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Microsoft Officially Disputes Kinect-Less Xbox One Report

Microsoft to Game Front: "We have no plans to introduce an Xbox One without Kinect. We believe in Kinect and the value it brings to both games and entertainment, and believe $499 is a great value for what consumers receive with their Xbox One.” (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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Mr_Nuts  +   931d ago
Hope it's true

Was it that hard to listen to what most gamers actually want. I find it a little funny how they would be going back on everything they revealed the Xbox One to be. If they had done a DRM-Kinect-less console in the first place they wouldn't have such a huge s*** storm on their hands.
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Abash  +   931d ago
Thats a shame they're not actually doing it, the Xbox One would appeal to way more people at a cheaper price and without forced Kinect
darthv72  +   931d ago
it can still appeal at a cheaper price but kinect still comes with it.

for many, price is the only factor and those that cant get it at the initial price will likely get one when it gets cheaper. Price is an obstruction and when you remove the obstruction then there is no more excuse to hold out.

Unless there was no desire to begin with.

edit: its easy to say now that you "dont want to use" because we dont have it yet. The implementation and how it integrates is something that needs to be experienced before we decide.

It will be better than the existing kinect and the existing kinect isnt that bad to begin with so I am optimistic that it will be better received and supported.
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Mr_Nuts  +   931d ago

Not really because in most peoples eyes your still paying for something in the box which you don't want to use. Everytime the price comes down you'll still be thinking in the back of your head

"This could of been even cheaper without Kinect"
xHeavYx  +   931d ago
From the article
UPDATE: We received a comment denying this story from a Microsoft spokesperson. Here’s the quote:

“We have no plans to introduce an Xbox One without Kinect. We believe in Kinect and the value it brings to both games and entertainment, and believe $499 is a great value for what consumers receive with their Xbox One.”
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nukeitall  +   931d ago | Well said
It would be a terrible shame if revolutionary technology was ignored by developers if it didn't have the proper push and adoption by consumers.

MS keeping Kinect standard and included in every box is the right decision.

If you are so against Kinect, don't buy an Xbox One and buy a PS4. Don't turn my Xbox One into an suped up PS3!

I want to see what Kinect can do!!!
abzdine  +   931d ago
When they realize that their console isn't selling due to the high price they'll think twice. But they're definitely unsure about what they want.
Soon they'll say exactly opposite off what they just said like they said digital and always connected is the future.

To be continued...
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MysticStrummer  +   931d ago
"It would be a terrible shame if revolutionary technology was ignored by developers if it didn't have the proper push and adoption by consumers."

It wouldn't be the first time tech died because of consumer apathy, but I don't see how Kinect is revolutionary tech since a lot of what Kinect does is already doable with other products. That includes using voice and gestures to control devices and making Skype calls on your TV. Those things will be standard in new smart TVs before long, and there are already devices that allow gesture control without a camera, which does away with PRISM related concerns.
GamerzElite  +   931d ago
They already invested so much money on R&D, If they do so then investors wont be happy.
malokevi  +   931d ago
Kinect is part of the package. It is not a forced peripheral, its an essential component. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves and spinning BS.

Lets hope morons let this issue lie sooner rather than later. Though, if they haven't gotten the message by now, they probably never will.
darthv72  +   931d ago and always connected are the future. Even sony knows that. anytime you see sony talk about the PS4 they touch just a bit on the offline part but they focus more on the online part.

they know a connected console is the direction they see the industry going. People want to whoop and hollar at being offline when sony doesnt want people to do that. its there but how many will really buy a internet enabled device...just to sit offline?

the percentage will be extremely low. Given the success of the ps3 online the ps4 is pretty much counting on it being the online successor and drive home the idea of being online is where its at.

As far as digital goes...we have been digital for many years now. It is just the evolution of convenience and distribution. will there be a much higher DD presence this gen than last? Absolutely. will people really care about the increased number of Day 1 digital? Absolutely. will it be a negative response? not in the least.

There is more benefit to the DD this gen than previous. that convenience is something that will not be overlooked this time around.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   931d ago
Nope, Kinect now, not later. We already know what happens when they introduced Kinect later in the gen before, and it wasn't pretty.

I think people need to quit wining and deal with Kinect being in there. MS will have the ability to market the entire premise of the console.

Instead of separating the market as well as its fanbase.

People complain now but in a year or two they'll get over it, trust me.
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Mr_Nuts  +   931d ago

Thats your solution..."get over it"


No wonder companies treat us like crap when people like you just tell us to deal with it. Like Adam Orth Junior.
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dc1  +   931d ago
@ darthv72
"As far as digital goes...we have been digital for many years now. It is just the evolution of convenience and distribution."

While the above is true; It's also true that MS did not have to mandate that future.

The mandate was the problem. It's far better to let natural consumer progression take place. I personally only buy digital music.. but could still pick up a CD if I really wanted to.

We can agree on this :)
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   931d ago
It's crazy people are complaining about something that come with the console that would more than likely would be more if sold separate. Besides the fact that the console is built from the ground up to include the device just like the normal controller, it cost's $400 for the windows version of Kinect 2.0.
mewhy32  +   931d ago
I agree with Abash. I would be much more interested in the xbone if I wasn't forced to take the kinect spy camera and they reduced the price to 349.99. I mean without the camera and with weaker specs 349.99 would be a fair price.
ShwankyShpanky  +   931d ago

"Kinect is part of the package. It is not a forced peripheral, its an essential component."

Please explain how it is an "essential component" if the UI can still be navigated and 99% of games can still be played with Kinect's functionality completely disabled (but not unplugged). If the console can still be used without Kinect functionality, then by definition it is not "an essential component."
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malokevi  +   931d ago

...because it needs to be there for the console to work? lol...
ShwankyShpanky  +   931d ago
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Darth Gamer  +   931d ago
bull s#it, the Kinect is the biggest defining difference between the XBOX ONE and the PS4. If MS was to take that away, it would be the biggest mistake to date.
awi5951  +   931d ago
Thats stupid everyone shut up they have to go all in or developers will not use it. See how much developers used the PS3 controller for motion control, yeah they didnt because it was half assed.
Ben12  +   931d ago
once everyone sees the advantages of having Kinect you will all want xbox one.
aiBreeze  +   931d ago
^^^ - said no one ever.

There, finished your sentence off for you.
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Rhythmattic  +   931d ago
Maybe MS should meet consumers half way.... Make the One usable without an attached Kinnect? At least it's there if a game requires it....

Would certainly comfort people concerned about the privacy issues.
The_Con-Sept  +   931d ago
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah *croak.

I just died laughing.

Seriously though forcing kinect down peoples throats as a box in, then the next thing you know every game will require its use. Then people will revolt about it online. Then they will launch a kinect-less bundle with another 180. Man the corporate adbox 180 is in a serious tail spin.
badz149  +   931d ago

keep pushing for it and maybe they will listen. the DRM is no more, now self-publishing is in place...who's to say that there won't be kinect-free Xbone later?
JokesOnYou  +   931d ago
So sonyfanboys with a history of trolling xbox want a X1 without kinect, yeah sure OK, fortunately it ain't happening.
aiBreeze  +   931d ago

Are you joining on the "only sony fanboys hate on Xbox" bandwagon? No matter how many times you or anyone else tries to play down the scale of the Xbox hate, it doesn't change the fact there are a good number of Xbox 360 owners and former Xbox fanboys who have no interest in Kinect what so ever and most likely won't be buying an Xbox One on launch because of that/higher price.
JokesOnYou  +   931d ago
Your proof? nah, you got nothing to go on, you're just here to troll another Kinect thread.

Unlike you heres my logic based on what I see + understanding human behavior + reasonable assumptions, n4g is the test sample, I don't know every xbox or sony fan on n4g but I've been a member here long enough to know the vast majority. A quick count of lets just say the last 10 kinect related threads and I cant find more than one member who has been mostly a supporter of xbox or clearly unbiased history who wants kinect removed from X1. As for 99% of those who have clearly been negative about anything xbox/micro related its no question they have been and continue to be negatively biased towards kinect. So therefore understanding this and knowing they have a history of trolling 360 its quite obvious this is more hate, and its laughable for them to even pretend suddenly they want a X1 without kinect, basically nothings changed. Nobody, not even sonyfanboys believe that sonyfanboys want a X1 without kinect, you and I know sonyfanboys don't want an X1 period, its rhetoric to hide your jealousy for fear somebody might enjoy something different than the ps4.
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Godz Kastro  +   931d ago
Hope its not...
Aceman18  +   931d ago
Wasn't going to buy one anyway, but if they did decide to do a kinect less bundle I might have considered a look into one. Oh well.
Kurt Russell  +   931d ago
Kinect is the only reason I have am buying the PS4 over it. I don't like the idea of having a camera on me all the time. I am not worried about what it means for gaming, I am just a bit 1984 paranoid.

Now DRM is gone, the other elements of the console, including its game line up looks pretty good.
Aceman18  +   931d ago

The lineup looks good only game that has my interest is Quantum Break the others not so much, but I can see it does for others.

Microsoft has to prove to me that they can provide me with a variety of exclusives that would make me want to spend my money on it.

As for kinect I don't care about and since its mandatory looks like there won't be one in my apt for the foreseeable future.
Kurt Russell  +   930d ago
Yeah games are subjective, different strokes for different folks ;)

Personally the two games I want most are multiplat. BF4 and the Division. So I am happy to get them on a PS4.
LoveOfTheGame  +   931d ago
If they made a DRM-Kinect-less console they would have a slightly weaker PS4.

Might just be me, but I rather enjoy innovation and having options.
SilentGuard  +   931d ago
Options? Like half the Xbox fan base that wants the option to have a Kinect-less Xbox One?
T2  +   931d ago
there is no innovation, only intrusion. its for advertising, all the other supposed innovation from kinect has either been tried already or can already be done by any smart device... smart tv, smart remotes.
It is a waste of money and I am not getting a kinect. I would consider an xbone, but not with kinect.
JamieL  +   930d ago
@ SilentGuard & joecanada
I don't know how you two can be so matter-of-fact about what the One will do and be. I have to say at this point "I" feel MS is trying a lot more "new" stuff than Sony is. I feel Sony is really just releasing the 360 2. I have no idea how MS's plan will work out, and to be honest Sony is taking a proven successful strategy this gen, so I am defiantly not saying the XBone will "win" or anything like that, but as far as trying new stuff I feel MS is leading in that category. I am going to do the same thing I do every gen anyway and getting all of them so I can play anything.
TheTwelve  +   931d ago
If Microsoft did a DRM-Kinect-less console, it would just be a wannabe PS4, without the worldwide clout that Sony has.

Knowing that both consoles were going to launch around the same time this gen, they have to try to appear different and better.


P.S. Exactly as the post above me says, haha
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iceman06  +   931d ago
I fully agree with this. MS would really only have non-gaming features to compete with PS4 and that would not be attractive to the core gaming audience. That being said, if sales aren't up to par at some point, I expect that MS will probably release a Kinect-less console anyway.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   931d ago
@Nuts What? GTFO what are you talking about? What's it to you don't plan on buying the console anyway? You know what happened when MS introduced Kinect later on the gen?

too many Kinect games (kid games) shovelware, Kinect only ads, Exclusive Kinect features and Kinect only E3's with skittles and Usher.

Sony fans would want MS to have Kinect separate so they do those things again. Alienate the core fanbase and say "Xbox has no games, just casual Kinect crap", yeah nice try.

Its logical for Kinect to be in the system and get the whole package. Plus MS is using Kinect in Battlefield 4, Witcher 3 and Cod Ghost. As its first party games. "Better With Kinect"

Your getting the whole package, instead half the console and half the features Kinect is apart of the console You understand?

Of course you don't. I'll play my PS4 and use its features accordingly, and Use my X1 and use its features accordingly.

That's my logic which seems reasonable and makes sense.

How bout you just buy 2 PS4's instead? Because that's what your asking.

BTW Quit wasting your time and pretending you know what's best for the console and pretending you know the solution and problems it may have, when you clearly have no interest in it at all.

@Root So that's what you do these days hmm. How bout you and get life a little little guy?

How bout that.
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awi5951  +   931d ago
Silly comment for a pro sony SDF site.
NeoTribe  +   931d ago
We've already seen kinect in action this gen. It was a horrible broken mess. Nobody used it. Even when it worked. What makes you think people all of a sudden have an interest in jumping and frailing around a camera again? What makes you think its gonna actually work like they say it will? They released BROKEN unplayable kinect games....
PS3PWNSALL  +   931d ago
I find it funny how Sony Apologists think no one likes the Kinect. MS sold over 10million of those things. Of course people like it and the Kinect 2 will be way better than the first one.
T2  +   931d ago
so 11.5 percent of xbox gamers which represent about 1/3 of overall system sales = 3.8 percent of consoles are running a kinect, and that is being generous.
a resounding success!! /s

also you don't know if kinect will be way better on xbone, its just as likely multiplats wont waste their time. but i do know it will make all those dashboard ads so great!!
rainslacker  +   931d ago
A lot of people brought the Kinect on the hope that it would bring something amazing to gaming. Number was actually closer to 20 million. A lot of people were disappointed.

I saw little in the way of Kinect being liked on forums since the first one released. It wasn't until it became a console war talking point that i see people welcoming it with open arms.

I know a lot of people are saying, "We want to see what it can do. It will finally deliver what Kinect should have been". I just wonder what makes them believe that of a motion control input device, particularly since I haven't seen any game that is truly defining a next gen experience with Kinect 2. It was noticeably absent from their E3 presentation.

I see way too many people touting Kinect 2 without a single shred of evidence to it's abilities for gaming. Not a single video or representation on how it will improve game play. Too many people are going on blind optimism, instead of being more reflective of the past and asking for actual proof to Kinect 2's worth for games.

I guess the best argument I can make is...I remember the Milo demo. Cool stuff that was never realized. I've yet to have anyone really give me an adequete reason why Kinect 2 will be able to deliver where motion control has failed to live up to expectations in the past. The only thing I see is that it's so much more advanced. Throwing more power at a flawed gaming input technology(in a home console sense) is not going to rectify the development issues that keep motion control gaming from being a powerhouse worthy of praise. At most motion control is good for certain types of games, and most of those games aren't the kinds of games that I'd imagine most people on here play with frequency.

Kinect 2 is a gimmick through and through. Same as the WiiMote. But hey, at least it's better than the first one.
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NeoTribe  +   931d ago
Dude, everyone bought it falling into the hype and realized it sucks. All my friends bought it because microsoft promised the moon. To this day none of them use it because it was horrible. Quit acting like it was a good feature. You fanboys defend the dumbest shit. If you told me move sucked, I'd gladly agree with you. The fanboy is strong in this one.
JokesOnYou  +   931d ago
@PS3PWNSALL WRONG, actually it sold 24mil as of Feb 2013, hey just a quick fact check would be helpful before you throw out numbers.

@joecanada I guess you have to re-do your numbers, while your at it lets see the breakdown of move sales that count each individual move controller, despite you needing multiple controllers in a household unless you always game alone???

rainslacker the problem with your analysis is you haven't spent anytime with the new Kinect and all your assumptions are based on limits of the first, meanwhile countless professionals who have had hands on with the device have almost unanimously come away impressed how much improved the tech is and are very interested to see where micro/devs will take it. hmmm, already X1 owners will benefit day 1 with not only exclusive launch games like Forza 5, DR3 and Ryse using Kinect but also Battlefied 4 and COD Ghosts versions are confirmed to have optional Kinect support. You say meh, but devs say cool lets give gamers options. Its nice to have extra options in games, that's only because Kinect is included.
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Gamer1982  +   931d ago
They will do it when Ps4 outsells them and they need to drop the price plus sticking it in the box early on forces devs to put it in games and then will hope to entice gamers later down the line and it won't be £100 like it was when bundled with the console it will be a lot more.
SilentGuard  +   931d ago
Also, when MS realizes that developers are not going to implement Kinect in real meaningfull ways becuase that would make the game an Xbox exclusive. No way developers are going to design games with Kinect in mind making it a console exclusive when PS4 ends up selling more consoles due to a cheaper price.
N8  +   931d ago
That is a fact and if you don't understand that your crazy. If Sony kicks ass they will release whatever sku they can to compete. That's why they dropped DRM
kewlkat007  +   931d ago
"We have no plans to introduce an Xbox One without Kinect. We believe in Kinect and the value it brings to both games and entertainment, and believe $499 is a great value for what consumers receive with their Xbox One.”

I fell the same way...

This is not the Xbox 360 where there was fragmentation with and add-on product. This is the way it should be.

Value, Creativity and Implementation will be automatically added to every Xbox One. Those waiting for a Kinect-less Xbox One can buy a 360, PS 2,3,4 , ipad...etc

The Kinect gives the Xbox one a different identity in terms of value, then the PS4; which is mostly a spec upgrade (although good one) from the PS3 with a crippled Eyetoy from launch.
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HugoDrax  +   931d ago
Well said! Without KINECT 2, in my opinion there would be no point in owning both next gen consoles. Instead, I have both day one consoles pre ordered, and just received a call from GameStop informing me that all trade ins towards my PS4/XB1 console would have an extra 50% tacked on. Now I just need to figure out what to trade in hahaha! Maybe my Wii U console? or I'll just hold on to it for Mario Kart and Smash Bros : -)
omi25p  +   931d ago
You realize they will be losing money with each console sold. The kinect alone costs around £250 so you cant be telling me a new console costs £200 with a controller ect.
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NYC_Gamer  +   931d ago
X1 is built with Kinect in mind to ensure developers would make use of every feature
darthv72  +   931d ago
yeah, i dont see it forced if it was built for it to begin with. It is needed to complete the package and make it work.

Removing the kinect would be akin to removing the engine from a car. You could probably sit in it and get some friends to push you around town but it isnt the same as actually driving the car the way it was meant to be driven.
devwan  +   931d ago
For me it's more like removing the fluffy dice from the mirror - something superfluous and laughably irritating.
nukeitall  +   931d ago
Kinect is the competitive advantage and the differentiator from PS4. Removing Kinect from Xbox One would make the Xbox One just another PS4 with a different skin on the user interface.

Don't compete on price alone, compete on awesomeness!!!

Once consumers starts seeing the Kinect One in action, they will be wowed and compelled to buy it.
Campy da Camper  +   931d ago
I see it as them selling a car that has the car drive itself. Rather than turn the radio yourself you have to ask the car to do it. I've got my own issues with ms but there are games they will have that I'd like to play. I don't care about a price drop, I don't even care if kinect comes bundled with every system...just don't make it a requirement for me to have it on to play a sp game.

I never use voice activation software. I don't ever want to wave my hand to throw a grenade and I sure as hell don't want an always on camera looking at me. Don't care about NSA but I do care some hacker will figure out a way to hack my system via WiFi and be able to check to see if my apartment is empty.

I don't see how not having kinect is an issue with devs. Unless they are going to make games that require you to use the kinect features and in that case its just a shame.

One controller. Headphones. No body heat reading and a dark room with my LED TV. Is that so much to ask for?
Patrick  +   931d ago
@ nukeitall

Let me know when the awesomeness gets added to kinect.. cause from what they have shown it can actually do, its only awesome if you like games that play for you or like playing with animals named after rainbow colored candy. I'll wait till the reality catches up to the promise.

"Once consumers starts seeing the Kinect One in action, they will be wowed and compelled to buy it."

Tell that to Star wars, Harry potter and Milo Kinect. We have heard this promise before. How much disappointment can MS push on you?
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NeoTribe  +   931d ago
Nuketaik, you seriously can't be a real. You have to be some bot microsoft programmed to praise xbox all over the internet. Even xbox loyalist don't believe kinect is great. Especially as great as you make it seem. EVEN if kinect worked how it was suppost to, its still a retarded gimmick. People don't wanna scream or flail there arms in front of there tvs. Its as simple as that. Your praising simple voice commands as if that's next gen. Your typical gamer just wants to sit down with a remote and that's it.
devwan  +   931d ago
@NYC_Gamer It wasn't "built with Kinect in mind to ensure developers would make use of every feature"...

It is part of the system therefore developers know it's always there, whether they can be bothered making any use of it is up to them.
zeal0us  +   931d ago
Every feature, "Better with Kinect" now your super duper game has voice commands!!!!!!!!!!!
JamieL  +   930d ago
I'll tell you what, it may be a complete joke to you, but it's become invaluable to me. I lost the use of my right arm in a motorcycle accident about 2 years ago. I had a custom controller built so I could still play, but in Skyrim and Mass Effect 3 the voice commands helped me out greatly. I know this is a very specific case, but if it helps 1 other person in this capacity, I'm all for it. For me it was definitely "Better with Kinect", and this is something I couldn’t get on PS3. I’m glad MS doesn’t listen to folks like you.
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zeal0us  +   930d ago
Sorry about your situation but honestly I don't think most developers care about disable or injured people far as game input goes. Voice commands has been around a long time. The question I keep asking myself why didn't more developers implement voice commands over headset/microphone?

The last thing I want to see is Microsoft and other developers trying to justify Kinect by using disable gamers like yourself as a scapegoat. Given that when one look at the past they didn't care too much to start with.
JamieL  +   930d ago
That's not my point, and to be honest I don't even consider myself "disabled", but your comment mocked the fact the "super duper game has voice commands!!!!!!!!!!!", like it was stupid and didn't work, or have any real function in a game. They do, not having to switch out your shouts and being able to do each one by saying a word in Skyrim does make the game "Better with Kinect" in my opinion, and you say it like it's not true. I've used it and I think it does make the game better, so I guess we just agree to disagree. I really don't know why you just focused on my handicap and your grim view of MS, maybe you’re just a negative person in general, but thanks for that.
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zeal0us  +   930d ago
Well regardless of what you think of me,I hope your future with the Xbox One(if you're planning on buying one) be a good one.

Now back to cleaning up my house for my family reunion.
ShwankyShpanky  +   931d ago
"X1 is built with Kinect in mind to ensure advertisers have a treasure trove of market data."


"Removing Kinect from Xbox One and upgrading their RAM, GPU, and memory & power management, and adding Remote Play would make the Xbox One just another PS4 with a different skin on the user interface."

Also fixed.
Hicken  +   931d ago
It doesn't ensure anything, as far as games are concerned. Just like Sixaxis being in every PS3 controller, devs can treat it like it doesn't even exist, even though it's a built-in part of the system.

I dunno where you guys keep getting the idea that just because Kinect will be in EVERY box, developers are more likely to make use of it.

Use it for what? Something that can be done as well or better with a controller? Something that can be done as easily- and coded for more easily- with a headset?

The applications for Kinect in gaming are severely limited, and there are other devices that do even those jobs better.

So why would developers waste time and money making a feature work for Kinect if they don't have to?
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   931d ago
Ehhh I don't know how I feel about it but it don't matter I'm not getting one come launch.

Playing the waiting game
JamieL  +   930d ago
Very sensible comment. I wish more on both sides would have this attitude. We have no idea how this stuff will play out. I think we have a much clearer understanding of what the PS4 will do, and I don't think that’s a completely good thing. Sony is Sony though, and we can feel pretty confident that it will have a ton of great games.
That's what Sony does, and they are very good at it. Given the current stat of the company as a whole, and the hard time they had with the PS3, they almost have to take a safer approach this gen, because I don't know that Sony could handle losing the same amount of the market they lost this gen. MS has a little more wiggle room in this regard.
Without a doubt MS has some serious proving of concept to do, but let’s at least see what happens before we crucify them.
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   930d ago
Yeah man I wish people would stop this fan boy crap and just play good games for good games.

Bubbles for you man.

Very well said
BattleTorn  +   931d ago
Huh. Perhaps they truly don't. (which is too bad)

Otherwise they would've stuck to their usually "we don't comment on rumor or speculation"
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Off-topic: Here's a Kinect feature that I would actually be very interested in seeing come to life.

They said they can do full 3D renders of people to make in-game avatars, as well as being able to make avatars smile/frown when the player does.

So, I'd love to see a (co-op) game have facial expressions. A game, maybe like L4D or something, where you can see your friends in-game character looking frightened, or excited, or even laughing when he is. They could do off of the actual expression of the player, or predict the emotions off the heartrate. (the latter could be tricky)

Anyways, I just thought it could be funny to literally see the look on your buddies face as he flees from a horde of zombies, or ect.
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Dlacy13g  +   931d ago
NO... just no. Stop with the ideas of splitting your base up. Put Kinect in the box to all who buy. Let your devs know they can count on it being will see far better efforts using kinect if its part of the ecosystem and not just available for some.
MrBeatdown  +   931d ago
Why is splitting up the base such a problem now? It's never been a burden on other Xbox features.

Features that only Gold subscribers could use have done fine, if not exceedingly well, despite only having a pool of customers that amounts to 20+ million.

I don't see anyone insisting Microsoft give away multiplayer access so devs can "count on it being there".

But for some reason, the exact opposite approach needs to be taken for Kinect... It needs to be included for developers to care.

The funny thing is, with "only" 20+ million customers, multiplayer is doing just fine, yet with just as big of an install base, Kinect on 360 hasn't amounted to anything more than games and features that are forgettable at best. Hell, the original Xbox didn't even sell much better than 20+ million, or any faster than Kinect, yet that had no trouble garnering support.

We've got two instances of widespread Xbox support with 20+ million users. Yet for some reason, when Kinect, 20+ million is a problem. Developers can't be bothered to give a crap, as if they've got some fantastic ideas tucked away that aren't worth attempting if only 20+ million can use it.

It's a little ridiculous that customers have to buy something before even Microsoft can come up with compelling software for it. It's one big KickStarter campaign... pay for promises, and hope you get something down the line.
rainslacker  +   931d ago
Leave it in the box, and allow people the option to not attach it. Solves that problem.

Then we could complain that we don't want to pay for something that we don't want to use, but yeah, it's a no win situation on the forums either way.
n4rc  +   931d ago
I hope they don't cave in.. Including kinect is the right move.. Its part of the system now.. And the possibilities are virtually endless
devwan  +   931d ago
"the possibilities are virtually endless"

Well that's a wonderful world you live in with the endless possibilities of kinect, but back in the real world gamers want to use BUTTONS.
Manic2014  +   931d ago
The kinect will never replace controllers that's a fact; but the kinect is included to add to the experience. What i saw at E3 is Kinect 2.0 is far far more superior to the original. The possibility to add to improve the experience is endless. In the end its on how the Dev's utilise it.
n4rc  +   931d ago
Who ever said it was a controller replacement? I surely didn't.

Not every interaction you have requires use of a button.. How about scanning yourself into games.. Using kinect to read sign language.. The ability to read expressions on your face and even tour heart rate.. Not to mention the obvious implementations to add functionality to controller based games with voice or even gesture control..

Yeah gee.. What was I thinking?! The damn thing is useless!!

Hercules189  +   931d ago
You can still use your controller at the same time with kinect. Now that kinect is included devs will not be afraid to put in features that use kinect, like pushing zombies off the car, or using hand signals for ghost recon or rainbow six. Or just imagine playing a game like gta or sleeping dogs and you see a chair, you can pick it up and smash it across their head.
kewlkat007  +   931d ago
"Well that's a wonderful world you live in with the endless possibilities of kinect, but back in the real world gamers want to use BUTTONS."

Who ever said kinect is replacing real controllers?

It's not that hard to understand...
Hicken  +   931d ago
Microsoft said it, when they told us, "You are the controller."

And how'd that work out for them?
JamieL  +   930d ago
@ Hicken
It work GREAT for them, 25 million and counting.
rainslacker  +   931d ago
Say hi to Milo for me.
hankmoody  +   931d ago
By including Kinect 2.0 in the box, developers won't be hesitant to support it. Guaranteed that you will see much more done with the Kinect than you will with the Sony camera. Every Xbox One sold will have a Kinect included. The PS camera will be sold separately and won't have a high adoption rate.
MasterCornholio  +   931d ago
You have a point there but im guessing that since the developers already did the development for one camera (Kinect 2.0) they can just copy and paste the extra features to the PS4.
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Dlacy13g  +   931d ago
There is an assumption the PSEye is comperable to Kinect. I quite certain that is not the case BUT to be fair, their could be some features that both share that could just be put in both. I suppose having Kinect dedicated in Xbox One could actually help the support of PSEye for PS4 in some ways.
hankmoody  +   931d ago
Not sure if it would be as simple as that. The tech on the Kinect 2.0 seems pretty ridiculous, with it being able to read much more than the first one did. I honestly can't wait to try it out. The original Kinect worked pretty well but it seems like they took this new one and swung for the fences with it.
BattleTorn  +   931d ago
The PS eye doesn't have voice recognition.

I can only find sources saying:
"So there is a chance that the voice recognition feature may find its way into the PlayStation 4"

And I mention voice commands, because I feel they are simplest Kinect feature to copy&paste, unlike tracking finger tips, and body, per se.
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MysticStrummer  +   931d ago
@BattleTorn - Voice recognition software isn't anything exotic, and PS4 comes with a headset.
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Patrick  +   931d ago
Voice recognition is a software that has been out for a long time.. heck my phone does it and if yours doesn't then I bet there is an app you can download that will make your phone do it. Most anything kinect can do the PS4 cam can do as well. MS told yall with the 360 kinect that "You are the controller" and look how that turned out. They should have said. "Kinect games dont need controlling, they play for you."

Look, the "IDEA" of it has promise. But so far the idea is only a promise that has yet to be fulfilled. If it worked like they said it would then we would have seen tons of games already that are deep and immersive..but we havent cause it doesnt. All kinect games are shallow and make up for the lack of accuracy by playing for you and making sure you cant lose. We have all seen the videos of people not moving and still winning.

When they show that your movements make a true difference.. I'll get excited.
SilentGuard  +   931d ago
yeh, but if developers implement it too much than they risk making the game an Xbox exclusive. If PS4 ends up selling more, due to price, than no developer would implement Kinect beyond a tacked on afterthought.
rainslacker  +   931d ago
Eh, for exclusive titles probably. For multiplat titles though those features will probably have some kind of parity and support with the PS camera.

I'm not really against Kinect, I just want to have proof from anyone saying it's so great that it will have these tangible advantages they are talking about. I remember the past, and many others would do well to consider the past if they are so hyped up for Kinect 2. Otherwise I have a feeling they are going to be sorely disappointed, not unlike the hype surrounding a big game release that doesn't live up to expectations.
Evil_Ryu  +   931d ago
399.99 with kinect would be the sweet spot
Smoovekid  +   931d ago
They would lose money.
golding89  +   931d ago
True but i am pretty sure sony is losing money with such high end specs at a 399 price. They are surely eating up the cost somewhere.
Godz Kastro  +   931d ago
You get a bubble just for having esco as ur avatar!
BattleTorn  +   931d ago
Or $350, with no Kinect, no 500HD. (let people buy a 2TB external)
Godz Kastro  +   931d ago
Old school gamers know how hard it is to add a device after youve lauinched system. This is a smart mve that will pay off later down the road. Once components are cheaper they can price drop.

Remember, MS is not in a bad position financially. They can price drop and still keep it moving. I think they would do that before removing it. Kinect is built into it from ground up. Everyone that has tried it talks about how much better and precise it is. Cant wait!!!!
devwan  +   931d ago
"This is a smart mve that will pay off later down the road"

Or it's the millstone around the One's neck as it'll always have that extra cost involved and find it hard to compete...
Godz Kastro  +   931d ago
I guess we'll see...
BattleTorn  +   931d ago
You've highlighted a very good point, by making Kinect mandatory, they stand a better chance of bringing down the manufacturing costs of it (not only the console itself) post launch.

Bringing the cost per Kinect down would be much more difficult if it were optional.
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cee773  +   931d ago
@ battle

Kinect launched @ $150 now there as low as $50 lol the x1 kinect is what the original should of been. milo demo anyone?

X1 kinect is nothing more than what what Microsoft promised on the original.
They gimped the original simply to save on costs and sell you another Mandatory with the new system.
WeAreLegion  +   931d ago
MS is not in a bad position financially?!?

Their investors are ready to slit throats at this point! Windows 8 flopped. Surface is a bust and prices are going down on all models. They may have a lot of money, but they can't keep screwing up like this. This is about how Sony looked before Kaz took over. They were bleeding money left and right.
JohnJoakly  +   931d ago
DrM - is built into it, Kinect is built into it. lalalaa. DrM reversal, Kinect is a Marketing Gold Mine.
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SilentGuard  +   931d ago
Exactly, marketing is the real reason for pushing Kinect and making it mandatory for the console to function. It will allow MS to recieve higher advertising revenues for targeted ads. It's a tool for smart advertising.
mochachino  +   931d ago
XOne at $400 without Kinect I'd still go with PS4

But Xone at $350 without Kinect I'd seriously consider and probably end up buying.
thechosenone  +   931d ago
Good. Keep it priced high and let the PS4 smoke you.
pyramidshead  +   931d ago
crikey how many rethinks are they going to consider >_<. I kinda liked XB1 with the kinect as a concept that made the two consoles very different but I'd be lying if I wouldn't actually consider getting a the new xbox without kinect. I'm predicting tears will flow for all the diehard X1ers out there who claimed it a vital component if they do.

For when they do announce a kinectless XB1 however, I'm gonna call it now and say that I think a certain type of fanbase is going to be to blame for this :P, as per usual.
denawayne  +   931d ago
When did MS consider removing Kinect?
pyramidshead  +   931d ago
oh my bad lol, I watched the lastest machinima inside gaming episode today and then refreshed n4g and saw this. Never mind haha. Good news for X1ers then!
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GodGinrai  +   931d ago
"crikey how many rethinks are they going to consider"

Dont be so quick to jump the gun..did you even read the title,man?
pyramidshead  +   931d ago
Take your own advice, read the comment above yours lol.
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Godmars290  +   931d ago
they can dispute it all they want, if people don't buy it, Kinect will likely be a key factor.
thrust  +   931d ago
Price does not bother me at all, it's for a console that will last for years....

Cheap people are cheap.
Sleepless  +   931d ago
Here in Spain preorder offers go like:

450Eur Xboxone
499Eur Xboxone + Forza5 or Ryse

And It will probably get more agressive, so the price difference its going down...
from the beach  +   931d ago
Be brave, MS.

The new Kinect looks great and opens up the door for all kinds of cool applications, as well as serious potential to hit a bigger market.

A lot of the people who think they don't like it will end up loving it.
ShwankyShpanky  +   931d ago
A lot of the people who think they like it will end up hating it.

I love Baseless Assumption Day!
JohnJoakly  +   931d ago
Those that first loved it, may end up hating it, after the onslaught of personalized ads begins.
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hazelamy  +   931d ago
well, that's a shame.
GodGinrai  +   931d ago
They should keep it bundled. The devs who CAN come up with creative uses for it will. the rest can ignore it. Either way devs wont have ask themselves if its worth developing game mechanics for a device that not all X1 owners have.

Disagree all you guys want. N4g has already made up its mind about X1 and i honestly dont give a shit about your feelings towards kinect. those that buy X1 will see its benefits in and out of gaming sessions.
AceBlazer13  +   931d ago
If the Kinect has such potential why not leave it up to the consumer to buy the product.
Funky Town_TX  +   931d ago
Good for M $. $400 is still my limit.
DarkBlood  +   931d ago
If i cant get one without Kinect as im not going to use it at all then i guess theres no sale from me then.

rather not do more things at the same time just to play a game.
GDDR6_2014  +   931d ago
What do you mean a report from anonymous source is incorrect?
Dlacy13g  +   931d ago
edit: wrong post... lol
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Rockstar_5  +   931d ago
Lmao at the dreamers though they would get kinect less Xbox one get a ps4 and stop whining
Ashby_JC  +   931d ago
I think some want MS to remove it. Just so they can whine that MS changed there minds again.

And then there are some that KNOW that kinect is what is separating the X1 from the PS4.

IMO I feel MS MUST include the KINECT....its something that sets you apart from the PS4.
AceBlazer13  +   931d ago
True if they remove the Kinect now their console would basically lose its personality since they already removed some of its features already.
Godz Kastro  +   931d ago
Great point, otherwise it would be the same gen all over again with exclusive games on each side as the difference.

This sets them apart, will allow app creation not just game implementation which will attract more casuals which dont mind spending 500 because they buy ipad yearly. $500 every what 7-8 years... kidding me? Keep it in MS im buying two!
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Ashby_JC  +   931d ago
I would have to say im not that interested in Kinect....but if they were to NOT include it in every system...I would be dissapointed.

My reasoning is that having it packaged together ..devs will know that ALL X1s have Kinect so down the road better uses for it could potentially pop up.


LOL @ the few who say...if MS sells they X1 without Kinect...they MIGHT get one. GTFOH with that. I guess MS should remove it in the hopes that you MIGHT get it, SMH
ShwankyShpanky  +   931d ago
"Might" is better than "won't," is it not?
CuddlyREDRUM  +   931d ago
The price point should be at $400 with Kinect. Taking another walk on the wild side for any launch Xbox is asking for trouble.
vigilante_man  +   931d ago
Most games won't use it in the first few years and multi-platform games won't use it because PS4 does not.

It is only mandatory because of its TV features. MS will push those features to appeal to a mass audience. Gamers will not benefit greatly.

As many have pointed out within these comments we have a choice of PS4 or XB1. I am grateful to Sony for allowing me that choice.

And all XB1 purchasers should be grateful to Sony for not implementing DRM when it would of been easy to copy MS. I value my privacy (Kinnect/PS Eye) and do not want to be an unpaid advertising tool. Let's hope we can all continue to game with freedom!
threefootwang  +   931d ago
This just seals the deal for me. I was fed up with my 360 (glad I was able to sell it) and fed up with MS and all of their BS. Going to suck not having Halo in my house anymore as I've been a fan since the original Xbox, but hey, that's what you get when a company tells it hardcore fanbase to go f*ck themselves! Makes buying my future PS4 that much easier.
Psychotica  +   931d ago
First thing I would do is tape a mirror to that eye sensor so it can't watch itself. Not a chance I would ever play a kinect game.
JohnS1313  +   931d ago
What Microsoft means to say is we can't spy on everyone if we don't include Kinect so no go.
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