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Submitted by kelstretch 253d ago | opinion piece

What did Nintendo ever do to you?

Shaun from SA Gaming Portal expresses his views on the Wii U as well as lists a comprehensive list of releases for the platform. (Nintendo, Wii U)

zeal0us  +   253d ago
"let’s not forget the first gaming console"
Actually Nintendo didn't introduce the first gaming console. The first gaming console would be Magnavox Odyssey. It was release May 1972. Nintendo first console, Color TV Game didn't come until 1977.

Now however my first game console was Nintendo NES. My first game handheld was a Game Boy Color. Pokemon Gold and Silver were my two favorite games and sadly the first and last two pokemon games I actually played.
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MollyLHoch   252d ago | Spam
RedHawkX  +   252d ago
nintendo made all there games only playable with weird freaky controllers with waggle or big ipads. so now all the gameplay in there games are wack and lame and a chore to play. nintendo also overpirced and underpowered there consoles. they hurt me bad and im here to return the favor with a no purchas of nintendo stuff except for gamefreaks pokemon x/y
AWBrawler  +   252d ago
wii u gamepad isn't really all that big. roughly the size of a kindle fire, and no nintendo first party game forced waggle on Wii. if it had motion controls it was fully utilized, not just random waggling.
Knushwood Butt  +   252d ago
@ AWBrawler

Mario Galaxy - random waggle to spin along vines.
golding89  +   253d ago
No 3rd party support hurting the fans. that is what it has done.

At this point..they need a change. people don't want to play Mario every day.
Summons75  +   253d ago
No it's a catch-22. Publishers refuse to support because of the "low" install base but the install base won't grow unless they publish. It has nothing to do with Nintendo, publishers are afraid to take risks, devs under those publishers have claimed multiple times they want to support he wiiu.

The wiiu has a lot of potential for gaming if applied right but people are afrai of change.
KonsoruMasuta  +   253d ago
That's why Nintendo makes more than Mario games.
chronoeman   252d ago | Spam
gedden7  +   252d ago
Listen and listen well..

NINTENDO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 3RD PARTY COMPANIES NOT BRINGING GAMES OVER... Not since the N64 days... 3rd party companies rather have NON game makers like SONY and MS that will allow them to run up budgets and make sub par games with the exception of a few like GTA, Bioshock, etc..

3rd party companies fear Nintendo's first party software and as long as they are in the HARDWARE business they have A LOT of power... This is why you see ALL THESE DOOM AND GLOOM articles about ANY AND EVERY NINTENDO software and hardware product... Nintendo was doomed with the N64 because of the use of the cartage, Nintendo was doomed with the gamecube because of the media form, doomed with the Wii becuase it was gimmicky, doomed with the 3ds because of low sales and now doomed with the Wii U because its not as strong as the xbone and ps4..

It will never end.. WHY?... Because it's all propaganda aimed at firing shots towards Nintendo from the competition: Sony, MS and 3rd party companies.. But even with such adversity Nintendo never breaks and continues to move forward and create good and quality games WHILE thinking outside the box, ie Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Pikmin, Pokemon (at one point), Wii motion controls, Wii U gamepad, SmashBros, Animal Crossing, Brianage and many other titles and innovations...

3rd party devs FEAR THIS and WANT NINTENDO OUT of the game so they can be replaced by another NON Game maker Hardware company..
jcnba28  +   252d ago
3ds doesn't have much 3rd party support and it's the best selling system so far this year. Explain that one for me?
gazgriff2k12  +   253d ago
started to lose focus and go cheap plus they totally wasn't prepared for online or hd graphics. the success of the wii and ds went to there head so they got lazy. they only have themselves to blame. Bring back the old nintendo before they become sega part 2
millzy102  +   253d ago
Third party support is not Nintendo's fault but third parties, before you say yes it is, the Wii u is not selling I would like to point you towards the 3ds, highest selling dedicated gaming device in the world at this point, where's all the western support, oh yeah it's hardly there. Nintendo isn't the problem third party companies are especially EA, it's getting that bad I'm refusing to buy some publishers games on any platform, if they don't respect there consumer base I won't reaspect them.
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joeorc  +   252d ago
@millzy102

"where's all the western support, oh yeah it's hardly there. Nintendo isn't the problem third party companies are especially EA, it's getting that bad I'm refusing to buy some publishers games on any platform, if they don't respect there consumer base I won't reaspect them."

they are both to blame but in my opinion its more on Nintendo's side for what hardware they chose for the 3DS not because its not good hardware or anything like that its because, for the simple fact when 99% of all Smartphones are using Arm cortex A9's in pretty much every smart devices from smartphones to Tablets.

Nintendo uses Arm 11's we are talking about a chipset that was developed in early 2002! vs. late 2008 and 2009+ that everyone else is using right now. as a matter of fact Arm 11's use : ARMv6 core instructionset base, while cortex A series are ARMv7 core instruction base.

that is a very big gap in what you can run on v6 vs v7 on the base core of each type.

see for yourself:

http://wanderingcoder.net/2...

a NOTE IF YOU DID NOT KNOW:

The processor core implementation used in the original iPhone was
the ARM11 (it was the ARM1176JZF-S!

The 3DS while a very good system for games, has more limitations on what you can do with the Hardware. esp. in the UNITY 3D game engine. its not that you cannot make fun and exciting games for the 3DS. Its just that compared to pretty much every smartphone the 3DS's hardware just is that much more lacking than it would need to be.

for example: even though the 3DS has (2) Arm 11's only one is used for games and its running @ 268 Mhz

According to official documents, the CPU used is a dual-core ARM11 CPU, clocked at 268MHz. One core is dedicated to system software, while the other is used for application programming, each known as the syscore and appcore, respectively.

VRam:
6 MB within SoC. Independent of system memory (FCRAM).

system ram:

2x64MB Fujitsu MB82M8080-07L = 128 MB total system ram.

GPU = DMP PICA 268MHz
http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/...

the problem is even smartphones can outperform this hardware, and we are talking about entry level smartphones!

Nintendo puts out quality hardware in the case of the 3DS its just to OLD vs what developer's have for development tool chains and APi's in what they use right now.

Many see Arm 11 as just to OLD because it is just not as capable as the Arm Cortex A series of hardware and since most smartphones made in the past 5 years have all been cortex A series processor's Nintendo really is that far below the standard mobile devices hardware that is used in pretty much every mobile device out there.
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millzy102  +   252d ago
I understand what you are saying but why's are you comparing the 3ds to smartphones, yes entry level smartphones technically have higher specs than the 3ds, but there also required to do a lot more than just play games. if it is the chip set that is the problem, why is no one developing for the vita as well
which has a more modern chip set that devs have the tools and Api's for. the only answer is lack of developer interest which again is not Nintendo's fault, same goes with Sony and the vita, they make a product it up to devs if they want to make games for them or not. Which is fine, I ain't got a problem with that because I own multiple consoles so I won't miss out on a game I want, but what I do have a problem with is all this bs spewing out developers mouths about why this game is not coming to Wii u or why it's missing certain features, like online play in batman, why only half arse the support for Nintendo but not anyone else, either make the full game or leave it, I'm really getting fed up with all this negativity aimed at Nintendo and how they should be like Sony and Microsoft, I don't want to own 3 identical systems I want variety.
gedden7  +   252d ago
"they are both to blame but in my opinion its more on Nintendo's side for what hardware they chose for the 3DS not because its not good hardware or anything like that its because, for the simple fact when 99% of all Smartphones are using Arm cortex A9's in pretty much every smart devices from smartphones to Tablets."

"Nintendo puts out quality hardware in the case of the 3DS its just to OLD vs what developer's have for development tool chains and APi's in what they use right now."

Umm NO thats what articles would lead you to believe... But when there's an avenue to MAKE MONEY COMPANIES WILL TAKE IT!!!! But the case of these 3rd party companies its politics...

If the tech is old, companies would just have to resort back to old devs kits/tool instead of the news one that you are using its as simple as just using the older tools..? What do you think they throw them away??? And if they sold them to another comapany then that company can use them, correct?? It's just software at this point anyways...

It has very little to do with what Nintendo does. BUT HAS ALL TO DO WITH WHAT 3rd PARTIES "CHOOSE" TO DO.. Its all politics..

Oh and you are talking about smart phone devs?? UMMMM the 3ds is not a smart phone buddy...
joeorc  +   252d ago
@millzy102

"I understand what you are saying but why's are you comparing the 3ds to smartphones, yes entry level smartphones technically have higher specs than the 3ds, but there also required to do a lot more than just play games. if it is the chip set that is the problem, why is no one developing for the vita as well"

The reason's are very simple:

you asked :
"why's are you comparing the 3ds to smartphones"

A: Because Nintendo is using in the 3DS ARM powered chipset's, and so do smartphones and Tablets. Developing on those SOC's are alot a like in such that the core instruction set is close to align. 3RD party development studios and publisher's have a single platform to work the development process on. but like i stated when all your 3rd party developer's are using ARMv7 instead of ARMv6 for their instruction set that is a problem for Nintendo's system.

you again asked"

"if it is the chip set that is the problem, why is no one developing for the vita as well "

A: and if you would know that the time required to make a class AAA game for the PSVita is 12 to 18 months that is not including publishing. could that be shorter time frame, sure as a matter of fact playstation Mobile games are added quite fast to market on PSN+
but to make to store shelf, Time to publish is more akin to the livingroom console than it is to publish straight to network software distribution.

Look at the games for the 3DS while very fun and fantastic to play look at the cost's involved to produce such games and the cost's involved to produce something like Tearaway. Killzone.

you cannot expect the games to take the same amount of time.

Again you stated:

"the only answer is lack of developer interest which again is not Nintendo's fault, same goes with Sony and the vita, they make a product it up to devs if they want to make games for them or not."

in the case it all involves man power, resources and of course investment by the developer of time and money, man power and if they can spare it.

these new Mobile chipset's are getting to the point that even john carmack said himself that it requires quite a bit of investment not just in $$$ but also experience with such hardware, no one person can do it all.

Remember the PSVita has 128 MB of dedicated Video Ram just for its GPU! not other handheld in existance has that, you do not put that much dedicated Video ram in a mobile handheld , only to think of the short shelf sales cycle. it would be nice to sell faster, but do you expect to work to advance your tool chains over the long pt. instead of trying to rush everything out the gate?

for pete sake the handhelds chipsets SOC's now can run directX10.1 and in some cases higher!
and these smartphones may be able to do other thing's besides gaming, but for the simple fact most all are running GPU's like the Adreno 205+

The investment in development for the PSVita can be low to really large investment, right now to get larger AAA games development for the PSVita is not a small team size development. that's the point the 3DS and the PSVita's hardware gap is that freaking large! the development time is not going to be the same , if you are trying to make AAA games on both platform.
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Korde11  +   252d ago
I have decided, and my children know that this family will no longer support EA. We own every Madden and Fifa ever produced but we will find something else to keep us busy. The Wii U has an install base that is higher than the Ps4 and Xbox1 combined. So Wii U is only selling 10,000 per week. That is alot more than the zero that the others have combined. EA is full of crap!
SirDj  +   253d ago
Really good article. Oh and dont forget that nintendo also invented the krosspad andthe stick on the controller to move your character in the game ,witch was first intruduced with gamecube. All this that sony,xb gamers are enjoying are nintendo inventions ;)
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gedden7  +   252d ago
WOW 5 disagrees for stating facts... WOW..
The__Villager   252d ago | Spam
fermcr  +   252d ago
"What did Nintendo ever do to you?"

Nothing. I just don't find their games interesting enough (rare exception) to purchase their console (WiiU). I might change my mind in the future.
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MrTrololo  +   252d ago
Back in the old day Nintendo was the golden age of gaming but now it crown it taken by Sony & Microsoft. Most of the old nintendo game went exclusive for Sony & Microsoft.
THEMIGHTYDOOVDE  +   252d ago
So how come Nintendo are the ONLY company of the big 3 turning profit in gaming?
MrTrololo  +   252d ago
Mainly most of their profit comes from handheld which is DS and 3DS and possibly Wii but apart from that their company going downhill when Wii U released
jcnba28  +   252d ago
Yeah right Nintendo are still the king of gaming. All I see on sony and microsoft consoles these days are shooters. Such fun...!

In terms of profit Nintendo absolutely destroys the competition. Sony are still recovering from the ps3 disaster. But now they have the failing vita on their hands.
The_Truth_24_7  +   252d ago
Wii
Drummerdude41  +   252d ago
Gave me Pokemon!
SlapHappyJesus  +   252d ago
Offer me some of the highest quality releases in gaming is all . . .
Master-H  +   252d ago
I think Nintendo is cool ,if their games ever ended up on PS console i won't hesitate to buy some of them.
Master-H  +   252d ago
@Disagrees this was not a stealth troll, honest to god. i think Japanese console makers should stick together, if Sony and Nintendo enter some kind of agreement where each party releases some of it's games on the other party's console and vice versa, they can even do awesome cross overs , like Mario kart with LBP type user-created stuff, or Super Smash Bros meets PS ALL Stars, it would be cool imo. i say better that than Nintendo (god forbid) goes out of console business like Sega, i freaking miss Sega(first console i owned).
Erudito87  +   252d ago
release the wii without hd graphics
MiasmaDodo  +   252d ago
They forgot about me after the Gamecube and started asking my Grandma to play Wii-Bowling.

that was insanity.
swishersweets20031  +   252d ago
My main gripes that keep a wiiu out of my household
1. the price doesnt seem worth the value of the product
2. lack of games that interest me

I'm not buying another wii just to only have 3 games for the damn thing. Neither would i drop almost 350$ on it when a ps4 is more appealing for slightly more $.
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jcnba28  +   252d ago
I feel the exact same way about the ps4 right now.
solidjun5  +   252d ago
or just anything Sony. Right?
gedden7  +   252d ago
Listen and listen well..

NINTENDO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 3RD PARTY COMPANIES NOT BRINGING GAMES OVER... Not since the N64 days... 3rd party companies rather have NON game makers like SONY and MS that will allow them to run up budgets and make sub par games with the exception of a few like GTA, Bioshock, etc..

3rd party companies fear Nintendo's first party software and as long as they are in the HARDWARE business they have A LOT of power... This is why you see ALL THESE DOOM AND GLOOM articles about ANY AND EVERY NINTENDO software and hardware product... Nintendo was doomed with the N64 because of the use of the cartage, Nintendo was doomed with the gamecube because of the media form, doomed with the Wii becuase it was gimmicky, doomed with the 3ds because of low sales and now doomed with the Wii U because its not as strong as the xbone and ps4..

It will never end.. WHY?... Because it's all propaganda aimed at firing shots towards Nintendo from the competition: Sony, MS and 3rd party companies.. But even with such adversity Nintendo never breaks and continues to move forward and create good and quality games WHILE thinking outside the box, ie Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Pikmin, Pokemon (at one point), Wii motion controls, Wii U gamepad, SmashBros, Animal Crossing, Brianage and many other titles and innovations...

3rd party devs FEAR THIS and WANT NINTENDO OUT of the game so they can be replaced by another NON Game maker Hardware company..
mydyingparadiselost  +   252d ago
I don't understand all the hate either, the WiiU has given me some awesome games to play and there's alot to look forward to in the future. Between it and my PS3 I'm set for the next 3 years until I pick up a PS4.
BOWZER35  +   252d ago
All I know, the Wii U is what Nintendo fans have always wanted. It has HD and it will bring a bunch of good games. Playing Pikmin 3 right now and its one of the best games I've ever played. Also the game pad does add more to games. At least they're trying to change the way we play. Going back to normal controllers sometimes seems lame. This is just the beginning of a new era.

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