Microsoft has confirmed that the Kinect is no longer required for the Xbox One. So why not release without it and get to a competitive price point?
You don't have to pay for it. Get yourself a wii-u or PS4. I don't think they have Kinect. If M$ don't keep feature in place, they have zero chance of competing with PS4. If they show the features working as stated, they will turn the tide quickly. It is all about proof of concept now. Demonstrate the X1 pushing pollies and a high frame rate; Show Kinect2 working in an impressive manner; Demonstrate how the cloud will be great for those huge opened world games; Show how Kinect2 helps controller games while sitting to enhance gameplay; Show some new Kinect only demo's for the casuals. Do these things properly and watch the tide change almost over night.
Honestly the damage is already done. Microsoft had their May conference and E3 to demonstrate the things you mention. Instead they were more focus on TV features and trying to dodge and poorly justify the DRM. Sure if they did do those things at next few conferences before launch, it might draw a few gamers but some(mainly the ones who don't care for MS exclusives) already jump ship. -- Being that Kinect isn't mandatory its only a matter of time before the majority question MS on why is it included then.
"damage is already done" Another one of Sony supporter's catchphrases. LOL YAWN, I want to hear something new please.
@No_Limit And this is how pointless argue starts. Someone state something that doesn't align with your beliefs you called them a ___ fanboy or ____ supporter. You need to understand just because someone say something that isn't Microsoft friendly it doesn't automatically means they are Sony fanboy/supporter. Btw I owned a 360,have own several Sony products in the past, PC and Wii.
@No_Limit, You're one to talk, you made your account solely for trolling.
God damn what the F*** is up with this bullshit. All they said is that the xbox can now run without the kinect, they clarified it's still mandatory for all games and apps that use it, just now you don't have to worry about your privacy issues. It's like the wii sensor bar, you don't need it to run with system but without it the controller doesn't work so it makes the wii functionally useless.
@No_Limit It"s just like when Nintendo fans laugh at WiiU critics, look how it's doing now. @Bigpappy "If M$ don't keep feature in place, they have zero chance of competing with PS4" they can with games, it has always been about the games, gimmicks come and go. games like Bayonetta 2, W101, X and Zelda will make me get a WiiU
"The damage is already done" I don't think the average consumer cares except for getting the next COD or whatever. People here/go on other gaming websites care but a lot of people don't care. Saying that I don't think a lot of people care for the Kinect anyway (being not entirely a new thing as it was shown with the Kinect 1) which puts Microsoft in a delicate position and they need to justify why the extra money because a $100 difference is quite big regardless of income status. This news doesn't help them at all and actually goes against them. They need to make sure that people don't think it isn't needed which they are not doing right now.
This is a very good question. I think the answer is MS just want what ever benefit them more than "we listen to gamers" yes it business. A bullshit business that is.
"Honestly the damage is already done." zealous if you really believe that youbdont know much about gaming industry history. Gamers are fickle, look at RROD that was a disaster AFTER LAUNCH yet gamers kept gaming on 360, micro went on to be very succesdful and most gamers are fickle you speak for yourself and of course that may be the attitude the few hundred loyal ps supporters on n4g, other gaming sites eith heavy ps supporters but they all pale in comparison to the 10's of millions of fickle gamers, non loyal gamers and even more of the ones who dont frequent or care to read up on gaming news....no they just play what hits storevshelves, great games will superseed internet negativity. Like Bigpappy said all you have to do is not buy it....I mean if micro is so bad why are sonyfans still so interested?
@No_Limit You sure are obsessed with Sony aren't you? Not once did Zeal0us even mention them but it doesn't stop you having to bring them into the discussion.
Xbox 360 focused on the media entertainment as well. It just expanded with XOne. Your point is? Gamers sound silly mentioning that in a discussion because that has already been avenue traveled by MS since 360. Everybody should know that. And the DRM policy wasn't bad either. People are just slow at accepting change.
@JokesOnYou When I said "damage is already done." I don't mean Microsoft dug themselves in a hole to which they possibly can't recovery. I mean multiple things. Like I said before some people already jump ship from the whole Xbox One fiasco. Obviously this number isn't some huge percentage like 20%-30% but its still damage. Some of these people have families and friends and what do you think they will be telling their families and friends? Rumors and bad information can spread like wildfire. For instance many people actually believe President is from Kenya and not Hawaii. It probably started with one person or more people and they told their families and friends and those people's families and friends told their friends. Not only that but also what Agent 86 said below. That kind of damage can be just as bad as what I mention above if not worse. Some gamers kept gaming on the 360 after RROD fiasco mainly because MS fixed their 360 free of charge and increase the length of their warranty. Do you honestly believe if MS told those gamers they would have to buy another 360 and that they were not going fix their 360's, that gamers would've kept gaming on the 360?
To be honest the damage really is just to the core gamers though after the release of the console things can change especially those whom were on the xbox 360 from the start. Yes MS have lost chance of getting gamers from other consoles to jump ship but they probably have to gain back the trust of the core gaming community. In My opinion the damage has not been done, though they have just lost the trust of gamers around the world. It would be a different story if they kept the draconian policies and released the consoles with the limitation. Before those 180's MS pushed me into pre-ordering the PS4 but after all the 180's i Have since pre-ordered both but mainly due to the games i had seen during gamescom. To be honest they mainly focused on TV During the unveil but during E3 i saw purely games; though it is true they should of justified the reasons for the draconian policies.
MS kind of backed themselves into a corner with this latest 180 and could be facing a lose-lose situation. If the Kinect is no longer required for the console to work, many gamers would like to be able to buy the console without it and wonder why they have to pay extra for something they don't like or want. I'd bet, if given the choice of a $500 SKU with the Kinect and a $400 SKU without it, at least half of gamers would pick the cheaper version. By not offering it, though, MS now risks pissing them off and many Xbox gamers could switch to the PS4. However, if they turn around and do another 180 (geeze I'm getting dizzy) and offer a SKU without the Kinect, they risk pissing off the developers who were told that every Xbox One would have it and to incorporate it into their games. I'm sure lots have already poured resources into that and would not be happy to know that the Xbox One community is fragmented into those that have Kinect and those that don't. Selling a SKU without it would probably mean that most developers would just skip the extra expense (much like the current Kinect on the 360). So, MS risks pissing off gamers who don't want the device and forcing it on them (with the higher price) or pissing off developers who want to make sure everyone has one before committing resources to incorporate it's use. Pretty much the definition of a lose-lose situation. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
So they backed themselves into a corner for listening to the voices of gamers and changing their policies? Good lord, you young gamers are so demanding. If the problem is fixed, you cry about not having pie to go along with it.
@mikeyducati im sure every decision m$ has made was solely based on the fact that there listening to gamers! Are u serious they only got rid of the drm crap because they were prolly getting smacked in preorders then they come out and just said they listened so ppl like you would be like wow m$ listens and cares. And now there doing it again but even i think this decision was a mistake, like everyone else is asking now if i dont need it just give me the basic xbox then. And to be honest they keep flip flopping so damn much im not even sure what the policy's are anymore and i follow this crap!
@MikeyDucati1 "So they backed themselves into a corner for listening to the voices of gamers and changing their policies?" No, they backed themselves into a corner after looking at why their pre-orders were markedly low compared to the competition and offering yet another knee-jerk 180 in order to attempt recovery. "If the problem is fixed, you cry about not having pie to go along with it." What problem is fixed here exactly? It looks to the more objective observer that they only produced yet another problem of their own making - the fact is now that this system, that was apparently designed from the ground-up to make use of the integral Kinect 2.0, will now operate perfectly well with it sat in the box, so *everyone* who buys a bone, whether they make use of the kinect 2.0 or not, is paying for it either way... that's not "pie to go along with it" that's a side order of toasted turd with an extra $150 on the bill.
They wont remove it and really they shouldn't honestly they already look desperate...It feels like they are so concerned about sales that they don't even know what their vision was or really have any faith in it....It makes them look weak It's gotten to the point now where they are like a crack head looking for a rock...At this rate they'll be offering hand jobs and head for a sale
Although being a hater on the kinect you sir on right in pretty much every way
wiiU? O_o ugh
"You don't have to pay for it. Get yourself a wii-u or PS4. I don't think they have Kinect." Why do people ignore that the fact that Kinect wasn't used on the majority of 360s? I'm sure many people want to play Halo and Forza, but they don't want Kinect and are being forced to buy it. Without it One would be cheaper than PS4, yet could still retain it's media hub capabilities. MS would be smart to offer a Kinect free version sooner rather than later, but they won't do it right away. I expect One sales to spike heavily when they do.
Pretty much. Kinect is in itself, an accessory that they're pushing off to be a Next-generation, 'THIS IS THE FUTURE' kind of gadget. Yet they're not doing ANYTHING to really push out WHY, they're basically trying to TELL you it is, then letting you decide while using sparkly PR talk to try to sway you to 'Take their word for it'. They however, are not giving Proof or reasoning as to why they're right. They're letting Misinformation, vague answers, indirect responses be the reasoning for why they're right, beyond their own confidence. If they really wanted to win over the consumer and prove why Kinect is a necessity, they have to prove it with evidence, games, videos, features that no one else can do and blow peoples minds. Since they haven't? Most rational-minded people are as they are, Unconvinced and wary of their PR Bullshit.
Because that would greatly undermine the point of selling Kinect 2.0 in the first place, since a fractured userbase means less chances of developers caring to utilize Kinect. A Kinect-less model means less Kinect sales, making Kinect's future a failure. MS is thinking longterm and wont slash prices at the cost of all the R&D they put towards Kinect 2.0, and it'd be really stupid of them to do that now. Besides, if people are going to buy an Xbox One, I doubt most will forego the use of Kinect anyway. There are a lot of neat conveniences camera tech has, and you may as well get your money's worth if you're going to down $500 for the console. If you don't like it, don't buy it-- consumers will send the message, and if sales lag really far behind because of it, I'm sure MS will make adjustments. If anything, they sound more likely to lower the price and continue to bundle Kinect than sell a Kinect-less model. It's like selling the Wii U without the tablet.
I don't think it's like selling Wii U without the tablet. All games use it some way and it's the controller for the console as well. The Kinect isn't being used in any meaningful way just yet and now with this news, I don't see them really ever doing it at the expense of the game. For example, Halo 5 won't use it any integral way whereas the next proper Mario or Zelda game will.
Before the WiiU's release Nintendo put heavy focus on the gamepad/Wii U tablet. What it can do and how it makes the system more than just a ordinary console. Its the one thing that makes the console unique(outside of games). Just as motion controls made the Wii unique. The overall situation is similar to what Microsoft is doing with Kinect 2.0 and the Xbox One. So in a way it would be like Nintendo offering a WiiU without the gamepad.
@ zeal0us "The overall situation is similar to what Microsoft is doing with Kinect 2.0 and the Xbox One. " Nintendo didn't concentrate on showing how their controller made the Wii U more than just a console, they showed it playing games. When did m$ offer any compelling evidence for kinect 2.0 in this regard? Menu navigation and changing TV channels isn't what people want to hear about - they want to see these revolutionary kinect 2.0 games that make the bone an essential purchase - where is this evidence? What have they proven so far? Where. Are. The. Games?
a small userbase is worse than having a fractured userbase
I don't think so. I would rather a small player base where everyone has access to the same functionality, than a larger,fractured community. By keeping the Kinect bundled, it lets both players and devs know that regardless if they use it or not, every player has a Kinect, so on the developer end, adding Kinect functionality to games is more encouraged, while on the user end, players can feel free to engage in Kinect-required activities with each other, (skype, pictures, in-game actions, etc.) without worrying about whether the other person has a Kinect or not. It can make for a more tightly knit and like-minded community. Just because the Kinect isn't mandatory, doesn't mean that it still won't be an integral part of the X1 experience.
A kinect-less SKU a year down the line would be an absolute slap in the face for early adopters. Many of the people who buy consoles day one or in the first few months are some of the most hardcore, dedicated fans and well-informed gamers out there. To force kinect 2.0 on these guys and then offer a kinect-less bone a year later would be a double bitch-slap, one on each cheek, to your biggest supporters... Not only did you not want kinect 2.0, you were forced to pay for it when it really wasn't necessary and now casual joe public gets to buy just the console. This could end up backfiring for m$ - people who are wondering whether this SKU might appear one day could be put off becoming early adopters while they wait and see.
Because we want it? If we didn't, we wouldn't buy it.. Are all articles on here written by 14yr olds? Like wtf.. They get dumber by the hour
Thanks for reading? I assume you did because who would read the title and just comment, right? Since you read the article, you understand that not everyone who wants the console wants the Kinect, right? Anyway, thanks for your insightful and completely level-headed feedback.
MS will probably release an X1 without Kinect down the line. This 180 seems to be a setup for that and that means a less expensive sku. I would honestly be surprise, if they didn't do this.