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Submitted by facelike 329d ago | opinion piece

Why Microsoft And The Xbox One Deserves Its Flak From Gamers

Recently, former Microsoft Exec and indie-dev Peter Molyneux stated that the backlash Microsoft got is unfair despite reversing policies for the Xbox One. While Molyneux continues on further to defend Microsoft’s vision of the future, my reason behind why the corporate giant deserves the flak that it is receiving because that Microsoft failed to focus on the core gamer audience that brought them up to where they are as well as the kind of message they sent out about the Xbox One and its gamer base. - Lazy Tech Guys (Microsoft, Xbox One)

Lukas_Japonicus  +   329d ago
"Microsoft failed to focus on the core gamer audience that brought them up to where they are"

Pretty much what i think too. Too much focus on non gaming related content, and the gaming related content is alot of the time kinect focused, so we feel left out sometimes.
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LOGICWINS  +   329d ago
"Too much focus on non gaming related content"

Did your electricity go out during the Microsoft conference? The only thing I saw from them was game-related content. But I suppose some people will only see what they want to see.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   329d ago
Did you not see the February conference? It was 10 percent games and 90 percent everything else.

Either way, the fact they opened a conference with tv tells you alot about a company that used to be so dedicated to the core gamer. Right out of the gate they should have showed a game, not tv.

I'll get an Xbox One, for one thing only...gaming.
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dboyc310  +   329d ago
They finally show a lot of games in one conference and all of a sudden they change. Let's remember how dry they were when it came to games the past few years. Let's see if they blew out all their load at e3 or saved some for Gamescon too.
HappyTrigger  +   329d ago
Slick ninja editing Lukas. lol

But yes, their February conference was pretty awful.
DiRtY  +   329d ago
I won't get tired of repeating this:

Exclusive games MS announced at E3 (games we have not heard of before):

- Halo 5
- Sunset Overdrive
- Kinect Sports Rivals
- Dead Rising 3
- Project Spark
- Killer Instinct
- D4
- Below

Exclusive games Sony announced at E3 (games we have not heard of before):

- The Order 1886
HammadTheBeast  +   329d ago
Exclusive games MS announced at their reveal that we've not heard of:

Forza 5(?)

Exclusive games Sony announced at their reveal that we've not heard of:

The Witness
Killzone Shadowfall
Knack
Infamous Second Son
Octodad
Mercenary Kings
Deep Down

In MS' case, you guys are impressed because your expectations were so low. With Sony, keep your standards high.
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corvusmd  +   329d ago
There really isn't any reason to be mad at MS...these kids just have a HUGE false sense of entitlement and feel that MS should grovel at their feet and beg them to be customers...ironic cause Sony as a company has shown to be much more arrogant over the years...which is why they still charge 30% more for Tvs that aren't as good. Companies need to make money to stay in business, FACT...so if MS adjusts so they can do that...that's called a smart business decision. The TRUTH here is that articles like this keep popping up because PS Fanboys picked sides really really early on without getting all the facts, and now don't want to backpedal (or do a 180 as it were....side note, you can see what really bothers them, by the insults they throw out). It's all about saving their own "face" now, plain and simple...so the Anti-MS propaganda campaign is out in full force...but if you look at facts and details, and the business path that BOTH companies have taken..there really is NO reason for this EXCESSIVE anger towards MS. Just look at how "mad" they get at MS, it's obvious that there is something going on other than being mad at a system... how often do you not want to buy a product, then go out of your way to slam it all the time. How ridiculous would it look to say "damn you coke with your red can and stupid stripe, you're too sweet....Pepsi for the win, they have better ingredients and promotions"
corvusmd  +   329d ago
Hammad. Witness is not a PS4 exclusive, and all hints point at Deep Down not being exclusive either
n4rc  +   329d ago
Why wouldn't they start with the new stuff?

Its a fkn Xbox.. Think we all knew it would be based around gaming.. No need to state the obvious..

And as said.. If you want to talk games, Microsoft is leading the pack right now
DiRtY  +   329d ago
@Hammad

please don't make things up, it makes you look bad.

"Exclusive games MS announced at their reveal that we've not heard of:

Forza 5(?)"

No,

Forza 5
Quantum Break
Titanfall
Ryse

And the Witness is already confirmed to be on Xbox One as well. Sony just paid for timed exclusivity. Yeah, they do this, too!

Octodad is an indi game, that was released on PC 3 years ago.

Mercenary Kings is another PC indie game and an early version is up on steam if you want to play it today.

Deep Down might or might not be an exclusive.

Why don't you just accept the fact, that MS has more exclusive games coming up? is it so hard to accept?
Skips  +   329d ago
LMFAO!!!! @ Dirty! XD

Sony got so much flak for showing a crap ton of indie/PSN games... lol And yet MS does the same thing. XD

Crimson Dragon = Indie/XBLA
Below = Timed exclusive/XBLA
D4 = Indie/XBLA
Lococycle = Indie/XBLA
Killer Instinct = F2P/XBLA
Project Spark = Indie/XBLA

So all that really leaves is Halo, DR3, Forza 5, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, and Titanfall (Also on PC and most likely timed)...

But don't forget, a few of those exclusives were scrapped 360 games meant to fluff up their next gen launch lineup because they probably didn't have much else. Pretty much explains why it's been a barren wasteland on the 360 for the past few years. lol

Retail PS3 exclusives for 2013:
- Sly 4
- GOW Ascension
- The Last Of Us (GOTY Condender)
- Beyond Two Souls
- Puppeteer
- Gran Turismo 6
- Until Dawn

Retail PS4 exclusives for 2013:
- Killzone SF
- Knack
- DriveClub

vs...

Retail Xbox 360 exclusives for 2013:
- GOW Judgement

Retail Xbox One exclusives for 2013:
- Ryse (Former Kinect 360 game)
- Dead Rising 3 (Former 360 game)
- Forza 5

Doesn't look so one sided when you look at how much support MS had to drop for the 360 now does it??? lol

http://www.gamepur.com/news...

^^^ But look here!!!

If all MS is gonna do at Gamescom is a short presentation and the rest of the time, hands on with what they already showed. That pretty much goes to show they blew almost their entire load at E3. lol
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The_Con-Sept  +   329d ago
The only games that interest me out of every conference and outlet has been on PlayStation.

But when I first saw the Xbox one.... All I got from it is TV TV TV TV and football.

Then E3 comes around and it was shooter shooter shooter fighter shooter.

I'm in to shooters, but not that much. I wanted to see a game that didn't involve racing cars or shooting guns. Killer instinct isn't enough.
DiRtY  +   329d ago
@Skips,

I never mentioned some of the games you brought up. And you are still wrong:

- Killer Instinct is not free to play. There is one character you can play with for free. This is nothing more than a demo. It is not a typical XBLA game either.

- Project Spark is not indie. It is made by a MS first party studio. It is not a XBLA game either.

- LocoCycle is not indie. It is made by a MS first party studio.

Every game will be available for download day and date with the retail version... are those all XBLA games then?

Even if you exclude Killer Instinct and Project Spark for the bigger budget games and only care about those type of games, they still outnumber the PS4 exclusives.

- Ryse
- Forza
- Dead Rising 3
- Halo
- Sunset Overdrive
- Titanfall
- Quantum Break

vs

- Knack
- The Order
- Killzone
- Infamous
- MAYBE (and that is a big one) Deepdown
- (MAYBE Driveclub, but if you exclude Killer Instinct you have to exclude this one for the very same reasons)

So the Xbox One wins when it comes to blockbuster games. Period.

Nice try though.
HammadTheBeast  +   329d ago
Titanfall on PC, remove that, and Halo we have seen quite literally NOTHING of.

The trailer bit they showed had nothing to do with Halo 5 as confirmed by 343 themselves.

Or leave Titanfall and include Planet side, DCUO, blacklgh
ginsunuva  +   329d ago
They'll pretend like they care about core gamers for the first year then go back to casuals and kinect.
darthv72  +   329d ago
I do agree that MS are to blame for their own flip flopping and deserve the criticism they are getting.

But, there is a point to where criticism takes a back seat and we are left with straight up mob mentality of people jumping on board for the ride not so much the cause.
Skips  +   328d ago
-Dirty

Like I said, only because MS practically ABANDONED support for the 360 in favor of fluffing up their launch lineup...

*Cough Cough...

"But don't forget, a few of those exclusives were scrapped 360 games meant to fluff up their next gen launch lineup because they probably didn't have much else. Pretty much explains why it's been a barren wasteland on the 360 for the past few years. lol

Retail PS3 exclusives for 2013:
- Sly 4
- GOW Ascension
- The Last Of Us (GOTY Condender)
- Beyond Two Souls
- Puppeteer
- Gran Turismo 6
- Until Dawn

Retail PS4 exclusives for 2013:
- Killzone SF
- Knack
- DriveClub

vs...

Retail Xbox 360 exclusives for 2013:
- GOW Judgement

Retail Xbox One exclusives for 2013:
- Ryse (Former Kinect 360 game)
- Dead Rising 3 (Former 360 game)
- Forza 5

Doesn't look so one sided when you look at how much support MS had to drop for the 360 now does it??? lol"

^^^
Nice try a trying to keep that little tidbit out though... XD

And are you serious??? If Deep Down is a huge "MAYBE" then so it Titanfall. LMFAO!!!! And are you seriously comparing Driveclub to Killer Instinct??? That's just pathetic dude. Killer Instinct is a low budgeted small XBLA game through and through while Drivelub is an actual AAA Title being made available for PS+ because that's what Sony does for PS+. -___-

If Killzone SF was the game Sony chose for PS+, are you seriously saying that shouldn't be counted as AAA??? Talk about reaching.... lol!

Anyways, considering MS isn't even having a full conference! But a small "presentation" and the rest of the time devoted for hands on with what they've already shown. It's a no brainer they practically blew almost their entire load at E3...

Sony on the other hand... XD
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WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   328d ago
That conference in Feb was 35 minutes long lol. Try again.
Wikkid666  +   329d ago | Intelligent
Sorry to hear that you missed E3... they showed a lot of games.

Do car companies tell you that you can drive a car from point A to B? Of course not, it's a car. They focus on all the bell and whistles... because that's what makes it different from all the other cars.
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LOGICWINS  +   329d ago
I bubbled you up for intelligent.
XboxFun  +   329d ago
I bubbled you too Wiikid.

A lot of folks pretend just because MS showed the features of the Xbox One that somehow some way it meant that it would never play games.

I know deep down they know this is false and just use it as some sort of ammo for their own agenda.

But don't be surprised if I take your quote and apply it elsewhere.
Hicken  +   329d ago
Your standard car company would be more like PC: it can race(game), but it's really about the overall versatility.

Consoles are more like the luxury brands. They try to one-up each other on the things luxury car owners(gamers) want most: namely performance and build quality. BMW and Mercedes(Sony and Nintendo) reference their long histories of providing quality, while Lexus and Infinity(Microsoft) tries to appeal more to younger, newer audiences.

What MS is doing is trying to convince performance car enthusiasts that, after a few years of trying to cater to those who'd buy minivans, they're once again dedication to high-quality luxury driving machines.
XboxFun  +   329d ago
LOL@ Hicken, always making little to no sense.

Please elaborate on this fantastic world you live in filled cotton candy lakes and spongy chocolate fields.
Cmk0121  +   329d ago
I mean but folks are cheering and applauding sony's new MS announcement of the pay tv deal with viacomm. So while im not saying some of it wasnt warranted because it was, its turned into an outright withchunt and EVIL EVIL MS schpeel that frankly is pathetic. People are living in some alternate reality where they think sony is this great company out to please all consumers and not make money. For example the headset thing, people reamed MS for not including a headset in the box originally and they did so citing its the more expensive system. How short are our memories because last gen sony did the exact same thing, the more expensive console and didnt include a headset. There a difference between giving flak and being a fanboy and most of the noise is from fanboys. im getting both so have no dog in the race but seeing folks so naive to reality has me shaking my head
dboyc310  +   329d ago
Sony was the under dog which everyone loves. They'll be back to the ps1,ps2 domination.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   329d ago
Bringing out boat loads of quality exclusives year after year makes you an underdog? Lol,ok.
Hercules189  +   329d ago
Did I see a different E3 than everyone else. Microsoft not only has sequels coming on launch but also has a bunch of new ips too, which are actually coming shortly after launch, unlike alot of games that might not come until 2015.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   329d ago
@Dirty

Its all good listing those games, but lets take this gen as an example, Sony hands down made the best exclusives, the fact that are still pumping exclusives out at the end of a generation (The Last Of Us and Beyond Two Souls) shows how gamer focused they are.

Lets face it, alot of those games you mentioned are garbage, you just listed those games to fill the list. Come this time at the end of next gen and i guarantee PS4 will have the better exclusives overall.
3-4-5  +   329d ago
* Microsoft wouldn't have $500 million to invest in the XB1, if it wasn't for Xbox Original & Xbox 360 sales.

* Since 2007, they've gone away from core gaming and into casual and we the gamers have noticed this.

* Original Xbox had a ton of good games that you couldn't play anywhere else and had unique cool multiplayer styles:

* Blood Wake

* Deathrow

* Fusion Frenzy 1

* Crimson Skies

Some of the most fun I've ever had playing multiplayer games was playing those I just listed.

Nothing has come even close to these games in terms of creativeness and pure fun.

They've gone away from these unique type of games and gone more towards the casual games that people will play a lot for a month and drop.
GT67  +   329d ago
@ LUKAS
how did you get 10 disagrees is beyond me.

MS did fail to focus on gamers who put them where they are now "fact".
hell im not a xbox fanboy i know thats a fact.
SONY would not be where they are if not for hardcore games. FACT!!!!!
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cl1983  +   329d ago
Yes microsoft should of modified their check in so it didn't occur everyday, however microsoft should of stayed with the rest of their decisions. It would of left season passes and resale to game publishers, it wouldn't of stopped used game sale, but it would stop dev's and publishers claiming they were being robbed or short changed. This would then still allow the sharing of a digital library in a house hold instead of requiring people to carry games where ever they go.
IcicleTrepan  +   329d ago
the author deserves flak for writing incendiary crappy articles that are unnecessary.
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thrust  +   329d ago
It's like the in thing to do now, bash the xbox
theWB27  +   329d ago
While I applaud the article for not going all out mental on the X1...I still find it funny how shortsighted the gaming community is. Why, in 2013 when most devices are more than their main target, do gamers expect consoles to do nothing but game. Why don't they look at this on the business side of things.

There is no way to make a gaming only console, and only appeal to gamers and expect to be successful. More time was spent watching movies on the PS3 than actually gaming. 46%(games)54%(movies) I wish we knew how many of those(54%) people only bought the console mainly for media and only played a few titles here and there.

Then people keep talking about the reveal. Did the internet only work for a select amount of people? They explicitly stated, before the May reveal, that they would have two events. The first was to introduce the CONSOLE and what it does. Then E3 show nothing but games. They did exactly that and people complained.

Exclusives. I maintain quality over quantity. Sony can release triple the exclusives as Microsoft...but if they aren't all up to snuff then what's the point? It's funny the Sony camp brags about the amount of exclusives, yet the Microsoft camp supports their few more. How is it that Xbox exclusives outsold Sony's this whole gen??

Anyway...I was supporting Xbox from day one. The system is only getting better...can't wait.
iamnsuperman  +   329d ago
"do gamers expect consoles to do nothing but game"

It isn't about that though. Both these companies are catering to us at launch. We are the ones who will go out and buy it at launch. So everything should be focused on gaming. That doesn't mean don't have said features but don't make it the first thing you unveil. Rookie error. It sets a precedents to what a company feels is the most important thing.

"Exclusives. I maintain quality over quantity. Sony can release triple the exclusives as Microsoft...but if they aren't all up to snuff then what's the point? It's funny the Sony camp brags about the amount of exclusives, yet the Microsoft camp supports their few more. How is it that Xbox exclusives outsold Sony's this whole gen??"

I feel this doesn't need an answer. Just think about for more than two seconds.The answer will come to you
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theWB27  +   329d ago
The answer hasn't come to me. More consoles sold worldwide, more exclusives...less sales. What am I missing?

"It isn't about that though. Both these companies are catering to us at launch. We are the ones who will go out and buy it at launch. So everything should be focused on gaming. That doesn't mean don't have said features but don't make it the first thing you unveil. Rookie error. It sets a precedents to what a company feels is the most important thing."

This isn't a sprint. It's a marathon. I thought we learned that from this past gen. When you advertise a product...say what it does. They focused an entire E3 on nothing but games...how is that not a focus? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend when you reveal a product, you reveal what it does. They revealed the X1, and showed us what the entirety of it does and still got to see games games games.
LordNikon  +   329d ago
"The answer hasn't come to me. More consoles sold worldwide,
more exclusives...less sales. What am I missing?"

Sales doesn't tell you everything about a products quality. You can't seriously be this ignorant...

Also, quantity doesn't automatically mean that there's a loss in quality. And just because MS had less exclusives this gen, doesn't AUTOMATICALLY (again) mean that its a product of a quality. Whatever, this is all subjective anyway.

"This isn't a sprint. It's a marathon. I thought we learned that from
this past gen. When you advertise a product...say what it does.
They focused an entire E3 on nothing but games...how is that not
a focus? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend when you
reveal a product, you reveal what it does. They revealed the X1,
and showed us what the entirety of it does and still got to see
games games games."

And MS's opening into this marathon was a complete disastor. It hurt the Xbox one. That is the reality... no matter how you try to spin it.
iceman06  +   328d ago
@theWB27...here let me help you. If there are not many games to buy, then generally you buy what is available. Hence, the games that are available sell better. Contrast this with availability of several games which leads to choices and sales being spread out amongst what is available.
PhinneousD  +   329d ago
Ha. What a shitty article.
Williamson  +   329d ago
The whole no used game/ drm stance is what pissed gamers off. Even though they changed the policy, the thing is it never should of existed in the first place.
DirtyPimp  +   329d ago
great article
No_Limit  +   329d ago
"Microsoft failed to focus on the core gamer audience that brought them up to where they are as well as the kind of message they sent out about the Xbox One and its gamer base"

Did this guy watched E3 or pretend it never happened? After E3 and beyond, it is all gaming news and nothing about TVs. Releasing the best rated racing game, bringing back Killer Instinct, working with 3rd party studios to secured new core IP exclusives like Ryse, Quantum Break, and Titanfall and bring back a cult favorite like the Dead Rising series. Not just that, have an original internal studio solely dedicated to bring out a unique and potentially revolutionary creative game in Project Spark and upgraded their Live servers to 300,000 and all online games on dedicated servers. Finally, making changes for the best due to complaints from gamers is a great sign no matter how people trying to spin it.

IMO, that is gaming support.
iceman06  +   328d ago
I would agree with you if all of this had not come off of the heals of a disaster. You can't leave a car wreck sitting in the middle of the highway. You HAVE to clean it up. MS have done a good job of cleaning up their disaster thus far. It's not what should be expected, it's what should be required.

I'm with you on the idea that MS are not in ruins. They will be fine and so will the Xbox One. BUT, should this have even happened? Could MS have predicted this would have happened? It's about instilling confidence in the consumers after a perceived blunder. We will soon see if MS has indeed done that.
coopman300  +   329d ago
The games are gonna be awesome regardless so why not add in stuff to appeal to a wider audience. Sure their original policies were unpopular but that doesnt mean they deserve to get trashed for what they thought was a good direction to go in. Especially when they listened to public opinion and changed course. The new xbox lead is obviously more in tune with the public.
Funantic1  +   329d ago
People will forgive Microsoft for their initial ideas and policies. They forgave Sony for the 77 million PSN hacks and also bricking updates of PS3s which were way worse. I still planning on getting both consoles because I realize that both companies made mistakes and will probably make some more. And the X1 policy changes all happened before launch so I can't really hold that against them when they're still in their planning stages. As long as they bring great gaming when I first receive my console I'll be happy. It's hard pleasing everyone so they have to make compromises that will benefit consumers and themselves financially. Both are great companies like Coke vs Pepsi or iPhone vs Android. You can't really go wrong with either. Getting just one will leave me missing out on great exclusives. My living room will look much cooler having both consoles rather than having just one.
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Saddam_hussein  +   329d ago
Me too dude. Cnt wait.
Saddam_hussein  +   329d ago
Is anyone else tired of these stupid articles? I meanif gamers forgave Sony for the hacking and bricked consoles, this should be. Cake walk..

Also, what's up with saying ms has noncore games???
That's nuts. I don't understand how people keep saykng ps had a better e3
urwifeminder  +   329d ago
No flak from me just enthusiasm to try it.
nooneknows  +   329d ago
Honestly, I think that they have to prove that they've learned their lesson. We NEED competition.

The problem is that they tried to do something UNFORGIVABLE, taking away what is our's. Its almost like we didn't even own what we spent $500 on.

They were confident with DRM, but when Sony doesn't support it and the pre-order numbers were bad compared to the PS4, they change their minds. It kinda sounds like they haven't learned anything.

Then they make Smart comments and talk bad to the public.

Most importantly, TRUST. You have to gain trust from consumers, that's very important.

I wish Microsoft much luck but the way things are going right now, I'm not sure if it'll compete with the PS4 if the polls are really true.

Finally, they need to support their console. The 360 had a mediocre 2013 compared to the PS3.

You can't have 360 owners wishing to play The Last Of Us or Beyond Two Souls.

Hopefully they can get it together.
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jmc8888  +   329d ago
With all the idiotic decisions Xbox made regarding the Xbox One that they've now actually done a full 180 on as of a couple of days ago, a simple guess is Microsoft couldn't of done any better given what they wanted to accomplish.

There was no way the spying and the check-ins and everything else could have been communicated better.

Microsoft was most likely caught flat footed. I mean the other runners were 50 yards down the track when Microsoft realize the starting gun had gone off.

The Xbox One reeks of rush job. Perhaps had they done their job and actually done more work then just on the OS and Kinect they would have realized the policies they were enacting were idiotic and fascist. But it's clear when no one knows anything during the reveal, during E3, etc then they basically were just winging this console.

Sure they had done alot of work on certain areas, for a undecided upon next version of Xbox, but they didn't have an actual console in the works until they probably caught wind that Sony was. Then it was...oh shhh....

You simply cannot be that messed up and have the 1st grade level stuff we saw at these events unless you were completely unprepared.

Microsoft thought just because they had a person making bread and another making deserts that they could pump out a quality 11 course meal that night just out of sheer will.

As I read yesterday as someone astutely put it and it will be the case, this Microsoft Xbox One will be a case study in universities. Hopefully they get it right, and not the half truth version many are running with.
hazelamy  +   328d ago
i can't speak for anybody else, but the main concerns i had were their anti consumer policies.
like the drm and the blocking of used games.
they've done a u-turn on most of those policies, so the console is at least an option now.

but being bundled with kinect is still an issue for me.
mostly for price, but i'd be lying if i said an always on, always online camera in my living room wasn't a concern.

i know you can unplug it now, but i'd still rather buy an x1 without it.
mochachino  +   328d ago
Xbox brand has gone to downhill since Kinect was announced.

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