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Submitted by Prcko 914d ago | news

Kinect Is No Longer Mandatory For Xbox One


In addition to reversing its used game DRM policies for Xbox One, Microsoft has revealed that the console will no longer require Kinect to function. In our latest Ask Microsoft Anything, Xbox Corporate Vice President Marc Whitten revealed that Xbox One owners will be able to use all of the console's core functions regardless of whether the new Kinect sensor is connected. Naturally, many of the tentpole features of the new Kinect, such as player identification, voice commands, etc., will be disabled as a result, but players will still be able to play games and access entertainment content. (Xbox One)

Update From MS PR (Albert Penello), posted on GAF:

We still believe in Kinect. We aren’t interested in splitting the development base. The more demos I’ve seen, the more I’ve used it – the more impressed I am. The team feels strongly about Kinect, and I hope we’re able to prove that when you use it.

We also have a ton of privacy settings to allow people to turn off the camera, or microphones, or put it in a state just for “Xbox On” and IR blasting – there will be a lot of user control for that.

The thing we all understood, and hence this change, is that there are some scenarios where people just may not be comfortable. We wanted people to be 100% comfortable, so we allow the sensor to be unplugged. And clearly the “it dropped” scenario is possible.

The most obvious thing is watching a DVD/BD, or streaming a movie, or HDMI pass-through, your experience isn’t impacted (except you miss voice and IR blasting)

There is no “gotcha”, but obviously, if there is a game that REQUIRES Kinect (like Rivals), or something where Kinect IS the experience (like Skype), those won’t work.

That said, for people who have privacy concerns there are user control settings, which we believe are great.

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pacostacos  +   914d ago
"That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor"
Soooooo microsoft/nsa can not be using kinect to Spy on you becaue you can simply UNPLUG it preventing it from stealing your identity/life/soul/children/nu des.

Please remember to recycle your tin foil hats everybody!
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Abash  +   914d ago | Well said
Now they just need to make a cheaper SKU that doesnt include Kinect
JhawkFootball06  +   914d ago | Well said
Nice to see Microsoft listening to their customers. I know many people who are not comfortable with the Kinect being plugged in at all times. This just gives them reassurance that they can still play without it.
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-Alpha  +   914d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they do this, but it's definitely not a good future for Kinect if the userbase is so fractured. It seems that they don't want to give Kinect up, but if you don't need it plugged in, then people are going to continue to push for a Kinect-less option.

MS has to consider if it's better to lower the price and compete out of the gate against PS4's pricing, or if Kinect is a long-term advantage that needs time for its consumers to grow into.

Edit: actually, I guess if anything it's a peace of mind. I think most people who choose to spend the extra $100 on Xbox One will leave it plugged in, considering the ease of use and the way the UI is focused around Kinect makes it more convenient.
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creatchee  +   914d ago | Well said
No. No SKU without Kinect. This is absolutely perfect. Everybody gets Kinect, so developers can make features assuming 100% adoption, and you don't have to plug it in if you don't want to.
4Sh0w  +   914d ago
Why did Kotaku try to make it seem like a bad thing. This is for all the conspiracy theorists who said it would be spying on them.

Its still needed if you want to use kinect features.

Its great to see microsoft are listening to gamers.
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slimeybrainboy  +   914d ago | Well said
EDIT: Read it all wrong.

This is another 180 aha. Microsoft are like Tony Hawking the shit out of those 180's!
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JhawkFootball06  +   914d ago

Did you read the article?

"That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor."
georgeenoob   914d ago | Trolling | show
dedicatedtogamers  +   914d ago
This is great news simply because it leaves open the possibility for a Kinect-less SKU at a reasonable price. Seriously, the X1 should be the same price as PS4, if not cheaper, based on the hardware inside. Give customers the option, Microsoft.
Tony-A  +   914d ago
This is a very big improvement.

Why they didn't bother revealing all the negative aspects of the XBO in their reveal and flip everything according to feedback by E3 will never make sense to me. This would have erased a huge majority of negative press they've gotten all summer, but instead they've gotta work hand-over-fist to make it more closely resemble their competitor.

All that's left is the price - the biggest launch hurdle in my opinion.
mikeslemonade  +   914d ago
The part about how we hated the "spying 24/7 on you" was mainly a joke. No one really cared and if you really did care then all you had to do was cover the camera and plug the microphone.

What the gamers cared about was that it was an added cost that you are forced to buy. Regardless if you can unplug or not we don't want it to be a forced cost. If you really wanted to force it on the gamer then put it inside the damn system! Then you can say that camera feature if is innate system feature that will be utilized in almost all/all games.
No_Limit  +   914d ago
Great to hear. As already seen from the unboxing, the Kinect is a separate camera that can detached from the port so I am not suprise that this is the case.

I still think the console should come with the Kinect so it can utilize it to its full potential but for people that are NSA paranoid, this will ease their pain. No required mandatory internet and no Kinect required, the NSA trolls are running out of excuse now. I am loving it! :)
black0o  +   914d ago
@gerg think before u speak up plzz
DARK WITNESS  +   914d ago
the user base wont be fractured, people who don't want it will just unplug it.

everyone else can go on using it as they will. they can still supply it with every xbo.
gaffyh  +   914d ago
Kinect-less SKU incoming, guaranteed. Might not be available at launch, but definitely next by the end of next year.
karl  +   914d ago
developers cannot make games based on kinect considering 100 percent adoption because ps4 doesnt have one and MS only works third party games...
nukeitall  +   914d ago
I betcha the vast majority will hook it up, use it and freaking enjoy it!

Just like how the vast majority hates Google for the privacy, yet they continue to use it, because it is the best search engine and email out there.

By easing people's irrational fear, more people will use Kinect One. Just watch!
Gasian  +   914d ago
My gut tells me Microsoft wants to include the Kinect for the initial install base of the Xbox One ,but now with all these 180's that have happened because of the backlash they have received it is probably likely not to doubt them having a cheaper SKU without the kinect. GamesCom is near so hopefully we get our answers there.

On another note, Pandas are awesome.
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Insomnia_84  +   914d ago
So far this looks like a trap more than anything else! Seriously, why not just have an sku without the camara then? They will make you plug that thing one way or another by having devs implement things to games that can only be done with Kinect, they know you have one, they know they MADE YOU have one so they will do it and then you will have no choice but keep the thing always plugged!

Not convinced yet Microsoft!!! This sounds like anotber one of your dirty tactics!
black0o  +   914d ago | Funny
XboxOne should be called xbox720
180 DRM
180 headset
180 indie
180 kinect
NatureOfLogic  +   914d ago
So if we go back to Xbox One initial reveal/Post E3, Xbox One is so different now. That being said, MS is clueless when it comes to understanding it's fanbase. I see MS is trying to kill two birds with one stone here. If they don't don't make it mandatory, It's satisfy some of the people worried, but more importantly, It opens up future possibilities for a kineticless sku to match the price of PS4 if it dominants. MS's main worry is sales, not gamers concerns.
Dee_91  +   914d ago
I love that they are making this change.What I hate is how this is yet another thing they've made seem like the xbox just cant function without.If your consumers are vocal about a valid concern, stop trying to sway them with that PR bs.It will be hard for me to believe them when they say this and that is necessary for xbox, because now I know that its really not no matter what they say, the more options you have the better.That was my main thing with them, all of the mandatory crap, hopefully they learned that options will always be better than mandatory.

Despite that,this is great news,... and another time for the " normal people" to make fun of conspiracy theorist.. funny if a conspiracy theorist said something like a spying program from the NSA exist the amount of clever tin foil hats would be through the roof :)
darthv72  +   914d ago
no longer mandatory but still keep it in the total package.

Id hate for them to relegate it to 2nd class accessory status.

If they are in the mood for changes....the name should be next i guess.
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SilentNegotiator  +   914d ago
If the Kinect fans want to go out and support Kinect, they can do so. But I don't want to spend an extra $100 for Kinect.

Let us vote with our wallets on whether or not Kinect gets support; not by forced inclusion.
vulcanproject  +   914d ago
Well done for making something how it should have been all along. I do find it difficult to give credit because it's bleedin obvious this is how it should have been all along.

One less thing for people to moan about I spose
frostypants  +   914d ago
Yeah devs don't have to support it and I don't have to use it, but I still have to pay for it? **** you, Microsoft.
Man2bFree  +   914d ago | Well said
LMAO!! I don't trust this company at all!!
NewMonday  +   914d ago
I just got way more excited for next gen, becaus now we have a real competion, props to MS, now I'm sure to get an XB1 sometime in the future after the PS4, before it was "never" with the mandatory Kinect.

now the price needs to go down to $350 to reflect the new value and MS need to make big risky investments on new 1st party games to set it apart.

gamer power works
DragonKnight  +   914d ago

Bravo Microsoft. It took you long enough, but now you've finally come full circle and regained your senses.

Excellent move. Kudos Xbox One and its fans.
MRMagoo123  +   914d ago
"Nice to see Microsoft listening to their customers" kinda odd that they are listening to customers when it was said by a lot of ppl on here that it was only the sony fanboys that cared and they wherent getting one anyway, I wanna know which it is

A) It was only the sony fanboys that cared just to troll, which wouldnt make sense why would MS change there console soooooo much for sony trolls or the more likely

B)That ppl in general wherent happy with the xbone and only the xbone fanboys thought it was a good console, which makes more sense becuase then MS may actually care.

MS have a really good track record so far for next gen now lol "the console has to stay online it was built around it there is nothing we can do to change that and it wont change" nows it can stay offline for ever if you want it to

Then "The console was designed around the kinect it cant just function without it and we wont change that" now its able to work without the kinect fullstop.

This flip flopping doesnt fill me with confidence, it makes me think noone at MS knows what they are doing with the xbone at all.

This is not meant to be a troll or fanboy driblle i am just stating what it is.
stage88  +   914d ago
So you still have to pay $100 more even though Kinect is not needed.

The console is a shambles. I literally have no faith in Microsoft or the Xbox brand.
sinjonezp  +   914d ago
Its a simple rhetorical question. If it is not required, why am I required to buy it?
Ritsujun  +   914d ago
fr0sty  +   914d ago
That's the only hurdle holding me back now that they've dropped kinect, price. It's far too expensive for inferior hardware. If MS can hit the $400 (preferably $350) sweet spot, I'll consider jumping on board if the games justify the purchase.

However, I will still have to spend some time mulling over if I want to support the company that tried shoving DRM down all of our throats, but hey, one can never recover from a mistake if not ever given the chance to redeem themselves. However, there is still the stink of MS putting half of X1's features behind a paywall that lingers... As well as all "free" to play games.

There still are a few things about the console I don't like, but I'm not sure at this point that they are enough to keep me from ever buying one. This is the first time since the first Xbox they've had me even consider buying any of their products, so it's a step in the right direction at least.
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user5575708  +   914d ago
wow gamestop might be loaded with used kinects after launch day now
Rhinoceros  +   914d ago
ONCE THEY DO THAT I AM NOT GOING TO BUY AN X1. The point is that everyone has it, so that developers have an incentive to augment games. Conservative gamers are ruining my next gen dreams.
madpuppy  +   914d ago
I have to agree with creatchee, Even though I have no love for MS or the Xbone I think it would be a mistake to have a model without kinect bundled with it. I think it was a mistake for Sony not to have the PS eye bundled with the PS4 as well, I think that the fracturing of the market will damage the camera's (for both consoles) adoption and developers expectation of being able to use the device with their games. I understand the privacy issue, but, having the camera and mike array being disconnected or "turned off" is good enough.
Kryptix  +   914d ago
I'll give them some respect for removing something that made many uncomfortable. The problem is that it's still a mandatory buy for everyone. If they can make a SKU without it, dropping the $100 then it can be close to PS4 sales in the US. This doesn't change much since the competition still has a more powerful console with a cheaper price tag. Microsoft's biggest mistake is not showing anything of the cloud or Kinect 2.0 that makes gamers feel that the $500 is worth it. A video or two would probably make a difference, but Microsoft are really in panic mode, trying to satisfy the consumer but they have a problem showing how a feature is worth paying the $500. Just like if they explained that the DRM would mean cheaper games similar to Steam then that probably would be likable. We'll never know but can't wait till Gamescom, hopefully we'll get our answers on both sides.
Diver  +   914d ago
And now my victory is complete.

Lord Vader only rocks on PS4.
UnHoly_One  +   914d ago

"The part about how we hated the "spying 24/7 on you" was mainly a joke. No one really cared and if you really did care then all you had to do was cover the camera and plug the microphone."

So here we are, after all this "being spied on is the reason I'm not buying an XB1" crap over the past two months, now it's "just a joke".

You guys like to talk about Xbox making 180's, but you insane Sony fanboys are worse than they could ever hope to be.

Honestly after reading the behavior of Sony fans on this site I'm ashamed, literally ASHAMED, to be buying a Sony product at all, because I never want anyone to mistake me for one of you.

Pathetic idiots. I've never seen stupidity to match the Sony fanboys on this site. It's amazing.
Kryptix  +   914d ago
"Honestly after reading the behavior of Sony fans on this site I'm ashamed, literally ASHAMED, to be buying a Sony product at all, because I never want anyone to mistake me for one of you." -UnHoly_One

A true Microsoft fanboy right here. If someone gifted you a PS4, you would rather perform hara-kiri (death of a samurai/suicide) with the power cord. lol For you shall be resurrected as the protector of Microsoft fanboys. Teaching the ways like giving advice to Georgeenoob to make better comments cause he really needs it. lol
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Omegasyde  +   913d ago

If MS makes the SKU without the kinect, they will more than likely split support for the camera among developers (why work on a feature only 50% has or why waste the time).

I definitely foresee a Kinect free bundle coming at 400$ in the not so distant future. Ironically, day 1 xbox1 owners will get screwed for being early adopters. Then these early adopters feeling some "buyers" remorse will try and justify themselves by stating they actually use the camera all the time or have a limited edition xbox1. Atleast early PS3 adopters had the cheapest blu-ray player and backwards compatibility.

This has to be sloppiest console launch ever.
minimur12  +   913d ago
this is just embarasssing.

It's gettingto a point were its just effing ridiculous.

TheFanboySlayer  +   913d ago
Sooooo many reversals I swear now the only thing separating the PS4 and xbox one is games and price....gonna be a interesting console war.
Boody-Bandit  +   913d ago

XboxOne should be called xbox720
180 DRM
180 headset
180 indie
180 Kinect"

At the rate things are going with MS I wouldn't be surprised if they keep on tallying 180's. MS is making these changes for a reason, they had to. I will be SHOCKED if a SKU @399 is NOT announced without Kinect included. It wouldn't make sense for them making this move and not using it where it would benefit them most, a cheaper SKU. It most likely will be announced at gamescom next week.
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Red_Devilz  +   913d ago
Now they just need to print a PS logo on XB1. Thats the only thing remaining!

Never in my life I had seen so many 180s. Its like they didn't have any plan to begin with.
pixelsword  +   913d ago

$100 off?
JohnnyBadfinger  +   913d ago
But what about my headset? If i leave that plugged into my controller what reassurance do i have to know it isn't listening to my every word??

That's a obvious joke guys. Like most people I couldn't give a flying fuck whether or not some NSA fuckwit was watching or listening to me. But still I couldn't understand why a console accessory was a "always connect" feature... It's just as easy to crack it out and plug it in when its actually need... Plus less likely to get damaged that way also
BattleAxe  +   913d ago
Its starting to look more and more like Don Mattrick was the person holding the Xbox division back. Imagine how good the Xbox 360 could have been without this guy.
RyuCloudStrife  +   913d ago
This is great news I applaud MS.
tokugawa  +   913d ago
@dedicatedtofanboys. you just cant resist trolling can you? ffs give it a rest. also, could you tell us exactly what is inside the xbo? clock speeds and stuff. because as far as i know, nothing has been officially announced yet

@ battleaxe. i keep thinking the same thing. that most of xbo's decisions came from mattrick. and now that he is gone, they are working on reversing them one at a time.

i think that a price drop is coming at gamescom
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vigilante_man  +   913d ago
Kinnect 2 is now stone cold dead in the water!

What about the millions they must of spent for forthcoming adverts with TV and Kinnect a focal point?

Once they ship XB1 without Kinnect to chase sales from PS4 it will signal the end for Kinnect 2. How much will they have lost in R&D and manufacturing for this thing?
SolidStoner  +   913d ago
180 DRM
180 headset
180 indie
180 kinect

who says it stops right there.. it soon will be called Xbox 72,000,000...
CommonSense  +   913d ago
The ONLY way that would ever happen is if years from now, they realize nobody is developing for it and very few people are using it.

I don't see it every happening.
BuLLDoG909  +   913d ago
MS been scratching their heads while looking at their dreadful preorder numbers compared to ps4.

They didnt change shit for "us", its because of the numbers, thats all. still good news though.
Sugreev2001  +   913d ago
If they announce a Kinect-less SKU,then I might even think about buying an Xbone. I'm still buying the PS4 at launch though.
VENOMACR  +   913d ago
I don't know why everyone says it HAS to be cheaper. It's $100 more, it's not the end of the world. To me, comparing the two and one costing a little more then the other isn't that big of a deal. How many of you will buy a PS4 and no games when it comes out? None of you. You'll buy the system, maybe an extra controller ($50), then at least 2 games ($120), so your total is almost $600 after taxes. So your able to come up with the extra money for all that, yet the $100 extra price tag on the Xbox is outrageous. I'm not a millionaire, I'm not rich, but in the grand scheme of things $100 isnt make or break for me. Hell, I spend $65 every week for gas. I know everyone's financial situation isn't that same, but at the end of the day I don't think they have to lower it to compete. The reputation is already tarnished and lowering the price by $100 won't make them the favorite.

I'll probably just use the Kinect to Skype, thats about it.
The_Con-Sept  +   913d ago
Another epic win for gamers!

Now this is mostly an even battleground for this gen of the console wars. Now we get to see the fanboys glaze over at the lense of truth site.
andrewsqual  +   913d ago
@JhawkFootball06 Because, news just in, people still aren't preordering it. If they listened to their customers then why is Netflix not accessible without Xbox Live Gold this years?
Becasue you already have gold and their console that is why. In this case, nobody has or wants the console yet at this time. But yeah totally listening to their fans.
Tell me how many people asked for a butchered Killer Instinct made by a terrible dev team?
Shadonic  +   913d ago
So your saying you want them to screw themselves over profit wise and to not make anything from sales ?
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pixelsword  +   913d ago
They'll need to do a 3rd unveiling after this.

I do appreciate them making that change; if any of Microsoft's big-wigs are reading here, thank you. I did not like where that console was going in terms of privacy.

At any rate, I kinda called it on how they were going to try to capture the xbox crowd again, I didn't calculate them folding on the kinect though, they were kinda adamant about having it central to their console:
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Razputin  +   913d ago

No clue why you have disagrees, but I believe MS might have done this to release a non Kinect included version of the Xbox One.

It could seem like a really smart plan.
And I don't get people, they bitched about the Kinect being mandatory and now there is an article about it not being mandatory. Seriously are people so miserable and disappointed in their lives that they have to resort to trivial crap like this.
devwan  +   913d ago
Hryb hits back at 180 talk:
abzdine  +   913d ago
PS4 preorders destroyed them and they have no choice if they're hoping to compete.
No matter what changes they do, PS4 will be the console I'm choosing cause it has been designed correct from the beginning!
Virus201  +   914d ago
No no, the complaining will now shift to "why include it?!?". These are the same people that would never have bought it though.
black0o  +   914d ago
guess what at gamesCom next week ms will take the knict out of the box and make the price 400$

and that's 'd their last move to keep up with the unstoppable ps4, funny part is that it won't even help ;)
InTheLab  +   914d ago
Or maybe the people that don't want to pay $100+ for something they'll never use?
DARK WITNESS  +   914d ago | Well said
there are plenty of us who would have bought it and flipped sides because of all this crap.

There are plenty of people who would have gladly bought both systems (like me)... but again because of ms crap, simply decided to stick with just one system instead.

this whole thing about oh the people complaining would never have bought it... considering right now the gap between 360 and ps3 is so close and yet the gap between the xbo and ps4 was so large, that gap had to come from somewhere.

everyone keeps saying that the complainers are only a small group on the internet.. .well if we are that small why would MS be listening to us, and if they are not listening to us then who are they listening to ?

personally I think it's the opposite. it's the people defending ms and the bullcrap it tried to pull off who are in the small group and the majority are in the other camp.
zeal0us  +   914d ago
Yep so MS might as well offer a Xbox One variant without Kinect include for a cheaper price.

For the people who preorder the Xbox One with the Kinect just give them 3 or 6months of XBLG or some credit they could use to buy things on XBL marketplace.
Deadpoolio  +   914d ago
It's still pretty pathetic. It's like a crackhead offering to suck you off for a rock. IF I had any interest in an XBO all these One80s would definitely push me away from their product, It really shows a lack of faith and conviction in their product and that they are so desperate to not have a bad launch they are going to keep saying whatever they need to...Yet there will be idiots who think it's because they are listening lol they don't care they just want to make money and If sucking you off gets people to buy an XBO then that is what they will do
MRMagoo123  +   914d ago
yes virus they changed the whole console , removed DRM removed always online removed the kinect mandatory just for sony fanboys that didnt want the console in the first place, i cant face palm hard enough for your comment.
rainslacker  +   914d ago
If those people wouldn't have brought it either way, why would MS change their policy? They knew that many people didn't want Kinect. Diehard fans of Xbox were saying it in their forums. Regular people were saying it enough to not buy the console. Those things make an impact.

I'm sorry, but a huge decrease in target sales will make them reconsider their policies, as should be plainly obvious by now. It doesn't matter who was doing the complaining, what matters is who wasn't spending the money. In this case, it was those people looking forward to the X1 but couldn't stomach what MS has been doing. In this they made it more attractive to them..prospective buyers.

People keep lamenting how it's all the Sony fan boys who are making the most fuss, but it's become pretty apparent that many former Xbox fans aren't latching onto the system. If that weren't true, MS wouldn't be spinning so much.
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Rhythmattic  +   913d ago

"It doesn't matter who was doing the complaining, what matters is who wasn't spending the money"

Spot On.
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vigilante_man  +   913d ago
Thank You Sony!

If it was not for Sony's stance on DRM and always online and Playstation Eye MS would not of budged an inch!

We do all remember just how arrogant they were a few months ago telling us what was good for us. Now the PS4 is leading in all markets in pre-orders MS are doing everything they can to be just like Sony - never thought I would see the day!

And the PS4 ... is still the PS4.
CommonSense  +   913d ago
Exactly, the most outspoken retards about this console are the sony fanboys that were NEVER going to buy it in the first place.

Obnoxious brats.

"the unstoppable ps4"

Such scumbags on this site. I don't know how you people live with yourselves. If i was a corporate tool, i would have ended it a long time ago in a depressed, pathetic state, laying in my underwear, in a pool of my own excrement.
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Imalwaysright  +   913d ago
So MS is making all these 180s for people that would never buy a X1? Well if that is true i can't possibly buy a device from a company that is this clueless and incompentent even though I know for a fact that their 180s are the reason why their pre-order numbers are increasing. Maybe MS cares more about consumers that have legit complaints, reason why MS is making these 180s, than they care about corporate apologists and fanboys such as yourself.
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devwan  +   913d ago
@ DARK WITNESS "personally I think it's the opposite. it's the people defending ms and the bullcrap it tried to pull off who are in the small group and the majority are in the other camp."

Truer words have never been spoken. Well, typed.

@deadpoolio "It's still pretty pathetic. It's like a crackhead offering to suck you off for a rock. "

I'm going to send you the bill for cleaning my monitor and keyboard, it's now full of coffee.
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zeal0us  +   914d ago
What does League of Legends have to do with this?
SlyFoxC  +   914d ago
@ zeal0us EVERYTHING!
Sitdown  +   914d ago
Ahhh man, one less argument to use for why I was not going to purchase a system I was never going to purchase anyway. Time to default to my excuse of not trusting a company that does a 180. Seriously though, this is good news to silent even more critics..
M-M  +   914d ago
This is very good news, the fanboy war should be getting very interesting now lol.
kneon  +   914d ago
Don't let the multiple 180's influence your trust in Microsoft because if this is true then they will have done two 180's, which means they've done a 360 and are right back where they started ;)
karl  +   914d ago
im sorry but how is this good news?

this only keeps proving the console could be way more open to our particular needs and not theirs..

MS has said in the past that the xone cannot work without DRM .... without kinect and without being online all the fucking time..

and they have come out and said that it will do all this things over and over again...

soo now u all know it was all a lie... and the only reason they are going back and following ps4 is cuz they are realizing noone will buy it
webeblazing  +   914d ago
i dont understand y they had to do it in the first place it mad xbone more unique. the was better off dropping the pay to play online. i feel only thing they needed to change was the drm. but you kinda figure its ms so the know if you can get the product and more people hand than the competition the masses will follow i wish luck cause the are listening
Deadpoolio  +   914d ago
It does honestly show that they have a lack of faith in their product, you don't ever see any company do this many backtracks on any product....It's like a crackhead looking for a rock...Next week they'll be offering to suck people off if they buy their product
Sitdown  +   914d ago

Is it possible that in the xbox one's previous states that all those things were indeed true, but things continue to be modified in order to allow the new changes. Why is it positive....Hmmmm, maybe because people no longer have to worry about Microsoft listening? No concerns of what happens if the camera breaks. The problem I have with post like yours is that this is the nature of the gaming industry as a whole.....Nintendo tricked people with the wiimote plus. Sony told us with the six axis that we did not need rumble, then after launch added it once the law suit was settled They marketed the other os feature only to turn around and remove it. Microsoft is not following the ps4,they are following what people want to continue from previous generations. Most of the time you get what you desire, it can be seen as a positive.....but for you its not..... Not surprised, since you are of the mindset of them following the ps4.
karl  +   914d ago

sorry m8 but u comparing the sixaxis and the wiimote plus with MS always online system mandatory kinect and DRM just takes all your credibility away..

u didnt see ppl rise up agains sony or nintendo for those things for the soooo obvious reason that its not such a big deal..

the xbox one was a potential threat to ps4 gamers aswell... if they succeeded it was more than just a possibility that all those things would end up as standard in all other consoles..

the same way that sony started charging for MP with PSN plus...

i just dont think they should be left off the hook soo easily

and again.. about your problem with my post and how the nature of the gaming industry is...

its just about making money... i know that.

but being ripped off just seems silly to me..

and MS is only milking all their costumers..

how is it that all this guys let this happen for soo many years? and it took DRM to make ppl kinda stop supporting this company

and when i see someone defend it its just soo weird to me.. cuz this guys only want to milk as much money as possible outta your pockets..

and yes my posts are biased agsint MS.. but not cuz im a sony fanboys .. its their own doing and my consciousness as a consumer that made me look down on them
rainslacker  +   914d ago
Hey now, never underestimate the resourcefulness of a fan boy to find a reason not to buy a system not of their choosing.

I was always kind of indifferent to the Kinect myself. Didn't really want one, but never played into the conspiracy theories.

I really don't know what to think of MS right now. It's good they are trying to make the best of the X1 by giving consumers what they want. Yes it's for selfish gains, but it's what we want, so it's a two way street. Other companies work this way too, they just usually figure all that out before showing their product to the consumers.

Since their reveal they've been in shambles in PR and marketing, with the only real good thing they've shown being enticing launch titles. They've been trying to be more positive, and show that they are listening. Whether that listening is to us directly, or by watching pre-order numbers doesn't matter. The two things are intrinsically linked.

I said elsewhere that it's good MS isn't as blind as some of their fan boys are on here. If they were, they would be dead on arrival. No amount of rationalizing could overcome reality, and the reality for a while was that a vast number of people were turned off by MS. That's slowly turning around, and for the time being we'll have to wait and see how all these changes affect people final perceptions later on. Until then it's just speculation.

Otherwise, MS is one corporation I really wouldn't trust overall, even before all the X1 stuff, but I don't think they are as evil as some people make them out to be.
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Sitdown  +   914d ago

"the xbox one was a potential threat to ps4 gamers aswell... if they succeeded it was more than just a possibility that all those things would end up as standard in all other consoles.. "

That is my point, one company is not necessarily better than the other, and if given the opportunity would take advantage of the situation. You can dismiss my six axis and wiimote comment, but what about the rootkit fiasco? Not only has Sony gone the dry route in the past, but it did so without consumers permission and left their computers vulnerable. There is your uproar stamped with a lawsuit. My comments are not necessarily in defense of Microsoft policy, but in defense of them being made the single enemy, as if they are all not just as greedy and ready to bounce.
karl  +   913d ago
and i totally agree with u

but the masses only react to the most outrageous of actions from this companies..

it would have to severely affect ppl for them to wake up..

and i just do not think none of the other companies have taken that kind of decisions ..

but what MS has done does fit into that category

all this companies.. they may not give a damn about us but they still need us and need to satisfied us aswell..

and soo u enter into a fine line between pissin´ off gamers and getting as much money from them as possible ..

now MS could have goo maybe one step into that line with just DRM but they also added mandatory kinect always online and thats just going way to far

not even most fanboys could take that and defend the company

but then i cant help but complain when i see ppl trying to forget about this... and let it be part of the past and just take the NEW MS that wants to make gamers its friends

c mon guys this was months ago... if u really can forget all that in months

then u r Fing doom

and i do not denied that SONY likes money just as much as MS... but they know how to please their costumers and how to make profit at the same time.

i dont know what else to say... i think its too soon to let a company get away with this..
CommonSense  +   913d ago
@ M-M

it's never been interesting. fanboys are idiots whose opinions mean absolutely nothing except to other idiot fanboys.
Thegamer41  +   914d ago
The Kinect is still sold with the console and still has to be connected, this news is just about turning it off from the settings.
Still good news for the people that where paranoid from being spied on I guess.
SilentGuard  +   914d ago
the article explicitly said it can be unplugged and the console will still function.
Virus201  +   914d ago
Did you read the article?

This is his entire statement;
Xbox One is designed to work with Kinect plugged in. It makes gaming better in many ways – from the ability to say “Xbox On” and get right to your personalized homescreen, to the ability to control your TV through voice, Smartglass and more. Kinect allows you to search for your content, instantly move between games and your personalized dash and more with just your voice. Kinect helps you pick up and play by automatically knowing which controller you have in your hands. No more need to interrupt your friends game or navigate through multiple UI screens to sign in and tell the system which controller you are holding. It will even bind the controller to the console if its currently unbound – no searching for special buttons! Of course – these are just a few of the system wide benefits of having Kinect. Games use Kinect in a variety of amazing ways from adding voice to control your squad mates to adding lean and other simple controls beyond the controller to full immersive gameplay. ***That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor.***
corvusmd  +   913d ago
You clearly didn't read this at flat out says you can disconnect it if you want...this is the kind of stuff that PS fanboys do to talk trash about XB1...they don't actually get the facts, just hear what they want then argue that...the ability to turn it off was OLD OLD news
Maddens Raiders  +   914d ago
Ok so MS flat out lied when they stated it [Kinect 2.0] was required to play the bone. They were trying to justify a huge volumetric money grab. Now the $500 price tag for something you don't /need/ seems a bit of a problem w/o a new sku, to those with half a brain, so I'm sure that will be coming soon.

Also this makes one wonder what other practices that MS was trying to shoehorn down gamers throats weren't necessarily /necessary/ at all?

This is really good news for those interested in the bone, but like I said the other day - instead of MS using the beginning of the "work week" to talk about games and features of the bone that set it apart, they are yet again reversing course and made to look like this machine or console endeavor in toto, was NOT very well planned at all.
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creatchee  +   914d ago
Stop. Just. Stop. They changed the requirement. They didn't lie.
slimeybrainboy  +   914d ago
A few weeks back I said 'Don't be suprised to see MS magically find a way to make an XB1 w/o Kinect if they see the PS4 taking a lead against them in the US market.'

This is exactly what they'll do. Mark my goddamn words. They know that there are Day Oners garunteed to sell ou their console throughout the launch window. These people will all get the Kinect bundle. Then Miraculous, MS will find a new philosophy 6 months down the line to have a SKU without Kinect, priced at maximum $400, maybe $350. Then they have offer the same value as Sony, get alot of Kinects out there as showcases for late adopters, and keep the perception of a very high Kinect adoption rate amongst developers and consumers.

Garunteed. And it will be considered smart business once again from MS, not so ethical to conveniently make these miraculous discoveries when it suits them.
4Sh0w  +   914d ago
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy with you, the console will not navigate as design and many of its functions are cut off without Kinect, that means all you can do basicly play games. If that is working OK, but its not working how they intended. Why split hairs when you know very well people complained it can't be turned off, theyve now clarified it can. Its included so that the install base isnt split so devs can support it more than random add on support.
buynit  +   914d ago
Omg! A lot of you are just out of control!

Kinect is a big part of the experience ms is trying to do, just like wiiu has the tab thats what nintendo wants you to experience. Sony wants you to experience a slightly more powerful console with a touch pad on the controller.

Stop trying to make xb1 a ps4.. If you cant afford the extra $100 then dont buy it or wait until the price drop.
_-EDMIX-_  +   914d ago | Well said
LOL! Yes people...another day...another 180.

MS did indeed lie about how much Kinect was needed. To say the system can't work is just damn silly. OH STAND BACK...NOW IT CAN WORK WITHOUT IT OMG! much confidence does one have with anything MS says at this point? How much is Live needed for Netflix? Or Live for game recording? Or Forza 5's "drivatars"? It just makes everything they say sound like a huge lie piled on top of other lies.

I'm waiting to hear the HDD can't be swapped too. A lot of "can't be done" is turning out to be "oh yeah we sorta can now that we are getting beat by PS4 pre-orders world wide".

Kinect is required? ...are we sure cause sounds like a classic "MS LIE" waiting to be revealed...and here we are LOL!

Tell me MS....what else isn't required to work this thing? They have single handedly hurt a lot of trust in them to produce a damn product. Everything with them seems to be some sort of catch with a bunch of strings attached.

Remember when they said the Bluray drive can't be used to play games but only to install them? Funny how a lot of "can'ts" turn out to be can's, by technical design or by greed? Just saying, this isn't they "can't" do it...its that they clearly don't want to. Something to think about with this company.
XboxFun  +   914d ago
Lies all lies I tell you!!! How in the world could they say one thing and then later on it works the other!! What is this MAGIC??

That must be it, MS used the magic of technology to make a system work without the Kinect.

They blended potions and tail of newt to program magical numbers to make sure Kinect isn't needed to turn on the Xbox One.
corvusmd  +   913d ago
...or they changed it...not necessarily lied.
ginsunuva  +   913d ago
Remember, they can't just flip a switch and.... oh wait.
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fermcr  +   914d ago
Kinect 2.0 can the "best" thing ever, but most gamers had a bad experience with Kinect 1.0 and simple don't want Kinect 2.0. They just have to release a X1 without Kinect and not force Kinect 2.0 on every X1. If they are smart, the X1 without Kinect will be present that at Gamescom.

If Microsoft wants a chance at next gen, they need a X1 at the same price as the PS4.
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sycnation  +   914d ago
called it
now we wait til after the fruitless cod multi reveal for the MS mouth pieces to start asking if this SKU u is wanted (it is; id gt my kids one sans kinect)
PSVita  +   914d ago

Don't get me wrong this is great but wtf!? They changed every single policy that made the Xbox one the Xbox one. I guess they still have the HDMI IN and everything but this is one of the biggest things that set it apart.

Anyways great news they're doing a great job evening the playing field. Now demand rechargable batteries people.
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EvilDragonX  +   914d ago
Grant i never planned on buying an XBone. I at least had a bit of respect for MS trying to do their own things. Of course I never agreed with what they were trying to do but they seemed at first they were going to try and stand by their product. But now after all these changes this has just become sad, they have no spine left.
sigfredod  +   913d ago
SHHHHH don´t spoil the next 180, in built rechargable batterys on the controls lol
Aceman18  +   914d ago
you know with all these 180s happening i'm actually waiting for the planet for reverse its rotation.

if they were to get more interesting exclusive in the vein of Quantum Break maybe, just maybe i would think about spending my hard earned $$$$ on this system. as of now even with this 180 i'm still not buying the system.
SDS Gamerfiend  +   914d ago
We have spoken! I will no longer be selling my day one edition xbox one! Trolls carry on!
whothedog  +   914d ago
I don't comment much, but I am glad to see this as someone pointed out that if the Kinect broke, the X1 wouldn't work as well, which doesn't make sense.
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showtimefolks  +   914d ago
this is what bothers me, on one hand they and their fanbase/faboys say xbox one is true nexty gen and trying to do innovative things than they keep trying to be like ps4/sony and taking most of their so called features back

you believe in cloud gaming than go for it, yes early on people may not like it but prove to those its the future

always online same thing, prove to people the feature is worth it

but knowing MS they will take back everything and we are looking at 2 of the same consoles doing the same things, with same pros and cons

but one is $100 cheaper

ok so you hear it here first, next you don't need xblive to record/upload videos

since that's one more feature sony is offering for free

what about cross game chat MS? sony is giving that free to think you can match that too please?

not sure if i should be happy or sad that a company is giving up on their vision this early
JunioRS101  +   914d ago
If they would just sell an Xbox One without Kinect I would honestly become very interested,

but I think that is unlikely with how much they've endorsed and invested in it.
TomShoe  +   914d ago
Good. Still not buying it though :D
MysticStrummer  +   914d ago
I continue to be amazed by MS's changing of it's stated One policies since the reveal. I'm not sure any other company of such size has ever done this much reversing in so short a time.
MWong  +   914d ago
And this many decisions, in such a short time. Soon we will see a reversal of their reveal. They really should change the console name to the XB720 like Shaaunyb suggested.
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Feldman9000  +   914d ago
this is now interesting.
Shaaunyb  +   914d ago
black0o + 1h ago
XboxOne should be called xbox720
180 DRM
180 headset
180 indie
180 kinect

Forgot the 180 Used Games
Campy da Camper  +   914d ago
Never about the NSA for me rather creepy IT guys at MS or criminal hackers using WiFi to case my pad. This is great news. I'm gonna get one now.
Ausbo  +   914d ago
Now everyone can shut up about the damn NSA watching us
BOLO  +   913d ago
NSA doesn't need the Kinect to watch us...It just would've been a conduit.
Zeref  +   914d ago
So that is one more flame-material down the drain.

Ever since that douchebag don mattrick left. Xbox One has only been going uphill.
thetruthx1  +   914d ago
Even though I like the thought of Kinect I love this news simply because more people can enjoy the Xbox One AND...........

This makes those dumb spy and NSA jokes/criticisms useless :D
NeutralXP  +   913d ago
Stfu tool
Simon_Brezhnev  +   913d ago
Well they still shouldnt had tried this in the first place. Nobody can trust a company like this when they tried to rape you.
Syntax-Error  +   913d ago
Instead they should've found a way to build it in the system
Leviathan  +   913d ago
@4"show" You are a derelict ignoramus if you dont think for one minute this "kinekt" shipt cant be used to spy on you. In fact, one of Snowdens future news pieces is exactly about how the gov. uses gaming consoles to track comunications. EVERY camera out there connected to the internet is used to spy on people. You may call it a "tinfoil" hat, I call it knowledge of REALITY. If you dont care about your privacy, that is your issue. However for the rest of us, WE GIVE A SHIP. Go not care somewhere else.
StoutBEER  +   913d ago
Leviathan didnt understand the article.
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StoutBEER  +   913d ago
I have to say i am actually PROUD of n4g users today. Barely any hate on X1 for this decision. Most are saying positive things about this change. I was expecting completely different to be honest.
Mrgolden79  +   913d ago
Yup, but see the comment directly below. The only negative I am seeing is from xbox defenders.
DiRtY  +   913d ago
For those criticising MS: You guys are ridiculous.

The only reason you guys don't like this is because the Xbox One offers less to criticise it for.

We are still months away from release and 2 major gaming conventions are still coming up.

We went from:




NO INDIES, SCREW THEM!!! (Every Xbox One is a SDK)


KINECT SPIES ON ME!!! (News of today)


Well... it comes with a power brick and the controller uses batteries.

As I said MS could cure cancer and you N4G would hate on them for all those doctors losing their job.
Consoldtobots  +   913d ago
"Honestly after reading the behavior of Sony fans on this site I'm ashamed, literally ASHAMED, to be buying a Sony product at all, because I never want anyone to mistake me for one of you. "

holy crap i knew the butthurt is widespread but i had no idea how deep it runs, the new MS boogeyman loooks like Mark Cerny
RedHawkX  +   913d ago
oh thats so cute of ms but now they need to take kinect off the xbox one and lower the price to 349.99 and lower xbox live price by 10 dollars and give you free games with xbl subscription and discounts. they need to also remove the paywall on all apps like netflix and free to play games.
JsonHenry  +   913d ago
Yes, pacostacos. Because the NSA isn't caught in a new scandal every single day. And Microsoft wasn't caught willingly participating in Prism or Xkeyscore. Yes, those tinfoil has were unwarranted.. /sarcasm.

You're being spied on regardless of whether it is through key clicks or MS's Kinect. Don't be so niave please. There is a reason that government agents are being polygraph tested bi-monthly in some cases to be sure they are not leaking more of this info to the press. Its because they have many more scenarios and illegal domestic spy programs they don't want revealed.

ON TOPIC- Glad that MS is listening to their fanbase. This was the thing I needed to hear from MS. I just pre-ordered an X1 to compliment my PS4. Which is nice because for a while there I wasn't planning on getting one. Ever.
TAURUS-555  +   913d ago
HAHAHA MS have no clue, there completely lost.
AKS  +   913d ago

Tin foil hats? NSA spying isn't a made up conspiracy theory.
TBONEJF  +   913d ago
M$ should sell the kinect separately so it won't cost the XBOX ONE SO MUCH damn money. like PS4 did with their EYE TOY selling it separately with out bundle the camera in their console
Flames76  +   913d ago
You seem slow
sigfredod  +   913d ago
Wow Xboxone has become a comedy, every day the product seems completely different form the one anounced, every day they just want to be more like the PS4, the amount of reversals so far is incredible, and what about their stament that the buil the xboxone from the ground with kinect on mind and for that reason hast to be always conected to work?, So ultimately the console was not designed with mandatory Kinect and 24h online checks in mind. Those restrictions were implemented because MS thought their customers will be good sheep and forgive MS's hubris. Never have I seen such a lack of vision for a new console releasing in 3 months
nosferatuzodd  +   913d ago
Microsoft isn't it evil to live backwards get
Evil live backwards 359 degrees backwards
Get it Xbox 359-360=1 backward now all you're great ideas you're reverse engineering everything lol sad
3-4-5  +   913d ago
* This should have been their ONLY message about Kinect from Day ONE!

This is why they don't " Get" it. All they had to do is tell us stuff like this during their presentation, but no they focus on trying to sell us stuff instead of trying to inform us of their product.

Wrong people running an otherwise potentially great company.

Microsoft does a lot of good, but they do so many stupid things as well they you can't deny they are out of touch with what people really want.

Hopefully they are realizing they aren't as smart as they thought they were.
Aleithian  +   913d ago

The ignorance demonstrated by your comment is impressive. I actually feel nauseous at the thought that you can be so stupid.
Mr_Pinky  +   914d ago
If true then just give us a bundle where we won't have to buy Kinect.

Since they never said this from the start and always said it needed Kinect for the console to work I'm guessing it's another backtrack, guess this is what the "unfair", "hateful", "unnecessary" backlash got us. Not so silly now is it guys

This is why it's good to complain


Really...disagrees for what?
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Dlacy13g  +   914d ago
I agree its great people can "unplug" that were freaked out over it spying on them but 100% disagree about the notion of making a sku with out it. I want 100% of the consoles to come with it so the devs know 100% of the consumer base has it.

edit: @silentguard from a development point of view if you know 100% of your consumer base has a controller at their use...whether in a closet or connected... you will be inclined to make an experience that is actually good and not some tacked on experience. Its the difference between making something gimmicky vs making something worthwhile.

@Mr_Pinky what I like hearing from Whitten was "IF" a game had mandatory "kinect" then the game would prompt you to turn it on. A game like Halo 5 I am pretty confident wont be "mandatory" kinect...but either way you would have it should you need it.
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Mr_Pinky  +   914d ago
But then your forcing people to use it when the whole point of this is so you don't have to use it.

If I'm playing Halo 5 and it requires Kinect despite it being un plugged in a box some where would I really need to get it out to experience Halo 5. I wouldn't want that, I would just want devs to cover over the Kinect parts with normal controller methods, basicaly what they would do if Kinect was never there in the first place. Your not taking any Kinect experience away from anyone then because if you did have it then the game would then use Kinect since it knows it's plugged in

It's not going to make such a big difference to games so devs aren't loosing out on anything all Microsoft is doing is splitting the fans already on those who like it and those who don't.


Exactly, I don't see why people aren't seeing that.
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SilentGuard  +   914d ago
so what if 100% of consumer base has it, that doesn't mean 100% of consumer base is going to be interested in using it or any games that require it.
Fireseed  +   914d ago

It matters because if 100% of people have it, devs can guarantee that they will get the fullest support they could possibly garner from the user base for their game. And on the topic of whether not 100% of the people want to use it? Well who the hell cares about those people? I don't see fighting game devs putting in mechanics to draw in the FPS crowd, if you're not interested in it don't buy it. You're not gonna to prevent developers from making games they want in the first place. Simple enough concept to grasp right?
rainslacker  +   914d ago
For a developer, they will only care about active install base. They are privy to those numbers. Just because the Kinect was available, doesn't mean people would necessarily use it for games. Forcing it does nothing to garner development support.

If they wanted 100% Kinect support, they wouldn't be included a traditional control pad. Take the Wii for example. If a traditional controller had been included, most games would have been designed around that. Even today, the best hardcore games still use the Wii's traditional type controller(forget what they called it).

A Kinect focused game would still only sell to those that actually liked and used Kinect to play games, which this gen has shown isn't that much after the initial novelty wears off.

In the old mandatory scenario, the fan base is still as fractured, although more likely to adopt it.

In the new scenario, with it included in the box still, it's much the same way. Compelling software may cause people to buy it and use it, and at the same time possibly plug in the Kinect if they hadn't prior.

It's much different than the add-on scenario of the Kinect 1.0, where the fan base is fractured and it being a secondary accessory where only about 1/4 of the install base has one. Still that's 20 million people with Kinect. If the Kinect couldn't get decent support with 20 million people wanting games for it, then why do you fathom it would get it under the other two scenarios?

Here's the answer...Motion control gaming just isn't that popular after the novelty wears off. Edonus will come in here and and raise hell over this statement, but the fad has long passed. It's a niche market. It fell off quickly due to poor implementation and support. Kinect 2.0 appears more capable, but it's still just flailing around in front of your TV that kills immersion and isn't suitable for any long term gaming sessions. Motion control in it's current and next gen form is still a gimmick. Just like Motion control has been for this whole generation.

All those other features touted for the Kinect were superfluous to the functions it provided. It's a novelty that soon wears off. If you think otherwise, ask anyone who's brought a Samsung TV with similar features.

I hate to tell you and any Xbox fan boy on here this, but you are in love with something you have mocked all this gen. Motion controls by any other name and all that. Look back and ask yourself at what point you just had to have Kinect 1.0 for your hardcore gaming fix. Then ask yourself why you think Kinect 2.0 will be any different.
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Dlacy13g  +   913d ago
@rainslacker you make a long winded post that while you feel you makes your point doesn't. Developers will use tools and control options if they are their to be used and even more so if they know every user can access it and it makes sense to do. Good games will rise to the top. While you can only see it as "flailing" of arms thankfully developers are more creative and understand that kinect 2.0 is far more than just a motion control device. This is the fundamental problem MS has with kinect 1.0 which admittedly did not live up to potential and gamers like you cling to what they know kinect to have been vs what it has become.
rainslacker  +   913d ago
I've been a contract developer primarily writing Kinect 1.0 API's for well over a year now. Mostly for PC use. Flailing was more exagerration, but I can assure you that the Kinect 2.0 is not more than just a motion control device. It IS a motion control device. It does pretty much the same thing as the Kinect 1.0, just more precise.

WiiMote and WiiMotion Plus are a good analogy. more precision does not make it more than a motion control device.

Including it in every box does not insure support. If that were the case, we would see amazing support for the Wii U gamepad. Something that not even Nintendo can really do as a first party.

Will those things come? Sure, someone will make great use of it. Will it redefine gaming? Probably not. Like I said, the fact that the traditional controller is still in the box means that's where a majority of the games we play are going to be implemented at.

You know what I saw at E3? Smatglass. That seemed to be where it was at. Kinect support was woefully absent from their E3 presentation. That should be concerning to those that are actually looking forward to Kinect. Ironically, Nintendo is the only console that has "Smartglass" features with every console. Funny that huh?

Motion control is not new. It was a gimmick to start with. Turned into a fad. Died away. No amount of reasoning can make the Kinect into something it is not...and that's a motion control input device...with a microphone and a heartbeat monitor.

You say the original Kinect didn't live up to it's potential. Why do you believe that is? It had a 20 million unit install base. And more importantly, why are you so willing to jump on the Kinect bandwagon just because MS says so?
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Dlacy13g  +   913d ago
@rainslacker if you truly are a contract developer that has been working with kinect 1.0 then you of all people would see where its potential lay and where 1.0 clealry had short comings. I would think you of all people would have a better grasp on what kinect 2.0 would be improving upon beyond motion. And lets be upfront here...if you are a developer why would spend anytime in N4G comments when there are far better forums for developers like NeoGaf? Something just doesn't seem to fit.
admiralvic  +   914d ago
Would be nice, but it might be better to keep it as is.

People with the current bundles will probably cancel / it will become a headache if you want it for less, but also want it on day 1. It will also bring into question if it will have a day 1 bundle (not saying people care, but who wouldn't want a special edition for buying it on day 1?) and so forth. Plus having it come with all systems will ensure it has more chances to be useful.
PSVita  +   914d ago
I think it's so that if the PS4s doing much better than the Xbox they'll release a SKU without the Kinect.
Sitdown  +   914d ago
Disagrees because people want kinect to stay included......that way it is the lowest common denominator. Some just need to realize that if kinect is that big of an issue, then this system might just not be for you.....this is one thing that helps to separate it from the competition. I never purchased the original kinect, so I look forward to the opportunity.
InTheLab  +   914d ago
Guess there's a ton of Kinect Rivals fans out there.

A sku without Kinect or an Xbox One that's cheaper or equal to the PS4 would be good news for gamers.

The diehards are just pissy about the backtracking...
Deadpoolio  +   914d ago
Anyone with half a brain should be leery of these One80s....It shows that they don't really have faith in their product and lack conviction.You NEVER see any other company completely go back on everything like MS has..It looks weak and something that consumers who don't like the taste of micro shaft should actually wonder about

It's kind of pathetic at this point it's almost like a crackhead who offers to suck someone off for a rock....They'll say and do anything knowing that the PS4 is dominating the XBO in pre-orders. Next week are they going to finally start offering to give out blowjobs with the XBO..
vigilante_man  +   913d ago

Well they do seem a bit toothless of late so a BJ may actually be something they are good at!
iamnsuperman  +   914d ago
Didn't they say at E3 the device can be turned off. I may be wrong but I swear that did happen. So this isn't really news

Also that title is a bit misleading as it is in a way but it can be turned off (something that was aid at E3)
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badkolo  +   914d ago
correct this is old news
Dlacy13g  +   914d ago
they did say it can be turned off but this is the first time they have noted that you can actually unplug the device and the console would still function. Previously they made it sound like the kinect even if turned off had to be plugged in for the console to work.
iamnsuperman  +   914d ago
Okay I see. I just put two and two together when they said it can be turned off at E3. It is logical
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pyramidshead  +   914d ago
Holy...christ xD
Does this mean they'll be a kinectless sku?
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user7402931  +   914d ago
hell no XD
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pyramidshead  +   914d ago
They should! they'd get a lot more buyers :P. Myself included, down the road anyway.

edit: mm dem disagrees on that first post.
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No_Limit  +   914d ago
Hope not, I don't want a X360 3.5 I want a complete experience and Kinect 2.0 is what separating it from the PS4 offering. Not having it required to connect to the system is one thing but it should be included so the accessory can be used to its full potential.
Pancit_Canton  +   914d ago
I just realized something. Microsoft could be sue for a lot of things by misleading the public and false advertisement. Microsoft just got disKINECTED.
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PSVita  +   914d ago
Can't sue if they haven't actually bought something.
Pancit_Canton  +   914d ago

Apparently, you don't know the American court system works. For those that pre-ordered at either best buy or gamestop that requires a money down (pledging that you are committing buy the system upon it's release)and expecting to get all the features they advertise during Microsoft convention or E3. It's a plain and simple false advertisement and misleading the public on all of it's features they announced during the convention
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galgatronth  +   914d ago
Yeah, just try and sue Microsoft, a multi-billion dollar company with hundreds of lawyers. See what happens.
CoLD FiRE  +   914d ago
That's not true. They've always had a disclaimer stating that specs/policies were not final and suspect to change before launch.
bub16  +   913d ago
Did you even read article lol
Starbucks_Fan  +   914d ago
I really wish they would sell just the system without the kinect for 400. Then I'd probably buy it.
IcicleTrepan  +   914d ago
I am glad they are including it, however they had said the Kinect costs about the same price as the Xbox One itself. so if they removed it, the price would probably come down more than just $100.

Just theorizing here, but let's just say all the above is true and if they did remove kinect.. if the One happened to be $300 against the $400 PS4, what would people say then?
Campy da Camper  +   914d ago
I'd say I would own both consoles. I'm getting ps4 no matter what because Sony 1st party has proven to me their games are phenomenal. Without having to deal with a damn motion reader would make me buy a xboxone because I can now own another console that plays games. With a controller. Without a damn heart rate reader.
Drasill  +   914d ago
When did they say it was mandatory to begin with?
Loki86  +   914d ago
This, they said it would be required to use certain features, but never that it wouldn't work if it unplugged. That was a rumor started on gaf.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   914d ago

From the article:

"After a Microsoft-hosted London event around the Xbox One reveal, Xbox's UK marketing director Harvey Eagle has said that the console will not function without Kinect connected."

This seems to be no longer the case, but it was true.
PSVita  +   914d ago
No It was a fact that it wouldn't work without it.
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Skate-AK  +   914d ago
"As it stands, Kinect must be connected to the Xbox One for it to work. When offline it listens for the "Xbox on" voice command, which activates the console."
badz149  +   914d ago

they did! don't even try to imply that they didn't. with the Xbone, any 180 is possible!

and people who think the Xbone couldn't have worked without the Kinect to begin with are delusional! aside from cameras, I can't think of a single thing that was designed to not work without a camera!
Prcko  +   914d ago
xbone is getting better and better
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That_Ninja_Gray_Fox  +   914d ago
Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about motion control and video cameras when I play games? Can I just have better games and a controller to play them on? I'm sorry but this whole "Its the future" and conrtol your games like Minority Report is really lame.
IcicleTrepan  +   914d ago
I gave you an agree even though I personally am interested in trying it out. I don't think the average person cares about it, but it is possible that if it is as good as they say it is, and they keep supporting it and diff companies keep trying new things, it could end up being worth it in the end.

Maybe it's a bit of a risk to include it in the box but I think it could very well pay off for the people that want to try something new.
Medusa  +   914d ago
It just gets better and better, keep it rolling!
maximus1985  +   914d ago
its about time. also yes keep trolling indeed, those trolls that actually speak up against microsoft is whats making xbox better. now if they could just lower the price
ginsunuva  +   913d ago
Let's ask for a million dollars next!
Dan_scruggs  +   914d ago
YAY. Another totally NOT news day. Considering that Microsoft has been saying that the Kinect wasn't mandatory from the beginning.

I'm hope that one day the majority of people will start paying attention to the news they read.
ceedubya9  +   914d ago
I don't remember them ever confirming that the console could work without Kinect being plugged in. They did say it could be turned off, but this is the first I remember any type of confirmation that the device wouldn't need to be connected to the console. Of course, I could have just missed that confirmation somewhere.
kneon  +   914d ago
This is the first time they have said you can unplug it, previously they had only said that you could turn it off.
Dan_scruggs  +   914d ago
Explain the difference to me between something being unplugged (or in layman's terms... off) and being plugged in and turned off (also in layman's terms... off).

Either way power is not going into the Kenect and the Xboxone would continue to function. Correct?

Or does off not mean off where you come from.
kneon  +   914d ago
As the device itself has no physical off switch it means that should someone hack in to your machine they can potentially turn on Kinect without you knowing about it if it's still plugged in.

Personally I find such concerns to be rather paranoid yet still it bothered many people.
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Dan_scruggs  +   914d ago

Now I may be mistaken but It looks to me like this article is about 2 month old for those who aren't paying attention.
rainslacker  +   914d ago
Why would they have to release an official statement to discredit what was never said in the first place. Having to have something plugged in makes it mandatory, regardless of it's on/off state.

They stated quite clearly that the Kinect was required to be plugged in for the console to work.

They later said they would give the option to turn it "off" when the system was off. This was through software, and not a physical kill switch...which to me would be preferable to unplugging the whole thing, but whatever.

Now they are stating that the Xbox One can work without the Kinect plugged in. No reason to clarify that in the way they did if it were never mandatory. Even if they were, why would they bother to go into, "we're listening to the consumers" since your the only one I've seen who was confused on whether the Kinect was required to be plugged in.
KonsoruMasuta  +   913d ago
It's different. Before the Kinect has to be plugged in. You could turn it off, but it had to be plugged in.

Now you don't' have to hook it up to the console at all. It is no longer required for it to be plugged in.
SilentGuard  +   914d ago
Now I can buy an Xbox One.
Insomnia_84  +   914d ago
I think they will make you keep that thing plugged one way or another, like having certain things in games that can only be done with Kinect, that way you will have no choice but keep the thing plugged.

I'm not convinced yet Microsoft! Give me an sku without the camara and you got my money! This sounds more like a trap!
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SilentGuard  +   914d ago
After reading the update you might be right. Sounds like if they put a little Kinect functionality in every game you would still need it plugged in; just not for watching movies. Technically you don't need it, but in practice you do. Sort of like doesn't need to be always online, just every 24 hours.
LOL_WUT  +   914d ago
Same here but I still hope they decide to release one without kinect I plan on supporting all 3 consoles again ;)
sAVAge_bEaST  +   914d ago
yea, it definitely opens up the realm of possibility to owning both consoles,.. I am going to wait a year at least though on the x1, just to see how things play out.
Campy da Camper  +   914d ago
Bubbles savage for being like minded. If they truly release the unit and you can play games with not having to hook it up then I will buy it. And for all the people calling me tinfoil hat campy I could care less about the alphabet agencies spying on me. They can do it thru my phone. I care about pervy tech guys at ms and criminals hacking my kinect to see if my apt is empty. I've been robbed before. I've also had a ass neighbor hack my WiFi and I use a 14 character password. It can be done. I buy consoles to game. Using a controller. Period. Give me that and you get my money.
XboxFun  +   914d ago
So you don't have to plug it in for the One to work. Hmmm, that's good I guess. I am still glad that it comes with the Xbox as it should. Because I personally want the full experience of the Xbox One.

I really want to try this improved version of Kinect out the box and not have to pay a separate price.

But what will happen to the NSA that some folks on here were so deadest on? Does this mean there will be no spying of you on the couch playing Titanfall or Dead Rising 3? How now will the government use that important information to fight the terrorist?

Check off one more lame excuse for the other camp.
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ceedubya9  +   914d ago
Good. I'll probably always keep mine plugged in, but for people that didn't even want to be bothered with Kinect (people that genuinely had an interest in the One but were reluctant due to Kinect), now they can set the device in a corner somewhere until they actually need it.
Campy da Camper  +   914d ago
That would be me. Now I have to save up another bundle of Benjamin's Damnit.
Pancit_Canton  +   914d ago
Next thing you know the Xbone can now play PS4 games. lol

Xbone is trying so hard to be the PS4. Microsoft are trying to kill the uniqueness of Xbone that separate the two console apart besides the CPU and RAM. Microsoft just can't handle the competition and just want to play dirty like they always do last gen.

I do believed that Microsoft are shooting themselves in the head. Hardware is one thing, but software wise. Sony has always have the advantage over Microsoft when it comes to exclusive.
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ceedubya9  +   914d ago
What is so dirty about it? They have been marking off a list of consumer complaints that a lot of people have had since they announced the console. What is wrong with that?
DigitalRaptor  +   914d ago
This is good news, but damn.. how many backflips does that make now?

A company that is required to do THIS much backtracking in regards to its focus, it's crappy policies, it's attitude towards developers and its attitude towards consumers - all in the space of 4 months - really deserves be questioned to no end. I mean you have to question that or you're really not being a smart consumer/gamer. And by questioned I mean, everything they do put under a microscope, cause if their console was designed with all this idiocy in mind, what else are they hiding?

What does all of this really say about their confidence and position as a console and game creator? About their product?

The only proper negatives now in regards to the XBone, are:

1) 90% of its features are hidden behind a paywall, even the free ones.
2) The DRM is still in the console at launch and requires a patch, even though they can upgrade the GPU and system OS before launch. Why??
3) The XBone dashboard was designed with advertising in mind: http://www.sticktwiddlers.c...
4) They are drip-feeding you sweet nothings about the "Cloud power" when the reality is this:

They need to come out and justify those things and the XBone will actually be a more relevant and attractive option.
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Gridloc  +   914d ago
Maybe they wouldn't have had to check off a list of consumer complaints after the revile if they asked consumers what they were expecting out of the next Xbox. Microsoft has been telling people what they want lately and having to backtrack on most of it because of low preorder or sales numbers. Their change of heart might excite you but it should have never been that anti consumer to begin with...
Sitdown  +   914d ago
And you are trying so hard to be a one is simply trying to be like the 360 and previous generations......not requiring kinect is not a ps4 exclusive,it is continuing with how gaming has always been.
CalamityCB  +   914d ago
Listening to consumers like a company should and responding to their worries and fears so they wont lose their target audience is "trying so hard to be the PS4"?
Microsoft outlined their console in the beginning and have now adapted to the user base now making it more appealing to the consumers and it also shows that MS is clearly looking out for us without completely ruining the user experience.
5eriously  +   914d ago
So funny that Sony actually did all that in advance BEFORE they designed the PS4 console in cooperation with dev's and key game players. Why is the gamers requirement with M$ just an afterthought

It's all lies, M$ saw the backlash and preorder numbers, therefore the 180's but unfortunately all that was there can be re implemented easily in future by M$ and I do not trust them for one picosecond. Their past history does not deserve anyone's trust.

So many 180's in such a short time considering the Windows8 woes on top of it.
threefootwang  +   914d ago
You think MS would've known all this with the previous Gen. Considering what they had with the 360, it makes me wonder how a company as rich as them can screw up so badly with the xboner. SO yes in a way, they really are trying to be like Sony and the PS4.

These changes won't convince me to go back to them, they had 7 years of my money with my 360 and now that I've sold it, I can't wait to pick up a PS4. Sony has been very clear about the PS4 from the start, it really is a no brainer they're going to give MS a good spanking. MS can only do what they do for so long before traditional gamers get fed up with their practices.
ape007  +   913d ago
nice spin sir, this is great news, now they can offer more freedom in their system, 399$ kinectless xbox one(equal to ps4) or a 499$ all in one

more choice is better
ABeastNamedTariq  +   914d ago
Hell yeah! If this is true, I'm going to try and pick up their console when Titanfall comes out (instead of Halo like I planned). PS4 is still day one for me, but that's freaking great. It'll be much easier to take to a relatives house - less cords and what not.
PockyKing  +   914d ago
So, what am I paying $500 for now? I mean yea, I still want the Xbox One, I'll still buy it. But seriously, make a bundle without Kinect for those with the mindset their paying an extra 100 bucks for something they don't want to use.
ceedubya9  +   914d ago
That probably isn't likely to happen. At this point, Kinect is considered part of the package. Not having to use it is probably the best that anyone can get right now. If the 500 asking price is too much, then it will eventually come down in price later on down the road and should be a more desirable package for someone looking to buy at 400 and under.
no_more_heroes  +   914d ago
Now its perfect. Personally, nothing else needs "fixing" now.

By the way, MS, please don't make a Kinect-less SKU. I want developers to actually have a reason to fully experiment with its capabilities, because if done right, the possibilities are very enticing indeed.

To those saying that it could always have been turned off, that's not new. It's always been like that. The only issue was that, even when turned off, it had to be connected to the console for the console to even work.

Personally, that wasn't really a huge problem for me but I admit to being just a smidgen paranoid, so its good to know that it doesn't need to be connected anymore.

I have no reason to be hating on combinations of burned sand, plastic and metal. I just play games.
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Virus201  +   914d ago
Well said. I couldn't agree more. I would like to see how indie devs and gamers (now that every Xbox One is a dev kit) find new ways to use the Kinect 2.0. Maybe some new game or a cool Windows 8 app (since Xbox One can download Windows 8 apps).
no_more_heroes  +   914d ago
I keep going back to that horror game example, being able to detect your heart rate and see you in complete darkness, plus the impulse triggers in the controller, could possibly redefine the cat-and-mouse horror experience, if done right.
nunley33  +   914d ago
Ms said you could turn it off but you couldn't unplugg it for the system to operate. While being off the camera was shut down but not the microphone and was always listening for commands. Now they've backtracked and said you can unplugg it now. I won't say they were lying cause always online and always on kinect was their original plan. I think they should've stuck to the original plan and going back on it upset alot of xbox loyalists who wanted it.
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McScroggz  +   914d ago
At this point I'm just going to wait and see what the Xbox One actually is after it launches. Who knows what it will have/not have and what it will require/won't require.
PFFT  +   914d ago
I guess the Xbox One unboxing video bashing might be working. I mean it doesnt affect me in the slightest. Kinect or no kinect 500 dollars, 400 dollars etc etc im still getting an xbox one no ifs or buts about it.
ConwayGritty  +   914d ago
I agree that 'xbone' is getting better and better

Do I believe that saying xbox one will do better now that it is not 'required'? No.
They need to take the hit and include the kinect for 399.99
It may never happen but the kinect was made to be tied in with the xbox one
And I'm actually kind of excited to see it in action.

It's hard to say what Microsoft should do when they keep putting themselves in these predicaments?

Opinions?! ;/
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   914d ago
haters will still hate just watch...
TriangleOffense  +   914d ago
Gimme a price drop or a SKU without one and I'm in
Kayant  +   914d ago
And the 180 train keeps on rolling making the Xbox one more and more attractive. Makes me wonder why Xbox one was like this pre E3 and before the beginning of the 180s. Was it an attempt to try and get away with some anti-consumer polices? Or was it mainly the influence of don mattrick that these policies where in place and after his departure sense was restored at MS? Kinda like the former Windows chief (Steven Sinofsky) leaving and now MS are fixing things with Windows 8.1.

We will never know but great news all around.
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finbars75  +   914d ago
Not sure if this is good news or not.Whats to say they wont do another 180 down the road after launch.Not to sure if MS still knows what they are doing.This is just showing that MS has no backbone and give into everything.What goes around comes around mark my words MS is up to something.Im not trying to take anything away from MS but to me this is just sending mixed messages to there core fans right now.Who do I believe MS or there core fans.I dont feel this isnt restoring anything until they have there heads on straight.This should have been dealt with before E3 in my opinion.
Kayant  +   914d ago
Well said. I agree they seem very confused with their vision atm. I was just stating it's great news for people buying an Xbox one. All these 180's make it more attractive to me but I then remember their initial unveiling and that shows me more of what their vision is i think and am not interested in that vision.
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finbars75  +   914d ago
kayant its so weird what there going through.Its almost like there having a life crisis or something and it feels like they have no confidence in the Xbox one and thats why they are changing everything on the fly.Another reason why they should have thought this out better before E3 or even there first showing of there new console.I cant see any reason why I should pick this console up over the others.At least the other companys stood tall and showed us where they stand with the core gamers,none of this well we are going to change this and that out of the blue making me a non believer in what they have created.if you cant stand behind your product from the start then just hold off until you feel ready.To me this is just off the wall crap MS has been pulling.
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5eriously  +   914d ago
Have you ever heard of "Scapegoats"? No one man could have been responsible for all these 180 requirements. It's usually a whole team or department, in this cas M@ as a corporate draconian giant.
GreenRanger  +   914d ago
Microsoft are doing more backflips than a greased-up gymnast wearing rollerskates in a washing machine that's rolling down the side of a mountain.
no_more_heroes  +   914d ago
LOL sounds like something I would say!

I'm of the opinion that they should be commended for it though, to some extent at least. I'd be way more suspicious if Mattrick was still in charge while making these changes.

Can't say they're not listening now.
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pyramidshead  +   914d ago
lol! bubbs
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Mr-Dude  +   914d ago
Lol, I wonder why they didn't do this in the first place... Says a lot about a company that doesn't stand behind there product. Now they are changing everything about there console. Next stop is the Kinectless SKU and then a new look...
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Prcko  +   914d ago
microsoft changing everything
IcicleTrepan  +   914d ago
Well they did completely change management. That being said, I like this new change, a lot of people were asking for it. This means if my Kinect breaks I won't be screwed and can still use the system. Also the tinfoil hat people should be able to sleep easier and that particular argument can die.
Soldierone  +   914d ago
It's basically the same statement though. He says "it can be totally off" does that mean it can be unplugged now? Because if not, then we already knew this. You can turn it off while using it, but it still needs to be hooked up.
Virus201  +   914d ago
He says, "That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor."

The Xbox One WILL function if the Kinect isn't plugged in.
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Soldierone  +   914d ago
But later when they directly ask him and he replies, he goes "it can be turned off." So i'm curious if this means we could unplug it and go throw it in a box in the garage, or if we need the thing to still be in the room so the Xbox doesn't freak out.

If we can unplug it and toss it, I'm happy. Its the one thing that was really holding me back from the console. Dont want or need Kinect.
Whitey2k  +   914d ago
Half of the rubbish ms has pulled fanboys still loves them its a complete joke btw this is old news
CrossingEden  +   914d ago
Kinda like how sony has tons of fanboys who love them despite all of the bs they pulled in the past, but no no, let's forgive all that. -_-
IcicleTrepan  +   914d ago
Microsoft went through a large upper management change not just in the Xbox division.

How come when they listen to their customers you feel it's a bad thing? Probably because you were never interested in buying one in the first place. As a person buying an Xbox One and a PS4, I'm happy that MS has listened to customer feedback and changed nearly everything I didn't like about the system.
Soldierone  +   913d ago
The thing is, if they actually listened to fans then all these reversals wouldn't be needed.

They don't listen to fans, they listen to sales numbers. After the crap that was Windows 8, terrible tablet sales, and lackluster phone sales, the last thing they need is Xbox selling badly. so they turned things around the second sales (pre orders) were not amazing.

I hope you are right though, I hope this new management actually listens to people. Not just on Xbox, but all their products.
kewlkat007  +   914d ago
Wasn't this related to being plugged and online all the time fiasco/Rumor..

I doubt they will make a kinect-less bundle..

There goes the I'm spying on you propaganda..

What else is next? Powerbrick? AA batteries?
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ConwayGritty  +   914d ago

Not paying $800?

So when you buy your ps4 with a decent headset maybe, a couple of games and maybe another controller then eventually maybe buy the much less power pseye

How much will that be?

You will save 100 dollars for ps4 and think of how kuch we have all wastes on consols

I do no think that 100 should make or brake a console for anyone

Especially when a kinect is included I mean it's not debate the value is in xbox one
Belking  +   914d ago
Dude you are wasting your time making sense here. Now people will just move on to the next "complaint" Many people, especially here, were never gonna buy xbox-one in the first place. It has nothing to do with price or whether kinect is there.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   913d ago
Hey belking, remember last month or so, your little PM tirade and spins of how Kinect was never mandatory for the console to work, and i tried explaining, yes, in fact, it was.Then you blocked me?

Now we know who really was in denial.
Just keep that in mind.
DigitalRaptor  +   914d ago
Dude. The value is in Xbox one?

Care to explain to me how the value is in Xbox One, when 90% of its features are hidden behind a paywall. And it's mostly free stuff that they've shoehorned in there under a premium subscription - is inexcusable, and if you think that's value, then good luck to you.


@ Belking - as long as logic is provided you'll keep learning, or perhaps not?

Try refuting these points, without resorting to the shallow fanboy accusations:

1) 90% of its features are hidden behind a paywall, even the free ones.
2) The DRM is still in the console at launch and requires a patch, even though they can upgrade the GPU and system OS before launch. Why??
3) The XBone dashboard was designed with advertising in mind: http://www.sticktwiddlers.c...
4) They are drip-feeding you sweet nothings about the "Cloud power" when the reality is this:

Somehow, these are all positives in the minds on Belking and the rest of the XBox loyalists. I just want MS to come out and clarify all these genuine, unexplained, unjustified points, THEN you can tell me to shut or or inform people to ignore validity.
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GraveLord  +   914d ago
What's the value in a $100 premium for a console that is 40% weaker in the graphics department alone?

$100 is a lot of money to most people. It's the difference between buying an extra game or controller.

The thing about value bundles is that they're supposed to be optional, not forced. Would you buy a PS3 with 10 AAA FPS games, even if you prefer Action Adventure? I mean, its great value and only $100 more expensive!
Belking  +   913d ago
Weaker in graphics huh? I know which console has more games at 1080P Also I know which game took home the most E-3 awards and it isn't on PS4. xbox-one is looking sweet!
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