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Submitted by Smoovekid 437d ago | article

Sony PS4 vs Xbox One: the 4K war begins

The PS4 and Xbox One both have 4K in their futures one way or another – not least because Microsoft has revealed that Xbox Ones will ship with a 4K-ready HDMI cable. (Industry, Microsoft, PS4, Sony, Tech, Xbox One)

Smoovekid  +   437d ago
I do not think either will do 4k gaming unless it is pong. Most high end GPUs on PC can't and TVs are all pretty much 1080p at the most. It would be cool if you could game in 1440p or higher resolutions.

Microsoft saying they can is a complete lie, or maybe it's in the clouds.
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cl1983  +   437d ago
I don't expect 4k games for quite sometime, mainly because most people don't have the devices to put out a 4k signal yet, and it's still questionable of when 4k tv's will be cost effective.
0ut1awed  +   437d ago
Yea, Smoovekid speaks the truth.

I have a 3930k and a 780 here. If you don't know what that means, ONLY my cpu and gpu cost $1200. Not bragging here just using this to make my point.

It runs metro last light at ~30fps in 1440p.
To be fair that game is a hard hitter. The point is I can see devs getting the consoles to 60fps @1080p with lots of optimization but probably not at launch.

I really hope that they are able to achieve it eventually because I truly want to play next gen consoles. I just doubt I will be able to bear 720p after already being at 1440p on my pc.

BF4 will only be 720p @ 60fps at launch. Compare that to standard launch games in the past and ps4 and xbone should be able to do 1080p @60fps eventually.
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ABeastNamedTariq  +   437d ago
@Outlawed

I'm pretty sure DICE said that they either are at 1080/60, or are targeting it (for consoles). Hope is not lost just yet haha.
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0ut1awed  +   437d ago
@ Slasher

I was the same way until I realized I could get rid of my current monitor at no cost for a 1440p one.

Needless to say the change is staggering. I could never go back. I can't imagine how good 4k is going to look.

Although I think Oculus Rift and Virtuix Omni are what gamers should really be looking forward to.
vigilante_man  +   436d ago
It will be used for movies in the first instance.
mewhy32  +   436d ago
does the the PS4 actually even come with an HDMI cable?
hkgamer  +   436d ago
erm... 4k tv will probably be cost effective alot faster than hdtvs were.

I mean my 480i Plasma TV and my 1080p LCD TV were both more expensive than Sony's 4kTV.

Im guessing the only 4ktv that wont be cost effective ones are the 4k OLED tv if that were ever released.
starchild  +   436d ago
The prices on 4K displays will go down fairly quickly. That isn't the real problem, the main problem is that the consoles simply don't have the power to render games with advanced graphics at that resolution.
porkChop  +   437d ago
Both consoles support 4K for movies. Neither supports 4K for games because it requires way too much power that can be used for more important things.
AzureskyZ  +   437d ago
Don't know why you got a disagree but you are correct-- 4k is possible on video but the amount of power needed to run 4k fluidly for games isnt going to be available this coming gen--- they could do it but thats going back to the ps3 launch issues where technology cost to much and hiked the price of the console. Most people cant even afford 4k tvs for at least 3-4 years when they come down in price anyways, this along with a new format perhaps hvd <holo> will highlight the next consoles.
mediate-this  +   437d ago
the hopefuls hope, and the realists tell it like it is
kneon  +   436d ago
They both have enough power to do some games at 4k. The problem though is if they are using hdmi 1.4 then the maximum frame rate us 24fps. Hdmi 2.0 would solve that but it's still not ready, it keeps getting delayed.
HammadTheBeast  +   437d ago
Don't worry, maybe at the end of the Gen, the 0.02% with 4k TV's can benefit from it.
PFFT  +   437d ago
I wouldnt mind playing Pong at 4K res lol
B-radical  +   437d ago
I wont expect a single gpu to be able to run in 4k for atleast 6 years but then again amd and nvidia are doing pretty impressive things
joefrost00  +   437d ago
The thing thats funny to me is that I keep hearing people call MS liars and lets get 1080p 60fps first MS already have a handful of games coming at launch with that
So I give it four years or so
I am really convinced gamers are pretty dumb
MS never said the cloud could make overall graphics better
They they coyld take some of the computing work and let the cloud do it
In term freeing up some of the CPU to do more graphical work
I keep hearing people try and make it a direct connection with cloud and graphics
No matter how many times MS explain it people will still get it wrong
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porkChop  +   437d ago
Microsoft doesn't need to specify "graphics" when talking about the Cloud. They literally said that the Cloud will increase Xbox One's overall power by 3x, which is impossible. Cloud doesn't work that way. While Microsoft never specifically said graphics, they did in fact try to trick gamers into thinking it.

"They they coyld take some of the computing work and let the cloud do it
In term freeing up some of the CPU to do more graphical work"

CPUs do not handle graphical tasks. That's why they're called CPUs, not GPUs.

I find it hilarious that you say gamers are dumb when you clearly have no idea how Cloud and hardware even work.
mediate-this  +   437d ago
I think don said him self the coud gives xbone the power of three xbones, but im not entirely sure, correct if im wrong
joefrost00  +   437d ago
You still need the cpu to process it dummy
Its like having 16gb of ram it would be pointless cause you wouldnt have the processing power to use it
If dont know anything please refrain from commenting
Mithan  +   437d ago
Agreed. Some indie games only. X1 and ps4 don't have the power
Neixus  +   437d ago
both companies ship their consoles with a 4k capable HDMI, thats it, nothing more.
Sony said that 4k photos will be possible, dunno about movies though
CraigandDayDay  +   437d ago
Of course 4K movies will work on the PS4 (and the xbone probably too). Sony owns 4K content. They'd be crazy to not allow 4K movies on their platform.
joefrost00  +   437d ago
Both said they will do 4k movies
And MS said they can do 4k gaming
Sony said they will .not
It really dont matter to me cause 4k is a tv.buzz word even to 4k tv arent real 4k but thats another conversation
I love how you all just straight call MS liars but if sony said they will do 4k games all of you sony fanboys would be on here not only bragging about it but trying to technically explain how they could
But I guess since sony cant do it MS cant either
Even though its on the box 4kgaming
And that mean all of you on here claiming MS is lying should get you a lawyer and sue them for false advertisement
SlyFoxC  +   437d ago
jesus joe....learn to type in paragraphs and not that random ass line shit you have there lol. its like trying to read a book written by a blind dude on acid....
KillrateOmega  +   437d ago
Quite frankly, I don't see 4K gaming as being a significant factor in the console war for quite some time.
cyguration  +   437d ago
Fully destructible city environments. That's more important than 4K.

Make it happen gaming industry.
KillrateOmega  +   437d ago
This.
Mikeyy  +   437d ago
This x100!!

This is why people need to get battlefield 4, call of duty will never innovate as long as they are sitting comfortably at 12 million sales per platform. Same thing with Madden. Madden 25 is just now catching up to 2k 2005'.
PFFT  +   437d ago
Sony should Announce War of the Monster 2 for the PS4. I know its a bit off topic BUT man can you imagine how bad ass that game would look running on the Ps4. The cities were fully destructible. So just the thought of being able to rampage through a big dynamic city gives me goosebumps lol. Man i do hope Sony didnt drop this IP cause that game was freaking awesome.
NarooN  +   437d ago
Back when Volition were awesome, the first Red Faction let you blow up a great deal of the maps with the Geo-Mod tech...and that was way back in 2001. I still remember the hidden area in one of the caverns about 60% through the game, where if you could find it, you'd get this insta-full health and enviro-suit, and a shitload of weapons including the Fusion rocket launcher.

*sigh* Miss that game.
SchwoererBear  +   437d ago
I have been dreaming of the day I can go full on Godzilla or Rampage in GTA or anyother game really. It would be really cool to play a fallout game where everything is destructable!
Stsonic  +   437d ago
Yes and when we are ready I think it will be on VR goggles way before consoles. lot's of people game now in 1440p so it won't be long before 4k monitors become more affordable.
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B-radical  +   437d ago
Not till next next gen anyway
Erudito87  +   437d ago
ALL hdmi cables are the same its the spec for the actual slot that changes meaning my hdmi cable that i bought with my original consoles works with 3d 4k etc. The chances are 4k blu rays at most will work but NO games
porkChop  +   437d ago
That's not actually true. Not all HDMI cables are the same. Even with standard non-4K cables there are differences in bandwidth. 3D 4K would require a ton of bandwidth that your standard $5 HDMI cable wouldn't be able to provide.
Erudito87  +   436d ago
It's been tested like crazy and if i had a monitor that was 4k i would be able to game at 4k. They advertise 4k or 3d on the newer to scam people and make a quick profit. The bandwith on the cables haven't changed at all just the devices with the slot have had upgrades ie a tv that has a higher refresh rate and 3d etc has a 1.4 plug where you can plug in any hdmi cable to get it all setup correctly for 3d. There have been SOOO many online articles to support this.
zugdar  +   437d ago
Stop. Why would anyone support 4K anytime soon with the practically 0 install base and resources to have such a resolution?
SchwoererBear  +   437d ago
4k is certainly far off. I think devs need to focus on mastering what is available(1080) before they worry about something that is uncertain. I would say that most people don't have blu ray players yet, I don't think people are ready for another upshift in resolution when people are just now settling in with HD tv's.
Belking  +   437d ago
Xbox-one can support 4k games. Maybe later on in it's life cycle when the tv's are more available.

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

Sony already confirmed ps4 can't.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013...
Allsystemgamer  +   437d ago
And they also said the 360/ps3 standard would be 1080p. Look what happened there. If a TITAN GPU is struggling with 4k there is no way the Xbone is going to do it.
porkChop  +   437d ago
Both consoles can technically output 4K for games because they support the resolution, but neither will actually do it. The difference here is that Sony is upfront about it, while Microsoft has worded their statement to trick people into thinking 4K games might come.

It's not going to happen. Even though it's technically possible, neither console has enough raw power to run next gen games in 4K. Even at 30FPS. The PS4's GPU is 50% more powerful, so if the PS4 can't do it then neither can the Xbox One. And that's not even taking into account the enormous amount of VRAM that would be needed for 4K.
Mikeyy  +   437d ago
Belking just go away. Both consoles can maybe do super meat boy in 4k, that's about it.

There is no way you are playing call of duty in 4k on these consols. At any point this gen.

$1000 video cards struggle to game in 4k.
Orange  +   436d ago
We know the hardware specs of both systems. PS4 can do anything XBone can. Maybe not vice-versa.
Belking  +   436d ago
I don't think so bro.
Ps4 can't
Skype
No snap feature
No HDMI in
No natural user interface
No cloud computing
No rumble triggers
No voice control
3 operating systems

I can go on about features it has that ps4 doesn't. Xbox-one kills it in that category. And to top it all off. PS4 can't do CCCCOMBO BREAKERS! Xb1 is awesome.
Orange  +   436d ago
Oh, those things. Gotcha. The topic was the ability to support 4K. Off topic, I think rumble triggers is the only thing on your list of tremendous features that I find interesting.

I would also list cloud computing, if I thought it would actually make a difference in a game, or that PS4 couldn't do the same.

Also, RE: cloud, I don't get why people talk about 300,000 dedicated servers, as if that in and of itself meant something. A server is not a blade. You can have multiple servers on a single blade. Saying "300,000" servers gives you no clue as to the amount of hardware and raw resources that are available for processing gaming information (as if the latency wouldn't kill its usefulness).
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Fergusonxplainsall  +   437d ago
Maybe not the 4K battle till next time..Not a lot of users and really high price point.

I think we'll see more with the new VR headsets. Virtual Boy thunder!

This gen is all out war on everything.
Good times!
maniac76  +   437d ago
Lol, mofod thought theyd be playin gta5 in 4k lol,no. Im sure 4k games are ment for the indies.maybe 4k version of skyrim lmao. Im fine with ten eighty
tubers  +   437d ago
They'll probably support 4K "2D" games.. like a Vanillaware title.
azshorty2003  +   436d ago
That could be very interesting. I never considered 2D in 4K.
JohnS1313  +   437d ago
Neither console will support 4K gaming. It would take too much RAM. It's for Blu-ray movies only. I doubt many people have 4K TVs yet anyway.
yewles1  +   437d ago
Both consoles lack DisplayPort 1.2, 4K gaming is a no-go, end of story.
Fireseed  +   437d ago
Yeah I could clearly tell what they were trying to play off when Major Nelson stated that the HDMI cord with the Xbox was "4K Rated" sure it can process 4K... but their probably won't be any 4k games.
dcj0524  +   437d ago
Maybe for the PS5. 4KDVD/BLU-RAY 4K what ever will be done by then.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   437d ago
Native 4k gaming confirmed for X1. PS4 already confirmed no native 4k for games :) use this bit of info to fight the SDF.
Hicken  +   437d ago
Stop lying.
Scatpants  +   437d ago
at 6 frames per second.
Funantic1  +   437d ago
PS4 can play games in 4k because its so powerful. Killzone must be in 4K. It's gotta be.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   437d ago
Lmao! A bit of sarcasm.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   437d ago
Heres the article from Polygon.
http://www.polygon.com/2013...
mediate-this  +   437d ago
off topic bring back battle toads or make a new one
NarooN  +   437d ago
Anyone who honestly thinks there will be any 3D games in 4K on X1 are insane. The GPU simply isn't strong enough, and if the PS4, a console with a GPU that's roughly 50% stronger can't do it, obviously the X1 can't.

Besides, 4K is really gimmicky anyway. No one at this point needs a resolution like that for gaming. The sheer amount of money you'd have to spend to even get GPU's to run a game at that res is crazy enough. Then the adoption rate of 4K TV's will be extremely low for quite some time.

Also, 4K TV sets will be a novelty item. It's similar to how 1080p is almost pointless on a TV set that's not around 42 inches or so. Unless you're gonna buy some 80+ in. set, 4K wouldn't be worth it for movies/gaming on a console.
dcj0524  +   437d ago
I played BATTLEFIELD 3 in 4K max settings for 20 mins. My eyes. It was so. Weird. You couldn't see the pixels if you tried. Everything was so freaking detailed it was creepy. It was like putting on a pair of glasses for the first time. I can't wait until this becomes mainstream. Remember when you saw 1080p for the first time? Well 1080p would be VCR 80s homevideo quality and 4k would be 1080p. It's that much better.
Scatpants  +   437d ago
4K will be for movies only. Maybe next next gen we'll have 4K games.
ooquis  +   437d ago
4K video and images playback is all i want.
evilhasitsway  +   437d ago
the lack of the tvs will prevent 4k on games they have already stated that 4k is only noticeable on like really big tvs like up in the 70 or higher inch tvs smaller ones that you like my self play on 42inch and lower you cant even notice 4k
Indo  +   437d ago
Before we start moving on to 4k, how about we take small steps. 1080p at 60fps, then 2k at 30fps and let that get things going. 4k is a long way to go and certainly won't be the next big thing until 6 years from now at least.

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