The representation of racially diverse and authentic playable characters in video games will result in more powerful experiences for players, according to game designers Mattie Brice and Toiya Kristen Finley.
I agree we need more diversity but that shouldn't mean just black guys. It seems like blacks are the only ones that make a big deal about this so then we get a black guy in game just for the sake of equality and not because he fits the story. I'd like to see some Arabic, Latinos, Asians, and Natives as protagonists but without making them stereotypical. Women would be nice too, but stop making them strong women. We need weaklings too! Not every character needs to be a muscular badass.
Haunting Ground is the game for you, yet the game got flak for being realistic and people were actually offended by it.
Nothing wrong with some racial diversity.
Except when it is used to promote a sense of racial diversity, not actual racial diversity.
Well yeah, I can't disagree with that. I will admit gaming still has a way to go but I'm happy to see steps being made.
I really don't see how it'd benefit me if there was I couldn't care less if the character was black white or purple. A good character would still be a good character and a bad one would still be a bad one regardless of the skin color. I suppose it would be nice, but would it effect me? Probably not
@fantasma - agreed. Diversity shouldn't only mean Black people. As a Latino I rely on create a character to see "me" in the game. Which is why I champion it so much for games. GTA 5 should have a Latino lead character (Los Angeles /Los Santos = 92% Latino) I live here.
True. In the US its goes: Whites>Latinos>Blacks> ;Asian in terms of population but anytime someone wants to show diversity, they put a black guy in. Its unrealistic. Notice how almost every McDonalds or Budweiser commercial has 1 black guy in a group of 4 or 5 white guys. It looks so obvious that its forced. I don't mind white characters, but they could make them Italian, European, Canadian, etc. White doesn't have to mean Murican all the time you know. They could be diverse even within the white race as funny as that sounds. Why does the 3rd place minority get used more than the 2nd and 4th?? A GTA set in California without having a Mexican/Central American or Asian is a true crime. Good thing Sleeping Dogs wasn't afraid to use an Asian. Wei Shen FTW!
This year Latinos went even with Americans
I think that the reason why they put Black people to show diversity is simply because it is the easy thing to do. Show a black guy, no problems with diversity. The real issue, as you stated, is that it is just inclusion in the vise of diversity. There should be, in my opinion, diversity where it is warranted. Just don't force it just because there has to be at least one because that doesn't serve anybody.
The thing about being Latino/Hispanic is it isn't a race. I'm Hispanic but my race is black, I am also a quarter Thai on my father's side. Anyway you can be white, black, or asian 100% and still be latin/Hispanic.
in a game its fair enough because its a story but as long as Multiculturalism and racial diversity dont affect my day to day life i'm ok
Not in your day to day life? What does that mean?
I don't want to be fed BS on how its ok to let one culture take over and destroy another and how its ok to have offspring with someone who is of a very different ethnicity. Just my views. But this is a gaming site so I'm not going to discuss it any further.
What ya doing later, clan meeting?
don't be childish
I don't mind sometimes playing as a character who is not the same ethnicity as myself (that isn't a massive deal, though of course I prefer someone from my own background). Nor do I mind playing a woman occasionally (though as a man, I again lose immersion, especially when these women are seen to be in relationships with men in-game. That just feels weird to me). I will never buy a game where I'm forced to play as a homosexual character. I'm supportive of the option (and think more games should have that option), as games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age and even Skyrim provide something which the LGBT community can enjoy, but I will not have homosexuality imposed upon me. By all means devs can press a liberal agenda and embrace lower sales figures, but I certainly won't support them in their endeavour. EDIT: And someone's already disagreed with me. I suppose these days if you don't hate yourself for being a white, straight (albeit tolerant) male and refuse to worship historically disadvantaged minorities as superior lifeforms simply because of how their predecessors were treated then you're going to be disliked. Evidently the world still has a long way to go before we reach a level of true, meritocratic equality which allows all to live in harmony. I'd be grateful if someone could at least explain where they think I've gone morally astray here.
Why? You won't turn gay playing as one. If you are uncomfortable with homosexuality, it may be because you aren't 100% straight and fear that something could trigger that buried part of you to come out involuntarily. I'm straight and yet gays don't bother me at all because its pointless to worry about something so insignificant. One of my friends ended up turning gay and he doesn't hang out with me anymore cuz I'm not gay. LOL. I think he thinks I would make fun of him, but why would I?
I know a couple of gay people and truth be told I didn't even realise they were at the start. I still have them as friends and they're some of the nicest guys I know. I have nothing against supporting characters being gay at all, and like I said, I first and foremost support the choice. What feels awkward for me is being forced into the shoes of someone who is gay and partaking in the flirting and romance. If this felt natural to me, or I enjoyed it, then I would almost certainly be gay or bisexual myself. I'm not, and so I don't get as much out of this as I do playing a man conversing with a woman. This only really applies to games with a fixed character though. My own view is that more games should provide the selection choices which Bioware give us, as this keeps everyone happy.
Fantasma,people like you are part of the problem. You assume because he isn't waving a rainbow colored flag and marching in parades that he's anti-gay. Just because he chooses not to support it doesn't mean he's against it. It's just that these days if you say "I don't support gay rights", you're automatically a bad guy. I just stand on the sideline. I don't support, and I don't blockade. What someone does is their business, so long as I don't have to place my 2 cents in it, that's fine.
You're dead on, spartanlemur. The agenda today seems to be if you're not an ardent supporter, then you must be a detractor. I don't mind if a gay character is an option, just as I don't mind if a variety of races are available in a game. BUT, if I choose not to play as those races, or if I choose not to play as a gay character, does not mean I'm racist and/or homophobic. My choices in gaming, or any other media, should not be taken as a reason to point the finger and declare me "the enemy".
So the moogles in final fantasy games should act more like "real life" moogles?
I'm black guy and it is kind of annoying. In alot of games they 1 black guy then all white. Why can't it be asain and latino and indian ect too? I used complain about this in JRPGS and Anime but then I realised its japan lol theres alot of japanese people so they'll show japanese people.
Well one of the last major game with a black lead was GTA:SA, and people complained that it was racist to have a black character as the lead. It was also considered "racist" to kill black zombies in RE5 and L4D2. Cole in Gears also brought complaints about it being a racist role. Maybe they are not putting blacks in videogames to keep out of any controversy.
It's not just about inclusion for inclusion's sake. It's really about real and genuine story and character development using a minority character. I have no problem with either of the games that you listed (understanding exactly what each game actually is).
This will be my only serious comment. Man, I hate when I play a game as a Black, Asian or Latino and they make the game full of stereotypes. Look at GTA 4, why did the Jamaican/Dominican guy have to be a drug dealer? Why did he have to speak Ebonics? (Like an uneducated fellow) Why does the Asian all ways have to have some mix with the Chinese mafia or some triad? Even worse why don't they ever get voice actors from the place that such a character plays? They all ways have some stupid American do it with a shitty stereotypical accent.. Just pisses me off..
Pretty much all media glorify the white male while other ethinic groups are sterotypes.
Glorify?! Man...let me throw this out there. A music video where you have women shaking there asses in the camera, while the performers ride around in a $200,000 car, waving money around by the fistfuls and drinking $1500 cognac like it was water. Do you imagine white males with that analogy? No stereotype here, just the brass tacks.
connor from Assassin's creed 3 is a perfect example of a character with a different ethnicity done right, instead of adhering to stereotypes they put him in the story and provide context for his actions, like not respecting each and every person he meets
This article has some really good points. Inclusion should be more than just a stereotypical portrayal of diversity. It should be something where the character and the story are enhanced and developed because of that diversity. From the article... "when developers create nuanced characters, it allows players to see the game world through their eyes — to understand the character's experiences, their motivations, their actions and their agency. When developers apply this same nuance to minorities, it allows players to see the game world through a whole new lens." IMO, if developers are not including diversity with this sentiment as an overall goal, then they are just seeking the inclusion of black, latino, asian, native american, female, or homosexual characters just to say...see we put (insert minority here) in the game so you can't complain.
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