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Submitted by donniebaseball 419d ago | news

Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year

GI.biz: Colin Sebastian says supply chain checks show Microsoft's new system gaining momentum, fate of Wii U rests on holiday software lineup (PS4, Wii U, Xbox One)

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Abriael  +   419d ago | Funny
Dude know so much that he thinks that there's a $50 difference in the price between the two consoles. Go figure.
buddymagoo  +   419d ago | Well said
The thing is Microsoft will ship as many as they can to stores, it doesn't mean they will all sell.
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devwan  +   419d ago
I think they'll sell all they can ship but they just aren't making the right noises to suggest it'll be anything like adequate (hence the limited worldwide roll out).
edonus  +   419d ago
Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well. Their is nothing that suggests otherwise than internet ramblings of sony supporters.

They have sold out pre orders and they havent even started marketing yet. I know as a Sony supporter the first thing you want to say is but Ps4 did it faster and reply is it doesnt matter. I never said Ps4 would not be successful.

I am not as delusional as the sony zealots are. Success is independent of the competition. Its not like if Sony makes a billion it lessens MS 950 million.

And as for worldwide roll out MS is doing the smart thing. Put their supply in the most important markets. Japan doesnt by MS anyway so bring those consoles to the US to get that jump while Sony fiddles with Japan. I havent heard anything about them not launching anywhere else but i would say the more hardware they get in the US and Europe the better, especially the US.
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inveni0  +   419d ago | Well said
"Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year"

Lots of things "COULD" happen. I could start pooping monkey-shaped golden nuggets. It's just not likely.

Though that would be a cool bar trick.
Cmk0121  +   419d ago
agreed but if people have to wait to play their favorite next gen games they will get whats available sometimes
nukeitall  +   419d ago
You can't argue with analyst that does this for a living, has inside sources and know where to look.

Also note, about the price. It wasn't the analyst that got it wrong, it was the website!

"[CORRECTION]: This article originally misstated the price gap between the Xbox One and PS4. The mistake was ours, not Sebastian's. We regret the error."
gaffyh  +   419d ago | Well said
MS won't outship Sony if the yield problems are true. It's just not possible. And looking at the unit numbers a lot of retailers have got, it definitely looks like Sony is shipping way more than MS right now.

@nuke - Somehow, that makes his predictions even worse. At least if he thought the gap was $50, then that's not a huge margin in a consumer's mind. But $100 difference, and he thinks it will sell 3:1? Wow, this just shows you, learn to appreciate Pachter. He might be bad, but he's nowhere near as bad as some of these analysts.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   419d ago | Well said
It could be true. Microsoft is known for "stuffing the channels". I remember when Kinect came out and it was OMG the FASTEST SELLING (shipping) piece of electronics in the HISTORY OF MANKIND!! And it sold/shipped 10 million in two months...and then four months later Kinect sales were still at 10 million...because Microsoft channel-stuffed.

Then again, there's a lot of evidence that Microsoft is having supply issues.

Either way, anyone confident in Microsoft's ability to launch a reliable console...I pity your ignorance.
Ju  +   419d ago
MS running the FUD machine again. Nothing new here.
YNWA96  +   419d ago
@invenio, what kind of sauce would you serve with that?
inveni0  +   419d ago
I wouldn't eat my golden poop nuggets. I'd save them and melt them down and sell them to a gold exchange and use the money I make to buy an Xbox One... /s
creatchee  +   419d ago
@dedicatedtogamers

"I remember when Kinect came out and it was OMG the FASTEST SELLING (shipping) piece of electronics in the HISTORY OF MANKIND!! And it sold/shipped 10 million in two months...and then four months later Kinect sales were still at 10 million...because Microsoft channel-stuffed."

And now Kinect is at 25 million. Did they "stuff" an additional 15 million then?
MysticStrummer  +   419d ago | Well said
@Ed

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

Reality says no.

MS has put out more than a few failed products. A quick Google search would show you this.
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darkride66  +   419d ago
Same analyst who said the Xbox One would retail between $350-$400. I respect the work that analysts do after a decade spent in the brokerage industry but this is just speculation on his part. Saying the Xbox One could possibly have the potential to push out more units doesn't mean that it'll happen. We're already having multiple suppliers reporting they don't have stock of the Xbox One for launch. Certainly interest in the Xbox One is up from it's E3 debacle with DRM, but to what extent? We really have no idea what demand is actually like because no one has revealed any figures on pre-orders or shipments.
ThanatosDMC  +   419d ago
Ignorant author must have been living under a rock to miss the price by that much.
DigitalRaptor  +   419d ago
@ edonus

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

"I am not as delusional as the sony zealots are"

Conflicting statements show your hypocrisy, as MysticStrummer pointed out, but oh well.. I'm not expecting any less from a Microsoft apologist. We're not even talking about comparative failure here - we're talking about Microsoft falling short of their plan to completely and utterly dominate the gaming market.
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Sitdown  +   419d ago
@dedicatedtogamers

"Either way, anyone confident in Microsoft's ability to launch a reliable console...I pity your ignorance"

I don't remember, did the original xbox have reliability issues?
aiBreeze  +   419d ago
"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well. Their is nothing that suggests otherwise than internet ramblings of sony supporters. "

That's funny, I could have swore I saw multiple news stories in the last week or so claiming the surface wasn't doing that well and has cost Microsoft a fair bit of money.

Also, everytime you blame sony fanboys for all things Microsoft hate, do you actually start to believe it a little bit more?
GribbleGrunger  +   419d ago
It depends on what the author means by 'outship'. Sony are targeting the WW market but it appears that MS are focusing more on certain regions. We may see many headlines suggesting the X1 is outshipping the PS4, so I hope the balanced amongst us will point out the WW shipment numbers, just to keep it sensible. For instance, how many X1s are MS shipping in Asia, the so called 'second tier' region? (Microsoft's words not mine)
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MasterCornholio  +   419d ago
@EdoNUS

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

Like the surface tablets or the Zune MP3 players right?

Motorola RAZR i
DragonKnight  +   419d ago
@nukeitall: "You can't argue with analyst that does this for a living, has inside sources and know where to look."

Oh really?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/...
JokesOnYou  +   419d ago
Abriel, it wasn't his mistake the author corrected it.

"CORRECTION]: This article originally misstated the price gap between the Xbox One and PS4. The mistake was ours, not Sebastian's. We regret the error."
-Brendan Sinclair-Games Industry

gaffyh "MS won't outship Sony if the yield problems are true."

So an analyst who does this for a living says his "supply chain checks show Microsoft's new system gaining momentum" and you respond "if yeild problems are true", hmmm with micro's financial resources and a industry analyst saying his data points to micro having 2-3x unit advantage at launch I know which sounds more creditable.

@Dragonknight, we all know Pachter is wrong because he spends to much time on gametrailers and such doing shows instead of doing his job, you can tell he loves the spotlight more than he does fact checking at Wedbush.
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gaffyh  +   419d ago
@JOY - All evidence points to Xbone having less units than PS4 from several retail stores. GameStop were even offering unlimited preorders for PS4 but not for Xbone. That suggests that there are more PS4s available for preorder already. Unless MS has a massive additional production run, I can't see them catching up to Sony in the amount of units, let alone make 3 times as many!

I mean come on, he might be an analyst, but that's just not possible. MS would have to increase production three or four times.
malokevi  +   419d ago
"MS won't outship Sony if the yield problems are true. It's just not possible. "

How on earth do you figure that? And how does logic like that get 17 likes and 4 dislikes?

this place never ceases to amaze me.
fr0sty  +   419d ago
MS was rumored to be having major issues with yields (and costs as well as a result) due to problems with the EDRAM. There is evidence of this in the retail channel already. Many stores are reporting having many more PS4 pre-order allotments per store than XB1. Both Gamestop and Amazon have had more pre-orders available for PS4 than XB1.

That, and analysts are quite often wrong. Especially video game market analysts. This market would have collapsed by now if half the things Pachter predicted ever came true.

So, you can laud his analyst credentials all you want, but it does not change the fact that so far all hard evidence that we can see points to XB1 being the console that is having supply issues. One analyst coming out of nowhere with a ridiculous claim, citing unnamed sources, is not going to convince the rest of the world that what they are seeing evidence of isn't true.
edonus  +   419d ago
Oh...... I forgot where I was for a minute there. My point wasnt any product MS puts out will sell but whatever amount of consoles they put out..... I should have clarified.

Once people see what the ONE can do and the commercials start flowing I just dont see anything stopping it. Once gamers get a taste of a majority if not all games playing on dedicated severs. And all the cool features.

The ONE is going to be a mega hit.... you guys like to self blind so you cant see how impressive the ONE will look when someone has their friends and family over. That thing is going to be the talk of the town.
Ashunderfire86  +   419d ago
If PS4 is sold out first, Then people will feel the pressured to buy Xbox One, because it is also a next gen system. There will always be people who want to get the latest technology, and brag about to their friends.
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   419d ago
@edonus and others

Funny how MS fans dismiss internet complains on the matter of sales of a console that initially pushed for an online only policy... Internet people IS the target audience. And seriously, what makes you think that the target audience is not speaking when there has been some hundreds of polls (not all conducted online) all pointing at most people not wanting an Xbox One or out right prefering a PS4?

I'm not saying it won't sell well, specially at first. Of course it will, I'm yet to see a console that don't sell every first units shipped, it's the nature of the business, new stuff sells... It's the long haul everyone is concerned.

Personally, I don't think MS will go into irrelevance like some doom and gloom articles push either, but quite frankly you got to be delusional to think MS is having a good start.
blind-reaper  +   419d ago
"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well"

like the Kin and the Zune?
morganfell  +   419d ago
So the PS4 is launching worlwide but the X1 is launching in a very limited number of territories yet it will outship the PS4.

PS4 spent more time in the pre-order number 1 spots for the US on Amazon, Best Buy, and Gamestop yet the X1 will outship the PS4?

Okay, that's believable.../s.
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gaffyh  +   419d ago
@malokevi - See fr0sty's reply. Thanks fr0sty, was going to reply and say the same thing. I don't get how people don't understand what "yield issues" means, although of course they may not of heard of the supply issues that have been widely rumored.
morganfell  +   419d ago
"You can't argue with analyst that does this for a living, has inside sources and know where to look. "

Really? One name...Michael Pachter... All the accuracy of a 20 year old Daisy air rifle.

This is one post I am bookmarking so I can come back later and make sure some people do not forget what they said.
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abzdine  +   419d ago
all i wish them is good luck, they're gonna need it
Saigon  +   419d ago
I thought this was interesting, I searched google for yield issues just for clarification so I wouldn't speak out of term and the first artice that cam up was something from Neogaf:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

The google search:

https://www.google.com/sear...
Megaton  +   419d ago
Yeah, they've been caught channel stuffing to inflate sales numbers numerous times in the past.
lemondish  +   419d ago
The problem there is that the EDRAM is actually much harder to source than all that superfluous GDDR5 that was hanging around the industry in preparation for Windows 8.

With the PS4 already cleared via FCC, which is surprisingly early, I don't think Microsoft will have a 3 to 1 lead on shipping. Not even close. I actually expect them to be significantly behind.
badz149  +   419d ago
I want whatever this analyst is smoking! sounds like a pretty good stuff! meh...scratch that. if Pachter is anything to go by, analyst can be wrong ALL the freaking time and then some and still make money! I want that money instead. please...
BattleAxe  +   419d ago
"Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year"

Yeah......now back to reality.
miyamoto  +   419d ago
MS PR dept will keep instilling this erroneous information again and again in the media until it changes the general perception of the PS4 advantage.

We fought this misinformation campaign against the PS3 and we beat M$ eventually but looks like they are at it again.

Its like mixing in flouride with tap water to make American dumber and dumber as the days goes by.
frankiebeans  +   419d ago
@edonus. "Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

umm windows 8? nope. argument is pretty much dead nice try trying not to sound like a fanboy and down playing everyone that supports ps4, you sound just like everyone else.
CommonSense  +   419d ago
I'll be gettin both. Kiss my ass with your console war.
JackStraw  +   419d ago
mewhy32  +   419d ago
I'm curious to how the pre-order numbers stack up?
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   419d ago | Well said
Doubt it. Only ps4 is doing a world wide launch.

MS is betting mostly on the west and USA being the main country.

ps4 is #5 on amazon usa
http://www.amazon.com/best-...
and xbox #55 and going down.
http://www.amazon.com/best-...

On the bright side xbox one has a chance of beating ps4's controller.

Over all I don't trust MS to support core gamers the whole generation. I feel they just need to get them to buy then shift to kinect again.

Who goes out their way to push a camera with a console for $500??

They have yet to prove themselves to give a console long term support with new IP's.

Sony did it with ps2 and now with ps3(gt6, beyond, TLOU, ni no kuni, ratchet & clank etc...). And xbox? gears 4, halo, forza. So ps4 it is for me.

In fact MS are doing the same things over again. Remember when mass effect series & bioshock was xbox only? But still on pc?? Like project spark and titanfall?.
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Godmars290  +   419d ago
Why are people still buying XBL points when MS is getting rid of them?
trafalger  +   419d ago
"Only ps4 is doing a world wide launch."

that's not what i heard. show me where sony confirmed this.

http://blog.games.com/2013/...

notice how those are the two areas the xbox360 does well in. why is a japanese company not confirming a japan release date first?
DrRobotnik  +   419d ago
Ps4 #4 now
Ausbo  +   419d ago
@godmars

Microsoft will be converting all leftover microsoft points into money. So you dont lose anything when they switch over
Darrius Cole  +   419d ago
Sony should not do a worldwide simultaneous launch anyway. They should release first in the US and Europe, where they will have to compete with the Xbone. They should put as many units in those two markets as they can to prevent the Xbone from building up a big lead there. Once the supply lines are primed and can provide all the units they need, Sony should go into Japan and the other markets. MS should do the same thing.
drsfinest72  +   419d ago
Ohsorry I didn't know amazon is a credible source for the whole world. You do know theres more than one retailer in the world, right?
lawgone  +   419d ago
But then if you click "Best Selling in Video Games in 2013" it has PS4 at #3 and XB1 and #6. Most wished for has PS4 #1 and XB1 at #3 and #11 (different versions.) Not sure how all those numbers jive.
kneon  +   419d ago
@drsfinest72

Amazon is likely to have something similar sales patterns to other retailers so it is a good indicator. And if you checked out Amazon sites for other countries the situation for the xbox one looks quite poor.
thrust  +   419d ago
Sony paying amazon again a?

Only put this because the article which said xbox one pre orders doing well in game, ps fans said MS whee paying game.
SniperControl  +   419d ago
@drsfinest72

Erm, you will find that Amazon is the biggest online retailer in the world.
frankiebeans  +   419d ago
ps move selling better than xbox one lol
MysticStrummer  +   419d ago
Last I saw, PS4 had 2-3 times as many pre-orders made available in stores, and was still sold out faster than One.
sensor21  +   419d ago
All consoles will be sold out at launch and if u think otherwise think again.
MysticStrummer  +   419d ago
@sensor - What does that have to do with what I said?

If PS4 has 60 available preorders per store and One has 20, and by the way those numbers are close to what has been reported, they can both sell out but PS4 will have shipped and sold 3 times as many.
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tuglu_pati  +   419d ago
@MysticStrummer

link or it never happened
sAVAge_bEaST  +   419d ago
I went to 2 gamestops in my area,. 1st time ,before the ceiling was lifted on ps4. it was 15 xone allotments,.to 28 ps4... then Ps4 allowed more pre-orders. so 40-60, isn't out of the ballpark.
MysticStrummer  +   419d ago
@tuglu

http://www.expertreviews.co...

That's from about a month ago and it shows PS4 having an even bigger allocation advantage than what I said, but if you look at current Amazon listings both consoles are sold out and PS4 has sold more, which indicates more available at launch.

All those numbers can change between now and launch, hence why I said "Last I saw..."

@Savage - I got that 60 number from this article, which is also about a month old now...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...
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lawgone  +   419d ago
@MysticStrummer...from your first link: "Neither Sony nor Microsoft have indicated how many consoles they are producing for launch day, but GameTrailers' sources suggest that at least one GameStop store has 138 PS4 consoles in its allocation, with 66 actively having been pre-ordered by customers already, to just 18 Xbox Ones." - That's a "GameTrailers' source" who is so well connected he got someone at ONE GameStop to tell him their allocation.

Same for the the other link. Fact is, no one really knows except people very high up in each organization and they are not going to talk unless they want to risk losing a high paying job, for what, to satisfy some fanboy's requests? Come on now. They're both gonna sell like hotcakes.
MysticStrummer  +   419d ago
@lawgone - Which is why I said "Last I saw...". Of course both are going to sell. I'm just questioning the premise of the article because all indications are that (so far) there are more PS4s allocated for preorder than there are Ones. That means more PS4s will be shipped. There's a long time before launch and the numbers will change for both.

There's another article that said GameStop got 60 PS4s and 16 Ones, but I'm not going to look for it. It's the article I was looking for in response to tugli, but I couldn't remember the search terms that made it turn up before and I erased my history so I settled for the link I posted.

Again, all numbers will change by launch, I'm just questioning this article based on available evidence. With both consoles sold out on Amazon and PS4 having sold more, that implies more PS4s will be available.
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tuglu_pati  +   419d ago
@MysticStrummer

A link with a unknown source is practically a rumor, but nice try.
JokesOnYou  +   419d ago
Mystic from your own links:

1st link:
"Sony now appears confident that it will be able to handle the demand, with unconfirmed figures suggesting stores are being provided with almost ten times as many PS4 units for pre-order as Xbox Ones."

2nd link;
“Due to high demand, GameStop is not taking additional store reservations for the Xbox One Day One Edition,” a GameStop rep told the site. “However, reservations can still be made [online].

-lol, whos point are you trying to prove? I think the only thing that suggests ps4 has more allocations is Amazons higher preorder rank for ps4, as for totals at other stores who knows but that comes back to like Ive said before the sellout X1 was on a steady incline to closing the gap with ps4 on Amazon and this article points to a rise in allocations overall.
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Fergusonxplainsall  +   419d ago
This is true the Xbox will ship more in US 3 to 1, because they don't sell in other countries well.

So I expect we will have a ton of Xbox one's at retail. Ps4 will be like the original Wii for awhile, where people have to wait for shipments.

Every preorder I've heard of, the PS4 is always almost double that of Xb1..Sad but true.

Even when MS ships elsewhere, if they don't sell they get them back and make bundles to release in the states.

I'll buy a bundle.
Mikelarry  +   419d ago
yeah i logged on to read article to see how he came to that conclusion and once i saw "$50 difference" i just closed the window and moved on. at the very least get your facts straight before making such a claim
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Rhaigun  +   419d ago
Exactly. This article just screams, "I'm making this all up."
dmeador  +   419d ago
Maybe you should have continued reading. It was an error on the websites part
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   419d ago
Great to see Sony fans scream out.. ."shipped numbers!!!" when that's all Sony would be giving out this current gen.

LMAO.
aiBreeze  +   419d ago
Great to see another x-tard trying to discredit all the hate as Sony fanboys.
kenshiro100  +   419d ago
You do realize that Sony must report sale numbers, right?
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   419d ago
Ironic comment from aiBreeze. You sure told me!

@shadowgeist00... where are these Sony sales numbers? They sure don't report NPD numbers anymore. I wonder why?
Maninja  +   419d ago
Are you serious? GameStop had an unlimited amount of PS4 preorders, and they still sold out. The Xbox One got to a point where you couldn't preorder it in store if you wanted to. The PS4 is doing better all around. Those aren't numbers, that's just logic
HammadTheBeast  +   419d ago
Amazon US.

PS4 - #4

Xbox One - #52

GG.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   419d ago
NPD USA...

Xbox 360... 30 months in a row winning sales... Number one console sold overall in the biggest market in the World, USA.
dmeador  +   419d ago
@Maninja So Gamestop went through the bounds of unlimited? Maybe you need to check that logic
Seafort  +   419d ago
And #3 worldwide. USA isn't the biggest market in the world, Europe is. It has been for years.

I just wonder what month MS will drop total support for X360 like they did with Xbox.

I say January right after the X180 is launched :)
Cryptcuzz  +   419d ago
What is the point of going on about NPD numbers? That is only for the U.S, if it is not known to you yet, there is more to the world then just the U.S. Europe alone would cancel or even be a little more in terms of potential sales then the U.S.

On top of that, last I checked, the PS3 is ahead of the 360 in terms of total WORLDWIDE sales.

That leaves the 360 in dead last in overall sales. So what exactly is your point again?
MysticStrummer  +   419d ago
@Midnighter - It's pretty bizarre that you're bringing up 360 NPD numbers in an article about PS4 and One, especially since it's common knowledge that PS3 has outsold 360.

Look at Amazon numbers for NA and see which console, PS4 or One, has sold more so far. Then look at Amazon numbers for the rest of the world. The One doesn't even show up in the top 100 in some EU territories.

Saying XBox One could outship PS4 at all, much less 3 to 1, is like saying the human race will make contact with extraterrestrials. It could happen, but so far there is no real evidence to support that claim.

@tugli #1.3.8 - "A link with a unknown source is practically a rumor, but nice try."

Sure man, just ignore that the article links to Wall Street Journal and GameTrailers. lol
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TheFanboySlayer  +   419d ago
The USA is where the biggest market is but PS$ outsold them everywhere else sooooooo it is pretty even but sony have outsold xbox according to vgchartz but vgchartz doesnt update their numbers that quickly so it may be different. All I can say is that they are dead even

Edit: I posted late you guys already told him the facts. good job lol
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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   419d ago
I brought up NPD numbers because other dude brought up Amazon USA numbers. One group of USA numbers deserves another.
jatakk  +   419d ago
@hamad..

The amazon sales you're reporting is a bit off! If you see total sales so far in 2013 the ps4 is #3 and one is #6

Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

GG
kenshiro100  +   419d ago
Sony isn't obligated to report to NPD. They report to their shareholders.

You fail again.
karl  +   419d ago
how can u feel any pride on that?

a year headstart and it still loses to sony

how crippled is MS loosing with such an advantage..

and ps3 was really unpopular cuz of bad marketting and a high price..

now ps4 is seen as the most powerful console with a cheaper price and launching on the same month probably

u gotta be stupid to think MS is gonna win this one..
jetlian  +   419d ago
EU isnt bigger than NA when it comes to sales by system

eu ps3/360= 31.26/ 24.39 total 55.65
NA ps3/360= 26.84/ 44.20 total 71.04
B-radical  +   419d ago
In australia its a 50 dollar diff
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allformats  +   419d ago
That analyst guy is ridiculous and his "supply chain" sources are misguided. Or maybe he's just another MS shill paid to spew out positive MS hoopla.

Because he's making no sense whatsoever.

In fact, from all we've heard, PS4 units have been outnumbering Xbox One at every outlet, even to the point of Sony telling GameStop to "open the floodgates".
Maninja  +   419d ago
And GameStop ran out a couple weeks later. Goes to show how much people prefer it over the Xbox One, which can't even be preordered in store anymore
SpitFireAce85  +   419d ago
Keyword "could" but very doubtful it might put up a fight in the US rest of the world no chance.
thorstein  +   419d ago
It is gamesindustry.biz This site used to be industrygamers but changed the name because no one listened to them. Seems like we need to ignore them again.
Pain  +   419d ago
I Want his time machine!!!!
tuglu_pati  +   419d ago
He's not saying it will but that it could, no time machine needed for that.
Pain  +   419d ago
@ Tuglu in my old age lol i say this to people that make crap up " I'll believe it when i see it until then words are just like a fart in the wind"
JoySticksFTW  +   419d ago
"I Want his time machine!!!!"

Not I.

Mess around and end up in some weird arse alternate dimension where Kinect becomes sentient, initiates Prism Phase 2, overthrows humanity, and rewrites all history books to detail Xbone's 3-1 victory over Sony and other propaganda to control the masses, leaving only the Sony Defense Force and the last remnants of the Nintendo Brotherhood to fight against them.

No thanks.
falcon97  +   419d ago
Maybe xbox 1 will outsell ps4 but how many consumers are buying it for gaming ???it's a cable box with a seperate 360 controller ?? hardly game focused...

ps4/wiiu will have the best attatch rate,wiiu has already got 5 titles that have between 15% and 25% of the total number of consoles sold ?? and lots more with around 5% so attach rate is big on wiiu,and will be just the same on ps4,xbox 1 wont have good attach rates when it comes to games....my opinion.
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tuglu_pati  +   419d ago
Same thing could be said about the pS3 and Bluray. But i guess its not the same with PS3, right.
JeffGUNZ  +   419d ago
@ Falcon97. Hardly game focused? Really? Every credible source at E3 stated MS had much better games then PS3 at that conference. How could you even say something like that? Ryse, Halo 5, Killer Instinct, Forza, Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Quantum Break, they don't look like games to you? Oh wait, what about Watchdogs, BF4, COD Ghosts, Assassins Creed, Destiny? Yeah, the Xbox One will have no games and are clearly not game focused. Do some of you people even think before you type the BS floating around your heads?
kneon  +   419d ago
It's not a cable box, it's a cable box peripheral.
clearelite  +   419d ago
Either way this reeks of more PR or bias.
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Silly gameAr  +   419d ago
Yeah, the PR machine is working overtime for sure.
erathaol  +   419d ago
Quality over Quantity

399 over 499

Transistor over Apathy for Indie Games

Concern of consumer support over Putting more consoles than the market needs during 1st adoption
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MariaHelFutura  +   419d ago
Go to any retail store that sells games and ask for yourselves. They'll tell you what they tell me, there is far more interest in the Ps4 and it has more preorders by alot. Microsoft seems to be kind of rushing things (like the 360) based on the nvidia cards, the faked Kinect demo, almost all the games were 360 games, Forza is being released unfinished and when the began conceptualization on the console. In the end, they can rush out and ship as many consoles as they want it'll be the same result in the end.... them getting outsold by a Playstation platform. Which is why they're rushing, they are scared of the Playstation brand and wish they had a console like the Ps2. They don't want to be embarrassed again like this gen having a year handicap. They needed that handicap to even be competitive.
nypifisel  +   419d ago
It's a pretty stupid article overall with no research at all. If one were to go on allotments alone the PS4 got a way bigger supply than the X1. And that's not even taking in the fact that there are some pretty solid rumours of yield problems concerning the X1, which would hamper supply even more.
3-4-5  +   419d ago
How can the XB1 outship the PS4 when for every 1 XB1 pre-ordered there are 20 PS4's ?

Most gamestops that are full in terms of pre-orders have about:

PS4 - 60-120

XB1 - 16-30

That is roughly the difference in pre-orders.

So how can it outsell it?

The only way I could think of is if Microsoft has a deal with every company it does business with to purchase 1-5 or 5-10 XB1's for their "office" for "work" purposes.

They use this "stat" to say " people are using this for other than gaming...see! "

But really they are back door deals or actually THEY, microsoft will pay these people to say they are using their product for their workspace.

Microsoft really wants this to be a more than games device.
insomnium2  +   419d ago
I can't wait to see the sales. The x-fans will end up with an egg on their face once again. This time there isn't even that much competition between the two. PS4 will most likely lead by 5 million console after the first year. The sales for XBone will flatline after 6 months guaranteed. Unless ofc MS does something drastic and drops the price by 100 dollars after getting beat up 6 months straight.

I cannot wait.
H0RSE  +   419d ago
Your flaw is not realizing that pre-orders do not account for the majority of overall sales. That is how Xbox could potentially outsell ps4.
JLT-Sandwitch  +   419d ago
Possible he was looking at the prices of a diferent country. Here in Australia the rrp of a ps4 is $549 and xbox1 $599. If you said $50 price difference, here you'd be correct
TAURUS-555  +   419d ago
cant wati to se the stores full of xbox1 and everybodys buying PS4s haha
kickerz  +   419d ago
In Australia there is a $50 gap. Xb1 = $599 and PS4 = $549
CEOSteveBallmer  +   419d ago
In the U.S. of A maybe?? But how about the rest of the world?? 4 words!! " I Don't Think So"
avengers1978  +   419d ago
Everything in the press and around the net indicates it will be the other way around and PS4 will out ship XB1... Not sure were these people are pulling this from.
nosferatuzodd  +   419d ago
indeed Microsoft is in full swing with there propaganda now there paying lots of journalist to write crappy articles look at these post Microsoft sales are through the roof Microsoft is going to win next gen Microsoft is going to out ship ps4 3 to 1 lol and the Xbox fans are eating it up
slampunk  +   419d ago
There is only $50 between them in Australia!!!
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Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   419d ago
Whatever ms puts in stores will sell and sell well

Say hi to the zune , win8, and windows phones lol
showtimefolks  +   419d ago
on gaming sites its hard to judge how a console will sell, because we the core gamers will buy it for whatever the price is. But with it comes to casual gamers and or families saving $100 is gonna play a huge role into their purchasing decision

i am interested in finding out how well ps4 sells in the west but i believe it will sell a lot more in Europe and japan because that's where its sony sells strong
miyamoto  +   419d ago
The truth is not the same with the little lies M$ makes up and let slide in.

That is how M$ damage controls in the media until it rolls into a snow ball effect.

For example the omission of the PS Eye from the PS4 core SKU. M$ PR dept are some crafty snakes. That let lies slide in subliminally.

Now a lot of anti-PlayStation websites use this rumor as gospel truth even if Sony made it official that motion control games are not part of the core PS4 gaming initiative.
LOGICWINS  +   419d ago
Great news.
bicfitness  +   419d ago
The man is high on glue and doesn't even know that there is a $100(NOT "$50" - as stated in the article) difference between the two. Not to mention every piece of manufacturing info we've had access to has Sony in the lead for production units. They even registered and cleared with the FCC sooner. So this whole outlook is pure balderdash.
stevehyphen  +   419d ago
Just to add: there is a POSSIBILITY that given what we know right now, ps4 MAY beat Xbox One to the market.
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PopRocks359  +   419d ago
Not that I agree with him but maybe he's an Xbox fan? That's probably why he would see it as good news.
HammadTheBeast  +   419d ago
Great news that Xbox One could outship PS4? Can you explain?
LogicStomper  +   419d ago
Either

a) He likes Xbox.
b) He likes the fact that Xbox may sell well.
c) He is trying to do the so called "stealth trolling"

But just think about how silly everyone here sounds. We are the consumers, we only want the games and console. So why should any of us care which system sells more? They're both good consoles so I don't see why everyone must bash people who use the other system.
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   419d ago
LOGICWINS + 9h ago
Great news

wow thats all you had to say? u read a headline and take it immediatley as fact? LOGICFAILS
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Need4Game  +   419d ago
Xbox One "could" outship PS4 3-to-1 this year.
devwan  +   419d ago
Yeah, if the boats from China sink on the way, that's about the only way it'll happen
torchic  +   419d ago
don't give Microsoft any ideas.
wishingW3L  +   419d ago
lol
faysal  +   419d ago
cool story bro..
Wizziokid  +   419d ago
Wait so shipping numbers, well predictions, are now classed as news?
Darrius Cole  +   419d ago
At least if it was Michael Pachter we would know that there is a 3 to 1 chance that it is wrong and we could use it as a very good indicator of what was NOT going to happen. But a random prediction from an unknown dude who is mistaken on the relevant prices...., that is as useless as it gets.
MoveTheGlow  +   419d ago
Yes, and the astute observation that the WiiU's "fate" is based on the holiday software lineup.

Come on, really? They're not competing with Xbone and PS4, that isn't their plan - no matter how many times they have to say otherwise on news programs and in press conferences. They're sitting on an HD-friendly box until actual good games come out for it, and the big ones are mostly coming next year.

It'll probably sell well as a secondary console once the price drops and we see some new Zelda / Metroid action. It's going to be a prolonged "launch" or arrival of sorts, just like how the 3DS was "OMFG DOOMED" for like two years, and then boom, cash cow and awesome game delivery device.

They didn't compete with the iPad, iPhone, or the Vita for market share - they simply stood there, enlisting the help of Intelligent Systems and Atlus, and said "These games are on this system. If you like these games, pick up a 3DS. By the way, it's cheap now." It worked so well with the Fire Emblem/Animal Crossing one-two punch, and now all the "Nintendo should make a phone! Nintendo should be a third-party!" people have hushed up with a very recent giant stock uptick because the 3DS has boomed. Heck, the first "real" 3DS Pokemon has yet to arrive and we're already seeing this thing rise back up.

I don't see this playing out differently.
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n4rc  +   419d ago
But articles saying ps4 will outsell Xbox 3-1 are acceptable?

Neither should be posted.. Its crap speculation that does nothing but stirs up sh!t..

Nobody can know what the eventual sales will be.. Until we see them
devwan  +   419d ago
"But articles saying ps4 will outsell Xbox 3-1 are acceptable?"

A littl emore acceptable, yes, because they're at least based on numbers available for pre-order in stores, not just picked out of someone's backside like this "news".
n4rc  +   419d ago
There is nothing confirmed about number of available preorders

Choosing to believe a rumor isn't proof of anything.. Nobody knows anything except ps4 is ahead at amazon.

Physical stores will dominate sales of hardware IMO.. Nobody wants their shiny new console thrown on a ups truck that may or may not show up on release day
tuglu_pati  +   419d ago
@devwan

the double standard master XD
LogicStomper  +   419d ago
"A littl emore acceptable, yes, because they're at least based on numbers available for pre-order in stores..."

Dude, it isn't any more acceptable. Read n4rc's comment again, do you see the message behind his comment???

" does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. "
" does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. "
" does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. "

So how is a reversed article any more acceptable when it is written for the exact same purpose which " does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. ".

I hope this gets the message through to you.
rainslacker  +   419d ago
@N4rc

True nothing is confirmed, but there is plenty of secondary evidence to suggest that the PS4 is outpacing the X1 in pre-orders. From that one could infer it's launch sales. It really isn't a good way to indicate lifetime sales though. The Wii U should be evidence of that.

Also, you do realize that retail sellers still get their individual units shipped by UPS unless they have their own distribution trucks. GameStop gets 2 shipments a week for various goods.

Otherwise, physical stores will dominate, because that's the nature of retail. However, amazon is a large enough seller to infer based on statistical analysis. It'll be skewed since exact numbers aren't available. GameStop pre-orders though have numerous reports of having about 3 times the allotment/pre-ordered PS4's over X1. This has been the case since the day after the reveal. I won't even get into all the polls to date.

There was a pretty big thread on NeoGaf about people's anecdotal evidence based on their questioning at their local GameStop, and most comments seem to fall in line with that number today. It's probably worth dismissing if it was one random article, but it's been a slew of people all reporting pretty much the same thing. I doubt all of them are joining in some massive conspiracy.
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Maninja  +   419d ago
GameStop has clearly chosen to support PS4 over Xbox One, and it's clear that there are more preorders for the PS4 there
_QQ_  +   419d ago
Why has a multi million dollar company not hired this expert analyst yet?
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xReDeMpTiOnx  +   419d ago
I could understand if this was just a direct opinion but even his opinion is flawed by not even knowin the price difference :/

I doubt Microsoft will have = or more than Sony units due to the set backs they have recieved and how Sony has already cleared FCC for the consumer model
Phene  +   419d ago
I'm a Sony owner/buyer, and I think Xbox dropped the hell out of the ball on their conference. And even though the PS4 is more technically advanced, and cheaper [and has better games ..lol let me be a fanboy] ...I wouldn't be naive as to think *the xbox* wont sell incredibly well. Does Sony have an edge after the whole debacle, absolutely. Is the future of Xbox in jeopardy, not even remotely.
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iceman06  +   419d ago
This...I totally agree with. I believe that both consoles will sell out initially. I believe that Sony will have an edge after the sell out, just due to the fact that there are some angry ex-Xbox fans. However, I also believe that the mass market doesn't read this stuff everyday. They don't care or even know about DRM, always on, or any of the other issues that are now non-issues. Personally, I really don't care as long as I get my console of choice on launch day!
Ron_Danger  +   419d ago
This article goes against every preorder and poll article that has been around since each reveal. Especially since PS4 ranks #3 in amazon.com's top video game sellers list for 2013 and XBox One is #6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

And they are both sold out so those numbers are set in stone
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Mikeyy  +   419d ago
Well that's funny because all the people that post and work in retail are all telling us they received double the supply of ps4s for preorder then xb1...

And according to amazon they appear to be correct.
Rai  +   419d ago
how do people get these jobs if they cant get the simple facts correct..50$ price gap, no information gathering at all..
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Burrito26a  +   419d ago
Satirical article?
DoesUs  +   419d ago
No, just no.
jackdaddy  +   419d ago
Rubbish.
DiRtY  +   419d ago
This won't end well...
amuadiv  +   419d ago
I was under the impression that xbox one was having lower than expected yields with their esram. How they will be able to even out ship Sony is beyond me.
CC-Tron  +   419d ago
You believed the rumors didn't you? Don't. MS already confirmed on twitter long ago that there aren't any yield issues. There's a lot misinformation out there.
Clarence  +   419d ago
You believe M$ would tell that the Xbox 1 is having yield issues? I guess you believed M$ when they said that the 360 didn't have any issues. RROD got to big for them to hide.
Death  +   419d ago
Your impression was based on speculation of pre-production yields. This is a normal part of the manufacturing process. Actual console production starts closer to launch so systems aren't sitting in storage.
amuadiv  +   419d ago
I wonder why ms is only allocating smaller numbers of xone pre orders then? You would think they would want to match or surpass ps4 units avalibe for pre order.
babis1974  +   419d ago
someone was drinking before writing...
kenshiro100  +   419d ago
This made me laugh for some reason.
Gimmemorebubblez  +   419d ago
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zippycup  +   419d ago
but if they wait they wont have awesome news like this to post

im thinking of making my own gaming web sites so i can fill it whit news like this

staring now

i predict there's going to be a game this year that is going to be called game of the year

also sony and Microsoft are going to sell a lot of consoles

but pc enthusiasts are stil going to say that there $2.000 dollar gaming rig whit the video card that cost more than both consoles put together has better graphics
JokerBoy422  +   419d ago
You my friend win the internet
Dan_scruggs  +   419d ago
Microsoft is going to purposefully have a limited supply to increase demand. It's pretty common business practice.
But it seems to create more demand for ps4. lol
Only one console launching in india in 2013..

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

Also they taking pre orders in the middle east now.
Dan_scruggs  +   419d ago
Exactly. Sony want everyone to have a PS4 in their house asap. That will keep the momentum up against Microsoft. Imagine the headlines. PS4 sells X amount over Xbox. Followed by even more Xbox is doomed articles. Sony is taking into account the gaming cultures obsession with sales data. Witch will be heavily in PS4's favor for the first year or so.

Xbox is going to try to artificially drum up demand by intentionally limiting the supply while Sony is taking the exact opposite approach.
PopRocks359  +   419d ago
The only thing I must ask is this; how much better does the PS4 need to do in pre-orders and in PR before predictions like these stop? It just seems so odd that PS4 has done so well and Xbox One has done nothing but piss people off and yet all I hear from analysts is how much better the Xbox will do.

I don't know, maybe I'm going crazy here, but these sorts of posts sounds like a bunch of crap.
JokerBoy422  +   419d ago
Most "analysts" think Micro$oft will win because they think consumers will stay with the company that was in the lead this last generation aka Xbox 360. They dont realize the gaming community is a different breed of consumers.
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EffectO  +   419d ago
So MS fixed their problems,interesting.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   419d ago
Yes....now thy're ready to dominate.
JokerBoy422  +   419d ago
Out shipping is much different then out selling.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   419d ago
Lmaooooo!!!!!
windblowsagain  +   419d ago
I fully expect the one to sell 50 to 100 in japan.
clouds5  +   419d ago
So nintendo needs a strong lineup while he doesnt even mention the xbox lineup? And it will sell more just because they have more units in the stores than ps4? So according to their statements the xbox one will sell like crazy even though it has a mediocre game line up, its the most expensive console (but not the best hardware) and they openly tell US the potential early adopters lol you idiots will buy our shit anyway no matter how much we charge for it.

Omg. I kinda wish xb1 failz just because of how ignorant their statements are.
ebreda  +   419d ago
Mediocre? With Forza 5 in it, it will never be mediocre.

By the way, which 2 extra games the PS4 has that makes you think it's gotten a much better line up? The fantastic Killzone that never sold well to begin with or the amazing Knack that's a completely new and unknown IP?

Cause Cod, BF4, AC4, Watchdogs, Fifa and Madden will be in both systems. And Xbox has Forza 5, best rated racing game for the last 5 years or so.

IMO, Xbox's lineup looks better, if only for Forza 5.
arkard  +   418d ago
To bad for someone who doesn't like racing games and couldn't care less about them, Forza isn't really that big of a game changer.
clouds5  +   415d ago
Yes. One game, even if its a good game, is not a good line up for me. Thats exactly what i'm saying. I don't say PS4 has a better line up. They both pretty much suck and that's always the case with new systems ;) And it's the reason i won't buy neither console on day one. Maybe in 1-2 years when the first price drop comes around and we know exactly what we are getting into (restriction and feature wise) when we buy one...

And Forza on Xbox brings a tear to my eye everytime i think about it. There are people that have fully equipped racing sim equipment for the PC and Microsoft decides to make their amazing racing game exclusive and force you to play with a shitty gamepad (every gamepad is shitty for racing sims). It's just SAD.
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