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Xbox certification unacceptable for free-to-play, says World of Tanks dev

"One of the biggest challenges with Microsoft was the frequency of updates because the QA process and certification process takes an extremely long time. Totally unacceptable for a meaningful free-to-play."

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MariaHelFutura1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

Ouch. He must be a Sony fanboy. :p

Hopefully Microsoft does another 180 for the developers, this time.

ShugaCane1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

His game was released on MS systems, not on PS3. Criticizing Microsoft doesn't systematically make you a Sony fanboy. Just as criticizing Sony doesn't mean you're a MS fanboy. He has arguments, it's not some random statement, so don't start something when there's no need to.

fabod861070d ago

Sarcasm... this unknown. ;)

b163o11070d ago

@ShugaCane

That's just the sad truth about the game now days, if you love a Sony Exclusive your Sony Fanboy. If your game of choice happens to be a M$ Exclusive your a bona fide M$ fanboy. It's just the consequence you pay for admiring a developers work..... Sad lol

SilentNegotiator1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

He's trolling with sarcasm.

Don't fall for obvious trolls. His avatar is Kaz, man.

M1chl1069d ago

I think more users on N4G should be like ShugaCane : )

Mounce1069d ago

I like The Last of Us.

OH FUCK I'M A SONY FANBOY, PLEASE DON'T STONE ME TO DEATH, NINTENDO/XBOX DRONES!

abzdine1069d ago

then why release the game on 360 in first place? for the money? then why does he complain?

MWong1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

You get paid enough money you'll probably release the game on any console. He's not a fanboy, he is just speaking his mind on his views of M$'s certification process. Both Sony & M$ have been criticized about their certification process. But I think so far this next-gen Sony has a smoother process. M$ will probably follow suit soon. Indie games come out A LOT quicker than AAA/big studio releases.

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EDGEcator1070d ago PersonalAttacksShow
nukeitall1070d ago

I don't think he is a Sony fangirl, and he likely has a valid point.

That said, aren't you guys sick of constantly having to update your game. What happened to properly testing your game prior to release?

This is why there is certification process to ensure quality, and a cost to ensure lower frequency updates.

I hate being bothered with updates, especially if they are slow and why I love them on the Xbox 360. When you start a game, and an update is available, it just downloads and applies the update while the game is started and while the game is running, XBL logs me out and in. Bam I'm playing.

No game restarts necessary, no installing and very fast downloads.

In fact, other than prompting me for the update, it is no different than just starting the game!

Angeljuice1070d ago

If its that easy, why are you sick of the updates?

Are you truly sick of unnoticeable happenings going on seamlessly in the background, or are you blindly arguing in favour of a bad Microsoft policy?

nukeitall1070d ago

@Angeljuice:

I just don't like the fact that games are shipped with the expectation that it is to be fixed later. That shouldn't be the norm.

"If its that easy, why are you sick of the updates?"

When I game on PC and PS3 the updates get extremely annoying.

That is why I play on my Xbox 360.

I take it you support buggy and unfinished games that comes with the expectation that it should be patched?

That should only be the case under extraordinary circumstances like during launch for obvious reasons.

It shouldn't be the norm and expected!

HammadTheBeast1070d ago

Do you not understand how the free-to-play model works?

As of now it's completely broken on XBL.

SilentNegotiator1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

So you dislike frequent updates, but compared Xbox updating to simply starting the game? And the whole discussion here is on the topic of the Xbox port? You really need to stop trying to mix your fanboyisms with logic; it never works well.

If that's the case, you shouldn't have ANY issue with having frequent updates on the Xbox 360. But you were just digging for a way to praise the Xbox and attack ps3/PC.

CBaoth1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

This post pretty much proves why you can't believe people at face value on the internet if you are that misinformed.

"I just don't like the fact that games are shipped with the expectation that it is to be fixed later. That shouldn't be the norm."

I'd totally agree with you if you paid money for the product. But you didn't. It's a F2P game so this is an apples to oranges comparison. If you're going to effuse praise on any company for releasing a relatively bug free game, then the line starts AFTER Nintendo.

"When I game on PC and PS3 the updates get extremely annoying. That is why I play on my Xbox 360."

I have been primarily a PC gamer for the last 3 years and that is probably the most absurd misconception I've read from a N4G poster in quite a while. Other than Witcher 2, which I bought retail since its DRM free, I can't remember ever waiting on a patch to play a game. They auto update whether it's Steam, Origin, or any other other multitude of content delivery services. You worried about data caps so you set the application to NOT update? Blame your ISP, not these services. Just wow.

I_AM_ CANADIAN_19891070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

Nuke how in the 8 pound 6 ounce new born baby Jesus do you have 5 bubbles still. You're comments provide absolutely nothing to the gaming community and you're creating a face palm induced acne breakout throughout this entire website. You are the definition of a shill as well as the definition of a absolutely corrupted biased little fan boy.

Before you start calling sony fanboy you should understand If ms had half the intelligence of Sony they'd have learnt from their arrogant decisions by now and fixed the problems with the Xbox one, but sadly they don't so you 're always going to get the shit ms spews thrown in you're face. No corporation is perfect but one learns from their mistakes and one doesn't just care about Teh USA .i support quality and logic ms have neither so it's that simple why I support Sony. Brand loyalty shouldn't exist. If ms does something right I have no problem supporting them original xbox, windows xp and windows 7 are my examples of that; however windows vista windows 8. Xbox 360 and Xbox one can just die in a well for all I care.

seedaripper19731069d ago

I stopped reading after 'Sony fangirl' what a prick.

gtarhro71069d ago

@nukeitall I don't even notice the updates on my PC games, you must have a really slow internet or a PC from the 90s.

lex-10201069d ago

I don't know what you're talking about. Steam updates all my games without me having to do anything.

T21069d ago

Nukeitall is a prime troll ... Needs to go to one bubble fast ... He doesnt even know how auto updates work yet somehow describes xbox having no patches ... LOL

kreate1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

'When I game on PC and PS3 the updates get extremely annoying'

What's ur psn gt so I can add u on ps3.

Btw u havnt added me on xbox live.

Also idk what kind of xbox360 u've been playing on but the x360 I play on kicks me out of the game to this downloading screen that saids 'downloading' and after the game updates the game restarts itself, than I am able to play the game and log back into xbox live.

At least the ps3 has a 'automatic download' option where the ps3 will update everything for u while ur sleeping. Firmware, game updates, trophies, etc.

Edit: any ps3 gamer wants to know how things work on the xbox hit me up and ill tell/show u how xbox works.

Cuz I literally play on xbox live everyday.

Edit2: just for verification, I popped in gears of war2 into my xbox just right now, and the game stopped and took me to the downloading screen when I accepted the download update prompt

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The_KELRaTH1070d ago

World of Tanks is a great game but, just like so many other free to play games on the PC, it's ever evolving with lots of update patches for new features, new content, test ideas, and fixes.
Delaying for MS Q&A is ridiculous as the gamers are the Q&A and the devs create the patches.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II1069d ago

Wow debubble this nukeitall guys asap do something mods what he said was craaaazy

levian1070d ago

This is a game I will probably never even look in to, but I have to say I have respect for these people.

This guy has the balls to openly talk about the problems and issues you have with a company you are exclusively partnered with on console (on console, not talking about pc at all) when most other devs wouldn't dream of speaking bad of them, and refuse to comment when asked.

cyguration1069d ago

Do you see how much World of Tanks makes on PC?

It's only to the benefit of Microsoft that Wargaming is extending itself to consoles. Technically, they really don't need to port at all but I imagine MS paid them a good lump sum for exclusivity.

mewhy321070d ago

F2P is awesome. I've been playing DC Universe Online for months now and it's great. Oh and don't forget Dust 514. DC Universe Online will also be coming to PS4.

Major_Glitch1069d ago

Same here. Love DCUO and Dust 514 on the PS3. The PS4 is getting DCUO and Planetside 2 plus some other good mmos. That's one of the reasons I'm getting the PS4 at launch.

GraveLord1070d ago

World of Tanks is coming exclusively to 360 so not a Sony fanboy at all.

Makes you wonder why this isn't coming to PS3. Did Microsoft really pay them that much?

3-4-51070d ago

no it's because it costs $40k to make a patch beyond the first one.

How many patches are there for STEAM games like 100 ?

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Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II1069d ago

maria troll will disagree with you its a shame that me and you are some of a dying breed that speak sense.

oof461069d ago

Another person who didn't read the article. There is NOTHING pro-this or that in the article. It's just a discussion on policy.

cynthia12fidler1069d ago SpamShow
Psn8001069d ago

Free to play you'll end up paying a lot more wonga .

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Cueil1070d ago

This will likely lead to a much better QA setup from Microsoft... probably one of the reason's that the guys over there decided to do it was to initiate this change in Microsoft and they seem to be willing to take the brunt of the growing pains for the future...

Roper3161070d ago

or maybe like they do with their customers MS promised the world and delivered a pebble instead.

minimur121070d ago

LOL and at E3, he was so happy and certain about how Xbox was the only place to play this game on a console

nukeitall1070d ago

Well this is how it usually work, as you bring in a experienced developer to show you what they need, and not while they are figuring it out.

dennett3161070d ago

I think the bigger obstacle to this Free to Play game is that it's not actually Free to Play on 360 - you have to have a Gold subscription to be able to play it. Yet another service stuck behind the paywall of Xbox Live when it shouldn't be (Netflix).
Wonder if that'll change on Xbox One? Sony have already said that the Free to Play games on PS4 will work fine online even if you don't pay for Playstation Plus...same with Netflix (just like with the PS3). Microsoft need to stop being so greedy and allow certain games and services to be accessed by EVERYONE.

EDGEcator1070d ago TrollingShow
Death1070d ago

I love this term "Paywall". So you are ok with a hardcore gaming machine not placing Netflix and Free to Play games behind the paywall, but are cool with online gaming which seems kind of hardcore, being the only thing behind it? All the free stuff is for the casuals, but the hardcore component is behind the paywall on Playstation. Doesn't that just punish the core audience?

On Xbox, the entire online experience is "behind the paywall". On Playstation everything is free except online multiplayer which is now behind the paywall. Sounds like the "more robust online experience" is free and paid for by the people wanting to play online.

lemondish1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

Its about value. Xbox Live is a really solid and respected network. Sure, it goes down sometimes, but not to the extent and as often as the PSN. On the other hand, the PSN isn't anywhere near as bad as people like to claim, but there is a noticeable difference. Using funds through a subscription like Live or Plus to support a real modern gaming network is desirable for everybody. When invested back properly, this has the added benefit of enhancing games.

At no point does a subscription to Xbox Live enhance my subscription to Netflix. In fact, there's no real interaction between the two services except at login.

DigitalRaptor1070d ago (Edited 1070d ago )

So what you did there was conveniently dodge his points by making no kind of valid rebuttal. Typical.

Netflix on Xbox is a subscription behind a subscription. It's an insult - nothing less. Unless Microsoft become remotely reasonable/fair and adapt their policies, MMOs will be subscriptions behind subscriptions too. There is nothing about free-to-play games that should require a subscription if the developer doesn't want it. Just accept that Microsoft has some horrible policies which have been becoming more and more apparent and numerous over the years.

Ah the life of a Microsoft apologiser.

Death1070d ago

Raptor,
All my tv's access Netflix without a seperate box. Netflix is available on just about any device. Live is a connected service, it doesn't turn on and off. When watching Netflix on an Xbox, your Live service is still running in the background and sending you notifications. It's an extention of the service. I'm not saying I agree with having it there, but that is where it is at. One of the perks of being a Live subscriber is having access to your friends list at all times. It is what it is.

With Sony's new online policy you can do anything you want for free except play online. To me that seems like a backwards approach. People buy a game system to play games. Sony is punishing those that bought the system simply to play on and offline. Not much logic in that. The existing PSN makes sense. Online gaming is free, PS+ gives away enough content to make it a no brainer for just about anyone to subscribe. If people don't see the value in Plus today, how is it fair to those that didn't subscribe that they will have to pay simply to play online?

TheKayle11070d ago

well they r fixing it ..so whats the point?

MasterCornholio1070d ago

What we don't know is how they will fix it.

I don't think it will be as flexible as Sony policies but we will have to wait and see what they come up with.

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IcicleTrepan1070d ago

There's probably a middle ground somewhere. Between the MS certification speed and fixing your software properly in the first place.

I don't think this is an F2P problem either, this is more of a persistent world/online type of problem. In that sense there should probably be a different process games go through for patches etc than the same one for typical games.

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