Pach-Attack- If Xbox One Fails

GT:Michael Pachter determines how much Microsoft could be damaged if their next-gen console doesn't pay off.

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GribbleGrunger1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

Listening to the Vita section, I have to ask whether he actually follows gaming news. He's totally wrong on a couple of things.

GribbleGrunger1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

LOL. So many people disagree. Clearly you didn't listen to what he said or you don't know much about the Vita/PS4 combo.

'There's not that many games you are going to be able to play remotely on your Vita'

Every PS4 game can be played remotely on the Vita

'... And using it as a controller ...'

It was never intended to be used as a controller and Sony have said as much. Who the hell would buy a Vita as a controller even if it could be used that way?

See folks, and here you were thinking I'd taken issue with him saying the Vita is dead. I'm not you.

TheHybrid1416d ago

You are correct sir. Sony came right out and said that EVERY PS4 game can be played on Vita so unless Patcher has a good reason to believe Sony is lying, it looks you are correct and Patcher missed that piece of news.

iamnsuperman1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

I did notice the "not every game can be used in remote play" bit. I just ignored it as Sony has said differently. It seems he is getting confused about the differences between the remote play with the PS3 and PS4. He did make a valid point the Vita needs to drop in price. Lets look at it. Handheld consoles clearly do not sell any more at the old price points. They need to be cheaper now

GribbleGrunger1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

A price drop would definitely help. I agree.

Gimmemorebubblez1416d ago

He said their aren't many PS3 (not Ps4 games) that have the remote play feature.

kenmid1416d ago

he was clearly talking about the PS3 when said not many games can be play remotely

GribbleGrunger1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

The question he was answering: 'Do you think that PS4 remote play will help sell more Vitas.'

And you guys think he's talking about the PS3? It was a slip of the tongue. There tends to be a connection between a question and an answer.

BattleAxe1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

If Killzone Mercenaries doesn't push a serious amount of Vita units, then yes, PS Vita will be pretty well dead. On the other hand, the PSP is still doing quite well for its age, and I'm sure the profit margin on the PSP is quite high by this point in time.

kenmid1416d ago


the question was ask about the ps4, but when pach when into details he was talking the ps3.

JunioRS1011416d ago

Yeah, every game is playable via Remote Play, as that's one of the specifications to even make a game for PS4.

ginsunuva1415d ago

Not EVERY game.
Move and PSEye games can't

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LemonSlice1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

I guess he's not the only one according to all the disagrees you get

Mike134nl1416d ago

I do see your point, to be fair he is talking about remote play on the ps3 not sure why.

I do see psp selling more due to the ps4 remote play feature, though not that much more. I just agree with that it is a great device which at least for me and I expect others just is not worth buying at the current price level.

GribbleGrunger1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

I think that was just a slip of the tongue to be honest. Where did you get the idea you could remote play on the PSP?

fermcr1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

Yep, i agree with what Michael Pachter said about the Vita. Vita sales are quite bad and i don't think PS4/Vita remote play will improve those sales. I don't think the remote play is a selling point. Vita needs the software that appeals to the masses, like the 3DS.

As for the Xbox One. I find very unlikely it will fail. It won't sell as much as the PS4 (according to preorders), but no where near a failure... unless Microsoft has another debacle like the RROD and has to spend another billion $$ to fix it.

GribbleGrunger1416d ago (Edited 1416d ago )

Yes, but the reason he says it won't have much impact is because 'not many titles will support remote play'. That's what he's basing his assumption on. It's completely wrong. The compatibility is hardware based, not software based. All devs have to do is offer an alternative controller scheme (which is mandatory for ALL PS4 games)

Bringing the idea up of using the Vita as a controller as a motive, and then suggesting it's unlikely because people can buy other controllers, is just barking mad thinking. No one EVER suggested that being able to use the Vita as a PS4 controller would help sell Vitas. I have no idea where he pulled that nonsense from.

indysurfn1415d ago

@Fermcr You said the vita needs software that appeals to the masses. By your other comment about PS4 sales I think the Vita will have software that appeals to the masses! All the software from the PS4 will be available for FREE on the PS Vita. That is a HUGH selling point for me. One problem with hand helds is you don't know if your good console games will be on it in a decent time. They will be on Vita on day ONE!

FamilyGuy1415d ago

Pacher doesn't know what remote play is, period.

RicardJulianti1415d ago

Pachter is wrong far too often to be considered a legit analyst. It's quite ridiculous really.

He has even admitted to basically throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks. Just make a prediction for anything and everything.

That-Guy1415d ago

Sometimes I think Pachter wants this negativity for the hits.

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frostyhat1231416d ago

It would definitely hurt them, but MS has a lot to fall back on were they could eventually shrug it off.

miyamoto1416d ago

M$ can absorb billions of $$$ as if it is nothing. They recently lost $900 M on Windows RT OS and billions on Bing and still not fazed.

CraigandDayDay1416d ago

If you don't think Microsoft at the very least CRINGES at losing a billion dollars, you are sadly mistaken. lol No company on Earth just shrugs that off. A billion dollars?! lol That's a lot of money for ANY company.

Pixel_Enemy1415d ago

Microsoft has been failing at more than it has been successful lately. Xbox is the only division where it has been successful and that is pretty much in the US alone.

Mike134nl1416d ago

Microsoft will be fairly successfully not sure by how much. I don´t believe they will fail. Unless Microft somehow manages to device a marketing-plan to attract the mass consumer market, which just seems unlikely at the current price.
My guess at the moment is that the competition between the ps4 and xb1 will play out the same way as the ps2 vs the n64 in numbers/success not talking about games or ip´s.

Benchm4rk1416d ago

Except the PS2 didn't compete with the N64 the PS1 did. The PS2 competed against Nintendo GameCube and Original Xbox

Mike134nl1415d ago

true my mistake ps1 vs the n64, bubbel for being helpful.

iceman061415d ago

True, MS do have somewhat "infinite" pockets. But, at what point do the shareholders start to grumble about losing that money? They weren't too happy that MS decided to get into gaming. They weren't too happy when they had to part with the RROD money. Right now, many of them and some of the top brass, really want MS to be out of the console business and just sell services. MS can afford to fail, which they probably won't. But, it wouldn't be in their best interests and wouldn't bode well for a future in the console business.

Steak_Monster1414d ago


$1 Billion profit in a *single quarter* does not equate to 'failing at more than it's successful'

The other aspects of their business, especially the corporate retail are incredibly successful.

They're far from being in any kind of trouble.

And not to make this MS vs Playstation, but Sony have been making a loss the last 6 years, even there total profit figure last year of $435 million (there first profit posting in 5 years) was down to them selling over $1 Billion worth of assets - just another cleverly disguised loss to keep the shareholders happy.

This has got nothing to do with the quality of the consoles, so lets not get into that.

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Belking1416d ago

Pach says vita is dead. He may be right about that one.

shivvy241415d ago

the vita games ive been interested this year is tearaway and killzone (just 2)

Manic20141416d ago

The next gen consoles will have a long cycle but for MS They need to gain momentum using exclusives and full support for the 360 plus price cuts. Thats how the PS3 survived and done excellent. In the end for the average consumer the price and the game choices will make a big matter for choices.

Manic20141416d ago

Vita is not dead but they need more game support by Sony.

Belking1415d ago

Nope. Sony can save the vita on it's own. They need more third party.

porkChop1415d ago

Most Vita games are already 3rd party. Sony is hardly supporting their own system.

Manic20141415d ago

Nope Sony Needs o support the system with first party titles, hence thats why the 3DS is destroying the vita, Believe me i have had the vita since launch and whenever i want to get a new game there is no first party title from sony.

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