This week, Adam talks fanboys and the possibility of cheaper games in the next-gen
This is the first console gen where I've heard the word "apologist" used so frequently. I'm assuming one kid used it and everyone else just ran with it. Back to the point. What Adam is suggesting is interesting to say the least. Consoles bring out a lot of anger in people. The question is why. I'm guessing that these people have other much more serious problems that are non-gaming related and they use consoles/gaming as a method of venting. Its the same reason why people resort to racial/homophobic slurs when gaming online. If playing a video game gets you angry to that point, then you need some serious counseling.
"I'm guessing that these people have other much more serious problems that are non-gaming related and they use consoles/gaming as a method of venting" I think this is a little off. I reckon the reason people argue an bicker over console brands is partly the same reason people pick a sports team or a certain brand of clothes. people just love to pick a side and pick a fight.
Exactly. They make an identity for themselves through a brand or team. (ie Coke v Pepsi.) So, in this case it is the consoles (and PC) that people create their identity through. This is further parsed through some of the games themselves (ie Battlefield v Call of Duty). You will find fanboys fighting over consoles on one topic only to unite under another.
your right and it usually stems from boredom, immaturity and lack of self esteem. most of them are socially inept loners who really have no idea how to act with others. they use the forums as a way of expressing themselves since in the real world they likely get laughed at, picked on or even worse, ignored.
Its okay to have a preference for a certain sports team or brand of clothes, but a person who does so to the point where he/she throws physical blows (happens in sports all the time) or engages in vicious arguments that questions/insults another persons race, ethnic background, or gender identity is a whole different beast. For example, I prefer Taco Bell to other fast food restaurants...does that mean that competing restaurants are "fudgepackers" or "phaggots"? The difference between being a fanboy and having a preference is quite clear.
who are the worst fanboys on this site, nintendo or pc or microsoft/xbox or sony? who usually starts it the most in the forums here, microsoft/xbox, sony, nintendo or pc fanboys? who trolls the most on this site, microsoft/xbox, sony, pc or nintendo fanboys?
No, it's more like being part of a team or supporting a football team, only with consoles it's a much smaller league and you're either blue or green (or maybe you're alternative and support Nintendo in the lower leagues /jk)
True but the way some people try to get their point across whether it's on here or other popular social websites is by making personal attacks or to the point of threatening people which really raises an eyebrow. The Nintendo fanboys are the worst by far IMO ;)
@LOL_WUT You see exactly the same and much, much worse when it comes to football fans on their forums and no doubt it's just the same elsewhere in other scenes... who knows, maybe the cutthroat underground world of cereal box collection has some of the most hardened fanboys there are? KELLOGS FTW, DEATH TO GENERALMILLS/NESTLE FANBOYS!
@lol_wut "The Nintendo fanboys are the worst by far IMO" It is a mentality issue so there is no one group that is worse and the brand they are supporting is really irrelevant. Not to mention that I have seen you make statements that are meant to fuel this anger from others. Idk if you get a kick out of it but honestly that is just as concerning as those who are the fanboys. Either way though it is an insecurity and identity issue at heart because people become so enamored by a brand that they have to identify with it. When you mess with someone's identity it appears that is when the arguments start to flow.
Nintendo fanboys aren't the worst. They are actually the least mean and nasty in terms of attitude towards other. They just don't except some of Nintendo's faults. I see Xbox & Playstation fanboys says some of the most ignorant things I've ever read. That being said, I'm a fan of all types of games all kinds of genres and definitely more than one company. Love my 360,PC,3DS & PSP and all give me different ways to play games that the others don't. Been a huge xbox fan since 2001, but I'm most likely going to be getting a PS4 & Wii U this generation and maybe an XB1 at a later point if I can afford it. I still don't align with either as I'm my own unique person.
Apologists because of people defending the Xbox's bullcrap DRM. That's when the word really took off.
well said LOGICWINS +bubble. i know im not a fanboy i just like giving crap to some XBOX gamers on N4G. because of the BS they right on here. but real talk im a gamer at heart i don't care what system you play on as long as you keep on gaming and have what? what's it call oh yea FUN. i plan on getting the XBOX ONE when tax's come around but this winter PS4 baby. :)
"This is the first console gen where I've heard the word "apologist" used so frequently. I'm assuming one kid used it and everyone else just ran with it. " Every start of a new console generation there is this one bandwagon people will jump on. In most cases it transcends into the next gen. It's annoying and mostly misinforms people too.
A true "fanboy" is someone who uses it as an accusation, and its the only accusation or response used.
If i HAD to define fanboy I would say that off the top of my head that it is someone who blindly defends/admires a particular company, bashes their competition, and doesn't have a rational or logical basis for their behavior. (EDIT: what I meant was, if I did bash MS it wouldn't necessarily mean I was a fanboy of their competition. I don't often bash them.) I am not a fanboy because I bash MS, though some would assume I'm a Sony fanboy. I do admire what Sony has done, but I also game on Nintendo consoles and PCs. I've even considered getting an xbox to play Halo with friends, but it never happened. What I am saying is that I have a rational basis for my decisions and often irrefutable logic to back up my spiel. Also I don't have a problem with my friends personally who play xbox, even though I prefer Playstation and game at their houses sometimes. Fanboyism often becomes personal and emotional as we often see on here. haha
I disagree. that is simply a symptom of their behaviour when on the defence. A fanboy is somebody who doesnt really question the company they support yet dismisses and downs any competing product at any given opportunity..even when it is not called for. I see plenty of that around here.... EDIT: the first sign of a fanboy is trolling. The smarter they are , the more subtle. especially on N4G..thats why certain people have so many bubbles yet seem so one sided in there comments.
haha, good comment. It's probably the case that the smarter people are the less time they spend trolling too. There's also the probability that some of them actually work for competing companies or are paid in one way or another. Anyway, wasn't Sessler annoyingly whining about that GOW Ascension trophy, or did people blow that out of proportion?
"Grouping around corporate entities and kind of raging on on their behalf without ever receiving a pay check" This is exactly what I have always wondered about fanboys, why do they champion a corporation that does not give a damn about them or pay them. It is illogical and nonsensical to do such a thing. But then again humans whether we like it or not love arguing or fighting over something, human beings love competition and anything that can be made into a competition is. Sports teams, corporatism, patriotism, warfare, advancements, religious beliefs. I have seen every one of these more times than I can count compared and argued. Then again another reason could be that people want to feel like their purchase was the best purchase and they seek endlessly to validate that.
"Then again another reason could be that people want to feel like their purchase was the best purchase and they seek endlessly to validate that." In the case of a single console owner I would say this is true. There is no way that you wont buy both consoles if you can afford. And when you own both and see there benefits, you find less and less reason to pick a side. To me sony and MS are more like togold digging girls constantly fighting for my attention in the living room. I dont bow to their altars..they bow to MY wallet. Never lose sight of that fellow gamers . You owe these companies nothing.
That is exactly it, we owe them nothing and it is up to them to sell us the best possible product. I don't care who sells it, I care about who has the better product and which has the best and most fun gaming library. @devwan And that is why I hate sports in general and just because it happens in one area does not validate it in another. Well there is a fundamental difference here, Sports are a competition through and through, your personal choice of gaming platform is not.
@Einhert Yet that same response I read time after time only makes me wonder why people who offer it are so empty and shallow that they can't see the fun in being part of a team, part of a set, having an opinion and enjoying the banter that comes with that. My guess is the kind of person who has to look for the logic in it and doesn't have a clue how to begin understanding it, they're the same sort of person who has no idea why people enjoy watching sports and vehemently supporting their team... it's all part of the same mindset. Football teams are money-making machines, yet you don't get such a backlash against football supporters for ruthlessly being exploited by the team's owners. So for me, people who like to support a console manufacturer or whatever else they want to be a fanboy about have every right to do so as it's something they enjoy participating in and I don't feel they are being exploited or bled dry as long as they're enjoying themselves and everything that comes with it. Those who don't feel this way are free to pursue their boring noncommittal blandness ;-)
I have noticed allot of playstation people are more aggressive than an xbox person. I want to know why?
because you're in a website where like 80% of the users are PlayStation fans but if you go to IGN then the story changes.
no way jamsam360 omg the BS i hear on XBOX LIVE dude it's crazy bro. more aggressive goes to the xbox live gamers.
I kinda like that about XBL. The lobbys are bloody entertaining. especially when you beat them. meltdown central. I have heard OLD people go nuts on XBL! lol people get heated in the middle of a competitive match. especially if they stick around expecting to "pay you back" in the following match, and that does not happen :).
The way I see it, many, not all, but many fanboys can only afford one platform. They wish the success of a console they own, and the failure of other consoles on the market, as this would increase the games they can play on their console of choice. For example, had the X360 been a failure right from the start, the PS3 would likely have had Tales of Vesperia (in the US and Europe) rather than the X360. If Nintendo were to fail, it could mean having the ability to play Mario/Zelda/Metroid/etc. on another console. They basically want to be able to play all the games they like, on one platform. Even when people own multiple or all consoles, they can still wish for a console to fail, may it be because they wish to have access to a bigger online community, or simply as a result of brand loyalty. In the end, I do believe brand loyalty is a good thing, but I also believe that there's no need to attack another product or its supporters in order to show your love/loyalty to a brand/product. For example, if you really like the PS4, go and promote the PS4 and its game library, there's no need to go around insulting people who like the Xbox One or bring down the Xbox One. Same with Xbox One supporters, leave the PS4 and its supporters alone, and promote the Xbox One without trying to bring down the PS4. In other words, just enjoy whatever console/games you love, and let other people do the same.
many of the fanboys own all the consoles. Just go to N4G forums and get to know a user called Marn... He was an rabid Xbox fan that jumped ship to Sony and even though he owns all consoles he still continues to act like a fanboy but now for the Sony camp.
Yeah I get what he's saying, when you put it as "Grouping around corporate entities and kind of raging on on their behalf without ever receiving a pay check" I owned all three consoles and since 2009 I've leaned more and more towards SONY and now I guess you could call me a fanboy. It's simply because I like their stance on gaming and the experiences they bring. I want to see more TLOU, Uncharted, LBP, GOW, Heavy Rain. Basically I like the variety of games and content SONY produces and I want them to provide more of that kind of innovation. I like Halo and Gears, but I could do without them. I would not have given up my TLOU experience for anything or Uncharted for that matter, it's experiences like those that make me glad to be a gamer. In this dwindling market if one company has to succeed over another, I would like to see SONY be the victor so they can keep on bringing me joy.
these days having a preference or an opinion is fanboyism, that is true.
@Zero you expressed your favorite console with out insulting the other. I wish more comments were like yours but sadly there isn't. Honestly if some stated there reasons for liking Xbox the way you stated for liking Sony, they would get disagrees or possibly questioned. I see it all the time here. Other than nice comment.
@ AngelicIce I'm sorry to disagree with such a polite response, but I didn't mention that another big part of the reason I hope SONY is more successful this time around is also because of my personally miserable experience with my Xbox's technical problem including RROD almost immediately after I bought it and another RROD a few years later. The customer service was horrible, I never felt like I got my value's worth from XboxLive and I always wondered why my dash had Ads all over it when I was paying a subscription fee already. The way MS treated its customers earlier this year was not really a surprise to me. I don't want Xbox to fail because that would be bad for the competitive spirit amongst developers and manufacturers, but it would be nice to see Microsoft sweat a little for being assholes so they don't do it the next time around. And to your other point. I've seen a lot of Xbox commenters stating quite frankly that their favorite franchises/friends remain on Xbox and so they will too, and I respect that. But I usually downvote the comments that blatantly ignore numbers or make up random "facts" that paint the Playstation in a negative light. I have a hard time understanding why some people are so stubbornly loyal to MS despite it having all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. The moral of this story is that Nintendo fans are probably the least belligerent.
One of the most annoying things to me is that it's hard to criticize without being called a fanboy. If you have a preference, it's like you're precluded from being able to talk about another system. I find myself often over-qualifying my comments just to avoid the people that dismiss an argument because it's critical. OTOH, I've noticed that thought out critical responses also don't tend to get the most replies. Those are usually saved for the trolls, which makes no sense, since many in this thread seems to want a better community with rational reasonable discussion. Otherwise, I find in general the calling out of someone as a fanboy is just a way to dismiss their argument without having to put any real thought into a reply. Bring down the other person, instead of lifting oneself up.
Fanboy is just a handy tag people like to put on platform supporters and usually as a way to feel better about themselves in some way. For me, there's nothing dirty or twisted about being a fan of one particular brand or label, we all do it in all aspects of our lives from the drinks we consume to the clothes we wear. Only when it comes to consoles it's frowned upon because... well why is it? Platform zealotry is nothing new, it's been around since C64 vs Spectrum, ST vs Amiga, SNES vs Mega Drive. It's a part of gaming history and a big part of its identity. That's not being suckered into a corporate nightware of wallet-raping, it's just being a fan of a fun, enjoyable hobby! Personally the ones I feel sorry for are those who own every format and puff out their chest with their air of superiority and look down on those who like a single platform and their pursuit of being a fan of it... that kind of attitude is just as "bad" as fanboyism to me because it's equally as deviant as being a "fanboy" ;-)
It's the same thing as two people in a fight who support different sports teams, characters in books, or anything else branded. You look at them and ask yourself why they're fighting, and the answer is pretty simple: People just like to fight, especially when its over something that they're passionate about.
I think Sess is a PS/MS fanboy, he refuses to acknowledge Nintendo exists anymore when talking about games, fanboys, next gen, or anything coming to that U system.
In other words, he's one of those stereotypical gamers.
Well for me I have a personal dislike towards companies who have given me poor service. I used to love MS but I had issues with the 360 and received pretty piss poor customer service. Now I speak from my experience and am not generalizing them that everybody receives the same poor service. But after much todo with a red ring and shipping issues and having to have some kid be condescending when I call to unlink my credit card info from a broken system just makes me not want to do business with them anymore. Now with a mandatory camera and flip flopping I have no problems writing the Xbox brand off for good. I'm a consumer. He who treats me well gets my money. Period.
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