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Pach-Attack- Why is Kinect Forced upon Us?

GT:Michael Pachter evaluates the Xbox One’s mandatory pack-in.

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Wh15ky1525d ago

Cause it's the only way folks will buy it! ;)

NewMonday1525d ago

good answers this time from Patcher.

xHeavYx1525d ago

The original Kinect sold a lot,MS wants the money from casual games. The reason why most people are upset with it is because MS completely forgot about the hardcore gamers for the past 4 years, instead they launched all these Kinect based games that were horrible ( Steel Battalion, anyone?)

pompombrum1525d ago

Steel Battalion.. sob sob, I remember always wanting to own the original version of that with that huge accessory that you needed to play it.. looked so awesome.

BitbyDeath1525d ago

@xHeavYx, Kinect is bundled with every 360 here in Oz, if it was to sell on it's own then the numbers would likely be less than Move.

thechosenone1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

MS recovered a week after E3? lol Keep dreaming Pachter.

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Benchm4rk1524d ago

@BitbyDeath

Kinect is 100% optional here in Australia. There are bundles with Kinect and a few Kinect games. There are bundles without Kinect that have a few Non Kinect games with it. You can buy a 4gb or 250gb Console on its own without games or Kinect. So no the Kinect is not bundled with EVERY Xbox 360.

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Rhaigun1525d ago

I'll tell you why. Because MS spent too much money on the tech not to include it. If they didn't include it, they'd have a hard time recouping that loss.

nypifisel1524d ago

Perhaps they never should have spent money on it to begin with then.

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user74029311525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

kinect being bundled is unnecessary and will throw off a huge amount of potential customers. microsoft will bleed money because of this imo.

thrust1525d ago

Nope! Kinect is very popular for kids and family's it is great fun for all.

While some will get put off with the price another person will just fill that gap

PSVita1525d ago

Everyone that I know with kinect (Wii/move) never uses it anymore.

pompombrum1525d ago

The problem is though that there isn't anything at launch for families or kids though. There is very little to justify it's inclusion at launch other than "the future" which seems to be everyone at Microsoft's Xbox division's favourite come back to everything.

DevilishSix1525d ago

popular with kids? My six year old hardly touches hers other than Kinectimals. She played some Kinect adventures a bit. I got her Once Upon a Monster and she won't touch it. She said the kinect is boring, she will be seven next month.

Wh15ky1524d ago

"The problem is though that there isn't anything at launch for families or kids though."

Not much point, MS know the 'casuals' won't shell out £449.99 for a new console so for now their focus is on 'gamers', the early adopters. When the price drops a bit I'm betting we will see them shift their focus from 'gamers' to 'casuals', just like what happened with the 360.

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Bigpappy1525d ago

Why are PS fanboys always the Kinect experts.

user74029311525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

the same reason x fans are move experts

@wraith, like john carmack who praised move ?

WrAiTh Sp3cTr31525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

Barely anyone mentions Move, not even sony fans, lol.

Edit: No, it's because it's borderline useless. Have a nice day.

The person above mentioned move(off topic) while lying through their teeth.

maximus19851525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

@ WeAiTh Sp3cTr3 --maybe move isnt mentioned because its not FORCED on us

DigitalRaptor1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

"Barely anyone mentions Move, not even sony fans, lol."

Because it's not for everyone, and its creators know this.

nypifisel1524d ago (Edited 1524d ago )

Sony fans aren't as deluded as the MS specimens, Sony fans know the Move is very niche and only good for some things and that's not hardcore gaming. MS specimens need constantly to justify the Kinect to themselves hence they defend it and call it the most brilliant device to be conceived upon this earth even though a monkey knows a motion controller without tactile feedback is pretty much broken from the start.

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theWB271525d ago

@aiBreeze
"The problem is though that there isn't anything at launch for families or kids though. There is very little to justify it's inclusion at launch other than "the future" which seems to be everyone at Microsoft's Xbox division's favourite come back to everything."

The whole system is built around the camera. It isn't JUST for games. There are games, not family, that are taking advantage of the camera- like Dead Rising 3. Other than the games...the system takes advantage of the camera also.

Bigpappy1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

M$ has not finished revealing games and uses for X1. There are a whole lot of games and features that are yet to be talked about, by both M$ and Sony. To say that they will be no family games at launch is unsubstantiated.

We do have Gamescom coming in a few day, No?

theWB271525d ago

We do..but the first part of my comment is what aiBreeze wrote...my opinion on the matter is the second paragraph.

We do have gamescon...but I'm just as excited for the system features as the game features.

Bigpappy1524d ago

Sorry about that theWB27. I was just adding to your comment. I was aware that you were quoting aiBreeze in the 1st paragraph and was also commenting mostly on his first line.

Spoons1525d ago

Doubt it, the average consumer will probably think it's pretty cool. Hardcore gamers might not. Like here on n4g, a community where most of us are hardcore gamers.

rainslacker1524d ago

The average user will use it for a while, then relegate it to the back of the closet. That's what happens with novelty products. See Wii for reference.

vlonjati77vlonjati1525d ago

Damn you Dirty Pimp-Its about time I buy T2 on bluray since the dvd version I have its all scratchy from so many times Ihave watched it(thanks to you commenting and cannot help it but go and watch it) :)

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golding891525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

It's only forced on you only if you buy it.

Just don't buy it then it won't be forced on you.

I never had a problem with kinect. Xbox one day one for me. Pre-ordered mine since day one.

All this kinect force upon us stuff is just to get a rise out of people. no one is forcing you to buy an xbox one. why complaint?

My logic is not bunked at all. Millions of people will get xbox one. This is not a monopoly. get another console if you the like the one. hint [ps4]

NegativeCreep4271525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

Your logic is totally bunked.

"It's only forced on you only if you buy it"

What about the people that DO want to buy Xbox One, but don't want or are not interested in Kinect? They are then being forced to buy into an accessory that they don't like and most likely will have little interested in using. They are being forced into it because they have no alternative if they are only interested in the Xbox One.

By your logic, I should open a restaurant and serve all my entrees with a side of goat turd. If my customers tell me they want my entrees, but don't want a fresh and stinky side of goat turd to accompany them, I should just tell my customers "Well nobody is forcing you to come and eat in my restaurant. I'm not forcing you to come in and buy my food. That's the way it is. Deal with it".

No_Limit1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

Kinect is part of the system just like how the Wii U tablet controller is to that system. If you people don't want it, buy a PS4.

If gamers want a next gen system that is not just a supped-up X360 with prettier graphics, and see the benefit of Kinect of bringing in new and exciting gameplay element, and think the $500 is justify, then that is their choice. Without a Kinect guaranteed in every Sku, developers just wouldn't use it to its full potential and will be left 4 dead just like every accessories that came before it.

If gamers just want a supped-up PS3/X360 and don't think a system with a camera justify an extra $100, PS4 is or them, it is their choice and so be it.

We are really beating a DEAD HORSE here.

theWB271525d ago

The Xbox One comes with a camera. That's the product Microsoft is offering. They have reversed everything concerning the system all the way down to you being able to disconnect the device.

But they have said the camera will still be there. I hope they stick to their guns on this. Devs will only take advantage if they know the camera is being supported. If it's not bundled, it's a wasted accessory...period.

It really is that simple. The One, for now, comes with a camera. If you don't want the camera, get a PS4 or WiiU.

Master-H1525d ago

I hope they make an Xbone bundle with a side of goat-turd. i might buy it then to play Ryse and insomniac's game, it'd still be better than kinect lol

VforVideogames1525d ago

Ms Negativecreepp427, Its very simple: the people that don't want to be "forced" to buy a KINECT are the ones that getting a PS4 and the ONEs that like the idea of KINECT and the real next-gen experience like my self are getting the XB-1 , jump in and join the darkside.

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matrixman921525d ago

maybe people want an xbox one, but dont want to use a kinect? Why should someone be forced to pay more for something they want when they wont use a hundred dollars worth of stuff that comes with it. It would be like someone buying a computer that is with a game controller. Not everybody that buys a computer wants a controller, but people would be forced to pay more for it anyway. Its just an idiotic concept that MS has brought on. The only way I would ever continue on from 360 to xbox one is if they made a kinectless SKU

n4rc1525d ago

Because thats life?

Every single product out there can be said to have features you don't want/need yet are "forced" to pay for.

Thats why we have competition.

pompombrum1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

"Because thats life?"

That has to be the worst justification for kinect's mandatory inclusion I've read so far.

Also, features of a product and a separate external accessory are completely different things. Say what you want but the 180 Microsoft done by allowing people to use Xbox One without kinect (good move imho) means kinect is no longer a feature of the system but a mandatory accessory forced upon people.

n4rc1525d ago

its still mandatory if you want the full experience of the xbox one..

all they have allowed you to do is cripple your console to satisfy peoples paranoia.. without destroying the 100% adoption rate promised to developers and customers.

allowing the unit to function without kinect doesnt mean its a secondary accessory.. unless your arrogant enough to think the NSA is watching you play halo, you arent going to leave it unplugged in the box.

its a move to kill the remaining conspiracy theories..

Kryptix1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

I agree with aiBreeze. The best thing Microsoft should of done is showed in many videos how the Kinect can be used in games and see if the majority of people like it or not before deciding what to do. They blindfully chose the Kinect to not be necessary to the console which only means that it's a forced accessory because now it's an option. If Microsoft makes an Xbox One SKU without it, people who bought it with a Kinect would feel ripped off. Now Microsoft has to justify why the people that weren't interested in it payed the extra $100. Will it be interesting to the people that only like playing with a controller? Well, that's up to MS to show at Gamescom.

@n4rc
The NSA spying on you wasn't a conspiracy theory. Snowden is on CIA's wanted list for having those documents to what Miicrosoft and the NSA are doing. It's just fanboys like you like to call it a conspiracy theory though the fact exists.

http://rt.com/usa/microsoft...

Wh15ky1524d ago (Edited 1524d ago )

@ n4rc

"Every single product out there can be said to have features you don't want/need yet are "forced" to pay for"

I can't think of any product I own that has a feature I didn't want/ don't use that would have added 25% to that products retail cost.

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BlueBlood171525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

As much as I don't really understand why you're getting the XBone over the PS4, I have to agree with you.

Kinect isn't being forced on anyone. It is part of a system that is being sold. It was being forced on people at one point, but Microsoft changed that, now it's just a feature of the console that you can choose to use or not.

If you really don't want to spend 100 bucks (or 80 quid where I'm from) extra, then - you know - there is another option out there. It's your choice.

maximus19851525d ago

i want an xbox but im not going to use kinect...whats that? i HAVE TO buy it anyway? THAT IS FORCE! if your sold something that you wont use.

BlueBlood171524d ago

@maximus1985

No, if you're sold something that you won't use then you are an idiot for buying it. Do you know why? Because you bought it - yes YOU. No one forced you to hand over the cash did they?

If you buy something that includes a feature that you won't use, then you still get to enjoy the rest of it. But guess what? That feature is part of the system. You are still not being forced to pay for it, because you didn't have to pay for any of it.

If you are unwilling to pay $5oo for the system of your choice then get an alternative - or nothing at all.

MysticStrummer1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

"It's only forced on you only if you buy it."

Please stop with this nonsensical logic. If you want to play Halo and Forza, but don't want Kinect, you are forced to buy it anyway.

Less than 1/3 of 360 users bought Kinect... unless you want to admit that 360 sales numbers were significantly inflated by RRoD... but now all will be forced to buy it if they want to keep playing those MS exclusives.

Paying $100 more for cheaper tech to get the better camera, which most people don't want anyway...? It's no mystery why at least some MS fans are jumping ship, and MS will lose NA next generation because of it, unless they make a Kinect-less One within a year or two.

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Smoovekid1525d ago (Edited 1525d ago )

@golding89 So don't buy an Xbox One.

MasterCornholio1525d ago

Exactly right. Kinect isn't being forced on anyone if you don't want it just buy a PS4 or a Wii U and if you want an Xbox One you will just have to DEAL WITH IT.

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denawayne1525d ago

Nobody's forcing me to buy anything. I'm deciding to buy an Xbox One on day one.