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Indie Developer Jon Olick Backtracks on Incendiary Tweets About Sony’s IP Policies for the PS4

Recently indie developer Jon Olick kicked up a fuse on Twitter about alleged policies Sony had in their contract agreements regarding any independent games the first party company supports, which according to Olick stated that Sony would gain ownership of IPs published on PS4. Today he has updated his Twitter account with a series tweets that rectifies what he had claimed previously.

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XboxFun1051d ago

This is why people in the industry (or in life) need to keep their mouths shut. Tweeting on the spot experiences have gotten so many people in trouble it is not even funny.

iamnsuperman1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

I agree but I see it as natural selection. Weaning out those people. The guy just made a fool out of himself

NewMonday1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

it is very simple, if Indy devs fund it they own it and the platform is available for them to self publish and set the price, date, patch, advertise, Sony only owns it if they fund the game themselves.

so if an Indy dev wants to keep the rights totally he should fund the game independently, like using Kicksatrer, Project Phoenix just recently did this and will be on almost every platform.

the mix up is about the development tools..

"Originally Posted by famousmortimer

Much ado about nothing..Back in the day id used to license their engine for free or very cheap. Their policy was that you could edit it in any way that you want but whatever improvements you came up with id owned and could use on future versions of the engine. This was in place when half life was made..The wording in this sounds similar. What i read is that if you "invent" something in terms of development on a ps4 dev kit that Sony can then incorporate it into their dev kit. I would be shocked if that wasn't true of Microsoft and nintendo also (or the unreal engine for that matter) . I don't believe this has anything to do with controlling IPs. "

and..

"Originally Posted by GoldenHelmet

Seriously?

We're making GAMES for PS4 and not one has a clause about ownership transferring to SCEA OR SCEE.

This is NOT the case, the only thing that IS owned by Sony, which is the same as Microsoft and Nintendo are the SDK' and the hardware, which is why most companies GIVE it away, so developers aren't paying for something they NEVER own."

JC_Denton1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

@newmonday

If only people helped Shadow of the Eternals as much. . . 8 days from ending the Kick Starter and only 34% of the way there.

NewMonday1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

@JC_Denton

Kicksatrer is dependent on reputation, for SotE the devs have a very bad one, I loved Eternal Darkness but don't trust DennisD, I would rather they have a publisher with experience pushing them.

DigitalRaptor1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

@ newmonday

You don't trust the guy to make a great video game, or you don't trust him for his disgusting choices in pornography?

It's a shame so many people's personal feelings about Dyak are getting in the way of a talented and passionate team to make a sequel to a fantastic game that won't see a successor any other way.

I think you're right though, at this stage it would be more favourable for a publisher to snap this up. Looks great.

ohiostatesman1051d ago

Sony reveals to the world who they really are. A snake in disguise. Don't get fooled guys. Sony is the same company that charges 100 dollars for a 32gb memory card.

TheoreticalParticle1050d ago (Edited 1050d ago )

digitalraptor:

"You don't trust the guy to make a great video game, or you don't trust him for his disgusting choices in pornography?"

100% the first part. I don't even know what you're referring to in the 2nd.

But after him yammering on for years about how Too Human was his dream game, it's like, dude... I don't ever need to support anyone who dreams of making games that are THAT awful.

Then, instead of realizing that his vision was poorly executed he starts whining and trying to sue Epic because their engine is too crappy for him to make good games, a problem that manages to stumble nobody else at any level from indie to AAA.

Get lost, Dyack.

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Abriael1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

Or at least get legal advice from decent professionals instead of wannabes.

Edit: lol at the disagree. Someone thinks one should get legal advice from his aunt so that he can properly rage at sony over a misconception.

MWong1051d ago

Agreed seek competent and soundly legal advise. Sucks he had to find out the hard way though.

Abriael1051d ago

@MWong: coukd have been worse. He could have started some legal action on the advice from that dude. He just got shamed on the internets. Burns, but it's no big damage.

HammockGames1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

^ Agreed fellas

This type of scenario strikes me as a form of professional Darwinism.

Attrition of cretinism through social media.

SchwoererBear1050d ago

When you're in trouble you, "Better call Saul". Idk if you watch Breaking Bad but that just came up in my head...

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ZHZ901051d ago

He shouldn't dare write about this on twitter or he's in big trouble.

die_fiend1050d ago

I know...how do people not yet realise that you shouldn't publish things like this on a social network. You can't just slander people and because it's on your Twitter account, expect to be exempt from the law.

For some-one who must be tech-savvy as a game developer, you really need to engage your brain and think 'Should I publicly slate a private contract I have, to the world'. If he even needs a lawyer to indicate that's not a great idea then he deserves to be panned. And is he moaning about a paralegal giving him bad advice? That's almost slander again

majiebeast1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

I think they should have special how not to ruin your carreer on twitter courses for any company employee.

I loved it when other indie devs said he was wrong his reply was, bubububut my Harvard lawyer said.

Abriael1051d ago

Haha i doubt he ruined his career. Mostly his ego

majiebeast1051d ago

Yeah but i mean in general. Also he decided to hand out non existant dirty laundry of a future business partner thats just stupid.

Anon19741051d ago

What's odd to me is how he thought Sony would gain ownership of the IP's in the first place. I've read these contracts. I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe this was the case. In fact, there's a whole section on Acknowledgment of Company’s Ownership Rights that outlines that your company still retains all rights to their products.

So what gave him that idea in the first place, I wonder?

Abriael1051d ago

Even more so, if that was even remotely true how did he not think someone would have raised a storm MUCH before him?

DemiImp1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

There was no Acknowledgement of Company's Ownership Rights section.

The contract said:

"All Next Gen Materials, all inventions and developments that utilize or incorporate Next Gen Materials and any derivatives of Next Gen materials are the sole property of SCEA"

Next Gen Materials means the PS4, any software Sony gives him related to the PS4, and any other info Sony give him related to the PS4.

So, unless he doesn't utilize the PS4, any software related to it, or any info about it when making his game...

Kurylo3d1051d ago

Well the problem is next gen could even specify next gen artwork, next gen game engines.. next gen anything... Its all in the eye of the beholder. i dont think sony was clear enough.

Anon19741051d ago

If you develop something using Sony's SDK, they still retain ownership of what they provided to you. Next Gen materials is materials provided to the company from Sony, not the other way around. This doesn't have anything to do with the ownership of your own IP's.

Ownership Rights is in another agreement which they probably would have signed dealing with ownership of IP's. The company still owns all rights to art, source code, music, etc but excludes intellectual property provided to the company by Sony.

Personally, I think a great way to nullify a Confidentiality and Non-disclosure agreement is to go onto twitter and leak details of an agreement that is meant to be confidential.

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yeahokchief1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

Sooner or later it'll just bite them in the butt. If they are going to have one, it should be managed by a third party.

I don't have time to listen to what they're thinking about anyways. Too... Many... Games...

3-4-51050d ago

Twitter needs an app where it won't actually post what you've typed for 24 hours. That way you get time to delete what you might not want people to read or what you may not even believe yourself anymore once you've calmed down.

I still think Twitter is stupid, but I see it's purpose.

3-4-51050d ago

Moral of the Story:

Think before you talk/type ?

joefrost001050d ago

Didnt sound like he was wrong
Sound more like he didnt know what he was getting into
I can believe that
But anything even implying sony might be a tad bit greedy or unfair is just
Blasphemy on this site

CEOSteveBallmer1048d ago

coming from a pro xbox dude. just saw the comment you made when im reading the other articles and now i saw you again here. heres a quote "Ryse looks better than what the PS4 can offer" a bold statement bro. maybe you didn't look closely at infamous and killzone's environment. and if we are talking about graphics only. The dark sorcerer is the best in visuals. yes its not a game but its running in real time on PS4. and not to mention the order 1888. naughty dog and santa monica haven't even shown what their games are. MS showing "almost" all their big guns already

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fOrlOnhOpe571051d ago

The worlds gone 180 batsh*t crazy !

yewles11051d ago

Well that idiot screwing over Mr. Olick just gave para legals a bad name...

Kenshin_BATT0USAI1051d ago

Because society knows and respects Olick's opinion?

Trust me, this changes nothing for para legals. LOL

JunioRS1011051d ago

Idk what Olick was trying to say, but I seriously doubt Sony just takes ownership of every game on its platform lol

Clearly he misunderstood part of the contract.

DemiImp1051d ago (Edited 1051d ago )

No, that's what the contract said. It's quite clear when you look at it.

"All Next Gen Materials, all inventions and developments that utilize or incorporate Next Gen Materials and any derivatives of Next Gen materials are the sole property of SCEA"

Next Gen Materials means the PS4, any software Sony gives him related to the PS4, and any other info Sony give him related to the PS4.

So, unless he doesn't utilize the PS4, any software related to it, or any info about it when making his game...

porkChop1051d ago

It just has to do with Sony's SDK and development tools. If you update/modify the tools Sony has the right to use those modifications in the future as the tools belong to them. This has nothing to do with games or IP at all. The guy completely misunderstood what it was saying and made an ass out of himself.

corvusmd1051d ago

Uh, so if you don't utilize or incorporate PS materials...how exactly do you get it on the system? Assuming you can publish it without using any PS Material....do you just throw it out there and hope that it works bug free? Sony is anything but indie friendly, but it's amazing how many fanboys are fighting tooth and nail for PS...if this was MS they'd be on the other side just as aggressively....the favoritism is more ridiculous than ever.

Silly gameAr1051d ago

@corvusmd

I really wish people would give that "poor MS gets ripped unfairly on N4G" crap a rest. Some people actually do give them credit when it's due. This is about an indy dev ranting about something he misunderstood on Twitter anyway. This has nothing to do with poor ol' Microsoft.

dennett3161051d ago

@corvusmd, what on Earth are you talking about? Why are you still talking about something you don't understand, and using that inaccuracy as a basis to stir up a console war conversation?
How can you say that Sony are not indie friendly considering their free rental of dev kits to small indie game makers in an effort to help them get projects off the ground? How can you claim they're not indie friendly when they were allowing self publishing on their network at a time when Microsoft were not? And indeed, it still took a fair amount of negative coverage before MS reversed that dumb policy.
How can you say they're not indie friendly when they prominently featured several indie devs (and their games) on stage at E3?

The guy who made these posts was wrong, as were the idiots giving him advice. It's been clearly set out numerous times on various comments here exactly why he now acknowledges he was wrong....and yet you're still trying to argue a nonsensical position? Why?

rainslacker1051d ago

I think you, as well as some others, are looking at materials in too narrow a way. Materials, in reference to Sony's SDK, which this clause is applicable too, could be anything provided by Sony in their dev kit in order for someone to make their game. Typically software API's, source code, general default features, etc.

So, knowing this lets take an example of something that someone could put in there, that would now belong to Sony.

Sony, in it's dev kit has a set of API's that function to display/interface the save game features for a game. If a developer decides they want their own custom save game screen functionality, they go in, using the original save game API's as a basis(would likely have to for system access), and customizes it to make it more efficient, or to perform additional tasks...like say create a special database entry, or upload that save automatically, contact leader boards, or whatever.

Under this clause, that new custom save interface implementation is now the property of Sony since it was built on top of Sony's original API. They have rights to redistribute it on a future release.

This is in no way connected to any additional material used to actually create the save game screen. Any artwork, or possibly UI interface that is completely designed or made to make this screen without using the Sony SDK is still the property of the developer.

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BABY-JEDI1051d ago

It's the curse of the tweet!
Beware you tweeters out there!

T21051d ago

Im not sure whats more sad - that people feel the need to tweet whenever they take a piss or that people actually care and read it

iceman061051d ago

I'm gonna say...umm...YES!

BABY-JEDI1051d ago

Some people REALLY need to let the world know LoL

Abriael1051d ago

You seem to have cared enough to read AND comment :D

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