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Submitted by TimmyShire 426d ago | news

PS4 Has Less Risk Of Failing Consoles

NowGamer: "While not nearly as much of an epidemic as Microsoft's Xbox 360 Red Ring Of Death, the PS3's equivalent - the Yellow Light Of Death - has been the bane of many a PS3 gamer this generation.

Thankfully it seems like the PS4 won't suffer from such problems." (PS4)

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iamnsuperman  +   426d ago | Well said
The PS3 had overheating problems? It got hot but I wouldn't say it overheated.

(I had a YLOD but that was after 4.5 years of constant use. Seems a reasonable time period for a console to die as my laptops barely last 3 years before things start to slow down and go wrong)
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SynGamer  +   426d ago
Excellent point, though electronics these days seem to last less than electronics of old. But then again, when I think of my PS1 (original), that thing lasted almost 10 years.

That said, the key to the PS4 (and Xbox One) is they are using chips originally designed for mobile devices/tablets. They use less power and put out less heat. Sony and AMD confirmed that the PS3 chip has been customized, but I honestly don't think heat will be an issue. We're talking small chips + large area of cooling. :)
mewhy32  +   426d ago
Well Sony has great engineering. Their cooling solutions have always been topnotch. I don't expect that there will be any issues with overheating.
MWong  +   426d ago
@ iamnsuperman
I would agree the PS3 didn't have the same rate of failure as the XB360. Not to the extent the writer makes it out to be. I've only had 1 YLOD, my original fat boy 60GB PS3 and have bought 2 PS3 2nd gen (1 for me the other my brother).

@ SnyGamer
I agree with you. The smaller chip requires less power and will of course put out less heat. Not to mention all the vents on the unit lol. The thing I am curious about was he talking about the dev kit or the PS4? Specifically with this "Additionally it is revealed that the PS4 has a maximum clock efficiency of 2.75GHz."

I just wonder what the hell the XBone has under the hood to require such a huge brick design. Besides that fan that can cool your house.
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medziarz  +   426d ago
Guys, the Operating Temperature most likely refers to the room temperature the system is designed to operate in. So it is not during Californian heat waves nor in refrigerator temperatures.

35oC is below human body temperature (36.6) so I doubt the system itself doesn't get hotter than me.

Oh, and also the 2.75 GHz has to do with RAM, not the CPU core clock. This is is half of the effective 5.5 Ghz - DDR stands for Data Dual Rate - resulting in 176 GB/s.
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MWong  +   426d ago
They'll probably also release a fan attachment like the PS3 had.
GameSpawn  +   426d ago
9000 Series PS1 (Last one made before the slim redesign) - STILL WORKS!

2nd Run PS2 bought off a friend for $50 - Had the laser problem and wouldn't read double layer DVDs; sold it to a game shop that "tested" it and it worked so they payed me $100 for it (lol); took the $100 and used it to buy a new one (need to look at my model # again; without the laser issue) and it still runs today - even have the hard drive and network adapter on it.

Original Launch 60GB PS3 - Worked for 4 years with thousands on thousands of hours of use (I left it on a week straight for F@H a couple times BTW) before red lighting on me (I'm pretty sure the power supply kicked the bucket); replaced it with a 1st gen 250GB Slim and it's been running fine since
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dedicatedtogamers  +   426d ago | Well said
Another factor to consider in the reliability of next-gen consoles:

PS4 has been in development since 2008. Xbox One has been in development since 2010. It's pretty clear (based on rumors, insider info, and simple common sense) that the PS4 reveal in February caught Microsoft off guard. MS was silent for several months before they revealed the XBox One, which only showed off three games and a user-interface that was faked.

And then E3 rolls around and it's revealed that certain Xbox One demos were running on PCs, not "target spec" PCs or dev kits but PCs with specs WAAAAY beyond what the XBox One is going to have.
clearelite  +   426d ago
Exactly, many small processors.

Chips similar to those in devices without ANY cooling fan, sitting in a small area next to a ridiculously large battery.

Now with the extra space for cooling, a decent power supply, bus configuration, GPU, etc. they can really crank up the power.

It's a thing of beauty.
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LonDonE  +   426d ago
EXACTLY, its the xbox one buyers who should be worried, after the red ring of death fiasco, with a 56% fail rate, its the one i have my money on for going wrong, Sony build quality electronic products, this is fact, they have been making great products for ages, and not just for the playstation, i have been a Sony fan since i was a kid, i got the Sony bug from my parents, and they got it from their parents, even though most Sony products were always more expensive then their rivals, you knew that the sony brand meant the product would be reliable for years and years.

Also in my personal experience, all the Sony products i have ever bought or my parents have ever bought have always been more advanced with features and tech, and so would last a long time, and stay relevant due to Sony being ahead of the curve always, i buy EVERYTHING SONY if i get the chance, my smart phone Sony xperia,my Sony Erickson phone, my Sony bravia hdtv,my multiple Sony games consoles, my Sony sound system,hifi,etc, Sony camcorder,my Sony digital camera, seriously they make great reliable products! you cant go wrong with Sony!!!
TimmyShire  +   426d ago
It's anecdotal I guess. I've personally had 5 different PS3's thanks to YLOD.

Let me explain:
First PS3 (original 60GB) broke because the bluray laser dropped and wouldn't read game discs.
After that I had MULTIPLE referb PS3s, all of which died because of YLOD.

I'm now on my 6th PS3 and I demanded a brand new PS3 from Sony instead of the crappy refurbs it was sending me and it's lasted longer than any of the previous PS3s - so I guess I know what the problem is!

Still, it's a notorious problem for me, so glad to hear it won't be such an issue with PS4.
Minute Man 721  +   426d ago
It does happen, My brother went thru 4 PS2s and myself 2 PS2s. This gen no problems PS3 running 6 years and counting
mcstorm  +   426d ago
Lol Like how you got 2 Disagree's. I think it is part luck to with things like this. I had 2 360s and 2 PS3s and I had one of each give me YOLD and RROD but I know people who have had numerous PS3's and 360s with the issues.
TimmyShire  +   426d ago
@Minute Man 721 + mcstorm

Yep! Definitely a matter of luck and this gen I've been really unlucky. It's not like I'm abusive to my PS3! :) Just sits there quietly (mostly) playing my games.
tigertron  +   426d ago
and here was me thinking being on my 5th PS3 was bad!

Well, *touchwood* my first and only Slim has been performing well, so hopefully due to the advances in technology i.e. the PS4's smaller power supply because of less power consumption, I think we will see a smaller failure rate and *fingers crossed* a quieter console.
knockknockannefrank  +   426d ago
from what I've seen it was only the larger ps3's that had the issue

2 of my friends had fat ps3's and got YLOD however I havent heard anyone having problems with the slim model
Phene  +   426d ago
lol thats some bad luck. I've had 4, and none of them broke. My slim has been on pretty much everyday for hours, mostly watching video ...and apart from just becoming noisier, it was solid as a rock
Enemy  +   426d ago
Dust causes YLOD, not heat.
LonDonE  +   426d ago
YES, and i have had 7 xbox 360's, all red ringed on me, i have owned multiples of some models,the arcade,the premium,the elite,the slim, and all failed on me!!! statisticslly you were more likely to have a 360 go dead on you then a ps3, this is fact, and since sony have had a much longer history of making great reliable electronic products, i trust them 100%!!

as a gamer i think, EVERYONE knows someone who has had problems with red ring of death, but with YLOD its less common, the 360 fail rate was at 56%, that is disgusting!!!!! sorry but Microsoft knowingly sold flawed faulty hard ware, and only implemented the extended warranties after being threatened with being sued, this is unacceptable!

I hated when i would sit down to do some gaming after a long hard day at work,and after a hour or two, BAM! i would get hit with the red ring of death, its why they lost me as a customer,even though i own a slim 360, NO ONE TOUCHES IT!! instead in my house, me and my wife and kids play on my launch fatty PS3 and slim PS3 which both work flawlessly, as does our wii, and wii u and the countless retro consoles of old alongside my gaming pc!

and Microsoft instead of sending me back a replacement console with said flaws fixed, they were just sending everyone refurbished flawed consoles all over again,and so the cycle would rinse, then repeat, that's a terrible way to treat your customers,and what's worse is that their were so many different versions of the 360, and still all were flawed, Sony after shrinking the die size sorted any problems they were having, which was well within accepted fail rates, the 360 on the other hand was terrible, they had drive fails, gpu fails, ana chip fails, you name it, they had it, LOL

So for me, and most smart gamers, Sony will always be a more reliable choice when it comes to build quality and reliability!!
kingPoS  +   426d ago
I got my first PS3 in 2008, it was used from ebay. It worked like a charm... till winter. It just so happened that it just finished a HDD back up, only for my brother to play GTA4 right after. It didn't help that it was too close to a heat vent. It baked like a chicken in Dec 2009. lol

2nd one was a 120gb slim that I bought in Jan 2010. (still going strong)

After some deliberation I sent the my 60gb in for a referb. In 2012 that same referb died a soldiers death having put up with a five hour plus netflix marathon coupled with a two hour GTA4 session from my niece.

Moral of the story - Buy your PS3 new. lol
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Gameratheart  +   426d ago
Idiots are disagreeing with what happened to this guys systems? Why? Fanboys are so fucking stupid, you morons are an embarrassment to the human race. Take your console manufacturers proverbial cock out of your fanboy mouths.... Enough of the fanboy ignorance.
miyamoto  +   426d ago
my PS3 will be 4 years old in September and its often left on and running for more than 24 hours a day because I turn off the TV but always forget to turn off my PS3 :-(
RedDevils  +   425d ago
weird I never had any problems you guys are having, from ps1, ps2 and current ps3 I have not need to buy/replace any of them. PS1 & PS2 to this day still running fine, and my current Ps3 (phat) still running except it make loud noise like a jet LOL thankfully PS4 is right around the corner :)
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HardcoreGamer21  +   426d ago
my xbox 360(arcade) broke after less than 1 year of usage then i bought an other xbox 360 and it is still workign for 4 years now. 2 years ago i brought a ps3 and it is still not brocken.
mark134uk  +   426d ago
i had 2 xbox360 rrod in under 2 years,i have a fat ps3 5 years and still going strong
Angeljuice  +   426d ago
My PS3 60gig launch model died within 3 months (Christmas day), but I got a replacement before the new year. When that YLOD'ed it was out of warranty, so I learned how to fix them.

I have 5 opened PS3's at the moment (pick them up for <£20 each). It takes a few hours to fix them.

What generally seems to happen is the fan loses rpm over time, the console gets increasingly hotter until the solder softens around a component and looses contact.

If your PS3 still overheats too quickly after a thorough cleaning, consider buying a £20 fan, it may save you from YLOD.
Themba76  +   426d ago
yea I ran through 4 360's myself
andibandit  +   426d ago
Friend of mine went thru 3 ps3 in 6 years, talk about bad luck
rainslacker  +   426d ago
@Angel

Last week was the first time since launch I had to repair my PS3. It stopped reading Blu-Rays, so I decided it was time to clean the lens properly with rubbing alcohol(Im a smoker, which isn't good for the lens). Pretty easy stuff since I've repaired systems in the PS2/PS1 days for extra cash. Never opened a PS3 though.

My house isn't particularly dusty, but I was shocked at how much dust was in the system despite me vacuuming it once a month with a vacuum attachment as suggested. The fan was surprisingly dust free except a bit around the edge. I took the whole system apart, vacuumed and wiped down everything, and put it back together(only one screw left over after reassembly).

Since then I'm really shocked at how much quieter it runs. Before the fan would speed up to full after about 3 minutes of use, and often stay there for heavy games. Now it may speed up for 30 seconds to a minutes during an intensive game, but goes pretty quiet most of the time.

I think I'm going to re-flow mine, as well as buy one of the quieter 19 blade fans(mine has the 15). Also want to replace the heat pads and heat sink gel.

I'm building a new entertainment center which has a special mount to increase the airflow(ala the can lift method...just nicer looking). I'm considering getting a slim or new slim and just delegate my phat to BC. Probably wait for a price drop though since it's not pressing.
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nukeitall  +   426d ago
When you add complexity with more parts, and each part is even more complex and has a narrower margin of failure, then it is far more likely to fail, yes.

That applies to almost all devices.

It is more about how well the company treats you when cr@p hits the fan. Besides, consoles and TV seems to be the only thing people keep for a long time. Every other electronic is replaced far more often and is practically a non-issue.
rainslacker  +   426d ago
Many electronics today are actually built to fail after a while for planned obsolescence. Most people don't upgrade until something breaks, and companies were making too good a product. Nowadays it's a way to help push new technologies. Since things are more expensive to make now, it's understandable why they want you to always be upgrading.
mistertwoturbo  +   426d ago
My brother in Law still has a 40gb PS3 phat, used every single day and still alive and kicking. Not bad for a 6 year old piece of hardware.
LonDonE  +   426d ago
yep me too, i gave my first ps3 40gb away to my little bro, it still works flawless, and so does my current fatty 80gb, and slim 160gb!!
RedDevils  +   425d ago
haha same but with my 60gb :D
lento  +   426d ago
Original phat ps3 just died a few days ago when I started playing the last of us. Got me a new slim now. Was obviously disappointed it didn't last till my ps4 came but hey the sexy fat beast lasted what.. 7 years of hard use? Damn fine... Damn fine. Rest in peace phat... You may rest now.
Bathyj  +   426d ago
Same here. Last of us killed my launch day console. It still works but shuts down by itself. I'm gonna trade it and my Xbox in in a ps4 while they're still going.
HammadTheBeast  +   426d ago
The Last of Us is too great to run on that. It demands to be run on new hardware.
rainslacker  +   426d ago
My laser was so dirty it stopped working during the last of us when starting the system. Had to put the game in several times. A good cleaning helped. Not really the games fault though. Different scenario, just thought I'd share.
ovnipc  +   426d ago
Both consoles are designed to fail. They have to fail after 3 or 4 years. so you go and buy another one. of the 79kPS3 sony sold 25% come from broken systems people buy again. Or maybe more. Xbox the same. PS3 Slims and xbox Slims Im talkinga about 2nd Gen, PS3 has wayyy more problems overheating YLOD Blu Ray problems. Xbox slim only problem its dvd drive, but no overheating problem.
MysticStrummer  +   426d ago
The PS3 failure rate was never as high as 25%, not even close, and the 360 failure rate was much higher than 25% for a time. The failure rate numbers aren't just from RRoD and YLoD, they count all failures.
fourOeightshark  +   426d ago
I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that launch PS3 failure rate was 10% and 360 was 40%.
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FITgamer  +   426d ago
If they are designed to fail then SONY f**ked up when they made the batch my console came from. I've had my PS3 since January 2008 and it's had heavy usage and no issues at all.
kreate  +   426d ago
gameinformer reported

xbox360 - 54.2%
ps3 - 10.3%
Wiis - 6.8%

failure rate

http://www.joystiq.com/2009...
D-riders  +   426d ago
agree yellow light of death shouldnt even be considered in the category with RROD
Craigatorian  +   426d ago
I can hear the overheating from my PS3 when I play my games
FITgamer  +   426d ago
Exactly how do you hear overheating?
5eriously  +   426d ago
Duh, The fan speeds up to max rpm. So he could hear it per se'
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Downtown boogey  +   426d ago
2,5 years for me :/
Jaces  +   426d ago
Think they should write an article about the Bone, hoping it won't have the same problems that plagued the 360 for so many years.

My fat PS3 died on my after 5 years and even then I was given a replacement of the same model for $100. Refurbished or not it looked brand new. Now I just display her while my slim get's all the attention. ;P
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strifeblade  +   426d ago
my launch ps3 died within 2 and a half years after barely any use. And yes the ylod is the same problem as the rrod that plagued xbox. However xbox died within months/days but playstation lasted longer. The fix for the ylod was to apply thermal paste on the areas that were melted away.
Sideras  +   426d ago
Still have my 60GB, got it on the european release day. No problems here.
mayberry  +   426d ago
My 60G is still great too! Its on everyday since launch.
1nsomniac  +   426d ago
I've had 3 PS3's since release all with YLOD all sitting in a completely open space, although my room itself does get quite hot.

The fact that it was investigated openly several times including TV's 'Watchdog' etc indicates it was a much bigger problem than you claim. Not to mention the Blu-Ray failure rate.

I had as many failing PS3's as I did xbox 360's. Both were built very poorly.

This article is just stupidity feeding the stupid. The consoles not only havnt been released yet I wouldnt imagine they've even started large quantity manufacturing yet.
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Hicken  +   426d ago
Just curious, but what was the results found in all those investigations? Cuz it seems to me that if it had been anywhere near as bad as 360- or even as bad as you claim- there would have been a much bigger deal made about it.

Fact: the PS3's failure rate was within acceptable limits for electronics.

Pretty hard to spin that.

Now, according to Cerny, the PS4 should have even less problems.

That must hurt your feelings or something, but you'll get over it eventually.
1nsomniac  +   425d ago
It was (semi) 'proven' on many occasions that failure rate was far higher than Sony claimed acceptable limits for electronics - hence the reason for the Watchdog special & the separate BBC news investigation - do some research.

With the faulty YLOD, Blu-Ray & FW update failures the PS3 was easily on par with 360 failure rate.

Cerny claiming PS4 has even less problems just shows your ignorance & stupidity. First of all the fact he makes that statement confirms the first point was true & secondly do you actually think he would come out & say failure rate is not going to be improved??

Go join the rest of the sheep!
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Hicken  +   425d ago
So you expect to have confirmed something by saying (semi)'proven?' It sounds as if you don't have a clue.

You're the one making the claim, not me. So I don't have to prove anything. You should be the one bringing up the research on this, not me.

Wild accusations with no factual basis, and no desire to even present the "evidence" which forms the crux of your claim... Yeah, you really convinced me.
isarai  +   426d ago
Well this just means it will take a lot longer than 4.5 years to fail now :)
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AO1JMM  +   426d ago
My fat ps3 died 4 times and is currently dead. So trust me the PS3 did have heating issues, just not clearly as bad as the launch 360's
badkolo  +   426d ago
not sure about over heating but i did have a ps3 fat die on me and one on my friends , we also had 3 , 360's fail on us but at least we got free 360's , not so with the ps3
kevnb  +   426d ago
ya cheap hardware wont last, expensive doesn't sell.. its actually more cost efficient to build a pc, take advantage of online sales, and replace any components as needed. Purchasing multiple consoles adds up quick.
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CommonSense  +   425d ago
A system failing is reasonable when it's Sony. Thanks for maintaining the hypocritical, apologist trend on N4G. Can't get enough of it.
Septic  +   426d ago
Yeah I think both companies should have learnt their lessons now from the YLOD and more importantly, RROD fiasco.

Still, how on earth is the PS4 be cooler yet so slim?! I don't get it lol. I'll just call it magic and leave it at that.
iamnsuperman  +   426d ago
"Still, how on earth is the PS4 be cooler yet so slim?! I don't get it lol. I'll just call it magic and leave it at that."

I know right and be more powerful as well. I understand tech gets better over time and things can get smaller but Sony are the first to actually make a Tardis
TimmyShire  +   426d ago
From what I can tell - and I'm no expert - it's the parts that matter. The PS3 has have high-power parts, but the PS4 has low-power, which take up less space and produce less heat.

Something to do with an APU or something. But the PC-like parts basically means it doesn't have to use so much power.
MariaHelFutura  +   426d ago
Dark Playstation Magick. What did you think the Dark Sorcerer tech demo was for?
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nukeitall  +   426d ago
Why is it so cool?

By essentially stuffing low end parts into it!

The Xbox 360 and PS3 upon it's release was cutting edge and high end. Even a PC at the time would struggle to keep up.

Fast forward, and we got essentially mobile chips re-engineered from low end PCs and boosted a little.

Next generation console is just about 8-10 times as powerful, yet after 8 years, to keep up, it should have been closer to 16 times as powerful.

The good news, increasing power would have made very little difference for the experience or the graphics. You are limited to 1080p AND graphics is hitting ceiling on discernible difference.

The latter means, you need massive amount of difference by magnitudes of power to make a significant visual difference.

For comparison , two or three times more power on PC is often used to push higher resolution, not to increase effects.
Cuzzo63  +   426d ago
Soooo wats your point... Its still a heck of a machine.... still cheaper than a pc. Still more accessible than a pc. Ease of use? Ps4 duh. Why do you pcssies keep crying about how much better the pc is. Well duh again... most guys wont even have a pc capable of the ps4. I mean why am I even wasting my fingers on this issue. For $400 I can have a ps4 over a weak azz $400 pc. Yea I said it lol.

Dont know why you are in every console debate glorifying pc and downing consoles. Just skimmed thru ya comments, its not that serious is it that your so negative. Do you get commission for every comment. A $200 dollar gcard over ps4.... debatable, but when did we start playing graphics cards lol.
stevehyphen  +   426d ago
Agree and +bubble vote for knowing what you're talking about.
One of the best things to happen in the field of game graphics in a long time is the standard of 1080p. Increases in resolution make computer components work much harder and consume more juice.
I'm kind of on the fence about 4k for this reason. Sure, it's cool to see that significant of a jump in resolution, but I don't think current displays have seen their maximum potential yet. Increasing pixel density on your gaming display for example will be visually pleasing. Plus, the display itself takes the hit on power consumption and heat instead of the game processor.

Ironically, 10 years ago, people who were serious about competitive multiplayer in FPS games would opt to keep their CRT displays instead of upgrading to LCD. Pair a good CRT with a lower resolution and you would enter the lovely world of 120Hz.
stevehyphen  +   426d ago
@Cuzzo63 I can't speak for @nukeitall's other comments, but I didn't take his post to be pro-PC or anti-console. To me, all he did was offer one of the better explanations of why the ps4 can have the size and power it does.
Salooh  +   426d ago
To be fair , i agree. But cerny mentioned this.
''Lastly Cerny added that these developers "didn't want exotica", and that "if there was a GPU out there that could do real-time ray-tracing they did not want it in the PS4."

Though such technology would be "fascinating", said Cerny, the development teams would need to rebuild everything they knew from scratch just to make use of this GPU.''

So , developers asked for easy development instead of powerful console . You can't make both with the note of cheap price , At least the ps4 pushed the ram which pc still don't have not like the X1 which is less powerful and makes me feel that the console is made for kinect not the other way around..

Personally , i would pay another 600$ or even more for a huge leap . But people are to cheap when it comes to console but when it comes to tv's /smartphones ..etc they are willing to pay anything. I didn't talk about this because it's too late, this should be an advice for the ps5 not the ps4 ..
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Giru017  +   426d ago
@nukeitall
agree and bubble from me as well, you are 100% correct (despite those 5 disagrees from fanboys, as if what you're saying is a bad thing).
I personally like increased resolutions (playing on a 2560x1440 monitor), but have certainly felt the hit the hardware takes from this, harder than any particle effects, physX or AA or SSAO ever could give my rig. Yes, higher resolutions are beautiful, but I personally feel that the 1080p standard for consoles this gen is a good thing and is still a huge step up from the 720p standard of last gen.
As the most notable example (Dark Souls for PC) showed, people don't quite realize the HUGE jump that 720p to 1080p in their games means, and they'll love it. As for the PC crowd, yeah, we'll be held back again for a bit, but with 4k monitors and DDR5 RAM around the corner, GPU and memory manufacturers are sure to keep us busy and developers like CD Projekt RED or Cryteck will be sure to give us plenty of reasons to keep upgrading our rigs.

@stevehyphen
Yeps, many still use CRT monitors for fighting games as well. 120hz can make a world of difference in games where every frame matters.
andibandit  +   426d ago
@cuzzo63

He actually answered a question, and provided a good answer....wtf are you smoking?.
badkolo  +   426d ago
if both cloud systems work like they should then in 5 to 6 years time the power of the consoles become moot as we play through gaikia(onlive style)
Cuzzo63  +   425d ago
Im just saying. Micro and Sony pushed out $800 dollar consoles they would be lynched. They had to do what they had to do. If a proper 8year boost is what you want then thats what the pc is for.
mistertwoturbo  +   426d ago
Sony knows hardware
MultiConsoleGamer  +   426d ago
Speculation based on nothing.
devwan  +   426d ago
It's just based on common sense really, probably an excuse to write an article about something not so newsworthy.

..although, having said that, the paperwork being filed this early might be a sign of a release before the expected mid-November date.
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madpuppy  +   426d ago
"This means that - as far as the FCC is concerned - the PS4 is a viable electronic suitable for sale to the public in America."

The PS3 and X360 were approved by the FCC as well, you can't use that as some litmus test of complete, trouble free operation.

Hopefully, the Sony and MS have learned lessons from the past and there will be less issues. that is all we can hope for.
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TrevorPhillips  +   426d ago
PS4 is a beast!
XisThatKid  +   426d ago
This is great even for speculation since even though the PS3 had a very low failure rate it did have high power consumption parts and got hot and the compound that kept the chips cooler failed and ceroded the solder would melt slightly and the ship may cool off centered resulting in hardware failure RRoD and YLoD. As said in an above comment the console uses alot of low power consumption components as what we know of them anyway, less chance of overheating and cooling tech is way better now than 8-9years ago when those consoles were being made.
stevehyphen  +   426d ago
Just for clarification, thermal compound used on chips doesn't in itself cool chips. It's used to get maximum surface area transfer to some sort of sink.
You may have known that anyway, but I figured I would clarify in case someone didn't.
XisThatKid  +   426d ago
Thanks lol. Thats correct I made it seem the compound itself is a coolant, it is not. Bubble
Angeljuice  +   426d ago
The thermal compound on the launch models is well applied, on the newer versions it is just splodged on and doesn't even cover the chip, another thing to check if yours overheats (get some high quality thermal paste or pads to improve thermal conductivity).
strifeblade  +   426d ago
The launch ps3 almost all failed of ylod. Not one of my friends have a launch ps3 that is still alive (unless they fixed it using the thermal paste).
kennyg3739  +   426d ago
This article is pointless, he's comparing the PS4 to what the PS3?
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G20WLY  +   426d ago
Article states why there should be less failing PS4s than PS3s. Bearing in mind the low failure rates of PS3s, I'd say that's pretty comforting to would-be PS4 owners.

That's the point in the article.
IcicleTrepan  +   426d ago
Since nobody has a PS4, the author has no actual idea how it's going to perform. For all he knows, there's a fatal flaw in it that causes it to burn your house down 6 months after you buy it. Not saying it will, but this article is pointless without cold hard facts.
MariaHelFutura  +   426d ago
Only one console has been known to burn houses down and it wasn't a Playstation.
Hueynewton2012  +   426d ago
Lol i was thinking the same thing and its a fact. I unplugged mine everyday before leaving for work lol.
mrmancs  +   426d ago
Never had no yellow what ever on my ps3's I have the original fatty that went to my son and my thinny that i use , always great never broke seriously but is prone to randomly freezing very occasionally, a reboot fixes that , unlike the Xbox 360's I owned one when they first came out after having the original Xbox I thought why not that was a good console admittedly,it red ringed twice in it's life got repaired twice before it red ringed again (third time) and got boxed up stashed away, my missis stupidly bought another that broke and got repaired that barely gets used in my daughters room only for playing old dvds.. What gets me thinking , did Microsoft know or purposely make the Xbox 360's to break , if not.. Why put a red light into the ring in the first place... Hmmm......
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Adolph Fitler  +   426d ago
And yes, no matter what Sony fanboys say, the PS3 suffered from the YLOD problem, as my 60gig launch machine suffered it 3yrs after release, but I used that thing like a son of a bitch, leaving it on overnight many times to do downloads (as it didn't have the auto shut off update at that point), I mean, I really have flogged that machine, but, when it went I sent it back to Sony for an expensive $200au repair (hey, it was a 60gig b/c model), & I've been using it since for another 3-4yrs, & although it sounds like a jet airplane (only ever since the repairs), it hasn't missed a beat, until recently I was playing TLOU & it just shut off....I can play all my other games on the machine without incident, but if I play TLOU, it 100% always shuts off after 20-40minutes of play....the airplane even becomes louder when playing that game, so all I can deduce is that the game seems to drain the systems resources more & makes it work harder.....But anyhow, the machine works flawless & has never turned off at any other point, or on any other game, movie or such, so not bad for a 6-7yr old machine that has admittedly & unluckily had 1 send back for repair. My best mate bought his exact same machine, at exact same store, at exact same time, at midnight launch & his still works flawlessly (although it has literally seen over 10,000 times less use)....But point is, I had 2 360's that I didn't over use, leave on for all night downloads, & they both died on me (1 died 5 days after purchase with 3RROD), so that says a lot about Sony's build quality, as opposed to MS lack thereof.
So, duh, no sh$t Sherlock, anyone that has a brain definitely knows which out of the 2 is going to be more prone to fault. I bet my balls, if the most hardcore MS fanboy, had to bet there house, or life on which machine will be more prone to fault, they would turncoat & put there money on MS's console blowing up 1st, without hesitation. These fanboys would soon decide to be honest, if they had something important on the line to help them discover there newfound non-biased-ness. Simple as that.
Salooh  +   426d ago
Mine yellowed when i was playing killzone 3 , I have 5 brothers so it's a miracle that it reached that far . However , it simply freeze when i tried to connect to the MP and when i restarted it i got Yellowed , my brother wanted to kill me that day even though i didn't do anything to it xD ..
InTheLab  +   426d ago
The PS3's failures are similar to any other piece of hardware. I always thought it was a joke calling it YloD, as it wasn't even in the ballpark.

I mean, everyone you know had multiple RRoDs or at least one. A lot of us are on our second Xbox.

MS never came out with official numbers but I'd guess that every Xbox that is not slim will die prematurely. So something like 40 to 45 million individual 360s will die multiple time O.o

Anyway...My launch fatty did sweat a little for GoW A and TloU, but it's still going strong.
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xReDeMpTiOnx  +   426d ago
I got ylod on thanksgiving.....

I was on my laptop charging my controllers and I year my ps3 double beep and I knew right away what it was all I did was sit there with my middle finger up and went back to typing.

Morale of the story is I've had 1 ylod on the old 80gb and I had 3 rrod
ZeroX9876  +   426d ago
When my 360 RROD for the third time, I took it to a guy in my hometown instead of microsoft again. He repaired it and compared to microsoft, never had another RROD after. I had a near launch 360, so maybe that's a big reason why it broke often.

some of my friends got the 360 slim and never had any problems with it as of now.

My PS3 had a YLOD after 5 years of constant play. Bluray, netflix, movie in HDD, gaming, music unlimited in parties... well I used it for almost everything! it surprised me that it last for so long.

My wii never failed...... hell, can a Wii overheat!?!?!
Bhuahahaha  +   426d ago
why should we compare the failure rate of 360 and ps3
to xbone and ps4

just to be fair
maybe msoft has anticipated this problem thats why it is that huge.
Angeljuice  +   426d ago
The trouble is the eSRAM chip is huge and that type of RAM runs hot, so it wouldn't surprise me if xbox1 runs hotter than ps4.
Einhert  +   426d ago
I will wait and see, past console launches have mostly always been dodgy for me and the things have always had hardware failures. I seem to be one of the unlucky ones.

PS1 was sturdy

PS2 was flimsy, went through about 3 of them just bricking after a year or two

Xbox was sturdy, could have thrown that thing down a set of stairs.

Xbox 360 was a disaster for me, went through about 5 consoles which was an utter joke as MS actually sent me broken replacement consoles, utter joke and has really put me off console launches.

PS3 didn't buy one until 2010 and had absolutely no problems with it, also a lot of top games like MGS4 and Uncharted 2 were out so I had plenty to play.

I am just going to wait with PS4, what companies say and what actually happens are two completely different things.
alleyes  +   426d ago
Lol 120hz back in the days of quake 3
sigfredod  +   426d ago
Sony knows how to make hardware, my original PSX last for 8 years and only fail after my brother drop it to the floor over 1 meter high, My ps2 nedver failed to me, my original 80g PS3 failed after 3 years of hard gaming, and my slim going strong, and with this reduce heat operation for the PS4, based on the record from sony will be a sexy reliable pice of hardware
azshorty2003  +   426d ago
Overheating isn't the only thing to kill a console. My brother and cousin both went through 2-3 PS2s back in the day because of the DVD lense either going up or breaking alignment.

But this is good to hear.
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progaor2013  +   426d ago
this is what ps4 should be 35c max 40 same as ps3.

Reason why ps3 overheats,Is cause syscon fan controller is set at less then 35 percent. They use cheap thermal paste on chips,Use heat grill covers on the chips...Removing theses chips help better airflow..

how i know this i own 3 ps3s fat slim nother slim fat is on cfw with fan control utiltiy i get my ps3 at 47 c both cpu and rsx temps.

Thats where sony screwed up to cause consoles to fail,To make money dont listen to this ps4 crap.They are lieing to you,Buy extended warranty period or you will regret it later.

Only reason why I blieve this is true,Is cause Mark Cerny devloped design of ps4...Sonys hands was not in it,But anyways im not taking that chance.

When ps4 console fails,Everyone will be like they lied.I"ll be like I told you so. I have temp monitor meter,I hold up to back of my ps3..
I"ll test out there idiotic theory on ps4 at launch,On weekly basis see how much wear and tear console takes...Before dropping values temps rise up...
cunnilumpkin  +   426d ago
it should not get too hot, the parts it is using are low power draw and designed with laptops and tablets in mind

sadly this also translates to a much weaker console

I would have rather they made the box larger, added an extra fan or two, and put an actual REAL gpu in the thing, not a laptop mobile version which is always crap compared to the real thing

also, I wish they would have went with a faster quad core cpu instead of a 1.6 ghz tablet like unit

you'll all be wishing the same thing when those 720p games keep coming out, wait and see
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Hueynewton2012  +   426d ago
LOL been waiting for this topic to be mentioned.i had two that failed and everyone else i know had to deal with faulty hardware. But of course you have your die hard ms sheep who claim to have their launch console.... bullshit. Why invest in faulty tech is well beyond me, im just fortunate to be a smart consumer.... i will wait months before even considering an xbox one. I went from ms to sony when the slim was released and it still runs perfectly.
Jiggy7d  +   426d ago
It's next-gen technology, something always goes wrong.....that's why I will be buying extended warranty.Better safe than sorry.
LogicStomper  +   426d ago
Don't know about other places outside NZ but, over here we don't really need to buy extended warranties. Although they tell you it'll cost you to repair/replace, you actually don't. There's the Consumer Guarantees Act which basically allows us to get faulty things repaired/fully refunded whether it's in or out of warranty.

You should probably see if you've got it where you live cause it'll save you hundreds of dollars.
Jiggy7d  +   425d ago
I live in Europe....I get 1 year warranty for free....and if I pay extra 50bucks I get a 5-year warranty.
LogicStomper  +   425d ago
Everyone gets a one-year warranty for free on all technology. It's just that the general public here think that when that warranty is over, they have to pay to fix it. What they don't know though, is that they are actually covered under the Consumer Guarantees Act.

You should really check it out to see if you've got something like this:

http://www.consumer.org.nz/...
Tzunoy  +   426d ago
lol just wait for both consoles to come out and see the fun then :)
PurpHerbison  +   426d ago
My PS3 will be kicking for quite some time. I don't use it to often. However, what is up with PS3s and freezing now? Used to never happen when I had a George Foreman PS3.
Holeran  +   426d ago
Both of my slims sound like a jet getting ready to take off after extended play times of multiplayer last of us but neither has ylod. My first fat ylod after 5 years last year.
RavageX  +   426d ago
Hmmm...you know, I'll just wait and see. I like my PS3, but my first(40gig) has failed 3-4 times. I think a lot of it is due to luck and location.

I where I live it gets pretty hot in the summer, so I'm sure that didn't help things. It was on a shelf to itself, kept dust free, etc.

In the end....it didn't even matter.
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LiarasBoobs  +   426d ago
I've had my PS3 since 2007 and it hasnt malfunctioned once.
Funnymonkey013  +   426d ago
I agree Sony makes the best reliable system then MS look at 360 it taken them 5 years to finally release a system that does not overheat like the ps3 does heck I still have my 60 GB ps3 and it works like a charm though i have the super slim white now so i use that system now. but I had 3 360s that went red ring in 2 years. Lets hope the X1 isn't going to be like the 360 upon its release. I will be getting the PS4 day one and I'm really excited 4 next gen like KZSF Infamous SS BF4 and many more.
aquamala  +   426d ago
I'm on my 2nd 360 and 2nd PS3, I wouldn't expect either PS4 or XB1 to last 7 years.
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