Bad Gamers is back, again. This time the increasingly unstable Seb and Dan discuss the PS4′s RAM and how much is thought to be put aside for the OS and why. - PSLS
PhyreEngine 4.0 which help Game making Faster & Better thus making Better Games.
@catchmeonthat. Lol, buddy you're drunk....Go home!
That depends. I know gaming was held back a bit by PS3's OS not supporting cross game chat. Having to use text messages to set up games was a real pain in the ass.
'Sorry guys, MS is investing 1 bil in exclusives this gen. Game over.' This gen is still ps3/x360. And ps3 won. And yes game is over cuz Microsoft gave up. Next gen is ps4/xone. And the game didn't start yet.
this time Sony are using a full feldged OS based on Unix and shares origins with MAC OS, it has a deep history of development, it's no proprietary XMB http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... FreeBSD is also lighter on the the system than Windows.
@Catchmeonthat Who's demolishing what now??? http://www.xboxonevspsfour.... http://uk.gamespot.com/twit...
@catchmeonthat: get your "facts" straight please http://m.digitaltrends.com/...
What was that fr0sty?? Gaming was held back because of the ps3's os?!?! Lmao!! Wow bro! That's just retarded talk right there considering cross game chat was never a game changer in the previous gens, nor even this gen?! Yeah, the last of us and god of war 3, uncharted 2 and killzone 2 were all held back because of ps3's os.... this is clearly why ms killed sony this gen right?? :-\
Lol at the desperation here .. Frosty " using text messages to set up games was a pain" ... Wow u never heard of game invites ? Apparently you never learned to actually use a ps3 ... Did you also know u can turn it on by pushing the big button on your controller?
Better Operating Games?
"Well right now Xbox has a better operating system AND better games. So what does that say about MS? " MS makes poorly coded, bug riddled software, Their policy of "ship it broken and we will fix it with updates when we get the time" is a well known company policy. MS sells low quality commodity operating systems and software. This Bill Gates Hero worship just go's a little too far around here. remember, Bill G. is a business genius, not a software one.
@Catchmeonthat - How many alternative accounts do you need to create??? Also, how can you talk about exclusives, when neither console is out, and neither of them have confirmed which games are coming out when? Firstly, the facts are that Sony has consitently proven that they support their systems with exclusives, right from PS1, PS2, and PS3. PS4 will be no exception, there will continue to be loads of exclusives for the PlayStation. If MS can keep up with them, then hats off to them, but I seriously doubt they can put out as much games as Sony can. Secondly, $1 Billion means nothing when you consider that this is for the ENTIRE generation. That's right, the entire generation, and it probably include marketing costs, exclusive DLC from third parties. It won't last long.
Does PSLS knows that the rumour was false ?
Page clicks man, it's all about the page clicks.Integrity, honesty, investigative journalism? None of that applies to PSLS
I'm sorry but I think that PSLS is a very informative website for the PS world. Or you are maybe refering to whole video-game journalism in general ?
Sony have shown time and time againt here not software developers and the OS for ps3 and vita have been shockingly bad... the ps3 one is so simple in its design yet so clunky to get around... There hardware manufactures and designers at the heart and thats what theyll be forever... MS is the exact other way around which is why the 360 even with ads was a lot better fluent experience to use... i didnt feel like killing myself when i wanted to check my achievements as i had to stop playing for 10 mins for to load up...
Nah the XMB blew the 360 dashboard out of the water in terms of cohesiveness and aesthetics. So much so that MS had to update their interface into more of an XMB style interface (just with a ridiculous amount of ads and a marketplace for every single medium. Why not merge them?). Cannot speak for the Vita but it reminds me vaguely of iOS with bubbles. As for X1 and PS4, only time will tell, but both look like evolutions of the XMB (with inspiration from social media apps). I expect both to control a little better (or differently?) thanks to kinecton X1 and move/the touchpad on PS4.
Ten minutes .... Riiight ... With all the ads on xbl u would be lucky to find what you were looking for in ten min.
Both is what they have. These aren't mutually exclusive things. Beginning to understand why PSLS is banned from NeoGAF.
Sack the operating system, give me the games!!! Imagine a metroid prime style fps with ps4 graphics!!! ..... makes me faint just at the thought,,,some things are just too good to ever come true,. :(
Well, this is Killzone Shadowfall using less than 5 GB. http://www.cinemablend.com/... http://images.gamersyde.com... http://blogs-images.forbes.... So.... I don't know. The best of both worlds.
So you reply to my comment with "eh" and then write the exact same thing....
Your video was weird...
Dang that first pic blew me away thanks for the link.
Well the others are amazing too.
Yeah they are this will be my first PS4 title played when released..
Graphix r nice n all but the enviroment is very verry empty in the first screenshot. Very few polygons being pushed. High-res textures and cool lighting fx dont make a game impressive.
"Graphix r nice n all but the enviroment is very verry empty in the first screenshot." Until the player turns around.
Those could easily pass for a 2142 mod of BF3. Not even at its finest, truthfully. To me, it is not the graphical powerhouse people make it out to be.
Killzone Shadowfall still looks current gen. And the AI still sucks. You can be right behind your enemy and he still doesn't notice. Compare your images to Crysis 3. http://www.giantbomb.com/cr...
It actually looks better than Crysis 3, well... from those screenshots in that link anyway.
And how do you know the AI is bad? Have you played the game yet?
Im sorry, no offense but that was a fail. Im sure C3 looks good on pc max settings but those screens certainly dont show it. In fact Id be so bold as to say that Crysis doesnt do the cryengine justice.
@Seathe I did see the gameplay. The AI sucks. The enemy won't notice you unless you're in the direct line of fire or shooting at them. You could walk behind the enemy, lay down, and take a nap. I want next gen AI not artificial stupidity.
Could you show me in a link? You made it sounds like a stealth situation, which would justify the AI not taking note of you.
Anyway, what you saw wasn't a representitive of the final product. Only then will i give fair judgements... unlike your overreactions...
The AI is realistic. They have to see, hear, or hear from other AI that you are behind them. You must think Call of Duty AI is good because they are so static they always know where the player is. That is how it works in real life. You don't just magically know someone is behind you and in the heat of battle not everyone will realize someone is flanking them on there own. KillZone has some of the best AI this gen. Artificial Intelligence is not about being smart and knowing where the player is. It is about emulating a humans senses and reactions, artificially, in the virtual world and this does that great. They act like real players do. Of course if you don't play on higher settings their reaction time and reactions themselves aren't going to be as smart.
crysis 3 was held back by current gen consoles and to tell you the truth; it doesn't even look that good. And neither do the characters. Oh and by the way, say hi to The Dark Sorcerer. http://images.gamersyde.com... http://images.gamersyde.com... This tech demo was still using the engine from beyond two souls and it ran between 30 to 90 frames per second because it wasn't optimized. This stuff is totally doable on next gen consoles, especially the ps4. And before you say that this comparison is not fair because the dark sorcerer is a "small" tech demo and crysis 3 is a game with huge open levels; the xbox 36o and ps3 were able to run it. Both extremely outdated.
Ah those still screens -_- srsly though i wudnt trust gurelia games just look what they did with kz2... looked amazing at e3 or w.e then at release it was half of what they shown in terms of graphical fidelity
False. KZ2 wasnt everything they were aiming for but it exceeded the target render in some ways. People should understand what a target renders purpose is.
So... you think GG would do that again? Really? You're really reaching there. Anything to make the competetion look bad right?
@Heartnet "srsly though i wudnt trust gurelia games just look what they did with kz2... looked amazing at e3 or w.e then at release it was half of what they shown in terms of graphical fidelity" im my opinion you are talking out your @ss. An in my opinion, They were the one of the only development studios aside from , ND and just a few other's to reach [email protected] when you state that "release it was half of what they shown in terms of graphical fidelity" It maybe your opinion, but it is one i do not even think is a very realistic opinion @ that.
Shadowfall looks amazing. I kind of wish those guys at guerilla weren't always under so much stress. First delivering upon E3 2005 and now delivering a system seller in time for launch. Then again... KZ2 was a bit better than 3 so maybe they work better under pressure?
Wow! Nice pics
Why compromise on either when it's a hypothetical question? Weird. I want both to be better.
Bubble up .
seeing as its classed as a games console. GAMES!!!!!
Not alright in this generation... why would you get a games console that only plays games when there is a decent enough other console that plays great games and has other multi-media features? they have to have both... if 1 has they all have to.. and in the recession people want things to have everything as its cheaper that way
So the PS4 doesn't play music or movies, or surf the web? It doesn't do Blu Ray, DVD, or CDs? It ONLY plays games, right? Not any of that stuff I've listed that Sony's confirmed it does. Sure glad you cleared that up.
Simple, both should be better.
I would think games would be the obvious answer. Back in the day, consoles didn't have an OS that the user could see or interact with.
Imagine if we still have ps2 level of an OS on next generation consoles. Emm.. Yeah no thanks.
Imagine if all the resources used to pretty up an OS for people like you were used for games. Crazy right? But yeah, no you're right, let's have a cool OS because that matters so much.
It's a balance between both. If all you care about is graphics then why don't you get yourself a PC? A lot of the features and the possibilities of a well made OS compliment gaming, not go against it. Party chat, streaming and recording, instant turning on and switching between games and joining gaming sessions, and lots more. Consoles aren't and won't ever be the ultimate graphical powerhouses if all you care about is extra juice for the graphics.
@DragonKnight, it's enough ram for games for now. Surely the OS isn't gonna be using all the ram that is currently allocated to it, they are just future-proofing the console. As time goes on, they will give ram back to the games, they can't do it the other way around if they want some cool new feature that they don't have enough ram for. So, taking more than they need at first is the only way to secure that ram for possible new and cool OS features. The OS is based on FreeBSD, which has an extremely small memory footprint, has great security, and is exceptional at multitasking. All the devs have been going on about how much extra ram they have so far, and some even saying they aren't sure what to do with it all yet. So, it should be fine, and by the time devs would be ready to start whining about memory restraints, they'll probably have already been given back another 1GB or so.
@Dark-Hollow That makes too much sense. Dragon knight is under the impression that a pretty OS will somehow take away from the games being made. @Dragon How about we revert back to MS-DOS and have a command line only. I bet that will free up all the resources for the games you think will need all that extra resource. Good luck navigating through a command line and trying to easily find content on PSN or seamlessly download your favorite DLC. Back in the day we didn't have robust online store, digital content, online multiplayer, HD graphics, etc. etc. etc. But yeah, no you're right, let's all remember how consoles were back in the days.
Wow, look at all the OS fans and of course the "league of his own" Xbox Fun. Just a question now. Who says that resources have to be dedicated to graphics to make a better game? Such narrow-minded gamers these days. People seem to forget that consoles haven't had OS' for very long and gaming was better back in the glory days. If you think that a pretty OS makes for better gaming, your experiences are pretty limited. **EDIT** @Xbox Fun: What gaming console had an MS-DOS command line only hmmm? Oh right, none. That was PC. Yeah, maybe you want to make sure you proof read what you type before you post comments. I'm not surprised though, with a name like Xbox Fun, it's easy to see what kind of comments you'll be making.
"But yeah, no you're right, let's have a cool OS because that matters so much." are you stuck in a time warp or something? they go hand in hand. anyone who has used the ps3 last generation knows the frustration of doing certain applications like joining friends games. or ever cross game chatting. if the os can be running constantly then there wouldn't be a need to always have to sign in and out for example. multitasking has become a wanted feature as well. get with the times! "People seem to forget that consoles haven't had OS' for very long and gaming was better back in the glory days. If you think that a pretty OS makes for better gaming, your experiences are pretty limited." you can have the best of both worlds now. the ps4 will have great games and a better operating system, how about that? shocking isnt it.
@dragonknight You keep referring to the "good ol' days" too much. Are the old consoles "better" than today's solely for the reason that they don't have an OS? no. It's not 1993 anymore, consoles are evolving to deliver an experience like never before, but anyway, having good OS and good games aren't mutually exclusive from each other.
This isnt "back in the day" tho. Technology evolves over time. Video game consoles evolve over time. Video games evolve over time. The more evolved these consoles get, the more STUFF they're gonna be able to do. With today's standard for gaming, social interaction is a fundamental necessity. Having party chat, text chat, voice and video chat. Being able to talk to your friends during games or even when your'e not playing a game. People like that ability to engage in social integration with their friends and peers. This takes up a certain amount of RAM reserved for the OS. Being able to access your web browser while in game, pull up guides and video walkthru's or look for cheats...or even if you wanna check your email or facebook messages, without having to save and quit the game your'e playing. All that takes up a certain amount of RAM reserved for the OS. Being able to hit the SHARE button and upload little 15 minute clips of your gameplay to your friends, sharing those epic moments in gaming or simply being able to show your homies what part in the game your'e stuck at. All that takes up a certain amount of RAM reserved for the OS. Being able to listen to your own custom soundtracks, your own MP3's on your HDD while in game, instead of being restricted to the soundtracks the developers force on you. Being able to access the PSN store while in game or in a party chat and download that new AAA title. All of that takes up a certain amount of RAM reserved for the OS. Being able to access Gaikai's cloud service, download or stream games in the background while in game, the ability to do multiple things at once. All of that takes up a certain amount of RAM reserved for the OS. Then you got the dashboard, itself...which manages your account as well as your friends, purchases, trophies and advertisements. One could say that if you wanna be able to do most of those things, you could simply just use a PC and use your gaming console for gaming. BUT...gaming consoles are moving ever closer to being PC's and are now able to do many of the things a PC can now do. They've made it so that if you prefer...you dont HAVE to rely on your PC for these extra things. Console developers are trying to make a console that can be a multimedia machine and service ALL of your needs...from one device in your living room. And if they have to reserve a little bit of RAM to be able to pull that off, while still being able to produce high quality games...so be it. You people are acting like the games are gonna suffer dramatically, just because Sony has chosen to reserve a couple gigs for the OS. Calm down, folks. Thats not the case.
In a choice between games being better, or an OS that doesn't have anything to do with the game at all being better, which part of a gaming console is more important? You can list all of the technical feats of the Present Day all you want to but the fact of the matter remains that when you're in the game, none of that matters. Having the best possible game comes first and that's why you buy a console and a game. Anyone who buys a console for how pretty the OS is is in the wrong hobby.
Next gen games are already "better"...just by sheer technical evolution. They dont need to reserve every single GB of RAM for the games for the end user to fully enjoy their experience. Having an efficient OS is equally important with today's consoles, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And I can guarantee you that if Sony gave the PS4 a shitty OS in order to allocate extra RAM for the games and just made it strictly a gaming console....it wouldnt sell as well, let alone keep up with the competition. In the end, the point is moot. This is what Sony is doing. This is the direction Sony is taking the PS4 and this is the direction gaming consoles as a general whole, is going. It's already a done deal. I suggest you get with the times, man.
This is a hypothetical question, not a literal one. To suggest that games can't get better is to admit naivety. There is always room for improvement, always something new to be done. An OS is just a superficial addition in a game console. "Having an efficient OS is equally important with today's consoles." Only if you care about extras. Like I said, if your reason for buying a game console isn't firstly because of wanting the best possible games, and you care that much about an OS, you're in the wrong hobby. In this hypothetical question of which I would want my PS4 to have better, games will always come first. I'm a gamer first, an individual that requires multimedia in one "box" last.
Well, lucky for all Sony gamers...we get both; a great OS and great games. So the hypothetical question of which would you prefer more...is irrelevant. It just serves to create controversy over various, differing opinions and preferences. And to that degree, the article in question...has been successful. As a gamer and admitted Sony fanboy, I do want the best possible games the machine can produce, with today's current tech. And I am satisfied and confident that even with 5.5GB of RAM, the PS3 will deliver. No doubt. And that's good enough for me. In the same vein, I also see the benefits of having a high performance OS and yes, I do like the extra perks that comes along with it. Are they necessary? Of course not? Can the PS4 function just fine without it? Sure it can. Would I buy it without being able to multitask all my multimedia needs, and serving to function soley as a gaming device? NOPE! And that doesnt mean Im in the wrong hobby, either. It just means I know what I like in a gaming console and what Im looking for. My preferences. As a gamer, my first priority is to the games. No doubt. But when im done playing games and I want to listen to music, it better be able to play my music. If I wanna watch a movie on my external HDD, it better play my movies. If I wanna voice chat with my friends, it better let me do that, etc... I'm a high maintenance gamer, and I fully expect Sony to accommodate all my needs and preferences, even when they're not limited to JUST GAMES. I dont want a million different devices for doing a million different things. I want an All-In-One device. Microsoft had the right idea...they just did it wrong. Sony will do it better. ^_-
Lol, look at Dragon backed into a corner for his ridiculous comments and has to resort to name calling. News flash Dragon, back in the days consoles couldn't support OS, multiplayer or 3D graphics. Did the consoles back in the days offer extra content, movies, music, features, downloadable games? What is even funnier is that you are calling us narrow minded for telling you that consoles can have both a great OS and great games. But you refuse to accept this and in the same breath call us narrow minded. "What gaming console had an MS-DOS command line only hmmm?" Wow, way to miss and duck over the point eh? Maybe I could say this again slowly for you so you can understand...ready... With a command line only, there would be no need for an OS on consoles as you suggest. Then you can use your non OS command line to find content on your favored PS4. Good luck using commands finding the content you need in a non GUI. You see Mr. Knight this is called satire I am using what you are so foolishly talking about and making fun by providing sarcasm and ridicule to criticize your faults.
"Lol, look at Dragon backed into a corner for his ridiculous comments and has to resort to name calling." Backed into a corner? You wish. This is a hypothetical situation thus nothing has disproven anything I've said because it's not a real situation. "News flash Dragon, back in the days consoles couldn't support OS, multiplayer or 3D graphics. Did the consoles back in the days offer extra content, movies, music, features, downloadable games?" Says you. You don't know if consoles could have been programmed to have an OS, they just weren't. BTW, how is movies improving the games at all hmmm? It's not? Ok then. "What is even funnier is that you are calling us narrow minded for telling you that consoles can have both a great OS and great games. But you refuse to accept this and in the same breath call us narrow minded." Swing and a miss slugger. Try again. "Wow, way to miss and duck over the point eh? Maybe I could say this again slowly for you so you can understand...ready..." I think you mean duck under the point. But anyway, I didn't miss anything, what you said was just stupid. "With a command line only, there would be no need for an OS on consoles as you suggest." And you still didn't answer the question. Which console do you remember that had an MS-DOS command line? None. Consoles had neither an OS or MS-DOS, your point is irrelevant. "Then you can use your non OS command line to find content on your favored PS4. Good luck using commands finding the content you need in a non GUI. You see Mr. Knight this is called satire I am using what you are so foolishly talking about and making fun by providing sarcasm and ridicule to criticize your faults." Don't quit your day job. I mean, people are laughing, but it's at you not with you.
why bother responding if your not going to address the point? a game console like the ps4 can have great games and a good operating system. stop trying to force your opinion on everyone like yours matters the most. the ps3 could be a pain in the ass signing in and out to play a game youve been invited to. it couldnt do cross game chatting because of limited ram. your whole views reeks of yesterday of someone who just likes to play offline by himself. thats great but game consoles can do a lot more now. nothing at all wrong with that. even if the ps4 only allocated 4gb of ram for developers thats still a hell of a lot. you seem to suffer from passive aggressive behavior with no real interest discussing anything with anyone. just trying to hammer your own views. look at your opening statement, "I would think games would be the obvious answer. Back in the day, consoles didn't have an OS that the user could see or interact with." yeah well, you can still use a rotary phone too if you want. you act like having a os is a bad thing. games on the ps4 can be streamed faster, can be downloaded in sections (such as single player or multiplayer) to start faster. you can send tweets, facebook, upload video and all of those social things while playing a game. you will be able to use the playstation store while your game is running. so what is so wrong with all of that? absolutely nothing because you dont have to do any of that. you can still play a game by yourself. "I mean, people are laughing, but it's at you not with you." people are also laughing at those who think game consoles should work like they did in the 80's.
Jesus you are dense. Again: ***You see Mr. Knight this is called satire I am using what you are so foolishly talking about and making fun by providing sarcasm and ridicule to criticize your faults.*** "You don't know if consoles could have been programmed to have an OS, they just weren't." That was pretty stupid, this tells me everything about your logic. Consoles didn't have an OS because they couldn't. You need at least 1 gig to run an OS, consoles didn't even have close to that much back then. "BTW, how is movies improving the games at all hmmm? It's not? Ok then." Huh? What does movies have to do...what are you talking about? Are we talking OS's or movies? Because I just saw The Conjuring and it was awesome. "Don't quit your day job. I mean, people are laughing, but it's at you not with you." Ouch, I can see nerves were struck. I apologize, reading the many comments under yours it appears maybe you just don't get what everyone is trying to tell you. But then again, a fool argues what he doesn't know. Edit: Okay Dragon, enlighten me, what OS doesn't need at least a gig to function correctly? I see you like to call people names but then provide ZERO back up. What OS could an older console use that wouldn't require a gig and run the features we have today decently? "You're the one that first brought up movies." *SMH*, I also brought up music and downloadable games. This is all in reference to the EXTRA FEATURES found on your system that an OS with a pretty GUI can easily provide to the end user. But then again, reading the many comments under you ...oh yea I already said that. Didn't disagree with me there now did you.