IGN:A reader wants to know which region makes the best role-playing games. So, Greg and Colin debate.
Japanese, hands down for me atleast
There has been some great JRPGs just as there has been some great WRPGs. On the flipside there has been some terrible JRPG and some terrible WRPGs. I have to say I like them both equally.
JRPG have greater focus on Art, than Technicalities. WRPG such as Skyrim is a technical marvel, with ever expanding world thanks to mods. If I want to play RPG for hours, days, weeks, moths, years, I prefer beautiful world & characters. Fallout, Mass Effect World is just too gloomy and depressing for me. At least in Skyrim, people can mod it to make more Cheerful. I like GTA5, I considers it the best WRPG ever made. I think it'll be great if there's a DLC playable Moe/Huge Boobs characters which commonly found in JRPGs. That'll be heaven for me.
10 years ago I would of said JRPG hands down. Now I would say WRPG hands down. But like they said in the video, if it wasn't for the success of JRPGs in the 90s and early 2000s then western RPGs prob wouldn't be as good as they are today.
JRPG this gen is the worse. Most of it are only using a little girl and "kawaii/moe" all over the place. And there are no Suikoden, Arc the Lad, Breath of Fire, Persona, KH (except HD ports), and many good JRPGs from the last gen. I still remember the epicness of Suikoden 2, the atmosphere from Persona, and the story-driven FF games. And I don't really feel any of that in this gen. But thank god, some of JRPG are still sticking to the cores such as Tales of and Disgaea.
Yeah, Suikoden 2 and Xenogears where the triumph highlights of jrpg´s. Breath of fire 3, final fantasy 7, suikoden 1, arc the lad 1, 2 and 3, tales of destiny 1, and many more where the bomb back then.
so very true what you speak. 90% of my library of games for all consoles from the Sega Master to the PS3 are mostly Japanese games and the truth is that JRPGs these days are pretty mediocre with the generic anime moe art-style to annoying and archaic battle systems. Like seriously, beside a very few of them like Valkyria Chronicle I really do not understand how this genre still has fans on consoles.
I agree in general. Persona 4 Golden sort of reminded me how few and far between the great JRPG's have been this generation. They're either retreads, sequels or generic animeRPG's. Though to be brutally honest, I feel the same way about WRPG's.
Easy on the "worst" word there, buddy. Dragon's Crown Tales of Xillia Ni No Kuni Monster Hunter 3rd Portable Demon's Soul Dark Soul Toukiden Black Rock Shooter Ragnarok Oddysey Gravity Rush are very very good JRPGs they are unique and game changers Japan makes the best RPGs hands down
don't forget Persona 4 Golden. Even though that was released and considered last gen, it's still is one of the best modern JRPGs out right now.
Agree with Miyamoto. There's also Disgaea 3-4, Valkyria Chronicles, Nier, Persona 4, SMT IV, Fire Emblem: Awakening, etc. Surely those JRPG doesn't represent the word 'worse'. And 'Moe/little kawaii girl' style already been on JRPG since long long ago. So why complain it now? If you don't like it than that style obviously not for you.
It doesn't matter to me. I just play good games /:
Depends who the dev is.
Overall I agree, but both have their cons and pros. For me, story and character development in jrpgs is much better than wrpgs. You get attached to the characters in your party more so than most wrpgs like fallout and skyrim. Jrpgs also have more diversity. There is action, turn based, strategy etc. Although when it comes to open worlds, wrpgs wins hands down.
It really does not matter, but its been a while since I have seen a JRPG burn up the charts. The closest I have seen is Dark Souls/Demon Souls.
Depends on what you're in the mood for. I like that WRPG's are starting to be more diverse in their world and gameplay (Skyrim, Mass Effect, Borderlands, Jade Empire, etc...) With JRPG's you pretty much know what you're getting into with a few exceptions (Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Xeno) vs (Persona/SMT, Dark Souls, etc...) I think WRPG's have the advantage of possibly being more diverse, simply because JRPG's are mainly limited to what the Japanese culture wants vs. WRPG's which basically consist of the rest of the world. But ultimately it just depends on the world, the characters, the missions / quests, the story, and if I'm willing to invest 20+ hours into all of that.
japanese role playing games.. no contest!
Western rpgs are more of my taste
I may be a little biased, but I like JRPGs better. I don't have a problem with western one though. I love games like Fallout and Elder Scrolls but that's as far as I go with western RPGs.
Try Borderlands, Jade Empire (JRPG-esque), The Witcher, and Skyrim.
I love both, but it really just depends. JRPGs tend to be far more experimental and fine-tuned with mechanics (like battle systems or clever minigames). One of my favorites this gen was Resonance of Fate, a perfect example. WRPGs tend to have a lot more freedom and a lot more customization (again, it depends on the game). One thing that taints my opinion is I play oodles of handheld games, and 95% of the good RPGs on handhelds are Japanese.
Let's not go to handhelds since JRPG will just blow WRPG out of the water on that one. Hell, I don't even think any WRPG developer develops games on handheld. Anyways, WRPG = bigger world to explore. Mostly open world and lots and lots of freedom. JRPG focus more on the specifics like character upgrades, equipment and definitely battle.
Micromanagement. That used to be a real thing back in the day for WRPGs but they abandoned it for accessibility and "broad appeal". The original X-Com was just as in-depth as the old SNES JRPGs, and the original Baldur's Gate had all the little intricacies found in things like Star Ocean and Front Mission. Nowadays it's not like that at all for western RPGs. They focus more on trying to be blockbustery and sell people on these market-friendly characters (e.g., Miranda, male Shepard, Skyrim's Dragonborn). I think JRPGs went off the rail this gen but I do appreciate that they still kept some of the micromanagement mechanics that made them so fun and lovable from generations passed.
One thing is that western rpgs tends to have much higher budgets compared to jrpgs (there are exceptions) And it's one of the main reasons why a lot of Japanese developers prefer to release their games on handhelds.
That's true JRPG's dominate on handhelds. I don't get why we don't see more WRPG's on hnadheld. Borderlands on Vita please.
For me JRPG's hands down..
Western RPGs have certainly come to prominence over JRPGs this gen. Largely because JRPGs failed to develop where available hardware better suited what WRPGs devs have largely had in mind.
I prefer JRPGs, to me WRPGs seems like a Hack & Slash with numbers flying around, and guns with numbers flying.
These days, Western for sure. 10 years ago, JRPG. These days with The Witcher, Elder scrolls, Cyberpunk, Mass effect and Fallout, the WRPG genre is outplaying the JRPG one. However, up to the ps2, the jrpg reigned.
Only the Witcher reigns, the rest is meh, also, hwo did you even know about Cyberpunk?? EDIT: So you see the future -__-
All of them reign, whether you like it or not. And Cyberpunk is from the creators of the whitcher, it cannot fail.
"So you see the future -__-" Well, duh. He is after all the fox'GOD'.
It really just depends on personal taste.
on paper western RPGs are superior in every way: graphics, story, gameplay, everything. But as everything comes down to what you like then... Who knows.
which one has been relevant in the last 10 years? oh thats right.
I recall WRPGs reigning over the west with this generation. Thats hardly 10 years. the PS2 in its life cycle still had kick ass jrpgs. So i'm not sure where you brough that wrpgs reigned over
They both have lots of pros and lots of cons, so I think they're pretty even. You can't really compare them because they aim to provide different experiences.
I found WRPGs generally more immersive. Da/De Souls almost didn't felt like a "JRPG". Because of budget and studio size, I think it's pretty hard for JRPG to catch up on the ranks of the more popular WRPGs. I hope FFXV delivers relative to recent WRPGs.
Jrpg hands down for me , i like a brand of art , storytelling and gameplay over "just" a vast world . Besides , i'm an oddity , people say jrpgs has gone downhill , it is true in parts , but i believe that Wrpgs did too . There is the witcher , and then there are bethesda games getting prettier but worse gameplay and choices wise compared to earlier days of the Elder scrolls . And there is Bioware who has produce some good stuff but not even close to the greatness of past titles like Kotor and Baldur's gate . And then you've got Diablo 3 , a joke of a game compared to it's predecessors . Deus Ex HR was pretty good , mind you . And that's pretty much it ... i've probably forgotten a few or felt they werent worth naming , but people forget there arent many wrpg titles this gen , Ips and franchises to begin with . Most known Wrpg franchises have mostly gotten prettier and better presented , but keeps getting simplified and watered down
Witcher series, elder scrolls,fallout series, Deus Ex HR.A few good ones. This gen has been lacking in jrpg. All I can think of is ni no kuni, enternal sonta, tales series and probably some more I missed.
@Baka Don't forget Dragon Age 2 or Fable 3. I think it turn's out a joke like Diablo 3. The only good WRPG for me this gen are The Witcher, Deus Ex, and Fallout 3. @dcj0524 Valkyria Chronicles, Nier, Disgaea, Fire Emblem: Awakening, SMT IV, Etrian Oddsey, and many more.
That's precisely my issue ... with the Witcher being the only one at the absolute top and actually improving . I dont get how everyone can feel WRPG are getting stronger and better . They've traded off the too much from those established franchises to get better sales and graphics .
Jrpgs are my favorite but this gen Wrpgs definitely closed the gap. Mass Effect 2&3, The Fallout games , Skyrim, and The Witcher 2 are among my favorite games this gen.
JRPG - Tales Series,FF,Shin Megami Tensei,Kingdom Hearts,Star Ocean,Lost Odyssey,Dragon Quest,Shadow Hearts,Wild Arms and many more memorable JRPG WRPG - Mass Effect,Fallout,The Witcher,Elder Scrolls,Dark Souls/Demon Souls
Dark souls and Demon souls are jrpgs . From software have been doing their brand of jrpgs for decades now .
From Japan, but strong western influences and style.
@Bigpappy King's Field series is JRPG, created by From Soft, the predecessor of Demon/Dark Souls, and it's been as long as the Ultima series. Even though heavily inspired by western RPG such as Ultima, but From Soft can made King's Field unique and different from WRPG.
Decades ... 'nuff said
dark and demons souls are from japan dude.
Demon and Dark Souls maybe created in Japan but they are designed to be more like WRPG like Dragons Dogma. There are JRPGs that are also created in the west (mostly by indies) too. I think what separates JRPG and WRPG is about concept of design rather than where they are created.
That's why i think it's useless to separate RPG into two side of coin: JRPG and WRPG. Cause we will always end up debating which is the best, rather than enjoying them. So the best way to enjoy RPG is to ignore where / who created them and try to judge the game after we play it by ourself. And this year there's a lot of high quality RPG to play, especially from japan, such as Fire Emblem, SMT IV, Tales of Xillia, Ni no Kuni, Dragon's Crown, etc.
Demon's Souls wasnt designed with the west in mind , for a long time people didnt even know it would get a western release and begged for it . Hell it had to find a new publisher for the west bfore becoming the big selling hit we now know . Again From Software has been doing that kind of games with king field for ages and longer than most currently popular WRPG series even existed . Yeah at its core back then , From took elments from the west ... but just like other studios did with the equally long wizardy series they've made it their own . People just wanna believe that jrpgs = just final fantasy and stuf with anime teen heroes . Well screw those people , it's their own issue . The genre and its subgenres encompasses lots of stuff and always has .
^Getting a western release or the age of the developer from the design choice of the game has really no connection from each other. If that is your opinion, then I can respect that but I totally disagree with it. The concept of design is what separates the WRPG from JRPG and vice versa. Not the country they were made from.
My department. Japanese. Easily. People are geting bored of WRPGs now. Square and Namco Bandai FTW. And yes I'm north american.
Western RPGs and western games in general, the west ruled this gen with the most innovative games coming from the west with the japanese doing re-releases or newer versions of older games, and even the most anticipated japanese games are becoming western in design, like say MGS5, which instead of a restrictive(kojima's words) linear stealth game that had extremely long cutscenes acted out by japanese actors and dubbed over by english VAs, they did the complete opposite, a completely open world game with shorter cutscenes and shorter cutscenes with also darker and more realistic dialogue than before rather than it being over the top. FF15, instead of being a turn based traditional jrpg game, it's now an extremely cinematic game that besides the character design, looks nothing like a classic final fantasy game
"Mass Effect! Fallout!" This is a discussion about RPGs, not shooters (whether they're 1st, or 3rd person).
Skyrim is ass.
WRPGs all the way, for me at least; The Witcher, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Mass Effect, etc.
I feel that both types of RPGs have their own great hits and bad hits. At the moment, I prefer JRPGS, such as Final Fantasy series, Tales series, Shin Megami Tensei series, Dark Souls, Demon's Souls, Wild Arms series, Nier, and Valkyria Chronicles. It is not a matter whether the game is made by Japanese developer or Western developer. It is a matter whether how well we like that RPG, and whether we think that RPG is good or not.
JRPG, no question.
i personally prefer jrpg
i like both. no one is better than the other. for me jrpg and wrpg got a different approach but im more into jrpg,it has its funny moments and quirkiness and beyond human abilities AKA limit breaker/special/finishing moves
JRPGs have sadly fallen into being a niche genre. There's a set amount of people who like anime stylized characters and "quirky" dialogue. Personally I find most to be obnoxious beyond tolerable have barely played any since FFX. It seems like over the last 10 years WRPGs have grown to provide incredible immersive and detailed worlds, while JRPGs remained stagnant and moving only toward appealing to their small niche.
Jrpgs focus more on story and have special type of gameplay that you have to learn whereas wrpgs have great worlds to explore that you immerse yourself in,skyrim for example,but they don't really drive in the story.Both have their pros and cons but at the end of the day a rpg is a rpg and I love them.
Western RPG's, greater variety in majority of the games, albeit not as strong stories. However, they're just far more fun to play in terms of combat and exploration.
western RPGs always are graphically superior but eastern art style always wins me over as well as a smoother gameplay experience.. I still love western RPGs too though.. What got me hooked was Star Wars KOTOR on the original xbox..
I think the way either is normally approached shows that they are just too different to really compare. That said, personally, there aren't that many Japanese roleplaying games that I hold in high regard. Mostly just the Persona series, games from Level 5 and the Dragon Quest series. Throw in particular FF releases for good measure. Many Western RPGs, however, rank among some of my favorite games in general.
JRPG's easily, i don't think i like a single WRPG. I find WRPG's ugly to look at.
Depends on what you're preferences are, but personally i think JRPGs have far better worlds and aesthetics that give off a greater sense of adventure and creativity