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Why You Should Stop Bleating About the PS4's RAM

Everyone's gone baa-rmy
While the topic has quietened down a little over the past couple of years, cross-game chat was just one of the many failings of the PlayStation 3.

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Convas1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

I'll leave this here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Last post is the same poster as the one Majin is quoting, 'cept now he's heard from an industry insider.

MariaHelFutura1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

The PS4 still has more available RAM than the Xbox One and uses more for the OS than the Xbox One. Pending this is true. Either way, I'm not worried about it.

A reallocated PS4 still trumps the Xbox One specs. Ouch.

IcicleTrepan1014d ago

@MariaHelFutura You fail at basic mathematics

OrangePowerz1014d ago

Both have 8GB so it's not possible that either of them has more RAM for OS AND games compared to the other.

lgn151014d ago BadLanguageShow
OrangePowerz1014d ago

@ign15

I must have missed the part where Sony said games have 7GB available. All they said is that the system has 8GB.

slimeybrainboy1014d ago

Awesome post man! (Y) I wish there was a section of Gaf or just a website that was only insider rumors and opinions that was like N4G, you could upvote consistently right insiders, and downvote phoneys.

MariaHelFutura1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

1st - It's 5.5gbs available

2nd - even if 4.5gbs of gddr5> 5gbs of ddr3.

3rd - The PS4's OS would know be greater than the Xbox One. Since 3.5gbs of gddr5 > 3gbs of ddr3, by alot.

4th - How are guys celebrating a rumor that still leaves the Xbox One specs behind. A reallocated PS4 is still the better cheaper system w/ now a more powerful OS. Bravo.

http://www.g3ar.co.za/gifs/...

And remember this is a rumor and if this isn't true, things are gonna get fun.

Boody-Bandit1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

Quoted from the link provided above by Convas..
Current PS4 dev specs

"-At most, the OS uses 1.5GB, with a good amount of that helping the HD recording feature and on the fly switching/ multi tasking

-4.5GB is indeed about what's available for devs at present.

-1GB is set aside for futureproofing OS operations down the line.

-1GB for developer reserve, should they need it

Finally as an important point, I'm being told the faster RAM in the PS4 does in fact make a huge difference."

black0o1014d ago

all xbots here need to chill with the disagrees ..
OT: i think the ram comparison didnt change a bit
GDDR5 > DDR3 fact
512 MB GDDR > 1 GB DDR3 ''for gpu" fact
and 5.5 GBs >> 5 GBs fact

Rhinoceros1014d ago

Specs don't matter:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

Respawn talks about Cloud gaming:

http://www.respawn.com/news...

The PS4 is just a kinectless XBONE with an inferior CLOUD, and less money to spend on exclusives.

Omegasyde1014d ago

As the guy stated in the link, the OS is not set in stone. Sony wants to be cautious in case MS,Nintendo,Steam comes out with a new unique idea that they can "copy" of. Hell, maybe some of the ram will be dedicated for the PSeye..

Microsoft needs ram this for legroom for the back ground features like TV watching, skype, etc, aka a Media Center.

However history shows that Sony releases lower OS footprints over the years with their firmware updates. I can't imagine MS would do the same as they would rather have the ram dedicated to type of background app.

http://www.dailytech.com/So...

slampunk1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

@MariaHelFutura

Your fanboy comments are hilarious!!!!

"The PS4 still has more available RAM than the Xbox One" ... LOL

"It's 5.5gbs available" ...... LOL loudly....

"even if 4.5gbs of gddr5> 5gbs of ddr3." .....LMFAO....

GDDR5 was a good choice by sony, but why do you think the PS4 "HAS" to have more ram available than XB1? who cares? the games will still be great.....

"The PS4's OS would know be greater than the Xbox One. Since 3.5gbs of gddr5 > 3gbs of ddr3, by alot." .......

LMFAO!!!!!....Fell of my chair too!!!!

Please dont stop commenting.....still LMFAO whilst on the floor!!!

trouble_bubble1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

@Rhinocerus
Less money for exclusives?? BAHAHA, that's rich considering the PS3 is STILL firing on all cylinders this year in :
GOW Ascension
Sly Cooper Thieves in Time
NiNoKuni
TLOU
Beyond
Puppeteer
MLB13 The Show
Until Dawn
Dust
Tekken Revolution
GranTurismo 6
Ratchet&Clank into the Nexus
Hotline Miami
Guacamelee etc

..while the 360 has been relegated to scraps like Dark at 38% metacritic and Double Dragon2 at 17%.

X1 lacks the FTP and indy support PS4 already has with stuff like Planetside and DCUO, but keep talking about imaginary clouds. Funny thing is, the Cloud storage on PS3 is more than 360 as we speak, so I think you're betting on the wrong rainmaker

ALLWRONG1014d ago

This reminds me I need to pick up some new flip flops at Walmart. All the good flip flops are buried at the bottom. Kinda like how N4G buries Sony news.

What's funny is people here assumed all the features Sony keeps adding wouldn't use extra system resources.

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iPad1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

The Witness uses 5GBs... so how can the PS4 have 4.5 GBs of RAM for devs?

whoyouwit041014d ago

Or maybe Jonathan Blow thought he would be using that, or maybe sony payed him to lie. Seriously does the witness really looks like it need 5 gigs to run?

trouble_bubble1014d ago

Devs can use 5.5GB. That's what the reserve is for

NegativeCreepWA1014d ago

If the witness needs 5 GB of ram too run, Blow needs to find a new career.

nnodley1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

I believe he said it wants to use 5GB not that it uses 5GB. Not sure though.

And even if it does he is more than likely loading the full game world onto the RAM instead of just in chunks. It's entirely possible he is using all the available RAM, but there are many different ways devs can use it and people need to realize that before they mindlessly bash somebody.(Not you iPad, BTW)

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UnHoly_One1013d ago

Jonathan Blow is a loudmouth idiot.

I'm sick of him.

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showtimefolks1014d ago

here is how i look at it we went from 512MB to 5 plus GB of ram why all the complaining?

and if someone pre ordered a ps4/xbox one just for ram than they should go ahead and cancel,

halo 4 looks stunning
last of us looks stunning

both using how much ram again? please for the love of gaming just stop this nonsense. let the system come out before we start judging them, let the developers make few games on them before we say its specs are not good enough

again 512MB to over 5GB of the fastest ram

xbox360 also i think 512 or 1GB ram to 5 plus

gamertk4211014d ago

You're right, 512, and that was only at the last minute because Epic asked them to up it for Gears. The whole point is that many in the Sony camp were lording the RAM advantage over the Xbox side, so this is all a slice of comeuppance, regardless if totally accurate or not. In the end the difference we should focus on is the 10x generational leap for BOTH.

showtimefolks1014d ago

gamertk421

both consoles are almost identical when it comes to specs, we will see how different developers find more ways to use the systems to their fullest

one day on n4g its how MS have gone back to caring about gamers

next day sony still has advantage

i feel like this fanboys war takes the fun out of gaming and there is barely any common sense used in arguments

Narutone661014d ago

Those number of RAM means nothing to gamers, it's for the developers to worry on how to use those available RAM. It's pointless to argue about which system has more RAM if the developer sucks, even a TB of RAM won't be able to help them.

black0o1014d ago

only xbot are the ones complaining they finally had a chance to speak up

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BattleTorn1014d ago

/cause Jonathan Blow is the embodiment of credibility.

wishingW3L1014d ago

is he known for lying or something? Because otherwise your comment makes no sense.

s8anicslayer1014d ago

Fanboys are the cancer of gaming, I mean seriously what is the point of arguing about who has more who has less who's faster who's slower etc etc. People will buy what they want and the fact is the ones who argue are the ones who are either loyalists to Sony or Microsoft or can only afford one over the other. I will be enjoying the fruits of both consoles and a very happy camper playing Killzone, WatchDogs, Forza 5, DR3. I cannot wait!

Shadowolf1014d ago

@ s8anicslayer,

In fact fanboys are the driving force behind the gaming industry. The industry needs passionate gamers like what we see here in this thread. These are the early adopters who Sony and Microsoft carefully outline their hardware for.

When I read the back and forth of platform specific fans defending their position and their console of choice, despite much of the name calling and slurs, it is obvious why you see the monolithic corporations reversing their policies to satisfy the needs of their loyal users and maintain that competitive edge against the stiff competition.

Don't for one second assume Sony and Microsoft are not reading this threads to know how to give their loyal users what they want. Sure, like you I'll be basking in the glory of both platforms eventually...however, just because I work in the industry doesn't mean I have the luxury of buying both next-gen systems at launch. Making the right initial choice is very important for the mass majority of serious gamers and these threads of fanboy debates over what seem unimportant like the difference in RAM specifics really is important.

n4rc1014d ago

Not even close dude..

These casuals you hate so much are the vast majority. Early adopters will grab the majority of the first million as a bunch of tech loving casuals gets some as well..

Given this gens sales.. Who do you think is buying the other 74 million units?

Fanboys are like .1%.. Nobody takes a fanboy seriously anyways because they are all complete idiots to be honest.

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Christopher1014d ago

But, if people weren't "bleating" about it, you wouldn't have been able to write an opinion piece and get hits off of the same rumor!

JoySticksFTW1013d ago (Edited 1013d ago )

Bah, meant to agree.

I'm glad ms decided to join the fight. They've really turned it around lately.

Things are just more exciting when it's not a one horse race.

On topic

It will be 5.5 gb to start, with Sony sitting on a gb ready to implement any hot feature it can copy from a competitor.
And if that feature doesn't come, it will be allocated to games.

Also you'd have to think both X1 and ps4 will optimize (shrink) their OS over time. So that will eventually free up more memory for both systems to put towards games as well.

Either way 5gb at the start of next gen is more than enough for these consoles.

NimblePlay1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

I really don't want to start a war, but is what I have to say about the specs

PS4 GPU SPECS
GPU: 1840 GFLOPS
ROPS: 32
Gpixels/s: 25.6
Shaders: 1152
Clock: 800MHz
Performance: 1.84TFLOPS

The PS4 is comparable to your average Mid range PC in terms of graphics performance. Not top of the line, but very capable. Will meet next-gen expectations in console terms.

Xbox One GPU specs
GPU: 1230
ROPs: 16
Gpixels/s: 12.8
Shaders: 768
clock: 800MHz
Performance: 1.230TFLOPS

The Xbox One is comparable to your average entry level PC in terms of graphics performance. The GPU is comparable to an HD 7790 which can max out "certain" demanding titles in 1080P with an FPS of slightly over 30. It "May" be lackluster in the years to come.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

www.gameranx.com/updates/id/1 5862/article/ps4-vs-xbox-one--- who-has-the-better-gpu-revealed /

PS4 Memory specs

Amount: 8GB
Type: GDDR5
Amount allocated for games: 4.5GB
Speed: 176GB/s

PS4 RAM is seen in entry, mild, high, and ultra high end PC desktop GPU's today. Some will talk about the latency issue for the CPU, but Mark Cerny explained that it won't be a worrying factor.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

Xbox One memory specs

Amount: 8GB
Type: DDR3
Amount allocated for games: 5GB
Speed: 68GB/s

Xbox One RAM is commonly seen for System RAM in a desktop PC. For graphics, the last time Nvidia or AMD used DDR3 as memory for graphics in a mild or high end GPU was back in 2008 (5 years ago) in their HD 4000 and GTX 9000 card series. Xbox One Ram is fine for it's CPU, but will it be fine for it's GPU especially in meeting today's standards?

At the end of the day, the PS4 sounds like a more powerful system, but you have the right as consumer to chose the system you prefer. Isn't that amazing!

Xbox One offers the Kinect 2.0 witch is seems to be far more capable than the PS4eye in terms of resolution, but the PS4eye will determine real 3D dept with 2 cameras while the Kinect 2.0 will determine dept from a 2D image taken from one camera.

http://www.thehdroom.com/ne...

http://gizmodo.com/kinect-2...

The Xbox One will offer great launch exclusives, the same with PS4. Sony has a great deal of First party
developers and MS is pushing to have more first party developers by investing in new studios.

MS cloud (Azure) will boost the performance of Xbox Live(not the graphics of the Xbox One, anyone with decent hardware/network knowledge knows this),these brand new servers are ready to be switched on when the Xbox One launches. Any developer will be allowed to use them to offload the game AI (Less things running on the APU means more power that can be harnessed to improve the graphics) and/or used them as dedicated servers.

PS4 cloud and Gaikai will allow backward compatibility in older PlayStation titles.

http://kotaku.com/5985810/t...

I made my choice, have you?

n4rc1014d ago

"Some will talk about the latency issue for the CPU, but Mark Cerny explained that it won't be a worrying factor. "

Well thank god mark cerny said so.. Who needs proof as long it comes from Sony right?

/smacks head

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iconic561014d ago

Man, those Tweets make Blow seem quite (dare I say it) lazy... many good points were made against him... why suddenly does Blow feel he "needs" over 5gb of memory.

Maybe The Witness is something that amazing... maybe not.

Though I'm not necessarily against more than 8gb of ram though. Seeing that a good portion is dedicated to OS, I feel another portion should be dedicated to cloud processing (just bare with me) as well. So you'd have ram dedicated towards OS, Cloud, and Local game processing..

If the Cloud's biggest downside is it's latency, wouldn't it be avoidable by caching the processed data onto a good portion of dedicated RAM??

Example: 12gb total ram can be allocated - 3gb OS, 6gb game, 3gb cloud,

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Sarobi1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

I don't see why people are getting so worked up over this. 4.5 (or 5.5) is enough to give you great looking games.

Geezus1014d ago

they know nothing! which is why it was funny when alot of people were blabbing about 7>5 in respect to the ps4 and xbox and how much ram was being allocated to games. Shoot most Pc games only use 5-6 gb of ram. Now alot of people who were boasting about that advantage are flip flopping and saying it doesnt matter which was true all along 5 gbs of ram is more than enough.

Raven7221014d ago

To be fair, fanboys will be fanboys regardless of the flag they carry. The stupidity isn't exclusive nor greater on either side.

OrangePowerz1014d ago

For the moment, but keep in mind you will still use it in 5-6 years or further. In 5+years every extra RAM space will be precious.

PC games are not optimized they need to make the game run on a lot of different hardware configurations plus you also need to add the RAM from the GPU.

Thomper1014d ago

Not according to the fanboys last week.... Where is Mark Cerny when you need him?

Oh, he's with his "wife". Lol. Lol. Lol.

fsfsxii1014d ago

Was this an attempt of a joke?? I died

Thomper1014d ago

A joke?

If you like....

YNWA961014d ago

Are you saying Cerny does not care about his legion of fanboys? Ah c'mon.... Thats not right.... Maria, remove knee pads, get up and go home.... Cerny is not coming.... ( no pun intended )

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Firan1014d ago

Because fanboys care more about bragging rights than the games.

SuperSteve1014d ago

Hear, hear!

Everyone should just STFU and let the devs worry about how much RAM they have to play with.

Bigpappy1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

Now you tell us. Though RAM was More important than The GPU or CPU for about 4 months now. That's all I heard.

When I upgrade PC's in the pass, RAM only helped when there was TOO LITTLE to run the software. Now it is being touted as the component that will increase computing power.

I mostly just read this stuff and not get into a big fight over this penis size thing. I will just wait until the games are made and like the Dev's said "there will be little to no difference between versions."

nnodley1014d ago

Yeah the people saying more RAM is gonna add magical power to the console are ignorant. 5.5GB of GDDR5 no doubt is gonna be plenty for 5-6 years. Then Sony can optimize the OS to reduce the footprint and unlock over 6GB for devs, same with X1. People need to stop jumping the gun too as well.

Also RAM was one of the more important things this new gen. Last gen they had too little at the end and now I think they will max the GPU and CPU before they hit a RAM limit.

nnodley1014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

I guess the people downvoting us are the ones that think RAM is the only important thing in a console/PC.

Omegasyde1014d ago

I care more about being able to swap the HDD and not have to buy an official one. MS likes to overcharge for HDD, where Sony states any 2.5 SATA will do.

As games are getting bigger and bigger, eventually you will run out of space.

creatchee1014d ago

You can use external storage solutions on both systems - and proprietary storage is not required (or even offered).

n4rc1014d ago

Or unlimited cloud storage for damn near everything it seems.. Can't grab the link on my phone but its been posted on here somewhere

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HexxedAvenger1014d ago

No big deal, the games will still look amazing. Lol

Flyingdog6701014d ago

Most games don't use above 3 gigs, so why are people getting worked up about it? All i know is that, the games will look great and play great. Stop arguing and play games, is it that hard?

Ksar1014d ago

PS4 : Preorder cancelled.

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CRAIG6671014d ago

Serious? It's not a big deal, If anything Sony are prepared to give RAM back to developers if need be(that's if these rumours even hold any weight in the first place)
Look at KZSF or Infamous, they look exceptional, as do some of Microsoft's exclusives.

I will be the proud owner of both systems before the year is out...

fsfsxii1014d ago

You're making too much sense bro. Pick a side

nnodley1014d ago

One of the most logical post on I've seen on this article and you only have 3 bubbles. Freaking blasphemy!!

RytGear1014d ago

Seriously, look at his comment history, massive xbot, he even commented saying specs don't matter and now he is "cancelling a PS4"

ALLWRONG1014d ago

Ksar isn't saying anything different than you guys did when the Xbone was getting negative press.

It's called Karma

Thatguy-3101014d ago (Edited 1014d ago )

You sure you cancelled it? Seems like ps4 bundles are on fire on amazon again. 4>1 people if developers aren't complaining about it then no one should. Like the guy from octodad said "Nothing for anyone besides a dev to worry about". It seems like now a days everyone on here knows how to make games and what not.

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