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Submitted by Gekko 515d ago | opinion piece

Why Microsoft Won't Sell Xbox One Without Kinect

The Official Magazine: ''If there's one thing you can rely on the average, halfway-intelligent and means-conscious human being to do, it's ask for stuff to be cheaper. In the case of Xbox One, there's a simple little equation attached: why not slice a few tenners off that RRP by removing Kinect from the package? After all, Kinect is rumoured (very firmly without official confirmation) to be almost as expensive to manufacture as the console itself, and given the less-than-tremendous state of current generation motion gaming, is unlikely to be among the main reasons Xbox One buyers shell out.'' (Kinect, Xbox One)

MariaHelFutura  +   515d ago
Because like w/ the 360 their masterplan was catering to casual gamers before core gamers. The just use core gamers to move systems at first. Look at the 360 pre Kinect and look at the 360 post Kinect. Big difference.
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True_Samurai  +   515d ago
Go away Maria no one missed you
Electric-flamingo  +   515d ago
Yeah seriously. He only comes out when there has been positive Xbox news recently.
aiBreeze  +   515d ago
You missed him enough to reply to his message.
Root  +   515d ago
@Electric-flamingo

Oh you mean like how all the new Xbox/MS fanboys have suddenly came onto this site and defend the crap out of Microsoft in any article which relates to them in some way...you know those new profiles that have just joined the site either recently, the same time the Xbox One was revealed or when E3 came around. The ones who spin anything to make it look like "Sony fanboys"....hell when people were booing Double Helix at EVO the first thing they said was "Sony fanboys" I mean really, all those people at EVO were fanboys, get real.
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   515d ago
TrueNinja + 15m ago
Go away Maria no one missed you
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You have alot of disagrees so we DID miss maria.
aiBreeze  +   515d ago
@ Root Lol so true, some of them are even reporting negative Microsoft articles in attempts to get them removed.
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JokesOnYou  +   515d ago
"If there's one thing you can rely on the average, halfway-intelligent and means-conscious human being to do, it's ask for stuff to be cheaper."

"For all that, though, I think those who insist on regarding next gen Kinect as an unnecessary expense are missing the point by a fair few lightyears."

"However dim your view of the new sensor's capabilities and/or usefulness as a "real" gamer's device, the fact remains that it's now as integral to Microsoft's console offering as the Wii U's tablet controller is to Nintendo's - a day-one core component, rather than a mid-cycle layer of mainstream-courting, market-refreshing paint."
-OXM

JokesOnYou  +    6d ago | Well said

"Wise...actually the original Kinect was $150 at launch, Kinect v2 is selling for $400 on pc by itself so I believe the extra $100 is a bargain price. Now more importantly this means that kinect will be fully supported over th X1 life cycle with cool options that will not only improve dedicated kinect games but also truly add to the experience of X1 core games which will benefit from more immersion. Its already being used in subtle ways for many of the announced games and if you read about what devs are doing I think there is some cool implementation can be done in core games. Finally Kinect makes the X1 X1 functionality for the UI freakin sweet, the intergration is hands down the best I've ever seen for a home console."

JokesOnYou  +    6d ago

"True but thats like saying nintendo should cut the new wii u gamepad because they could sell the console cheaper...NO, its a part of their vision, if you don't want it then you don't want a wii-u."
http://n4g.com/news/1311366...

-I think I pretty much said all this a week ago and many times before.
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pete007  +   515d ago
i did
AngelicIceDiamond  +   515d ago
Maria's another user I'm gonna mark down for trolling every time hes in a X1 article trolling. And you wonder why you lose bubbles? What are you a Child? you can't behave yourself and act right? As long as you ruin X1 threads I'll mark you down for trolling its simple.

Is there a rehab for uncontrollable trolling? Some fanboys like Maria need it BAD on here...

Anyway.

Kinect doesn't need to be optional. I rather have it now than forced down my throat later. I also don't want Kinect only software, Kinect only ads, Kinect only E3's. You know, kind a how its been with the 360 for the past couple of years/E3s.

MS pushed hard to feed that Kinect fanbase and completely forgetting the core. That was horrible and the same thing could be repeated if its separate.

Why separate the fanbase while everyone can opt to it now?

How many casual Kinect titles are there for X1? like 2 or 3 causal games. So far, Kinect only software seems only being developed for the casual, while hardcore devs are utilizing for core mechanics. Deadrising, BF, COD, Whitcher.

No way, I rather pay for Kinect now than later.
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mewhy32  +   515d ago
Well I think that it's just a way to push a technoloy that they've spent millions upon millions to develop. That and the fact that the NSA are partnered up with micro$oft. Kinect is the perfect tolls for the NSA isn't it?
Snookies12  +   515d ago
Lol at everyone calling MariaHelFutura a "he"... It takes all of five seconds to look at someones' profile for gender. Not everyone on here is a guy. -_-

Anyway, saying "no one missed you" makes you sound like a rather unfriendly individual. I may not completely agree with what was said, but there is some truth to her post. The 360 was enjoying a lot of amazing games before they started work on the Kinect. Once that came out, they seemed to change up directions and focus more on casual games. Which in turn left the hardcore gamers out in the cold unfortunately...
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Mr_Nuts  +   515d ago
I think in my opinion that's why they reversed their DRM policy...to gain a bigger fanbase off the core gamers. Once they have an established fanbase and all those games they showed off at E3 (some like Halo, Quantum Break and Sunset overdrive which we'll see next E3 aswell) come out they'll revert back to what they were doing post Kinect and I think they could possibly bring DRM back in some way

They've done it before...this isn't about fanboysim it's about common sense. When you do something wrong you learn from your past mistakes to make yourself a better person, the same can be done when a company does something and you make a mistake by getting suckered into it, you learn from your mistakes and the companies history so you don't get suckered into something again. All your doing is being cautious
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YNWA96  +   515d ago
I hope that does not happen, and also, remember when the PS2 was so successful, Sony then thought they could do anything they wanted and you would scoop it up. A calculator ended up selling much more. I hope neither scenarios play out like that again, and lessons are truly learned, so please lay off the bashing and see what happens. Remember Phil Harrison, who knows his stuff has yet to get really influential in all of this.

Edit.
I do agree with the points made, but lets see what happens from here. Clearly they were rocked to the core after the reveal and then E3. They do clearly have great games on the table for the X1, so, like I say, lets see what happens from this point on. If they mess up again, I will join you too and condemn them. I also think it makes great sense to have the Kinect in every box, it means developers can build from the ground up, knowing everyone has it. You have only picked the negatives, which I understand, but then your in your life, your glass is always half empty and bitter.
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Mr_Nuts  +   515d ago
*** so please lay off the bashing ***

How is that "bashing", this is what I was talking about. It's not bashing, it's common sense, they have done this before, MS have lied, they have declined in terms of their support with core games...it's fact not assumptions or bullcrap.

*** I hope neither scenarios play out like that again, and lessons are truly learned ***

Well after everything Microsoft has said and done since the Xbox One was revealed, I don't think thats the case. If they were that bothered they would make an SKU without Kinect ready for early next year or even launch if they listened to us sooner. I mean remember when Kinect launched they pretended like we all loved it. It's ignorance at it's finest and MS have not learnt any lessons.
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MasterCornholio  +   515d ago
I noticed that you gained a bubble.

Congratulations.

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andibandit  +   515d ago
@MariaHelFortuna

I suggest you actually read the article before posting...especially the part about developers not wanting to develop for something that isnt guaranteed to be there (kinect 1.0).
nukeitall  +   515d ago
What happened to a well rounded console? You know, like the PS2?

Catering to core is enabling the platform to have a wide variety of games they enjoy playing. Never once, did I feel like there weren't enough games on the Xbox 360.

I don't understand why games has to be exclusive to significant.

That said, if you look at Sony's history it is kind of spotty. PS Vita has gotten poor support all around, from both Sony and third party.

Look at Nintendo, where are the first party games? Heck, where is the third party games?

Point being, MS with 15 first party exclusives the first year is solid support!
ChiTownDoc  +   515d ago
Never once did you feel there weren't enough 360 games? Not even....say...right now?
nukeitall  +   515d ago
@ChiTownDoc:

Right now the Xbox 360 has the biggest catalog of games it has ever had. My backlog is so big, and it is getting bigger with all these games on demand sales.

I just spent like $80 this past week or so on Mass Effect, Borderlands 2, Tomb Raider, Bulletstorm, Max Payne 3, Hitman, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and so on.

So now, not now!

I'm still playing Gears of War: Judgment, and Splinter Cell: Blacklist is coming soon!

The question is, where do I find the time?
Bennibop  +   515d ago
Sony have 30 exclusives 1st year and that does not include indies.
DarkHeroZX  +   514d ago
LMAO! You say look at Sony's history and only have the Vita to try and argue with? Get off N4G dude. Poor support? The Vita keeps getting all these great titles though many are only available in Japan a the the moment. Nintendo has brought tons of 1st party to the table. I'm playing Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon right now. MS has games but what it has been lacking is good exclusives. All those games you mentioned except Gears is available on the competition and since I do most of my multiplatform gaming on my PS3 or PC I don't even see a reason to own a 360. Then we throw in exclusives and the 360 seems like a $150 door stop.
ChiTownDoc  +   513d ago
Nuke: Just because you're behind on years-old games doesn't mean the 360 library still active. How many AAA games in the last year? The 360 is essentially dead in terms of new releases except for the multi-plat GTA 5.

Seriously? Mass Effect? You're a little late friend. Also, none of those games you listed that you just bought are 360 exclusives.

Sony on the other hand, in the 'lame duck' console year, has brought/is bringing The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, Gran Turismo 6, Kingdom Hearts Remix, and the aforementioned GTA 5.
dedicatedtogamers  +   515d ago
While there are certainly people out there who want Kinect gone, Microsoft wants Kinect in every single home. It's for advertising. You thought ads on the dash (even if you're a paying Gold member) were bad?

Xbox One was made for advertising. This article comes from the same site (OXM) http://www.oxm.co.uk/57592/...

And what does Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's CEO have to say about it? Well, he said this waaaaaay back in 2006. Straight quote: "the bedrock of Microsoft was developers, developers, developers. Now it's advertisers, advertisers, advertisers".

And people think Microsoft cares about gaming....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Megaton  +   515d ago
You're 100% correct. The amount of willful ignorance towards Microsoft's intentions, especially on this site, really astounds me sometimes.
T2  +   515d ago
guess I won't be getting an xbone after all... I was looking for a sku of 299 without kinect in 2015, oh well...
Bigpappy  +   515d ago
No you would not be getting X1. But I will. I don't mind the Gov'ment watching me stick it to the lady of the house every now and then. I will also try and remember to take my shirt off and remove the cap from my head so they don't know what team or brands I like.

It makes no sense for them to remove Kinect then I have to order one separately. I like to come home knowing I have everything I need in the box
DarkHeroZX  +   514d ago
@Bigpappy

No matter how much make up you make her wearand how nicely she dresses for you, your hand doesn't count as a woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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andibandit  +   515d ago
The article you linked to talks about add profiling...so I for example, dont get adds for lego games or jrpgs......kinect itself isnt providing extra adds, which you make it sound like.
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SilentGuard  +   514d ago
No, Kinect may not provide extra ads, but what it will do is allow for targeted advertising based on data mining. Better targeted ads that hit the demographic advertisers want will allow MS to charge a premium for ads on Xbox. It's a gold mine for them.
XboxFun  +   515d ago
@Dedicated

So this will take away from gaming how?

Are there still games announced for the X1? Are there still games coming to the X1? Have they not stated that they are developing new IP's for the X1.

And because they want extra revenue this will take away from the gaming experience?

You really need to try harder with your insane attempt at downplaying the Xbox.

And why don't you re-watch the link you provided. It has nothing to do with advertisements as you make it out to seem.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   515d ago
So true,.. that is why it is mandatory,.

To have this device in your living room, for Market Research, and Targeted Marketing,.. Is Disrespectful, Unethical, and Intrusive.
dirigiblebill  +   515d ago
Give me a game that makes compelling use of it, and I'll get behind it. In front of it, rather. You know what I mean.
nukeitall  +   515d ago
There are already two compelling games for the original Kinect:

Kinect Sports (sold over 3 million copies)
Dance Central (sold over 2.5 million copies)

Those sold numbers are for quite a while ago and not updated for some time. That is, it sells more than many hardcore games!

With the more advanced Kinect, if people don't whine too much, developers might try some more awesome experience.

As a supplement, it is already great: http://www.ign.com/articles...
McScroggz  +   515d ago
I think what he means is something more catered towards core gamers. Kinect Sports and Dance Central certainly have their fanbases, but those are more specialized games for parties and the like. I believe what dirigiblebill is asking for is a game, first and foremost, that happens to make use of the Kinect in interesting and fun ways that could not be done without the device.
nukeitall  +   515d ago
@McScroggz:

Then it is too soon to know, but I think the next Kinect will bring some creative and awesome games. However, it is dependent on the device not getting so much bad reputation that people avoid it, simply due to the a niche core crowd outspokeness ruining a great opportunity to revolutionize gaming.

The accuracy and the stuff MS has shown with the next Kinect is nothing short of amazing. Just looking at you, Kinect One can tell your heart rate! o_0
KwietStorm  +   515d ago
If your examples for compelling games are Kinect Sports and Dance Central, then you either had no idea what he was getting at, or your idea of compelling is..something else.
no_more_heroes  +   515d ago
Don't want the to take it out of the package. I would just prefer if they didn't make it necessary to be connected to the console for the console to work.

I'm actually quite intrigued about the possibilities Kinect 2 presents, especially since developers know that every x1 owner will have one.
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aiBreeze  +   515d ago
"I would just prefer if they didn't make it necessary to be connected to the console for the console to work."

That's my biggest problem with the Xbox One at the moment. I can see the logic in packaging it with the console but to make it necessary to have it connected for the Xbox One to work is just forcing it on us imho.
Erudito87  +   515d ago
well the fact that kinect one was soo broken that the ryse team didnt think to use it tells us a lot
FanboyCrusher  +   515d ago
Because you can't sell a peripheral solo in a market that hasn't been established. It would waste millions in advertisement, development, and time.
PSVita  +   514d ago
I agree, that's why they're "forcing" it with the Xbox one. The question though is why are they so keen to push kinect? It has nothing to do with gaming I can tell you that... It's either in the interest of the government or advertisement companies or possibly both.
Megaton  +   515d ago
Because it's good for a talking point as an "innovation of the future" for people who have no idea what a motion cam is, or know its history in gaming. The mandatory purchase and use could also give them a little iron fist action against their users in the future, should they choose to do so. It's a tool for nonsense PR and user control. Not much else. Certainly nothing good pertaining to gaming. Although, people who hacked the original one seemed to make interesting use of it, so it has potential outside of gaming.
andibandit  +   515d ago
I have to disagree, the abillity to read my heartbeat as im playing a horror game could tailor an experience, I would not soon forget, of course you'd have to know that its more than a motion cam, but I can understand that is hard too see if one is so busy hating on kinect.
YNWA96  +   515d ago
Maria was busy counting every Xbox sold in every country. So obsessed over a console, sad state of affairs.
thrust  +   515d ago
Good, it's £70 difference, if you can not afford it save up a bit more...
4logpc  +   515d ago
its pretty simple.

Gaming has not progressed as a market as much as it should of.

The amount of consoles sold is around 150 million (combining xbox 360 and PS3) and that is about the same amount of people who bought the ps2 (which was easily the most successful of last gen)

In a generation the market hasnt really grown. Games are getting bigger, but not as many people are buying.

Companies feel like they need to innovate to bring new things to the platform, to increase the size of the market. Nintendo was the first to do this with the Wii.

The Kinect is Microsofts way to make their experience different, and they believe it their way to bring new people to the market.
KwietStorm  +   515d ago
That's not necessarily true. Yes, PS2 is the highest selling console ever at 150+ million, which equals the 360 and PS3 combined, as you said. But there is also the Wii, somewhere around 100 million. The first Xbox and Gamecube combined were somewhere around 50 million. You have to understand the total dominance the PS2 enjoyed. Just because one console didn't repeat the PS2's success, it doesn't mean the market didn't grow. There were absolutely more consoles sold overall this generation.
4logpc  +   515d ago
You have to look at software as well.

Wii sold 100 million, but only first party titles sold, and it was pretty much everyones second console. Most people that had a wii also had either an Xbox or PS3 in the house.

I never said since one console didnt repeat the ps2's success, doesnt mean the market didnt grow.

The PS2 was THE console to get last gen. If you were a gamer, theres an EXTREMELY good chance you had a PS2. Now the 150 million ps2's sold would also account for the people that bought multiple consoles. So i would say it is around 130 million unique people who bought a ps2.

Fast forward to this gen, and it looks about the same, in fact it looks a lot worse.

People that say 20 million of the 70 million 360;s sold were people who bought more beacuse they broke are over estimating. Its around 2 million., so you have about 68 million unique 360 owners, and around the same number for ps3.

A lot of people have now picked up a ps3 with the low price and playstaiton plus. The was not the case last gen. Most people had a ps2 and that was it. Sometimes you find someone with 2 or all 3 consoles, but that percetage is much higher this gen. A lot more people have 360's and a Ps3 as opposed to having a PS2 and an xbox/game cube.

The market is barely growing, and in many areas is is dying.
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theWB27  +   515d ago
The only people who don't want the Kinect are the ones who weren't sold on getting an XboxOne to begin with. I'm happy they're keeping it there. It's easy...if you don't want the camera then get a PS4. Simple stuff.

Some gamers are as short sighted as oil tycoons. Stay with the stat qou...
Mr_Nuts  +   515d ago
*** The only people who don't want the Kinect are the ones who weren't sold on getting an XboxOne to begin with ***

and you know this how?

I want a Xbox One...I just don't want Kinect

I'm not sold on the Xbox One BECAUSE of Kinect
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theWB27  +   515d ago
The people who want an Xbox are buying an Xbox. It's simple really. Were you an Xbox first gamer and are switching over to Playstation simply because of Kinect?

If the Xbox was going to be your second down the line console then you are one of those people who weren't sold on it. It didn't take much for you not to get an X1.

@OrangePowerz
No one is forcing you to buy it. Get a WiiU or a PS4. The X1 is selling out. The original Kinect has sold over 24 million units. People want it enough to still buy the X1. It's not the Playstation. The Kinect is built into the fabric of the system, it isn't going anywhere.

@joecanada
It's useless to you. But 24 million other buyers say otherwise. The fact that the X1 is selling out says otherwise.
Nyromith  +   515d ago
Yeah, me too! I'm very excited about the Xbox one since E3, and especially since they removed the DRM. It was my dream to buy both next gen consoles (I also has both consoles this gen) and this Kinect is the only thing holding me off.
aiBreeze  +   515d ago
Mr_Nuts is spot on.. with the reversal of the DRM policies, it's the kinect holding me back. I don't want that thing connected my console everytime I game.. simples. The only way I will get a Xbox One as things stand is if 343 return Halo to it's past greatness.

@theWB27 is there a kinect article in recent weeks where you haven't came on here quoting the 24m sold figure? Just wondering, outside of the game shipped with Kinect devices, what's the overall kinect only game sales like? I think you'll find that figure to be a lot less desirable.
JokesOnYou  +   515d ago
aibreeze, thats the point kinect isn't being used for kinect ONLY games, its actually being used in all types of games and it's a integral part of the entire platform, WHY because its included.

Agreed theWB27 I had this discussion awhile back those well known to be fans of xbox favor microsofts attempt to use kinect to advance the platform beyond the status quo while most of the well known sony folks who hated on 360 suddenly can't wait for X1 without kinect...pfft lol, yeah riiiight.
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XboxFun  +   515d ago
Why don't you want it connected to the Xbox?

It comes with the Xbox, why not connect it?

that is like connected the Wii without the sensor bar. It amazes me how much people want this change in gaming or don't want the same thing over and over again but when something does come along that might break the monotony of gaming or stand out from the rest of the crowd people go in a blind rage of what they think they don't want only because they never tried it or gave it a chance.

From the few devs that are using the Kinect 2 it is sounding promising. And we have already heard from some producers that they can't wait to try out kinect 2.

Gamers, especially on this site need to be a little more open minded.
thrust  +   515d ago
It's funny tho I bet the ones whining about kinect, will go out and buy the cam for the ps4 when they see the fun little cools features they are missing out on.

Gotta love the fans who troll because they have to choose which console they are getting and not affording both, so they choose one and troll on the other to make themselfs feel better.

Love it, save up get both ;)
OrangePowerz  +   515d ago
There is a difference between having the option to go and buy the camera seperate and being forced to pay extra for something if you want it or not.
Campy da Camper  +   515d ago
You're missing the point. If I want to use a camera for a specific game then I would want the ability to use it just for that game. I don't want an always on camera on me when I game. I don't care about the NSA but I do care about hackers finding a way to see in my apartment. What is someone can use WiFi and just drive down a street turning on peoples kinect and seeing that hey the house is empty! Let's bust in and take that suckers shit!

Pass.
T2  +   515d ago
wrong, i have a 360 right now and i would never buy a kinect, its a useless piece of shyte... so why would I drop an extra 100 or so on xbone to get exactly what I don't want?
thrust  +   515d ago
The fact you put useless shows how much you know.....

£80 more is not a 100 or so hahaha
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Nyromith  +   515d ago
@ joecanada
Clicked 'disagree' by mistake. Have a thumb up.
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aiBreeze  +   515d ago
@thrust.. well you assumed he's from England despite his name being joeCANADA.. I don't think you're in any position to tell anyone how much they know about anything to be fair.
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thrust  +   515d ago
Breeze, am from uk, so it is £80 diff.......

Fact
T2  +   514d ago
ok describe to me in a relevant post how exactly kinect is not useless? and how exactly xbone is not charging "about 100" for the kinect?
your post makes no sense whatsoever.
McScroggz  +   515d ago
There are a lot of people, maybe even the majority of core gamers, that weren't automatically Team Xbox or Team PlayStation. Trust me, there are plenty of people who want an Xbox One that don't want Kinect just like there are plenty of people who don't want the Xbox One because of Kinect.

And you call some gamers short sighted because of this. Now, sure, I'll admit that Kinect just might end up being a worthwhile innovation in gaming. However, if I'm buying a console I'm not investing in the possibilities of next generation ideas. For all I know, the Kinect2.0 might end up being awesome THIS generation. But, what I do know is that if the Kinect2.0 weren't in the Xbox One it would be significantly less expensive and be a lot closer in power to the PS4. So, when weighing the possibilities to very easy to see why many wish the Kinect wasn't integral to the Xbox One when everything they know about the device's history has been fundamentally casual driven.
theWB27  +   515d ago
@McScroggz
"It would significantly less expensive and be a lot closer in power to the PS4."

Just get a PS4 then...that's my argument.

"And you call some gamers short sighted because of this. Now, sure, I'll admit that Kinect just might end up being a worthwhile innovation in gaming. However, if I'm buying a console I'm not investing in the possibilities of next generation ideas."

That's the very definition of being short sighted. You aren't looking at the possibilities. If it's optional then we will NEVER see the possibilities because developers won't invest in a splintered market.

@aiBreeze
Is there an Xbox article where people haven't come in and state the difference in power? A Sony article where people don't talk about the number of un-announced exclusives? A Cerny article doesn't mention how great and almighty he his?

Luckily the Kinect isn't for Kinect-only games right? Or only for games in general...but thanks anyway.

@Campy the Camper
That's the weakest argument you could possibly have. If you have a laptop then they can still do it. If you are on a desktop then they can still hack into your computer gain any info you've entered into it. The apps on your phone are more intrusive.
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KwietStorm  +   515d ago
That's 100% a general assumption, and I don't even know what it's based on either.
McScroggz  +   515d ago
It's not shortsighted as gamers to choose the console with the most appeal. It's Microsoft's job to make Kinect appealing enough to be a game changer in the gaming landscape, and it's Microsoft's job to sell Kinect to core gamers. You say it's shortsighted, but you could use your argument for those who didn't buy into the Kinect for the Xbox 360. Are they shortsighted because for the console they bought it didn't look like it would be anything special?

My point is the Kinect may someday be a great part of video gaming. But I don't need to continuously buy and support it in hopes that it does indeed become awesome. When I buy a console, I'm buying it for what I know it can do and firmly believe it will do. Kinect is very much up in the air. Saying it's shortsighted for a gamer is simply incongruous with the vast majority of gamers and how they think.

"@McScroggz
"It would significantly less expensive and be a lot closer in power to the PS4."

Just get a PS4 then...that's my argument."

What about this...

"theWB27 + 1h ago
The only people who don't want the Kinect are the ones who weren't sold on getting an XboxOne to begin with. I'm happy they're keeping it there. It's easy...if you don't want the camera then get a PS4. Simple stuff."

There are many reasons why a gamer might choose one console over the other, yet (at least in the context of this discussion) you seem to think it boils down to some people want Kinect so they get the Xbox One and those that don't get the PS4.

If you're willing to spend $100 more for a less powerful console that has a longterm commitment to core gamers that's at least somewhat questionable all because at some point the Kinect might be more than a device to rope in casuals then more power to you. I sincerely don't begrudge you. But let's not denigrate those who discount the Kinect because, frankly, it's a lot smarter to be cautious and cynical than to completely buy into it.
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theWB27  +   515d ago
"It's not shortsighted as gamers to choose the console with the most appeal. It's Microsoft's job to make Kinect appealing enough to be a game changer in the gaming landscape, and it's Microsoft's job to sell Kinect to core gamers. You say it's shortsighted, but you could use your argument for those who didn't buy into the Kinect for the Xbox 360. Are they shortsighted because for the console they bought it didn't look like it would be anything special?"

The first Kinect was an add-on peripheal. Kinect 2 is built into base of the X1. That's a big difference. I didn't say it was shortsighted for gamers to choose the system with the most appeal. That's why I say if you don't want a system with a camera, go with something else. It obviously isn't appealing to you.

The first Kinect...gamers are wise enough to know, I would hope, that add-ons aren't taken advantage of by developers if it isn't adopted by the masses. The only add-on that doesn't suffer that fate are racing wheels.

"There are many reasons why a gamer might choose one console over the other, yet (at least in the context of this discussion) you seem to think it boils down to some people want Kinect so they get the Xbox One and those that don't get the PS4."

No. People who don't want the Xbox enough should go in a separate direction. People who want it enough are going to get it even though the camera is there.

"If you're willing to spend $100 more for a less powerful console that has a longterm commitment to core gamers that's at least somewhat questionable all because at some point the Kinect might be more than a device to rope in casuals then more power to you. I sincerely don't begrudge you. But let's not denigrate those who discount the Kinect because, frankly, it's a lot smarter to be cautious and cynical than to completely buy into it."

How can you base your whole argument about the here and now and then end with this future talk? Right here, right now they are making a commitment to core gamers. The games don't look less powerful than the PS4. There hasn't been a single dev who has said the X1 is hampering development. I am willing to spend a 100 dollars more. I was willing to spend that money last gen for a PS3 even when I already had a 360.

I have no problem pointing out how gamers don't want anything but power. I've been gaming a long time...I want different possibilities. Like Dead Rising 3 where zombies in the game can hear noise within your house. I think it'll only get better. But I also only believe it will if the developers know the device is there for the whole user base and not just a fraction.
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Ame_No_Shiryuu  +   515d ago
because without kinect it's gonna be worse than PS4 even more.., i mean, there's no selling point anymore.., kinect is the only thing what could save Xbox One..
Wikkid666  +   515d ago
It's easier to develop for a market that isn't segmented.

That was the biggest problem with the 360. Some people had hard drives, some didn't. Some people had Kinect, others didn't. Why take the time to think of ways to use something when everyone doesn't have it.
Bigpappy  +   515d ago
Kinect might very well end up being the main reason to buy an X1. We have to wait and see what they show in the next few months
from the beach  +   515d ago
It's clearly an instrumental part of the console and, quite frankly, it looks like it will be awesome, so I'm happy for it to stay in there.

Maybe people will warm to it in time when they get their hands on it.
busytoad  +   515d ago
Kinect Blows monkey turds. If im going to game i want a fing controller in my hand like i have been doing since the 80's, instead of standing there flailing my arms around.
Funky Town_TX  +   515d ago
I cant think of one kinect game that requires arm flailing. Dont worry about looking crazy just have fun. Anytime kiddos come to my house they have a blast on Kinect. I like it as an add-on, nothing more.
busytoad  +   515d ago
No thx, true gamers use a controller. For the kids it might be fun but for me not a chance in hell.
Funky Town_TX  +   515d ago
With Kinect = $500 so thats a no buy for me. $400 for a PS4 is even pushing it.
KwietStorm  +   515d ago
Wii U is 350. If 400 is pushing it, especially when looking at the launch prices for lesser hardware this generation, how much did you realistically expect it to cost?
OrangePowerz  +   515d ago
I still dont believe it's as integrated into the system as they say, after they said the console was built around the 24h check in and that it would be a vital part that they can't remove. Give it a few months after launch and hackers will have a way to fully use the console with Kinect unplugged.
iceman06  +   515d ago
Umm...It IS as integrated as they say simply BECAUSE they want to have it that way. I'm sure that they could sell it as a stand alone product and release a SKU without Kinect. But, then they would essentially have the promise of Kinect 2.0 squandered by the segmented market. I am not really in to motion controls and the like. I do, however, understand the business side of this decision. It's either risk the millions of dollars of R&D on a whim. Or it's package it in and make it a part of the operation of the console in hopes that gamers will enjoy it in part or fully.
Also, I agree that it will probably be hacked in some way...because there are many people that really just want to play games and aren't concerned or excited for motion, gestures, voice activation, etc.
silvacrest  +   515d ago
because the NSA forbid it
Soldierone  +   515d ago
Because no matter how much you say you don't want it, Microsoft thinks they know better than you and don't care.
andibandit  +   515d ago
Oh just like people said about the wii and motion controls.......the real mistake you are making is that what you heard, read and think, represents everyone.
Soldierone  +   515d ago
Am I the only one here saying I don't want this? No. Even people buying it don't want it....

The problem here is MS thinking Kinect will be the next Wii and throwing their loyal customers out the door to accomplish that.
Supermax  +   515d ago
I want kinect in the box 499 is what I payed for 8 years ago for the 360.
andibandit  +   515d ago
True the original kinect was horrible
dazzrazz  +   515d ago
If anybody is interested why all those big companies are so interested in face recognition software, hardware and technology there is a pretty cool video from BlackHat 2011 called

Faces Of Facebook-Or, How The Largest Real ID Database In The World Came To Be
BattleTorn  +   515d ago
How hard could it have been for Microsoft to actually develope a hardcore game that utilizes Kinect 2.0?

Maybe Ryse will actually do what it was intially set out to do...

Botttomline: we haven't been shown it's true potential, yet.

Such as the facial 3D modelling, the swapping player profiles when you pass the controller, the scanning of QR codes, how monitoring you heartrate, and where you're looking can translate into game features....
Microsoft, why don't you actually advertise your M*F* features!
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iceman06  +   515d ago
I really think that MS are going back to the drawing board with their PR strategy. They sunk their hopes on an all digital future and that was tanked. So, now they have to redirect the focus of Xbox One. They are a bit lost because they don't want to just focus on Kinect, TV, and functions outside of gaming and risk a core rebellion. Yet, they also want to appeal to the mass market. They kind of want to be the Wii, in terms of mass market appeal. The truth is that the Wii was like catching lightning in a bottle. They just need to let whatever is going to occur, happen organically and then respond accordingly. The first step, IMO, is to assure the core that they are 1st and foremost in terms of importance.
Shadonic  +   515d ago
Because they would lose money.
green  +   515d ago
Why do people want the X1 to be a PS4? I like the fact the three consoles are moving in different directions.
Excalibur  +   515d ago
And why I WON'T buy one with it...
CuddlyREDRUM  +   514d ago
What would they send to the NSA, then?
francisjairam16  +   510d ago
Which is why people are still afraid of being tracked because the NSA is spying on us. Besides they will use the Kinect to track everyone to see where they are. I hate to sound like a fanboy but your better off having a PS4 that won't have it.

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