Everyone's gone baa-rmy
While the topic has quietened down a little over the past couple of years, cross-game chat was just one of the many failings of the PlayStation 3.
I'll leave this here. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
I'll leave this here. http://www.neogaf.com/forum... Last post is the same poster as the one Majin is quoting, 'cept now he's heard from an industry insider.
The PS4 still has more available RAM than the Xbox One and uses more for the OS than the Xbox One. Pending this is true. Either way, I'm not worried about it. A reallocated PS4 still trumps the Xbox One specs. Ouch.
@MariaHelFutura You fail at basic mathematics
Both have 8GB so it's not possible that either of them has more RAM for OS AND games compared to the other.
@ign15 I must have missed the part where Sony said games have 7GB available. All they said is that the system has 8GB.
Awesome post man! (Y) I wish there was a section of Gaf or just a website that was only insider rumors and opinions that was like N4G, you could upvote consistently right insiders, and downvote phoneys.
1st - It's 5.5gbs available 2nd - even if 4.5gbs of gddr5> 5gbs of ddr3. 3rd - The PS4's OS would know be greater than the Xbox One. Since 3.5gbs of gddr5 > 3gbs of ddr3, by alot. 4th - How are guys celebrating a rumor that still leaves the Xbox One specs behind. A reallocated PS4 is still the better cheaper system w/ now a more powerful OS. Bravo. http://www.g3ar.co.za/gifs/... And remember this is a rumor and if this isn't true, things are gonna get fun.
Quoted from the link provided above by Convas.. Current PS4 dev specs "-At most, the OS uses 1.5GB, with a good amount of that helping the HD recording feature and on the fly switching/ multi tasking -4.5GB is indeed about what's available for devs at present. -1GB is set aside for futureproofing OS operations down the line. -1GB for developer reserve, should they need it Finally as an important point, I'm being told the faster RAM in the PS4 does in fact make a huge difference."
all xbots here need to chill with the disagrees .. OT: i think the ram comparison didnt change a bit GDDR5 > DDR3 fact 512 MB GDDR > 1 GB DDR3 ''for gpu" fact and 5.5 GBs >> 5 GBs fact
Specs don't matter: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... Respawn talks about Cloud gaming: http://www.respawn.com/news... The PS4 is just a kinectless XBONE with an inferior CLOUD, and less money to spend on exclusives.
As the guy stated in the link, the OS is not set in stone. Sony wants to be cautious in case MS,Nintendo,Steam comes out with a new unique idea that they can "copy" of. Hell, maybe some of the ram will be dedicated for the PSeye.. Microsoft needs ram this for legroom for the back ground features like TV watching, skype, etc, aka a Media Center. However history shows that Sony releases lower OS footprints over the years with their firmware updates. I can't imagine MS would do the same as they would rather have the ram dedicated to type of background app. http://www.dailytech.com/So...
@MariaHelFutura Your fanboy comments are hilarious!!!! "The PS4 still has more available RAM than the Xbox One" ... LOL "It's 5.5gbs available" ...... LOL loudly.... "even if 4.5gbs of gddr5> 5gbs of ddr3." .....LMFAO.... GDDR5 was a good choice by sony, but why do you think the PS4 "HAS" to have more ram available than XB1? who cares? the games will still be great..... "The PS4's OS would know be greater than the Xbox One. Since 3.5gbs of gddr5 > 3gbs of ddr3, by alot." ....... LMFAO!!!!!....Fell of my chair too!!!! Please dont stop commenting.....still LMFAO whilst on the floor!!!
@Rhinocerus Less money for exclusives?? BAHAHA, that's rich considering the PS3 is STILL firing on all cylinders this year in : GOW Ascension Sly Cooper Thieves in Time NiNoKuni TLOU Beyond Puppeteer MLB13 The Show Until Dawn Dust Tekken Revolution GranTurismo 6 Ratchet&Clank into the Nexus Hotline Miami Guacamelee etc ..while the 360 has been relegated to scraps like Dark at 38% metacritic and Double Dragon2 at 17%. X1 lacks the FTP and indy support PS4 already has with stuff like Planetside and DCUO, but keep talking about imaginary clouds. Funny thing is, the Cloud storage on PS3 is more than 360 as we speak, so I think you're betting on the wrong rainmaker
This reminds me I need to pick up some new flip flops at Walmart. All the good flip flops are buried at the bottom. Kinda like how N4G buries Sony news. What's funny is people here assumed all the features Sony keeps adding wouldn't use extra system resources.
The Witness uses 5GBs... so how can the PS4 have 4.5 GBs of RAM for devs?
Or maybe Jonathan Blow thought he would be using that, or maybe sony payed him to lie. Seriously does the witness really looks like it need 5 gigs to run?
Devs can use 5.5GB. That's what the reserve is for
If the witness needs 5 GB of ram too run, Blow needs to find a new career.
I believe he said it wants to use 5GB not that it uses 5GB. Not sure though. And even if it does he is more than likely loading the full game world onto the RAM instead of just in chunks. It's entirely possible he is using all the available RAM, but there are many different ways devs can use it and people need to realize that before they mindlessly bash somebody.(Not you iPad, BTW)
Jonathan Blow is a loudmouth idiot. I'm sick of him.
here is how i look at it we went from 512MB to 5 plus GB of ram why all the complaining? and if someone pre ordered a ps4/xbox one just for ram than they should go ahead and cancel, halo 4 looks stunning last of us looks stunning both using how much ram again? please for the love of gaming just stop this nonsense. let the system come out before we start judging them, let the developers make few games on them before we say its specs are not good enough again 512MB to over 5GB of the fastest ram xbox360 also i think 512 or 1GB ram to 5 plus
You're right, 512, and that was only at the last minute because Epic asked them to up it for Gears. The whole point is that many in the Sony camp were lording the RAM advantage over the Xbox side, so this is all a slice of comeuppance, regardless if totally accurate or not. In the end the difference we should focus on is the 10x generational leap for BOTH.
gamertk421 both consoles are almost identical when it comes to specs, we will see how different developers find more ways to use the systems to their fullest one day on n4g its how MS have gone back to caring about gamers next day sony still has advantage i feel like this fanboys war takes the fun out of gaming and there is barely any common sense used in arguments
Those number of RAM means nothing to gamers, it's for the developers to worry on how to use those available RAM. It's pointless to argue about which system has more RAM if the developer sucks, even a TB of RAM won't be able to help them.
only xbot are the ones complaining they finally had a chance to speak up
/cause Jonathan Blow is the embodiment of credibility.
is he known for lying or something? Because otherwise your comment makes no sense.
Game over man! http://25.media.tumblr.com/...
Fanboys are the cancer of gaming, I mean seriously what is the point of arguing about who has more who has less who's faster who's slower etc etc. People will buy what they want and the fact is the ones who argue are the ones who are either loyalists to Sony or Microsoft or can only afford one over the other. I will be enjoying the fruits of both consoles and a very happy camper playing Killzone, WatchDogs, Forza 5, DR3. I cannot wait!
@ s8anicslayer, In fact fanboys are the driving force behind the gaming industry. The industry needs passionate gamers like what we see here in this thread. These are the early adopters who Sony and Microsoft carefully outline their hardware for. When I read the back and forth of platform specific fans defending their position and their console of choice, despite much of the name calling and slurs, it is obvious why you see the monolithic corporations reversing their policies to satisfy the needs of their loyal users and maintain that competitive edge against the stiff competition. Don't for one second assume Sony and Microsoft are not reading this threads to know how to give their loyal users what they want. Sure, like you I'll be basking in the glory of both platforms eventually...however, just because I work in the industry doesn't mean I have the luxury of buying both next-gen systems at launch. Making the right initial choice is very important for the mass majority of serious gamers and these threads of fanboy debates over what seem unimportant like the difference in RAM specifics really is important.
Not even close dude.. These casuals you hate so much are the vast majority. Early adopters will grab the majority of the first million as a bunch of tech loving casuals gets some as well.. Given this gens sales.. Who do you think is buying the other 74 million units? Fanboys are like .1%.. Nobody takes a fanboy seriously anyways because they are all complete idiots to be honest.
But, if people weren't "bleating" about it, you wouldn't have been able to write an opinion piece and get hits off of the same rumor!
Bah, meant to agree. I'm glad ms decided to join the fight. They've really turned it around lately. Things are just more exciting when it's not a one horse race. On topic It will be 5.5 gb to start, with Sony sitting on a gb ready to implement any hot feature it can copy from a competitor. And if that feature doesn't come, it will be allocated to games. Also you'd have to think both X1 and ps4 will optimize (shrink) their OS over time. So that will eventually free up more memory for both systems to put towards games as well. Either way 5gb at the start of next gen is more than enough for these consoles.
I really don't want to start a war, but is what I have to say about the specs PS4 GPU SPECS GPU: 1840 GFLOPS ROPS: 32 Gpixels/s: 25.6 Shaders: 1152 Clock: 800MHz Performance: 1.84TFLOPS The PS4 is comparable to your average Mid range PC in terms of graphics performance. Not top of the line, but very capable. Will meet next-gen expectations in console terms. Xbox One GPU specs GPU: 1230 ROPs: 16 Gpixels/s: 12.8 Shaders: 768 clock: 800MHz Performance: 1.230TFLOPS The Xbox One is comparable to your average entry level PC in terms of graphics performance. The GPU is comparable to an HD 7790 which can max out "certain" demanding titles in 1080P with an FPS of slightly over 30. It "May" be lackluster in the years to come. http://www.tomshardware.com... www.gameranx.com/updates/id/1 5862/article/ps4-vs-xbox-one--- who-has-the-better-gpu-revealed / PS4 Memory specs Amount: 8GB Type: GDDR5 Amount allocated for games: 4.5GB Speed: 176GB/s PS4 RAM is seen in entry, mild, high, and ultra high end PC desktop GPU's today. Some will talk about the latency issue for the CPU, but Mark Cerny explained that it won't be a worrying factor. http://www.dualshockers.com... Xbox One memory specs Amount: 8GB Type: DDR3 Amount allocated for games: 5GB Speed: 68GB/s Xbox One RAM is commonly seen for System RAM in a desktop PC. For graphics, the last time Nvidia or AMD used DDR3 as memory for graphics in a mild or high end GPU was back in 2008 (5 years ago) in their HD 4000 and GTX 9000 card series. Xbox One Ram is fine for it's CPU, but will it be fine for it's GPU especially in meeting today's standards? At the end of the day, the PS4 sounds like a more powerful system, but you have the right as consumer to chose the system you prefer. Isn't that amazing! Xbox One offers the Kinect 2.0 witch is seems to be far more capable than the PS4eye in terms of resolution, but the PS4eye will determine real 3D dept with 2 cameras while the Kinect 2.0 will determine dept from a 2D image taken from one camera. http://www.thehdroom.com/ne... http://gizmodo.com/kinect-2... The Xbox One will offer great launch exclusives, the same with PS4. Sony has a great deal of First party developers and MS is pushing to have more first party developers by investing in new studios. MS cloud (Azure) will boost the performance of Xbox Live(not the graphics of the Xbox One, anyone with decent hardware/network knowledge knows this),these brand new servers are ready to be switched on when the Xbox One launches. Any developer will be allowed to use them to offload the game AI (Less things running on the APU means more power that can be harnessed to improve the graphics) and/or used them as dedicated servers. PS4 cloud and Gaikai will allow backward compatibility in older PlayStation titles. http://kotaku.com/5985810/t... I made my choice, have you?
"Some will talk about the latency issue for the CPU, but Mark Cerny explained that it won't be a worrying factor. " Well thank god mark cerny said so.. Who needs proof as long it comes from Sony right? /smacks head
Man, those Tweets make Blow seem quite (dare I say it) lazy... many good points were made against him... why suddenly does Blow feel he "needs" over 5gb of memory. Maybe The Witness is something that amazing... maybe not. Though I'm not necessarily against more than 8gb of ram though. Seeing that a good portion is dedicated to OS, I feel another portion should be dedicated to cloud processing (just bare with me) as well. So you'd have ram dedicated towards OS, Cloud, and Local game processing.. If the Cloud's biggest downside is it's latency, wouldn't it be avoidable by caching the processed data onto a good portion of dedicated RAM?? Example: 12gb total ram can be allocated - 3gb OS, 6gb game, 3gb cloud,
I don't see why people are getting so worked up over this. 4.5 (or 5.5) is enough to give you great looking games.
they know nothing! which is why it was funny when alot of people were blabbing about 7>5 in respect to the ps4 and xbox and how much ram was being allocated to games. Shoot most Pc games only use 5-6 gb of ram. Now alot of people who were boasting about that advantage are flip flopping and saying it doesnt matter which was true all along 5 gbs of ram is more than enough.
To be fair, fanboys will be fanboys regardless of the flag they carry. The stupidity isn't exclusive nor greater on either side.
For the moment, but keep in mind you will still use it in 5-6 years or further. In 5+years every extra RAM space will be precious. PC games are not optimized they need to make the game run on a lot of different hardware configurations plus you also need to add the RAM from the GPU.
Not according to the fanboys last week.... Where is Mark Cerny when you need him? Oh, he's with his "wife". Lol. Lol. Lol.
Was this an attempt of a joke?? I died
A joke? If you like....
Are you saying Cerny does not care about his legion of fanboys? Ah c'mon.... Thats not right.... Maria, remove knee pads, get up and go home.... Cerny is not coming.... ( no pun intended )
Because fanboys care more about bragging rights than the games.
Hear, hear! Everyone should just STFU and let the devs worry about how much RAM they have to play with.
Now you tell us. Though RAM was More important than The GPU or CPU for about 4 months now. That's all I heard. When I upgrade PC's in the pass, RAM only helped when there was TOO LITTLE to run the software. Now it is being touted as the component that will increase computing power. I mostly just read this stuff and not get into a big fight over this penis size thing. I will just wait until the games are made and like the Dev's said "there will be little to no difference between versions."
Yeah the people saying more RAM is gonna add magical power to the console are ignorant. 5.5GB of GDDR5 no doubt is gonna be plenty for 5-6 years. Then Sony can optimize the OS to reduce the footprint and unlock over 6GB for devs, same with X1. People need to stop jumping the gun too as well. Also RAM was one of the more important things this new gen. Last gen they had too little at the end and now I think they will max the GPU and CPU before they hit a RAM limit.
I guess the people downvoting us are the ones that think RAM is the only important thing in a console/PC.
I care more about being able to swap the HDD and not have to buy an official one. MS likes to overcharge for HDD, where Sony states any 2.5 SATA will do. As games are getting bigger and bigger, eventually you will run out of space.
You can use external storage solutions on both systems - and proprietary storage is not required (or even offered).
Or unlimited cloud storage for damn near everything it seems.. Can't grab the link on my phone but its been posted on here somewhere
No big deal, the games will still look amazing. Lol
Most games don't use above 3 gigs, so why are people getting worked up about it? All i know is that, the games will look great and play great. Stop arguing and play games, is it that hard?
PS4 : Preorder cancelled.
Serious? It's not a big deal, If anything Sony are prepared to give RAM back to developers if need be(that's if these rumours even hold any weight in the first place) Look at KZSF or Infamous, they look exceptional, as do some of Microsoft's exclusives. I will be the proud owner of both systems before the year is out...
You're making too much sense bro. Pick a side
One of the most logical post on I've seen on this article and you only have 3 bubbles. Freaking blasphemy!!
I doubt you had a PS4 pre-ordered to begin with.
Pretty much.. http://n4g.com/news/1316708...
Seriously, look at his comment history, massive xbot, he even commented saying specs don't matter and now he is "cancelling a PS4"
Ksar isn't saying anything different than you guys did when the Xbone was getting negative press. It's called Karma
Xbots, ROLL OUT!
You sure you cancelled it? Seems like ps4 bundles are on fire on amazon again. 4>1 people if developers aren't complaining about it then no one should. Like the guy from octodad said "Nothing for anyone besides a dev to worry about". It seems like now a days everyone on here knows how to make games and what not.
It's kinda ironic how last gen people were complaining about the ps3 having less in-game features such as cross game chat due to insufficient RAM, and now sony has left a shit ton of RAM for such things and people are losing their hair.