"We recently spoke to Compulsions Games' Sam Abbott - currently developing Contrast for the PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC - as to the benefits of Sony's next generation hardware and how it brings the game to life."
Well that's a good kind of "worry". It's like worrying which sports car to drive today. It's like the 1st world problems--of videogame development.
Haha, so true!. Sony would probably respond like this: "Scratch your heads today, but you still have atleast 8 years to figure out something, so take your time. If you need help, our first party studios would set some examples for you in the coming years, we are with you all the way"
I agree. It is more about future proofing the system. We are going to have to wait for year 2 to see what developers are doing with the extra RAM as they have time with the system
Wow. PS4 future looking good
PS4, the new PS2.
You look at the first few PS3 games (Resistence Fall of Man etc) and then compare them to The Last of Us and GTA V, you can't help but get excited for what will happen near the end of the PS4's life. Sony... you're doing it right!
PS4 is a beas† PS4, the new PS2 4 > 1 399$
@FATAL1TY haha your comment was too funny! In a good way =]
one more good news for those last ones who had a doubt.
Your right, maybe in 8 years they might figure out how to use more than the xbox1 can do and finally make better games, like they did recently this generation.
Like I said before. 8GB of GDDR5 ram is serious overkill that will NEVER be used this gen. Meanwhile, the consumers will be paying for the extra resources that will never be used.... Stupidity. Watch Sony drop the amount of RAM with the new PS4 slim in order to reduce production costs.....Not like Sony hasn't removed features before in order to reduce costs.
Its more to do with Time deadlines and stuff... in 8 years from now the same 2 year for AAA titles will still exsist so they wil be still scratching their heads
@lv up gamer Wow, that was quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on N4G, you sir take the cake. Take out RAM to reduce cost? Wow, just wow! and 8GB's will be eaten up in no time you'll see
That quote really makes me want to pre-order a PS4, but in all honest, I'm going to wait until all the glitches and bugs are out of the system for good.
8 Gigs of ram is definitely alot for a console....a ton, really.
Good analogy actually. Plus we don't want devs using it up all at once now, it's for developer freedom and longevity for when games start to get even bigger.
@ Lvl_up_gamer Ya, the fact of the matter is, just like the PC, some games will use the MAXIMUM RAM available to build the game. Others will only need a Gig or 2. But, having 8GB in there, will ensure that the games that DO need it, or CAN use it, will have it available to them. Smaller games like Contrast, or other indie projects, will most likely not come close to using 8GM of GDDR5 RAM. Think with your head, not your ASS.
Seems like a good problem to have. I see a lot more freedom in games in the coming gen, Large open worlds with insane amounts of crap you can do.
yes, ive been dying for a true open world free to do anything game. like a mgs/skyrim/gta/sim city/age of empires/command and conquer, all rolled into one game. a game where you start as a single customized character able to 'create/upgrade/customize/ evolve' any 'objects/structures/ideas of any 'size/form/matter' such as 'essentials/weapons/buildi ngs/armies/nations/empires' ; by means of 'tools/technology/alchemy/ magic/energy/GOD like will' all for the purpose of beating the game. What ever plot/story/campaign there may be to incorporate this freedom and idea into a game is completely up to a developer. perhaps a game too big... maybe next next gen lol.
Everyone is used to 512 MB Wii U had 4x that. There is also a difference between using 5GB of RAM and using 5GB of RAM efficiently. 5GB of RAM in a game now, will look different than 5GB RAM in a game 4-5 years from now. They will once again figure out how to do more with less and 5GB will seem like 7-8 to them.
PS4 gives devs 7 gigs of RAM to work with
It's 7GB for the PS4. That's 14x the amount of of the ps3s just going towards the games!! Red dead The last of us Demon souls UC2 And many more have blown me away this generation I can't wait for what's next!
I know that. I'm just saying even with 5, it's a lot more than we think it is. So with 7 it's even more than that. Also throwing out 5gb just because I think that is the most any game announced has used so far.
Some people don't realize that with the X1's hypervisor that 1 of the 3 operating systems is allowed to shutdown or suspend itself and give games more gigs if necessary. X1 games are given at least a dedicated 5 gigs of RAM, but if developers really want to use up 7 gigs they can but the X1 just won't allow you to use the snap feature at the same time. So you won't be able to watch tv, or Skype at the same time while playing a game that uses 7 gigs which is fine with me. I've even heard that in extreme cases that a game could push 7.5 gigs of RAM in a game. But both the PS4 and X1 won't see too many games going over 5 gigs anyway. More about the hypervisor http://www.giantbomb.com/xb... or watch video http://youtu.be/fZGXdGi78xw
Wii U used twice that amount for games. 1 GB for games is pretty much last gen. When was the last game I played on PC that only required 1 GB? Most often require 2.
@Funantic1 OK. I think it's impossible for X1 to get 7 gigs of RAM in extreme cases. Look, many players when won't play game anymore and they want just watch basketball game, they will pause the game, watch basketball game, talk with some people trough Skype at the same time and the Bing search is on and snapping between music, game, an TV.... And 7 GIGS for game on XO?? NO! Maybe 6 Gigs, but 7... Hell no!
@Funatic: What you don't realize is that the hypervisor shutting down an OS = Features that can't be used. One way or another, the Xbox One is technically inferior to the PS4.
Where is that unified memory in Driveclub? Forza looks way better. Or Killzone it looks like Crysis 3 lol
Drive Club is a free to play game, you have the choice to buy new tracks , cars, etc so pretty sure it doesent have the same budget. and it was in alpha...killzone loking like crysis 3 is a bad thing?! its one of the best liking games
Forza sacrificed a lot to achieve that level of quality like real-time weather effects day/night cycles and a limited amount of cars. Also there's a new demo coming out for DC soon so we'll see how much it's improved since the last E3 demo.
@Nekroo91 Drive Club is not a "Free to Play" game. It is a full retail release that is getting a stripped down version on PS+ that uses the "Free to Play" model by allowing you to purchase the parts that are missing. It is still a full budget retail game.
No, Forza 5 does not look better. Driveclub in many area has the better engine. Fully global illumination, real-time reflections, change weather and day/night cicle, big draw distance, shadows are moving when clouds moving and block sunrays.... Everything is top notch. Yeah, for now is 30 fps. But maybe Evolution will push to 60 fps until launch. But i will not be sad if game will be 30 fps. Look the Forza Forizon for example.
So true lmao
I forgot about the lighting..most of it is baked in from what I heard and I think only the sun's light will be dynamic. The Xb1 is very weak in power if it can't even do all of the things that GT5&6 are already doing on the PS3.
I just payed off my ps4, now I can really get excited! Bring on the PS4, BABY!
Bring on what ever the gaming gods can shoot at me. My PS4 was paid off a month ago and I only owe $100 more on my XBOX ONE.
Tell them to keep the Kinect. Paid!
tell them to keep the kinect? nah there too busy shoving it down your neck as your paying the bill.
Thanks for the advice but I personally am not a brand fanboy. I actually am intrigued by the second gen Kinect and glad Microsoft is making it standard with every console. From what I've seen of this devise, its a beast and now I leave it up to the developers to create some great things with it. Same goes for SONY and their 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. I'm really not into all the childish BS that 95% for you grown men and women partake in. Why like only one? and as for you idiots who write crap like 4 > 1 and "BELIEVE" or "JUST JUMP IN" depending if your for SONY or MS, GET A LIFE! THEY ARE VIDEO GAME CONSOLES!!!!! Let me talk to the intelligent speaking adults in the room please.
cedaridge + 6h ago I just payed off my ps4, now I can really get excited! Bring on the PS4, BABY! well 2 people think you didnt pay it off so maybe you still owe 100? :)
@Pope. I guess maybe I didn't payoff my PS4, maybe i'm just lying? Any how, I did purchase a ps4 BUT now I have to get another controller, ps plus memb, ps eye camera, and of course, Games. I got the hard part over with now I just need the accesories. I don't have to B.S bout what I have or don't have, No need for it!
Make better games with it! Simple. Be more creative. Take some risks. Reach for the stars lol.
"Some Playstation 4 developers reportedly removed one of the 4GB RAM modules to put it to better use elsewhere and allow for even better airflow in the Playstation 4, seeing as that second module would likely never be used anyway..." That seems a bit drastic though?!
You forget the devs dont have unlimited time and game artitst and 3d models take a long time to create and are very expensive... There was a 3d enviro artist that did a article about why only 2-3gb wud ever be used in a console simply because of time restrictions and monetary elements
@Gamingisfornerds - What utter shite. On closed consoles systems like consoles all resources get used, thats the point of having all consoles with exactly they same specs. You can make your game use all resources all of the time. @Heartnet - Artists & 3d models will already be done for PC, so reusing PC assets for consoles will save time/costs etc not increase costs.
just a little experiment... I really think, In my personal opinion, that the PlayStation 4 is a really great console from what I have seen and heard about Sony's device so far. I am very excited to get one on release day.
This must be some form of trolling. So I must disagree.
I just wanted to see how many people would disagree. the average disagree to any comment about anything PS4 related is around 4. The experiment was to see if people would disagree about something that stated my personal preference of the PS4 without attacking anyone or any other console. it is interesting to see the results so far, even though I have noticed a large amount of disagrees to benign statements about Sony in general and the PS4 particularly. I have to come to the conclusion that there is a concerted effort to disagree to any positive or neutral statements about the PS4, I don't understand why anyone would bother, bitterness, anger, corporate astroturfing or just disagree trolling. just interesting... :/
LOL It's like, "Man I have a million dollars in my bank account. My life sucks I don't know what to spend it on."
Exactly! Well said. OT: A pic of Trayvon? Come on...
is this guy kidding? how about fewer load screens? massive battles? photo realistic textures and lighting?
they wont be saying that in 4-5 years tho. NOt gonna do it with a game that can run on 360/ps3 too.
haha comment of the year
Naughty Dog will know just what to do with the ram, as will many of Sony's other first party devs.
So they are just not gonna use the extra ram. :/ That is dumb.
@Smoove: "So they are just not gonna use the extra ram. :/ That is dumb." That's some "smoove" trollin' (or is it willful ignorance--I can't tell). Read the article next time. Plus this amount of RAM lengthens the lifespan of the system and could do wonders for sandbox and MMO's. Either way, even if they don't use it, it's still not a waste since the PS4 is STILL cheaper than Xbox One, yet comes with a substantially larger amount of RAM.
PS4 and Xbox One have the same amount of RAM...
^not usable ram. edit: @below yeah i read that giantbomb article too. what i came out with was this... so, in reality, if i want to play a game (that uses more than 5gb of ram), i'll have to sacrifice whatever else i was doing on my console (which is one of the focal points of the X1), effectively defeating whatever "advantage" it might have had. but, also, i came to the realization of, what could i possibly be doing on my console that would need 3gb? netflix? no, can't be that. skype? no, can't be that. tv? no, can't be that. hm. maybe if i'm running multiple apps at once? possibly, but i'd never personally do that as that's what i have a pc for. it sounds to me like microsoft tried to do something interesting, but in reality, all they did was push windows 8 on me through their console.
@JackStraw The difference is there, certainly, but it isn't all that "substantial" as Donnieboi put it. PS4 has 7gb ram 100% dedicated to games and 1gb dedicated to the OS. Xbox One has 5gb that's 100% dedicated to games and another 3gb for the OS, 2.5gb of which, thanks to the One's "Hypervisor"(ridicul ous name, I know.) can potentially be accessed by a videogame if the need arises. There's also the possibility of M$ reducing the One's software footprint later in the generation like they did with the 360 this gen. I find this somewhat unlikely, as the One will be much more app focused, but it is a possibility. Regardless, by mentioning the price, Donnie made it seem like the Xbox One actually has less internal memory than the PS4 period, when this isn't the case. He should've either mentioned the GDDR5 RAM like everyone else does, or specified that he was talking about ram that's dedicated to gaming specifically.
@Jackstraw(again) Yes, you would have to sacrifice whatever else you were doing on the console at the time for your games...but...you admit yourself that there's nothing on the console that's worth 3gb of RAM anyway, so...what are you saying, exactly? You seem to have contradicted yourself.
WHY ARE U BRING UP X1!!!!! "Still not a waste" OFC ITS A WASTE if ur not using it and never will then its a waste! jeez some fanboyz just ridiculous.. "Still cheaper than the X1" So? does that make it less a waste? so far the ps4 is a waste cause i can get a gaming PC for that price that does everything the ps4 does and better!
RAM is used for storage (in the case they're referring to.) If their game isn't necessarily in need of a mass storage of video game assets, then the extra RAM capacity goes unneeded. As said before, games rarely go over 2GB of VRAM when @ 1080p with current gen games (for pc that is). The extra RAM was put in to remove that specific bottleneck as the console ages.
they rarely go over 2GB on PC because most are ports from console games with only 512MB of Ram while other simply cater to the lowest common denominator. But since all consoles will have 8GB of available Ram by default that's an advantage consoles have over the multiple configurations of the PC. This is just simple common sense.
@wishingW3L Yes PC's rarely use over 2GB of RAM but the GPU has RAM baked onto it. Not just 32Mb though they have 1, 2 or 3GB of RAM. 1 GB = 1,024 MB to be specific. So while PC's use 2 GB of RAM the Xbox One will have to use more system RAM to make up for them not having as much RAM baked onto the GPU.
@ WishingW3L Of course it's common sense and it's also a beginning of a new generation. Completely redone engines aren't going to sprout out of nowhere, they're going to use what they have now aka. what was used last gen. RAM usage probably won't rise much this early thus: "Still Scratching Our Heads As To What To Do With It All" pretty much explains it all. Which sums up what I just said earlier, their game doesn't really need a capacity that large atm. Where as KZ:SF is a different story.
Sorry guys but Smoove is right, with developing costs going up and develop teams having deadlines they aren't going to take advantage of this extra ram. Even with PC architecture quality games are still hard work. Games don't even use 5 gigs of ram. Microsoft got it correct
Dont worry, neither the gpu nor cpu Will handle all 7gb of data, not even an ivybridge/gtx 680 CAN !! Its all pr bullshit. Perhaps no loading times, less popups, but nothing special. Look at driveclub/30 fps.
The components are custom, Why would they put 7 GB of ram if they cannot use it all. smh Driveclub devs are working on 60 fps.