Fez creator Phil Fish is skeptical about Xbox One’s new self-publishing policy, saying that it’s just a “reactionary” response that feels “disingenuous.”
It's true and you only have Playstation and people like me to thank. You're welcome. Without us, MS would have still been arrogantly walking around w/ the mindstate of a Nazi.
"Reactionary" is correct. Xbox One - at least the gaming side of it - seems hobbled together to grab the early adopters, but what is the long-term plan? Is there even a long-term plan that has gamers' interests at its heart? The troubling thing is this: what will Microsoft react to next? Apple or Google launching a new "iOS box" for the TV with full DVR, TV streaming, Hulu, Netflix, and apps, and then Microsoft shifts the Xbox One's focus to that? Kinect motion controls don't take off like they wanted, so they drop any plans for hardcore support (they've already delayed their showcase game, Sports Rivals)? WHAT IS MICROSOFT'S PLAN? Gaming certainly doesn't seem to be on the top of the list. Even their "reactions" (like this self-publshing) is half-hearted. It's not available now and it won't be available until "some time after launch". What's the profit margin for these indies? Is it 10% cut for Microsoft (like it is for Steam and PSN) or is it the same 70/30 split like it was for indies on XBLA? Will indies be highlighted like they are on Steam on PSN, or will all the games be lumped together like Microsoft has been saying?
Oh wow. A feature that they are now putting forward as a major incentive is now being delayed for a while. Sounds familiar....*cough* Gaikai
Yeah. TOTALLY the same thing. Gaikai totally isn't a multi-million dollar collaboration of hardware and software. It's totally the same thing as the policies - literally, nothing but policies - that are restricting indie devs from self-publishing on Xbox One. Indies are self-publishing NOW on PS4. There are games in development NOW for PS4 that are self-published, so why can't Microsoft allow self-publishing NOW? Why do they have to wait until some undetermined time after launch (and then we wait several months more for the first games to trickle in)?
Hopefully with Apple, Google, and everyone else under the sun offering free access to streaming content will finally make them take down that rip off policy of hiding these services behind the greedy iron curtain known as xbone gold.
The sad part is that Microsoft literally doesn't have to lift a finger to allow the indies to self-publish, they just need to establish the policy clearly and allow the indies access to upload. Comparing it to PS4 with Gaikai is ridiculous. Gaikai is a MASSIVE infrastructure and digital rights-intensive endeavor, and I say Sony can take all the time they need to make sure it works as intended when it finally launches. Microsoft's self-publishing policy is all politics, no major changes in infrastructure. They just need to establish the profit margin between developers and Microsoft and allow the indies to publish their games without having to kiss the ass of a major publisher, that's it. Steam and PSN do it, why can't Microsoft? Again they show not only a disconnect from consumers, but their preference to be in bed with major publishers throwing money around than smaller independents who are currently the driving creative force in the industry.
Let's be real here guys, are you really THAT into indie games or has this interest just become the latest trend. Personally I will play 1 or 2 indie games a year, and to be honest, they were not worth it. I understand that indie developers have their place but for me, if they are not at least on a level of journey, trials hd, limbo, etc......I will will not be downloading. I hope that Sony and Microsoft figure out a way to separate the quality of these games. Microsoft separated them correctly on xbox live
yep that's Microsoft big problem they want to be everyone has soon has someone come up with something and get some success they drop what ever they're doing just to follow its the greed in them they're the only company like that stay in your lane and do what you do best but no they want to everything they see others do greed man i tell you
@Melman26 I would say 50%+ of my gaming is Indie titles. Although I imagine that's higher than the average and most of it is on PC. But you're right about this being a bit of a trend. Indie self-publishing is just the latest skirmish ground for the never ending console wars.
@ DVAcme + 1 bubble well said There is a huge difference between the PS4 and Gaikai compared to the XBone and self-publishing. One is technology the other are silly policies. Microsoft's self-publishing policy is all politics, called greed.
the only thing that will settle this argument is actually seeing more Indy games on the XBone, Sony was talking the talk but what proved their commitment was actually showing many Indy games at the reveal and E3 like the Witness, Outcast, OctoDad Transistor and others.
The thing about this whole thing is how much MS cares. As Mr. Fish said it's reactionary nearly everything they are doing these days is not planned it's reactionary. This is leading tons of people to continue to tread carefully when it comes to the Xbone. I want to know is as mentioned above do they care? What I mean by that is Sony clearly cares about the Indies this gen and cares enough to showcase them just as much as their big AAA games in some cases. This shows more commitment then I think MS is even thinking about. I would love if they are going to put the effort in and really take care of the indies but the way they have been doing things makes it seem like it's just another bullet point on a check list of things they need that others have already. If they are going to bring their a game in regards to indies and self publishing they great but it doesn't seem that way. Time will tell I suppose.
XB1's long term plan is less gaming and more everything else. You think they are abondoning all that tech they wanted to use? nope, it will just be used in different ways later on. Remember the first xbox was gamer focused. Xbox 360 started out that way but in the past 4 years has moved towards casual friendly and I see the same trend here. The XB1 system itself might be the Trojan horse that allows this.
I feel like you don't really know the mind state of Nazi because i never saw Microsoft kidnapping and torturing people.Your not funny man quit trying.
Well, the Nazis did think they were the best, and that the rest of the world should be like them. Maybe that's what MHF meant by "mind state of a Nazi"? Although I did see a Youtube video on Youtube where Hitler did some pretty good things, like being the genius behind the Volkswagen, and lowering smoking rates or something like that.
You're taking it literal to deflect his whole point. He is right, Sony started taking in Indies then Nintendo followed and now Microsoft followed and from what i heard from the most parts from the Nintendo and Microsoft community is "Indies suck anyway". Now its cool to buy them cause everyone is going to get them, LOL! Everyone is educated on what is a Nazi. You learn that in junior high, now you're patronizing.
Microsoft never said "Be like us" they were trying to get people to buy their product and I'm not deflecting anything I'm simply saying that you may want educate yourselves on what a nazi is and why it isn't all that clever to compare Microsoft to a group like that.Even before they made their changes they weren't at the nazi level and if you have such a problem with what microsft is then don't buy their products ,quit all your "Micosof ez Eval" blabbering ,and Don't encourage this Maria troll. Hey there good job editing so i wouldn't get a notification good thing i came back to look through some of the comments.What? afraid of using that last bubble or do you just like the last word? Any way just so you know the school system in America is a joke which it has been for a while and considering what maria said i doubt she paid attention during the world war 2 class if he even lives in a country where the schools find that a mandatory subject
@TongkatAli i love when fanboys such as yourself make up B.S as that's what was said. I've never heard from 360 fanboys or nintendo that they hate indie games or the dev's. stop lying or back it up. I heard more from sonyfanboys calling dev's lazy because they found developing on the ps3 hard because of the cell. now because dev's find it easier it's "dev's love sony cause they listen" too bad they didn't with the ps3. something MS did with the 360. thank you MS for the change in sony's attitude with the ps4.
@GenericNameHere "Well, the Nazis did think they were the best, and that the rest of the world should be like them. Maybe that's what MHF meant by "mind state of a Nazi"?" Hmmm, That comment is more akin to the Japanese during the invasion of China, the British during the colonial wars and lets not forget the Americans right here right now. Likening Microsoft's policies to that of war lords and mass genocide is disturbing. Unless of course you are a Scientologist. NOTE: That crack about Scientology may be considered a slant against a religion but here in the UK Scientology is considered a cult / crackpot organisation. Back to the point however, Microsoft made an announcement albeit via twitter. I'm sure that further details will be clear come gamescon. So it's best to save the masturbatory rhetoric till after their next conference.
Thank Playstation?!?!?! Thank Desura. Thank Mojang. Thank the developers passing around software on MS-DOS. Indies did NOT start with Playstation. Indies didn't even start on consoles with Playstation. Having gamers thank Sony for Indies is like thanking a president for the constitution... sure he continues it, but he did not start it. Heck how could anyone forget William Higinbotham? He created the first video game ever, and it was most certainly what we'd call an indie.
The indie embrace did start on PlayStation though. Thats why MS is changing it's policy. No one is saying PlaySation created the "idie dev," thats conceptually impossible. What they're saying is that you better thank Sony for embracing the indie crowd because if they hadn't MS would have still kept many of those games off their system. Why is it so hard for fanboys to stop acting like children. You all sit there and act like it's Xbox vs Playstation. What side am I on if I own both?
Indie embrace began with things like Desura and Steam... sorry to burst your bubble.
You're being silly. There are no parallel between the PC indie market and the console one. A PC is an open platform, a console isn't. Sony's incentive towards indies forced MS to change their policies. Simple as that. They didn't want Sony to have that competitive edge. So it's not PC vs Consoles, seeing how the two platforms differ so much from each other.
Apart from most of the indie games coming to PS4 are on or will be on PC in the near future. I definitely know Don't Starve is on PC now as I have it on steam and it was a PC exclusive from Klei like their new game, Incognita. Mercenary Kings is on steam Early Access atm as well. So there is some parallels between PC indies and console indies. As they are one and the same. Desura and steam embraced the indie revolution way before Xbox and Playstation did. Most if not all the kickstarter games will be accepted onto steam when they are ready to be released. If MS are so accommodating to indie devs why do we hear all these horror stories from indie devs about how MS treated them?
I would never thank Maria..or Sony.
U forget the biggest platform for indie games are on pc
I find it funny that people who never had any intentions on buying the system. Feels like they had any part in the change of MS policies and X1. Screaming and posting "I hate you MS and I'm never buy your console" does change anything nor will you even when they do. So you gets no thanks for being a fanboy.
It's just so true that MS has been constantly playing catch up to Sony in most key features. As much as XBots would deny this, It's taken so many "Core gamers" pledging to switch to PS4 to get them to do anything at all. And even one change they could do that they decided not to is going to hurt them the most in the long run. MS already said there's no price drop or removal of Kinect in 2014. That means they might as well give the PS4 a head start similar to the one 360 had. All the hardcore M$ fans who have stuck with XBL for years can continue to hold on to their Halo, Forza, GoW, and CoD DLC for dear life, but for the rest of us, brand loyalty only goes so far.
Yeah, it's Playstation. Not the open platforms like PC or anything.
Maria made a reactionary response as well. Being a fanboy is one thing, but being an ignorant fanboy is a whole other level. Congratulations on your level down!
@MariaHelFutura I'd suggest you put more substance into your posts than just what the PS4/X1 fanboy goons want to hear. You're labeling Microsoft with a Nazi mindset, as they are some kind of evil entity, and you're completely contradicting yourself. If someone was a Nazi, they would stay headstrong with their beliefs and plans, taking no criticism from others into account. Microsoft has changed their route because they're listening. While it could be argued that they are doing so because of poor pre-order sales, we still get the same result as gamers--a better console.
@ Maria. Very nice, thank you. Now would you kindly... Get back under your bridge.
Somehow you managed to make the ridiculously inaccurate and ignorant comparison of Microsoft to Nazi's, while also gaining over 150 agrees in the process. This alone is evidence of the grossly over-exaggerated hatred of MS and the extreme level of bias that plagues this website. If you truly think MS is even remotely comparable to the Nazi regime, I suggest you brush up on your history.