The story is sad yet familiar: Last month, Jenny Haniver was playing Call of Duty online when another player started saying some nasty things.
Unfortunately, I believe MS is too busy responding to other things atm. Hopefully they'll have time to respond to her concerns in the near term, but I doubt it.
You can't be serious right now, I think MS has better things to do then explain to people that this is the internet... I mean really What exactly should MS do... track down the idiot and what?, prosecute him for being a complete idiot and having very low brain cells... The dude is an idiot, no question, but in-case this is your first time playing on the xboxLive service, that's actually really mild compared to what I hear on there everyday, also there is a little feature called block user... I mean come on' what are we twelve...? Someone says something stupid to you, you report and then you hit block user... then you go on with your day.. how silly are we getting, what's next you just start doing whatever someone tells you to do online- http://bit.ly/19l6U6W .____........___... .____||......||.......|___|| ||.........___||............ ||
People shouldn't have to deal with ignorance, no matter where it is. He's a disrespectful piece of $#!%, and I can guarantee he wouldn't have said it in a public area. M$ needs to get this under control the best they can, XBL is full of sexist, racism, and all things derogatory and they need to crack down, especially if someone is sending you messages and you report it. It shouldn't take weeks. MS and Sony need to make sure reporting this kind of behavior is better handled with the PS4 and XB1.
When everyone accepts something as the norm, it becomes a norm. I don't know where you live, but I've never heard at any point in my life the kind of hate, ignorance, or immature idiocy that I can hear in one hour online, or even just reading on N4G. Probably not even all my life combined could match 1 hour of online. It isn't normal. And it shouldn't be accepted. Sure, we can just ignore it, but shouldn't we actually demand better? Too many people on the internet have no standards for themselves, or for others except when they feel they've personally been wronged...and then they expect everyone to understand their reasons. Hypocrisy at it's finest. One word that gets thrown around here constantly, yet so many people can't see it in themselves because they're willing to accept the status quo. No I believe all these idiots that ruin it for everyone else should be called out and disciplined. Lack of discipline is the reason these things happen, and it's a systemic problem with our society as a whole, because we just accept it as the norm, and are too damn lazy to speak out against it. People, including those that just allow it to happen, need to be held accountable, but very few people want to take responsibility for anything when the spotlight is on them. Ignore it and it'll go away...that's your message in a nutshell. Seems like that hasn't worked since I first got on the internet over 20 years ago...back before there was a world wide web.
Frack that! At the movies you now get kicked out for talking or texts because you're disturbing paying customers. This same rule should apply for XB0x live since it's apparently a payed unique service. I was on live once and overheard a guy picking on another so bad to where we believed he was about to kill himself. MS simply needs to ban IP addresses and start teaching discipline which is apparently whats missing in these homes of menace users.
"People shouldn't have to deal with ignorance" yeah...well welcome to the real world. You are going to have to learn to deal with it or you can just be a victim your whole life. You don't get cancer from being offended. You don't wake up the next day with a broken leg from being offended. Get some thicker skin and learn to deal with it in whatever way you can that doesn't involve blaming a third party for somebody else's actions. MS gave us the ability to block, mute, and report. That's plenty. I'm so sick of this entitled, victim, pc society.
And she did what any normal person would of done right away right? And muted them and left them bad feedback and ignore them right!??!?!?!?
Seriously people! This guy didn't break the law or anything. Was he a Jerk? ABSOLUTELY! but he has the right to be obscene as much as anyone else does. I have to ask. Did she COMPLETELY FAIL to see the ESRB alert when she booted up the game? "Online interactions are not rated." Let me tell you all something right here and now. If those morons from the Westboro Baptist Church get to say the horrible, hurtful, and shameful, things they say while protesting the funeral of an American soldier, under the blanket of free speech, then This guy should be protected as well. Period. He spoke his mind and he has that right. IMO, he shouldn't be banned at all. that's why we can block people. The "Rep" system will be an added bonus to the new live, but seriously. No one deserves special treatment and if you don't like what people say online (that includes PC and PS4 as well) then don't play with strangers. (I play my online games with people from my friends list only) She should have blocked the guy and moved on. Question: Why is she so special that when SHE doesn't like someone they should be banned or suspended? Answer: Shes Not.
Those people can say what they want in an open forum, but XBL isn't an open forum. They charge people to be able to connect to their service, so their customers should have a basic right to not be verbally assaulted every time they join a match. Also, if the person was threatening her with bodily harm, he was breaking the law, not "speaking his mind".
If I am going to pay for a service, I expect it. I would not pay(and don't) for a service where verbal abuse and harassment is allowed and you are simply expected to ignore it. You act like that and there is proof, your account should be banned. No if's, and's or but's. You can act a certain way, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences. You might get beat down, fired, even killed. You opened your mouth to say stupid things to someone, you take that chance. The people defending this guy are probably the very ones that act in a similar manner.
You are bound by MS terms of service. Here is their page regarding their code of conduct online http://www.xbox.com/en-US/l... This isn't a free speech issue. You sign away your right to free speech on the service when you sign up. It's in the Terms of Service. Just because there is an ESRB warning, that doesn't mean that people are allowed to be abusive. 1st amendment free speech doesn't even cover abuse or harassment. There are laws that explicitly say so. It's the same on here. When you sign up, you can be banned for being abusive to other members. You explicitly agree to it when you clicked that little check box.
"Seriously people! This guy didn't break the law or anything." Of course he broke the law. Threatening someone with rape or violence is absolutely against the law. Doesn't matter if they don't mean it, if it's in person, online, over the phone..what he did couldn't be more illegal. How can people not know this?
Speaking from personal experience, all you have to do to provoke these imbeciles is be black, sound black or be female. Honestly, if you defend this crap you're as bad as them.
@darkride66 @MsMcClever You're wrong. Threatening to commit assault is illegal ONLY IF it is accompanied by the apparent ability to carry out the threat. The user on XBL making threats does not have the ability to follow through with them unless they personally know the person they're speaking too. These treats were made by a guy who did not personally know this woman, and that was not capable of getting her personal information. He could not carry out his threats and therefore, did NOT break the law. @rainslacker I never said he didn't break the TOS. I said he didn't break the law. IMO, people should expect this because it's a sad fact of online gaming. People are jerks. Boo Hoo. If you don't like it, then just game with people on your friends list. That way you know they wont be nasty. I don't see why people get banned when we have a system for totally blocking them and it's as easy as pushing a button. @RavageX You'd be wrong. I've never spoken like that to someone online. Making accusations based on some narrow minded assumptions on your part is nothing short of ignorant. As for the rest of it. As I said, that's why we have the ability to block people. If she thinks shes so special, then she should be patient and not whine about MS not acting swiftly enough, because as we all know, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS ONLINE. not just to women, not just to people of other race, gender, Sexual orientation, ETC. But to everyone! and there's so much of it, I'm sure it takes ages to get every case handled. She's no more special than anyone else no matter what she may think. it's happened to me too. But I just block and move on. I'm an adult, I don't need to cry like a 6 year old with hurt feelings. LASTLY, I also consider that we don't know what she said to him at all. She could have been a prick too while they were in game. We don't know. I've heard females on XBL talking smack just like the guys do.
Only in America. Place where it's cool to call girls b!tches. Place where a dude sings he cannot find a better word than "sexy B!tch" to describe a girl without being disrespectful is being played atleast 20 times a day in every major radio channel.
I dont know where you got the idea, but its not cool to call women bitches in America. Call an american woman bitch and see how long it takes you before you are slapped. Rap makes it seem cool, but rap is a fantasy land. Call a woman a bitch in Tennessee, you will be lucky to escape with your teeth.
You can mute them, block, and remove them from your friends list. If it takes MORE than one of those options you should probably take out a restraining order. NOT blame MS for a "slow response".
"Slow response?" Hell what response? MS isn't doing anything but pretending there is nothing they can do. I don't even understand the point of muting after the person being an idiot has already said things to tick you off and even scar young ones.
As I said- if it takes more than a simple mute/block then call the police. Not MS.
lol look at kotaku reporting about something no one cares about. Don't act like you all care one bit. This female is mad because no one gave her personal attention? Well...that's new. What you do all expect, Microsoft to answer every complaint? It's the internet. Report, block, move on. What did you want, an apology? She wants this user punished like she is some sort of queen or something ha. And you all are falling for that sympathy why?
I disagree and yes this does bother me. The problem is MS does nothing no matter what you report which is insulting since we are paying for this service. Why you would attack her for trying to get something done about about an everyday problem is beyond me. Sure the negative Xbox news is a bad thing but this is something that needs attention.
blah blah blah - that's all I hear. Tomorrow we will all wake up, and still - not care.
Take you're headset off or mute the guy! Im pretty sure if i walked up and started jackin it in front of her shed leave. I don't mean to sound incencitive but really? Top story? WTF is wrong with n4g lately!?
BS shin. I constantly use it to congratulate someone on what i thought was good teamwork, tell them there server is awesome on Battlefield 3, or just tell them there gamertag is awesome. I got called a fag on PS3 CoD 4 a LONG time ago. Its not the console its the games/ game community. This is not only expected, its seen every minute of every day on CoD. Just a fact.
@Maddens Raiders That's not how it works. Microsoft employees people whose job is to investigate these reports and act accordingly. They're basically moderators of the service. I'm not taking any sides, but I find it hard to believe she was innocent in the matter. It takes two to tango. In my experience, girls on there are either bitchy or silent. I guess they have to be with all the little boys on there giving them a hard time. She should've muted him from the start. That's what it's there for. Everyone knows COD diehards have nothing intelligent to say. Ever. It comes with the territory. That being said, he definitely deserves to be banned for making such comments. That's basically a threat.
"I guess they have to be with all the little boys on there giving them a hard time." That's the point. You don't have to "tango", you just have to show up and not be male. Go ahead. Set up an account that claims to be female, get a girl to speak through your headset. Play exactly the same as you usually do. See how you get treated...
I'm not arguing the fact that women take a lot of crap from idiots online. But again, that's what the mute option is for. It's not difficult to use unless you like arguing with people. It sounds to me like she's just as guilty. Case in point: The article states he sent her a text message followed by a voice message. Why didn't she block all communications with him after the first message? I can tell you why: Because it takes two to tango. If a scrub sends you a text message, you're pretty much forced to read it. If they send you a voice message, however, nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to listen to it. I sure as hell don't.
That is one of the reasons I gave up playing on Xbox live & went over to Playstation & people say why don't you turn the volume down & I'd say why should I gamers should be civil to one another banter yeah but harassment no way that was just a nasty piece of work he should be banned for life .
Unfortunately, things like that happen every day.
She's playing CoD ffs what did she expect? @inveni0 Calm down you're taking what I said too seriously. The CoD community has one of the worst reputation in the game industry. It is filled with bro gamers who have little respect for each other much less a female gamer. If she wants to enjoy her game without being harassed I would recommend her to change to a different game with a friendlier community. Honestly given the CoD community she's bound to encounter a similar event. You can't change the way people act far as online gaming goes.
She expected to be able to enjoy a game like everyone else, that's what she expected. With your mentality, women shouldn't walk past construction sites because the workers will whistle and say gross things. In reality, they should be allowed to walk wherever they'd like, and the men who make it so they can't should be reprimanded.
@inveni0: zeal0us makes a legitimate point though. In CoD everyone is a target. There comes a point where you have to accept that. But I also agree with you, and based on what PHATDOG said, he went too far and deserved to be reported. I love how CoD players, not all mind you, have this idea that because they did well in a CoD game that they are somehow something big and important. Can't wait for life to smack people like that upside the head with a 2x4.
"She expected to be able to enjoy a game like everyone else" Well she is getting insulted LIKE EVERYONE ELSE . It's not gender specific overall , it's an idiotic mindset where you'll get harassed or insulted whatever gender or ethnicity you belong to , by a minority , but still huge quantity of idiots . So she is completely right to complain about it , but others are right to when they advise to change games and avoid the dregs of online gaming . I agree with one of the kotaku posters however when he says : "Microsoft (and soon Sony mind you) - You expect people to pay for your service? Than you need to MONITOR your service, so they can play without being hassled." And by that i mean actually monitoring stuff . Not pushing some agenda about using real IDs as proposed in the past . Real IDs dont work , people have been using them for ages on social networks without acting any differently
*selects user* *mutes*
Yeah holy crackers... if anything they should include a disclaimer with COD preparing people for the online community there, but I really think some sort of player rating system would go a long way to fashioning a community where "like-rated" persons can interact and play together without much chance of running into total a$$holes 24/7. Though dividing one's gameplay community can have its own consequences especially concerning online arenas.
@Baka-akaB So I guess you hadn't heard yet but now all the address info about your FB account can be pulled up easily with google so if your console and online ID is connected to your FB account then shit could get real. Think of it this way you talk trash to a random person in a match, that person then looks up your ID and sees it connected to FB. If that person lives in your city then they can drive over to your front door and cause a real issue for you. Do you see why real ID's will help to curb some not all but some of this bad behavior. People like their gaming and social experiences connected so it's just a matter of time before people learn you can't conduct yourself like A holes. The funny thing is this already happened in New York last year I believe.
@HiddenMission In reality it doesnt work like that , most times . In the real world those people are either too dumb to consider that , or feel no one is going to bother tracking them down with a lawsuit or physical harm . Wich means that no it hasnt been a deterrent so far . People are as rude and insulting with their real identities on Facebook and the like of twitters than within the confine of being anonymous . Wich is why i hate it when company hide behind Real IDs concepts as a way to escape doing their job better , that is to properly control and punish offenders . Maybe it will change , but right now when those companies mention those , it's a cop out . Again i reminding folks that it's an actual paid service , not the free wild internet
Damn it. Should have read you're comment before posting mine. (:
"Unfortunately, things like that happen every day." Unfortunately...it does...
Doesn't mean I wouldn't still want to have a "chat" with this guy face to face no matter how common it is. I'd let my fists do the talking.
and sadly multiple times a day to sometimes the same person
this is why im always in party chat when playing mp games
"Jenny Haniver was playing Call of Duty online when another player started saying some nasty things." ... and here i thought that the CoD community is one of the most respectful, and courteous bunch of people on the planet...
Too funny... Report, then block. Done... you will never hear from that person again.
She didn't just want that though. She wanted him punished. Which is kind of immature. She should have just left it at reporting him and let them deal with it whenever. Why does it matter so much that he was punished?
I agree with you. She wanted his account banned so bad she kept checking it to see if it was banned yet. When it wasn't, she took up a social media crusade. She had no idea if the person had received some sort of warning from MS that if he did it again he'd be banned etc. She was out for revenge and thought her particular situation was higher priority than everyone else's issues sitting in the same queue.
While this sort of talk is absolutely disgusting it does not warrant a permanent ban unless he's doing it frequently to other players. A 2 week ban would be good IMO as a warning. I think she took the comments perhaps a bit too personal? If I held a grudge like that against every player who's said horrible stuff to me I dont think I'd have too much time to play games :/
I think she did the right thing. The only way we'll ever get a handle on these bullies is if we hold those who are ruining our communities responsible for their behavior. If she just ignored and blocked, how long would this guy's harassment have gone on unchecked? How many more would have had to endure his bullying before something was done? Online harassment is a crime. It's everyone's duty to speak out when they see a crime committed. You wouldn't sit idle if this joker came into your work site and shouted these at you there would be grounds for him to be arrested and charged. We wouldn't accept it if he left harassing phone calls. People need to be held accountable for their actions. And people are saying he shouldn't even have received an account ban? He threatened her with rape. Clearly he's broken the law and should be charged with a crime. And this is how it starts. It starts with online harassment, and as they get away with it, they become emboldened. Then they start sending emails, then it escalates to words shouted on the street. Then the violence starts. There's a pattern to how abusive people escalate their harassment. Of course not every online bully goes this far, but psychologists have long theorized a link between online bullying and future real world violence. We've got tools at our disposal to report these individuals. The reason why online gaming is such a cesspool is because we, as gamers, allowed it to happen. She should be pressing charges. Trash talk can be fun. Threats of violence are against the law.
Really...she is the immature one...I think your the immature one here who must not have a daughter! Attitudes like yours disgust me! You never know what she has been through in her life for all you know she could have had a horrible miscarriage in her life. Think before you comment!!!
Maybe that asshole was right about "that time of the month" /joke On all seriousness, whenever some jerk acts like an asshole to me on Xbox live I just respond with "LOL noob" and then report them and forget about it. Life is too short to get hung on what some random douchbag on the internet says about me. Also, there's that invention called the mute button, people should use it so that trolls will only be talking to themselves, don't give them the attention they want.
Maybe she wanted revenge. Personally I've been trying to avoid people more rather than trying to control their behavior. Not surprised to see an article like this from Kotako for some reason. They like to play the sensationalist sensitivity game it seems.
I'm curious as to what the response would have been if the comments in question were aimed towards a male gamer. I'm not defending the guy. I'm always up for a bit of gaming banter but that's taking it too far. Still..I can't imagine there would be so much uproar if a male reported something similar.
There would have been no response. If it happens to a male gamer it doesn't matter. Double standards are as much a part of gaming as code is.
Not sure how you got so many bubbles but you really don't think before you comment. This isn't about double standards it's about the way we conduct ourselves as human beings! If you attacking someone over the web, during a gaming match or in person there are punishments for that kind of behavior and you are condoning that conduct! It's gaming it's supposed to be about having a good time...at what point did it become about attacking others who can't kick your teeth in right there on the spot. If want to trash talk hop on party chat with your friends and bust their shit...not randoms who may not feel like being attacked while playing video game. You disgust me!
@HiddenMission Your response to Dragon Knight makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He's bringing up the fact that there is a double standard (and this news story here proves it). If a guy made a big deal about being talked to negatively or harassed verbally, no one would care. It's interesting that some female gamers are asking for equality but yet want special treatment as well. If a guy reported another guy harassing him, how quickly would Microsoft or the gaming media respond to his query? Would it be on the front page of N4G? A female gamer does it and it's "big news" and you can expect all the social media justice warrior pundits to talk about the evils of man and how "male dominated" gaming is. It doesn't sound a lot like equality to me but a plea for special treatment. I don't play COD but it is something I'm observing from the outside looking in (also if you don't think guys don't get harassed in COD, just look up Minossota Burns).
Come on, dude. I take it you're a dude? We both are. Don't try to play that game. We both know what it is, or at least you should. Stop playing the "I'm the real victim" card. If you're a grown man, chances are rape isn't the threat to you that it is to women. If, as in your little "What if?" scenario, it had been a guy then what? Do you think he would be going off about the dude being on his period? Do you think he would leave a message threatening to rape him and force a late term abortion? Come on with this stuff. It's not about YOU.
He's not saying that at all. He's saying that if some guy starts telling you he's going to rape you until you bleed or whatever and you're a man, then it's not a priority. But if you're a woman and a similar situation, then it's ZOMG lets ban the account immediately. Both situations should be treated equally. He's asking for equal treatment. not about him at all.
LeCreuset: So just because a guy can't become "impregnated with triplets and forced to have a late term abortion" that means there isn't a double standard? What if the guy said something that was specifically gruesome about men? I'd write an example but it would be flagged. But you know if someone said that to a guy nothing would come of it. You wouldn't see this white knight crusade all over the internet because it doesn't matter if men are abused that way. We're supposed to just take it. We're men, we're not oppressed we're the oppressors right? This girl goes on a revenge crusade and that's her right, but if a guy did that you'd never see it on Kotaku and if you did, that guy would be ridiculed for being butt hurt about losing to someone in CoD. @LeCreuset below: You simply don't understand. Your mind has been poisoned to think that rape is not equally as threatening to men as it is women so you can't conceive of a situation in which these things can play out the same way. You also missed the point entirely. I'm not pissed that people are speaking out about anything. I'm questioning her mindset. Why she had to be so vengeful. I'm also bringing to light the very real fact that had she been a he then this wouldn't even be a discussion. Rape isn't the only insult one can make so open your mind and stop White Knighting for someone who was out for blood because she had to deal with a typical CoD player and didn't like it.
@IcicleTrepan Both situations should be treated equally? Did you read the article. It wasn't handled at all until she went on her blog and other blogs picked up on it. Is a dude going to see it through like that to bring the issue to light? Probably not, because rape isn't the threat to most grown men that it is to women. Instead of crying about a double standard, the next time it happens to you do like she did. Don't just keep your mouth shut, then wonder why you get different results. @DragonKnight See my response to Icicle. If you have a problem with something said to men, step up and do something about it like she did. You seem more pissed that people on the internet are speaking out against such behavior than you do about people on the internet saying stuff like what he did. @Dragon above You call it being a white knight. I call it having some freaking decency. She has every right to want him banned. What he did was criminal. At the least he should be banned. There's a decent chance he reads gaming sites like this one. If he's reading this, who does he see you criticizing more? Him, or her? Time for the gaming community to stop enabling these losers with the "boys will be boys" attitude.
@Icicle Trepan: In an ideal world of actual gender equality, then yes, both situations should be treated equally. In reality however, we need to do more about the fact that women are dramatically more victimised than men. A situation in which a man is threatened with rape by another man over a videogame is simply not as serious as when it happens to a woman in this society. Culturally, men have been conditioned to handle such a situation differently. Men in this culture are the "active" ones, the aggressors, the movers and shakers. A rape threat means considerably less to most men- has considerably less reality. If we decide to give AS much consideration to rape threats from men to men, we run the risk of not tending to a more immediately problematic area in society. You're simplifying the issue much more than it can ever allow. Plus, none of this is about asserting female dominance or something, it's about levelling an asymetrical power relation within gender politics- it's about achieving ACTUAL equality, not maintaining a form of tacit exploitation and ambient systemic oppression.
she posts videos like that on youtube all the time, just report them and move on. i wanna know what she does to provoke these people.
It's actually a breach of Xbox Live code of conduct by posting that video. So technically she can be put temp ban too.
People act like idiots so it's proof she's doing something wrong? What makes you think a response like that can be provoked? In other words, who in their right mind would think to respond to any form of provocation by saying something like that? I tell you, there are a bunch of Noah Crooks-minded people out there giving a bad rep to gamers.
all im saying is that if i am playing with a group of people and they are playing the game properly and at least trying then everything is fine, however, if they are acting like an idiot in order to get a rise out of me so that they can record it and post my gamertag on the internet so that people will retaliate on me. then who is really in the wrong. she may have said much worse things and they responded as such. im not trying to justify what they said, im just saying that she could be just as in the wrong as them, she is just the one that posted it on the internet and is acting like she needs defending.
This needs to be the top comment.
What I'm wondering is, why did it matter to her so much that he gets punished and why did she have to hound and hound and hound to ensure he did? Most people would report him, block the guy, and be done with it. She went that extra mile and continued to stalk the guy's account to make damn sure something was done to him. That's vindictive, and vengeful, and should be questioned.
Probably because she's sick of it happening and feels like the lack of punishment is enabling these people? Gee, I wonder why she would think that. Let's criticize her some more though.