The Japanese man Phil Fish told “your games just SUCK” has some words for him

Now that Phil Fish has announced he's quitting games due to twitter slandering, Makoto Goto has some words for him.

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Donnieboi1724d ago (Edited 1724d ago )

Goto is a far more admirable man than Fish. Well played Goto. Just smile, be nice and keep improving. A life well lived is the best revenge. I like how he even tried to encourage Fish. If Fish still acts like an idiot after this, than he is beyond reach.

Edit: Also Fish has the opportunity to see the forgiveness that Goto showed, and apply the same forgiveness towards Beer. Yeah Beer is a total jerk, but considering that Fish did to others what Beer did to him, he should just let it go. No need for Beer to be stigmatized as being any worse than Fish (whether Beer should be fired or not, however, is an issue for his employers And their sponsors to determine). Let this be a slap on the wrist for Beer, and a reminder to Fish on what it's like to be humiliated publicly when unprovoked.

cleft51724d ago (Edited 1724d ago )

Completely agree. Goto is clearly a class act. It takes a really strong person to keep doing what they are doing after having a room full of people laugh at them for asking a simple question.

Personally, I have no tolerance for people like Phil Fish. I don't agree with the comments made against him and clearly Marcus Beer went to far, but Fish is hardly an angel. Fish is clearly talented, but his complete lack of class is getting in the way of enjoying his games and that is never a good thing.

Anon19741723d ago

Surprised to see this as news. Fish long since apologised to Goto and clarified his remarks, and Goto responded. He made some interesting observations on modern Japanese game development. It's too bad so often developers comments are distilled down to sound bites or completely taken without context. Also interesting that Jonothan Blow echoed the exact same sentiment in a harsher manner and no one said boo about that, instead focusing on Fish's lighthearted jest.

But hey. Site's gotta get hits, amirite? No news to report? Take something out of context and make it a story!

XboxFun1724d ago

And people are defending Phil Fish? Good riddance!

Clarence1723d ago

Yeah people like cliff. I'm glad Phil is not making his game. That's how weak he is. He thinks by not making his game he's hurting us.

XboxFun1723d ago

Exactly, you act like an azz and expect this great sadness for not releasing FEZ II?

Like Fez was this ground breaking game that changed the world.

I'll enjoy the thousands of other great indie titles for my console.

Nicolee1723d ago

I just read his twitter and his attitude is absolutely stink.

specialguest1723d ago

Agreed. I just peeked into his twitter and it seems like he's having a major a**hole attitude meltdown.

SolidDuck1724d ago

Fish is just being a baby. He basically just took his ball and went home. Look if your in the public eye, and make a form of entertainment, like video games, or movies. Some people are going to love your work and tell u how great u are. And some will hate it and bash u for it. The fact that someone at gametrailers got so under his skin that he just quit all together seems ridiculous. I think fish needs therapy, no one should let a twitter battle alter the life like that. Seems super dumb.

Shad0wRunner1723d ago (Edited 1723d ago ) sorry but I kinda have to agree with him on that.

Phish makes a lot of very good, valid points. In fact, the entire panel did.

Japanese games try to do too much for you, the player...and they take out a lot of the mystery and joy of having to discover things and do things on your own. You gotta have a pop up dialogue bubble for just about everything in most of these games...and it's not necessary. Let us play the game and let us figure it out on our own, without you basically telling us what to do and where to go. Im a big boy. I dont need you to hold my hand.

Phish is blunt and yeah, his comment was a little insulting...but it was true, nonetheless.

EDIT: Here is a perfect example of what Im talking about. The Legend Of Zelda - Wind Waker. Just look at how they practically tell you what to do. Theres no mystery to it. No self discovery and no self satisfaction. This type of game design NEEDS TO GO!

kingdip901723d ago

I think coming up with one example of handholding and saying it applies to all japanese games is a little short sighted and prejudiced.

While I agree that the legend of zelda games do have some handholding there is plenty to discover on your own. The big gorons sword quest from ocarina of time is an example of optional stuff laying in around in those games.

As for speech bubbles explaining things some games are about the plot and how the story unforlds rather than figuring out how to navigate the world you play in. Rpg's are a huge genre where this happens, they are story driven with a gameplay focus on battle machanics and grinding to prepare for the next big battle.

I know many people who appreciate japanese games for these things and more and simply because you may not see the appeal does not mean that this has to go it just means you shouldnt play those games, mocking them is pointless.

TheTwelve1723d ago

Why does it need to go? Why can't things just be different? Must every game be created just how you or Phil Fish or other haters of Japanese games want?

Why must it go?

Japanese games tend to me more complex than the average Western game, and so such tutorials in the beginning are necessary. Even Western games that get complex in terms of gameplay (like Mass Effect 2) have to hold your hand in the beginning.

And the best Western game this gen (in my opinion), Xcom, has an entire opening tutorial mode that will hold your hand for hours.

Phil Fish and Johnathan Blow have created games that master the art of simplicity but they can't compare their style to games that end up getting a lot of complex and intricate.


Clarence1723d ago (Edited 1723d ago )

Demon souls was one of the hardest games I've played since my Nintendo days. As far as games go COD, Gears, KZ, Alan wake, mass effect tell you exactly what to do. Phil comment was BS.

We need more developers like Moto because we know he's going to do his best to go beyond the average game. Developers like Phil will become complacent and make the same old game over and over.

He made one game called Fez and he thinks he God. He reminds me of JP from grandmas boy

Hicken1723d ago

Sorry, but it was NOT true.

Considering all the big Western games tend to hold your hand for like the first hour of the game easy(Batman, for example?), it's hard to even make the argument that it's a Japanese-only thing.

The problem is that you- and Fish, for that matter- generalized based on a game or two, and totally ignored all the situations where that ISN'T the case.

Such blanket statements and assumptions NEED TO GO.

Anyway, big ups on Goto for his humble and encouraging remarks.

Tultras1723d ago

LOL, I feel the Japanese games are the games which don't hold your hand. WESTERN GAMES are the ones that are so damn easy.

Ever played the Souls series?

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