus1985 No, if you're sold something that you won't use then you are an idiot for buying it. Do you know why? Because you bought it - yes YOU. No one forced you to hand over the cash did they? If you buy something that includes a feature that you won't use, then you still get to enjoy the rest of it. But guess what? That feature is part of the system. You are still not being forced to pay for it, because you didn't have to pay for any of it. If you are unwilling to pay $5oo for the system of your choice then get an alternative - or nothing at all.
"It's only forced on you only if you buy it." Please stop with this nonsensical logic. If you want to play Halo and Forza, but don't want Kinect, you are forced to buy it anyway. Less than 1/3 of 360 users bought Kinect... unless you want to admit that 360 sales numbers were significantly inflated by RRoD... but now all will be forced to buy it if they want to keep playing those MS exclusives. Paying $100 more for cheaper tech to get the better camera, which most people don't want anyway...? It's no mystery why at least some MS fans are jumping ship, and MS will lose NA next generation because of it, unless they make a Kinect-less One within a year or two.
@golding89 So don't buy an Xbox One.
Exactly right. Kinect isn't being forced on anyone if you don't want it just buy a PS4 or a Wii U and if you want an Xbox One you will just have to DEAL WITH IT. Motorola RAZR i
Nobody's forcing me to buy anything. I'm deciding to buy an Xbox One on day one.
Microsoft wants to get it in everyone's home and on computers even. But no thanks. I don't have room for that kind of gaming anyway and I don't need a camera to control things. I guess it would be okay for people who are lazy.
Has not got the room^^ shame your missing out
On facial recognition and voice commands? I'm gladly missing out on that stuff honestly.
Hmmm...I find it much lazier to just use a standard controller to do anything that Kinect can do.:) Controller is so easy and natural. Same as a TV remote. They've served people well for the past 20 years or so.
I wonder how long Mr. Pachter was working on his rhyming intro. lol!
and thats where the problems start.... how many consoles do we have to choose from? when it comes to gamers we have xbox one an ps4 (and maybe wiiu not for me as a gamer) but the xbox one is not the gamers choice and no matter how much money MS throw at third party devs its not going anywhere... infact quote me on this 3 years from now.
So Microsoft can collect data to unsuspecting gamers. Data informations + Third Party company = profit
If people decide to disagree and pretend that we're talking wearing tinfoil hats: Then why did Microsoft at one point ensure that the camera had to be connected at all times and was always-listening for you to even use your system? Why could you block the lens, disable settings, but not turn off the microphone? Read this article. It explains how Microsoft have confirmed they designed the Xbox One dashboard with advertisements in mind, so they could personalise your experience and sell you ads on your dashboard that relate to you. http://www.sticktwiddlers.c... How else would they know about your preferences outside of gaming, in you living room, without something to gather that data (and I'm not just talking about IE). That's what that forced always-listening microphone was for. Not anymore, if you want to unplug your camera and use your console without it. But that sh*t is still there if you do use it. Data mining and Xbox/MS go hand-in-hand. Enjoy.
Sigh... You ppl just don't give up! Did you throw away your data mining cell phone? Bunch of cry babies...
The same tards complianing over and over go to the ps4 section if you want a ps4
you should thank us, without us the xbox 180 wouldnt have changed one thing and youd be loyal anyway
Cause ms wants to fully support it and want to give it a real shot... Or it will end up like Sony add ons that turn into a " well Sony did that on the ps2" but amounts to nothing cause it never gets full support.
Its like OBAMACARE.....they know what's best for us!
the kinect is giving us all healthcare coverage?
Q: How much money is Valve money from their Summer Sales? A: S£$%loads!!! LMAO, funniest reply ever :D
People have a clear-cut choice. I'm not buying XB1, because of the included Kinect and won't pay for an included peripheral that's useless to me. If, down the line, MS decides to release a SKU that doesn't include Kinect, I may well purchase XB1 depending on its games library at that time. It sucks if you're an XBox gamer and don't want to pay for the included Kinect, but you really only have 3 options: - suck it up and buy XB1 anyway, buy a PS4 and wait for Kinect-less XB1 SKU, or don't buy a PS4 and wait for a Kinect-less XB1 SKU. If XB1 doesn't sell well after the 'honeymoon period' of launch, I have a feeling MS will find a way to sell a Kinect-less SKU, especially since the camera is no longer mandatory.
I totally agree with you bro..its what I've been saying for a long long time. Ms is not forcing anyone to buy an xbox one. Its a matter of choice. If you can't stand it then get something else..
I'm getting the one and I think I will enjoy the Kinect, plain and simple for me.