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Pachter: Vita is Dead, PS4 Remote Play Won’t Save it

Ever one for stirring the pot, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter loves to make predictions about the future of the games industry. This time, Pachter has shared his thoughts on whether the PS4′s remote play will save the Vita. - PSLS

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Kamikaze1351082d ago

If Patcher says it's dead, then clearly it's not. He's Mr. Polar Opposite, after all.

Timesplitter141082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

honestly if a console doesn't see success within the first 6 months then it probably never will. And if people are sarting to think it'll be "saved" by another console, it just shows that it's already too late. A successful console must become successful by itself, or else it just won't cut it.

So I'm inclined to agree with Patcher on this one. Sony should put Vita behind them and make sure the PS4 gets all the attention it deserves.

andrewer1082d ago

I never thought I'd say that but, yeah, I agree with Pachter.

Kingthrash3601082d ago

so by your logic...the ps3 and 3ds are both failures. ?? both were doing bad the first six. ... uhhh smh

da_2pacalypse1082d ago

Oh? Nintendo DS? Nintendo 3DS? Even PS3 didn't have much success in the first year.

zeal0us1082d ago

I don't think Sony should just throw in the towel just yet. They could still issue a price cut and things could turn around for them. Just look at Nintendo and the 3DS. Things turn around for them after the price cut and more games.

Timesplitter141082d ago

It's been out for almost 2 years. C'mon

Apoca1ypse1082d ago

Own eighteen games for the vita. still playing blazblue continuum shift extend online with tons of people even before it went on gold I don't know why people think its "dead".

Axe991082d ago

Yes and no - if it's designed in such a way that they can cut costs over time, to get the price into a more amenable bracket for handheld gamers, then it may well get a second wind - there's plenty of gaming systems that haave started slow and picked up speed (see PSP, 3DS, PS3, off the top of my head).

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MaxXAttaxX1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

Not sure if this makes sense, but to the people that own a PS Vita, the system is more alive than Wii U.

The hard part is getting people to buy it in the first place. Some people always talk about having a "killer game" and they don't even know what it is or what they want. But once you do buy it, you'll find plenty of reasons to like the system. There are plenty of great games on it. Not just retail, but digital as well, with a wide range of small to big titles.

The only thing I can think of that will help sales, is a price drop and a marketing reboot.
It's a really great system. Technically the best dedicated handheld gaming system there is.

mcstorm1082d ago

The Vita had 2 problems imo. 1st was the price including the memory card as the device needs a memory card it should be one included even if its just a 1 or 2GB in size. But with the price drop of the Hardware this should help with the sales.

The 2nd issue is the games. Sony made a big mistake with the games on the PSV imo. MNR should of had online, LBP was not pushed the way it should of been and it needs to push for both core and none core to be a success and I don't think games like COD will sell the PSV as people want it on the home console.

I don't think the PSV is dead but before the PSV and 3DS came out I said I thought the 3DS would have better sales than the PSV but the PSV could sell more than the PSP and I am now starting to think it will not sell more than the PSP in its life which is not what Sony will of wanted. I do not think it is dead though.

Mounce1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

Timesplitter14 - I'd think 3DS disagrees with you.

How long had it been on the market, stagnating, rotting, before Nintendo gashed the price by like 40-50%? Now it's constantly selling fine.

Vita hasn't even gotten an official price cut since launch so it's like....Hold the fuck up and of course, wait for a pricecut and see how consumers react first, some are waiting for a price cut before making the decision.

Tsar4ever011082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

Blame it on the era of the smartphone and tablet. These handset are multi purpose, have decent gpu's, internet fuctionality with upto 4g speeds. Its not sony's fault, it's just bad timing. A expensive dedicated gaming hand portable running outdated 3g speeds is no longer even relevant this day and age, not when apple app store and android playstore can more than fill those rolls. I'm not hating, I'm a sony supporter too, I'm just seeing the writing on the wall.

Dee_911082d ago

Im curious as to what is the amount the vita needs to sale to be successful? Did Sony come out and say the Vita is selling poorly? or is it that people are taking potential profit as actual lost profit?Is it because Jack said they expected it to sale more? Comparison of sales to the 3ds or other hand helds in general?
I have been so confused by this for the longest.The Vita isn't a necessity its an accessory, and its going to sale like one ,its completely dumb to say just because it doesn't sale as much as something else means its a failure.I can understand if the vita was back stocking at retailers and not selling at all.I agree it could most definitely use more support, but to say its dead is a complete over reaction because absolutely nothing supports that claim.
I can say water is juice and write an entire article talking about the results and consequences of water being juice.But if I can't explain why water is Juice, why should anything I say be taken seriously?

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1nsomniac1081d ago (Edited 1081d ago )

@Timesplitter14 "It's been out for almost 2 years. C'mon "

...That's strange because im sure it celebrated its first year anniversary last week. So by that assumption, by the time the PS4 gets released the PS Vita must be what..... 100+ years old???

nukeitall1081d ago

I remember when the PS Vita got a standing ovation due to the price and it's faboulous specifications, and how it was going to destroy the 3DS.

Fast forward, the price is the problem now and it has minimal software.

Does that remind you of the PS4?

Price? check
Lack of games? check
Console focus on hardware? check

user55757081081d ago

im very interested in remote play, however they need to drop the price of the vita and the memory cards.

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Snookies121082d ago

Yay. Good news for Vita! I seriously don't understand why it's failing though... It's (in my opinion) the best handheld I've ever owned. Started out with the original grey brick GameBoy, and have bought every Nintendo handheld since up to the 3DS. At least Sony has pledged support for it, even if it doesn't sell well. That makes me happy as a Vita owner. Here's hoping we'll see some localization of the numerous Vita titles they have in Japan. Seriously, they have like twice the games we do anywhere else for the Vita.

zeal0us1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

Simple
-Lack of Games
-Price
-Rise of mobile gaming

These three things is what causing it to fail. Sony need to issue a price cut. Something between $149-$179 price range. Once a decent price cut is issued, hardware sales are likely to pick up. Once that happen more publishers will be willing to make games for it or port games to it.

Sadly the rise of mobile games is one thing it really can't be combated. I doubt Sony and publishers would be willing to drop their games down to the .99-$10 price range. They would suffer tremendous loses if they did.

Williamson1082d ago

Its the best handheld I've ever owned as well, I own about 16 games for it and I'm still missing some great games in my collection. Remote play is a bonus for me and I know I'll be using it a lot.

Otoshigamisama1082d ago

I have one and tbh I agree with you its the best handheld ever made and I never left my vita to the dust ever since purchase love it much, btw I have a 3DS also

Mr_Writer851082d ago

@Zelous

Not one retail game is under £10, also the Vita gets 20 games a year as part of Plus insane value even more so if you have a PS3.

People complain more about the memory cards then the price of the console itself.

And the Vita has a large selection of games, and many great games, just because a game doesn't appeal to everyone doesn't make it any less of a good game.

gaelic_laoch1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

I hated my PSP, DS, Gamegear,Gameboy,Ipad gaming, Android gaming...... but I honestly love the feel of the Vita as it is really immersive and intuitive! Hotline Miami proves how the Vita can be the true home of Indie Games if they get support from SONY!

The Vita does not have a gimmicky feel to it like I found other handhelds to be. Would be so unfortunate if it fails because people really are missing out on a good gaming experience!

Major downside of course is the Memory Card system that I can and never will defend as it was a bad move by SONY!

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LaChance1082d ago

So Wii U is dead but the Vita is alive ? Yeah sure.

andrewer1082d ago

You just entered a minefield lol

zeal0us1082d ago

Just because the WiiU is selling poorly it doesn't means its dead. It would become dead if Nintendo throws in the towel and say they're ending support for it.

Xsilvermist1082d ago

Ium Define dead I mean the first Xbox was dead because Microsoft stop supporting it unlike the vita which alot of support from developers and Sony and the sales going I'm pretty sure remote play will play a factor its the reason I'm buying a vita with the ps4 and don't count out Wii u yet

Knushwood Butt1082d ago

Well, it's doing OK in Japan and finding a niche for itself.

Elsewhere, it hasn't had a price cut.

Killzone and Tearaway look great, but the system needs original third party games and even ports of the big titles. No CoD at all this year is bad news for example.

PrimeGrime1082d ago

Seriously people are still asking for more CoD. Jesus christ.

tubers1082d ago

@PrimeGrime

Yes, but this time should be handled by Sony's own, more talented team.

CoD still has the brand power compared to any other VITA game barring UC (sales as proof).

Mustang300C20121082d ago

@tubers,

So only 750,000 since launch is doing good numbers?

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Yeah okay.

Concertoine1082d ago

^
^
Gotta love when people cherry pick on vgchartz. Doesnt support argument = vgchartz is unreliable/biased. To support argument= oh yeah? Look at these numbers.

Knushwood Butt1081d ago

What's the biggest selling Vita game to date?

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AbortMission1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

Vita is hardly dead since its weekly sales numbers aren't far from the 3DS's weekly sales numbers in Japan.

bothebo1082d ago

How many countries are there in the world? Rethink your statement.

TomShoe1082d ago

Clearly, Pachter doesn't know ish.

bothebo1082d ago

Really because you didn't use facts to show how he was wrong in one way. Or am I going to have to way your opinion up to a market analyst... wonder who i'll believe more.

WhiskyWhiskers1082d ago

@bothebo

Easy read everything in the past that he has always been wrong about.

s8anicslayer1082d ago

Oh Mr Patcher please STFU already. I think I speak for most on that BTW.

koolaid2511082d ago

The psp was outselling the nex ps vita the vita is dead!!!

NexGen1082d ago

People are forgetting that PS plus is about to hit bigtime with the PS4, and I believe many will snap up a price dropped vita to play those many many plus games they now have access to. I know I am.

andibandit1082d ago

Im getting a PS4, but no way im skipping 3-4 new nextgen games and spending the money on Vita instead.

Concertoine1082d ago

@andibandit
This, right here. People seem to think that the first thing customers will do after paying 400+ dollars on a ps4 is drop another 250 bucks on a vita. Add a game for each and ps plus and your wallet will be pretty damn light. i really dont see the ps4 selling the vita very much unless theres a bundle or a price drop.

GuyThatPlaysGames1082d ago

The Vita has been doomed from day 1. Kill it with fire and bury it 6 feet under ASAP!

DOMination-1082d ago

The only way it'll have a chance of surviving is if they release a new version that has r2, r3, l2 and l3 on it. Remote play will be useless otherwise.

NeutralXP1082d ago

It's dead get over it and never has had proper support

Aceman181082d ago

yes Patcher the vita is dead that fact that it only sold a little over 5 million in two years definitely says its dead.

in what world does selling over 5 million units of one product in a little over two years signal that its dead?

what the hell does he want it to do sell 10 units per month?

my Vita never collects dust, and i have more than enough games to play for it.

LoveOfTheGame1082d ago

The Sega Dreamcast sold over 10 million units in just over 2 years. Not agreeing with Pachter about it being dead but don't generalize to make your point, it will make you look like a fool.

Dreamcast: 2 yrs, 10 mil units = Dead
Vita: 2 yrs, ~5 mil units = Alive?

Hicken1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

It's a little UNDER two years. It launched in December '11 in Japan, February '12 elsewhere. Still four months to go before it's been on the market- period- for 24 months.

As for the Dreamcast, its failure as less a result of its own circumstances, and more a reflection of mismanaging in the entire company.

Edit: @LoveOfTheGame: What you say to Aceman can be turned back upon you, as you're generalizing that the Dreamcast and Sega were in the same situation as the Vita and Sony.

LoveOfTheGame1082d ago

@Hicken
I did not generalize once in my statement.

Aceman clearly stated that selling over 5 million units in, let's say, around two years is dead.

I gave a clear example that refuted that statement. I do, however agree with you that they are two different situations. Sega had financial issues from previous consoles, while Sony also has some financial issues, their real problem is lack of support for the handheld. Don't list the amount of games they have as I know the amount, there aren't any system sellers.

Aceman181081d ago

@game

My bad my first statement was a sarcastic remark for pacther saying its dead outright.

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TBONEJF1082d ago

man seriously i think PACHTER is the worst analyst ever.

vork771082d ago

have you seem the games they release i have not heard of any good ps vita games that is coming out that is worth buying

StoutBEER1082d ago

Oh my god. You all praise him when its Xbox/Microsoft, but when its PS4/Sony hes dead wrong! I didnt believe the majority of n4g users were biased until now. This is the hardest evidence I have ever seen.
Im still getting a PS4 after my Xbox One eventually, but I will not listen to anything you guys say Xbox/ PS4 related ever again. Too much bias.

killcole1082d ago

Expecting people to buy an existing console to further their experience on a new one is idiotic imo. I'm sure people will go for it. But instead of breathing life into the Vita, release a budget version as a periphial. Since anybody using a Vita will mainly be using it for Remote Play since there's probably less software on that than the Wii U.

3-4-51082d ago

Yea he's like a weatherman, if he says it's going to rain, it will actually be sunny that day.

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dedicatedtogamers1082d ago

"Vita is dead"

I disagree. As long as Sony keeps it on store shelves, it will always have a chance to catch a spark. Not saying it'll fly out the door and beat the 3DS. But I don't think it's dead.

However, I do agree that Remote Play won't do anything significant to help it. For people like me who already own a Vita, it's a fantastic feature. For a handful of PS4 owners, sure, they might bite on a Vita. But for most, no. Remote Play won't do anything.

-Alpha1082d ago

Well said. Price is still a huge block for many. Especially with next gen swinging. Hoping for a redesign and price drop at Gamescom.

I am waiting for the day we see Minecraft on VITA. I still think that's the killer app that can fire up sales, more so than any COD title.

iceman061082d ago

I would also say that the PSP was doing poorly before it's price cut as well. Sony saw this and, along with the price cut, they revamped the ad campaign in print and television. I doubt that they will let all of the R&D cash go to waste. So, they will probably do the same after the PS4 rush. Also IF they do a PS4/Vita bundle, that will go a long way to getting developers back on board. Consumers need to feel that there is long term support for the system in order to buy it. Right now, they are very cautious. Whether it is the perception of it the Vita "lacking games", the price of the proprietary memory, or the system itself, Sony needs to provide some confidence on all fronts. This coming from someone that owns and...actually likes the Vita.

xxPillsxx1082d ago (Edited 1082d ago )

This is just his opinion
One person's opinion wont kill the Vita

admiralvic1082d ago

Well tech Patcher is an analyst, so his opinion should carry more weight than others. However, Patcher has proven countless times that he has no real understanding of this industry and is seen as little more than a joke.

I agree remote play won't save the Vita (I want a Vita to play Vita games and a PS4 to play PS4 games), but the no system has ever started off running. They always have a slump, slow release period and plenty of death articles.

Kingthrash3601082d ago

analyst or not.....this is patcher we are talikng about....he watches matlock.

admiralvic1082d ago

@ Kingtrash360

I never said we should trust Patcher, just that he is an analyst and by default giving their opinion is their job. If you read past the first sentence I said he has no understanding of the industry and is little more than a joke...

People on this site need to seriously read more than the first sentence / headline and assume they know exactly where everyone is going with everything.

truechainz1082d ago

Exactly Vita will be fine and I think PS4 will only help.

M-M1082d ago

Sadly, this is the only way he can keep his job lol.

MizTv1082d ago

It it sad
He is wrong so much