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Submitted by 360ICE 368d ago | opinion piece

Lucas and Spielberg: "Games Can't be Art"

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA—This Saturday, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg hosted a panel debate at an independent film festival the two had chosen to dedicate to themselves. At the event, the two highly praised filmmakers mostly talked about problems facing the world of cinema.

However, Spielberg and Lucas also dedicated a significant chunk of the event to talk about other mediums, expressing their skepticism to non-cinematic art forms.

[Satire] (Culture, Dev, Industry)

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ShugaCane  +   369d ago
“No, I haven’t tried those games, but if they use a controller then they simply cannot be as artistic and daring as Indiana Jones IV.”

lol

EDIT : Nevermind. Everything is acuatlly false, I fell for it lol I didn't see "[Satire]", my bad..
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ArchangelMike  +   369d ago
Proves they are speaking from a position of ignorance, and therefore invalidates their statements. Go play The Last of Us, and come tell me that it's not better than Indiana Jones IV in every conceivable way.
ShugaCane  +   369d ago | Helpful
This interview didn't happen. It was all made up by the author, probably as a response to their previous statements when they said that games are not art, or something stupid like that.

The real story, few weeks ago :

http://n4g.com/news/1281368...
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Donnieboi  +   369d ago
Satire. Read before u post.
mattdillahunty  +   368d ago
lol. for once i didn't even bother reading the blurb on this page, i just went straight to the article. so, when i started reading the justifications for why they said games can't be art, i was thinking, "really? these are the most pathetic reasons i've ever heard." lol.

good to know this is just satire. i do question why this even got approved, though. it's not news, it's not a real article, it's not even a very entertaining read. i'm not one to cry 'flame bait!' but that's pretty much what this article is; the website doesn't even deserve the hits.
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LAWSON72  +   368d ago
Maybe Indiana Jones 4, but not the first 3.
MikeyDucati1  +   368d ago
You know there was other games before The Last Of Us. You guys are running that name into the ground...deep into it
CommonSense  +   368d ago
While I certainly think many many games are infinitely better than anything Lucas has done in the last 20 years, TLOU is not one of them.

Naughty Dog are the Lucas (post original trilogy) of gaming.
nosferatuzodd  +   368d ago
indeed they no nothing about games yet they keep opening their big mouth to talk
pixelsword  +   368d ago
I personally don't think games are art just because of the way developers conform to the consumer, which means they are making a product; just like how people whined about Mass Effect's ending and they changed it, or how you get nickled and dimed for DLC.
minimur12  +   368d ago
I'm starting to get pissed with all of these satire posts....

Is it just me?

I mean, yeah the first one I saw with Iwata punching someone in the face made me laugh, but then we had some other one whichI can't remember and it just killed it. Satire posts aren't funny anymore
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TheKayle1  +   368d ago
the last of us better than indiana jones?

i think u r too young or just too ignorant to understand what u r comparing ..lol

one is a myth...the other is a videogame that will be forget the next year

(this dosnt mean that a game cant be art!)...

ps. i love naugthy dog games
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DragonKnight  +   368d ago
WTF is up with all these lame "satire" pieces lately? It's as if douchebag syndrome has been plaguing the "gaming media" lately and people think their sarcasm is funny. Newsflash, satire is usually humourous.

Does N4G need to add a new Satire category now?
blanket14  +   368d ago
they ruined indiana jones ; ( I mean seriously that movie was terrible the end where they found out the aliens and crap killed it for me! I know Harrison is getting older but yhey really had to bring a kid in. they better not milk the series out with shia labeouf! I was a huge fan and still am but not of the 4th installment.
hankmoody  +   368d ago
C'mon, you really think that either Spielberg OR Lucas would choose Indiana Jones 4 from everything they've ever done as an example to compare videogames against?
iamnsuperman  +   369d ago
"Nevermind. Everything is actually false, I fell for it lol I didn't see "[Satire]", my bad.."

Don't worry about it. I feel no-one in the gaming journalism world can do satire properly. If people are going to do it they need to do it properly
Tommykrem  +   369d ago
Not to be hateful or anything, but I think a much bigger problem is that video game communities rarely take the time, or even know how to, read something properly.

I mean
"This Saturday, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg hosted a panel debate at an independent film festival the two HAD CHOSEN TO DEDICATE TO THEMSELVES."

Who reads past that sentence AND a [Satire] tag (which really should be unnecessary to begin with) still thinking this isn't satire?

Sites like this one and pixelgrater.com do pretty good jobs. Against all odds.
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admiralvic  +   368d ago
@ Tommykrem

A lot don't read the description posted on the site and just read the article. I doubt the article says satire, though the satire articles are stupid to begin with. Not everyone is looking to read an article, analyze what is mentioned, look into sources, verify it's completely false and largely a waste of time. There was a time (not to long ago) when NO SATIRE articles were on N4G too, so it's not like we've had countless articles to deal with either.
Tommykrem  +   368d ago
admiralvic:

And who on earth has to "analyse" anything? You don't have to look into sources, the answer is right in front of you.
1. The things said in the article are ridic.
2. ...The description says satire.

If you don't have the time for satire, don't read it.

If these articles have done anything, it's demonstrate that the way N4G'ers usually jump into arguments are ridiculous. Commenting before even give the article a second's worth of thought. Or before reading.
Dmarc  +   367d ago
@tommy
how often does satire get posted on here?
And you expect people to just know this like it posted on here daily ?
Tommykrem  +   367d ago
@Dmarc
I'd expect that of an elementary school educated human being, yeah.
Dmarc  +   367d ago
You think a child with only an elementary level education would know this was satire?Even though we didnt learn about satire til 7th or 8th grade and probably didnt comprehend the meaning until highschool?

I think its safe to say you have unrealistic expectations.
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Tommykrem  +   367d ago
@Dmarc
For some reason I wasn't expecting people on N4G to get it, but that really is their own fault.
1. There's a tag there that says satire.
2. "Hell, some mediums don’t have pictures at all"
3. "Boom Blox was intended to be a moving story about a man who suffers from the untimely death of his wife, and who has to reconcile himself with the idea of love. However, once the game controller was involved, Boom Blox turned into a game about blowing up blocks that look like farm animals."
4. When I first tried the Kinect I played in poorly lit conditions, so the device didn’t recognise all of my gestures. I got frustrated, then I started to feel upset, then angry. That camera made me feel. Now, that’s art
5. No, I haven’t tried those games, but if they use a controller then they simply cannot be as artistic and daring as Indiana Jones IV.

These quotes simply would not happen. I mean, literally, you'd have to write THIS IS SATIRE all over the page to go any further than the article already does. People should take some time (like, 8 seconds) when they first choose to read something. Otherwise there's not really any point to gaming journalism in the first place. Thankfully, a few did.
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fermcr  +   368d ago
Indiana Jones IV was a big pile of crap. If that's art, then no thanks.
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Mikeyy  +   368d ago
Indiana Jones 4 started awesome, was great half way through, then ended so terribly...
DrRobotnik  +   368d ago
And yet Virtua Fighter sits proudly on display in the Smithsonian Museum.
blennerville  +   368d ago
Are those two still alive:P
NYC_Gamer  +   369d ago
I don't really care long as gaming provides me with entertainment
fsfsxii  +   368d ago
Holy moly, i guess the infamous disagree ghost doesn't play games for entertainment.
chestnut1122  +   369d ago
Spielberg and Lucas take these and eat it on Your mind, Uncharted Is Way Much better and more art than Indiana Jones, The Last of Us Is better than alot of Zombie Movies, Dino Crisis was more original than Your fucking Jurassic Park Circus, Resident Evil Movies Sucks compared to Resident Evil games Story WIse. Heavy rain and La Noire is better than Sherlock Holmes these days, I prefer Read Dead Redemption better than Wild Wild West. A lot of Movies these days are based on Games and Anime.Dead Space is much better than Alien Vs Predator. I prefer BattleField, Killzone and COD rather than WOrld War Movies -_- . HALO and Mass effect is much better than mars attack . And last but not the least, Joel Will sweep the Oscar's Best Actor Award if He is Real. There is so many to mention but These is enough for me to explain.

These is my response to Both of You.
"The Problem With Movie is there is No Controller"
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chestnut1122  +   368d ago
Oh f_ck. Satire. Bullsh_t Site. It burst out my disappointment with those mocking remarks -_-. Ignore my post.

Edit: Still they insult The Video Game Industry in these article so it serves them right -_- http://n4g.com/news/1281368...
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Nexus38  +   368d ago
Uncharted is great but indiana jones is on a whole other level. their classics, also this article is just more fake rubbish anyway
megalonagyix  +   368d ago
Retard found.
spaceg0st  +   368d ago
who approves these bullsh*t satire articles. what a waste of time. users who approve these articles should have their powers taken away
admiralvic  +   368d ago
This or they should have their own tag / [Satire] in the title like reviews have site names.

Half of the people on this site don't read the actual post, they just read the statement that games aren't art and go from there. On a high note, at least that means those idiots aren't getting clicks.
jcnba28  +   368d ago
Games are 100% art.
rataranian  +   368d ago
F the both of these two ass holes!
CrossingEden  +   368d ago
its a satirical article people, you can stop raging and foaming at the mouth now
fsfsxii  +   368d ago
You could just say its a satirical article. No need to be a douche.
gamepard  +   368d ago
..neither their movies...
pr0t0typeknuckles  +   368d ago
Until I read satire,i was gonna be pissed,heck I had a crap ton of games to show for how games are art,and have better stories than those guys movies.
Sketchy_Galore  +   368d ago
You can say we need to read past the title and understand that the article is satire but there comes a point when you're no longer joking around and are just making up controversial sounding titles for hits. If I start submitting my blog posts with titles like, 'The last of us glitch will break your PS3' it doesn't matter if the actual article is a crazy wacky joke about how monkeys fly out of Joel's anus and into your living room to tear your console to pieces, I'm still being an ass by purposefully posting a made up provocative title.
Shad0wRunner  +   368d ago
Satire or not...Steven and Lucas really do feel that way, about gaming.

They claim that a video game cannot get the player "emotionally involved" or invested into the experience, in the same way a film can.

I disagree with this entirely. Heavy Rain was a perfect example of how the player gets sucked into the story, becomes attached to the characters and develops a strong emotional bond with them. It even made you sympathize for the bad guy. Quantic Dreams is proof that video games can compete with the film industry as art. Im sure David Cage would agree.
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Pintheshadows  +   368d ago
I think they can get you more emotionally involved than a film ever can. You are in the game. You are experiencing it as the protagonist.
bocajbee  +   368d ago
They obviously haven't seen The Last of Us.
Sketchy_Galore  +   368d ago
The funny thing about that is, if you watch a documentary named Easy riders, Raging bulls, it makes a pretty good case of explaining how Star Wars killed off the more personal, socially relevant storytelling pictures that had emerged in the mid to late sixties and refocused the film industry on high budget B movie action and adventure flicks.

Even before that whole wave of personal honest films the big blockbusters people went to see were usually the plot heavy epics such as Gone with the wind. The space adventure and treasure hunting flicks Star Wars and Indiana Jones were based on were the B movies, the light, easy to digest shorts before the main attraction.

I like Star Wars for what it is but the negative effect it's huge success had on the American movie industry cannot be denied. It's pretty much the main reason most high budget movies are based around explosions and merchandising and probably by extension the reason the games industry followed the same business model.
linkenski  +   368d ago
Lucas and Spielberg are old and they should be the last to define gaming. Spielberg, we haven't forgotten about E.T. and Lucas... you've been ruining your own movies since you made Han Solo dodge the shot.
MasterCornholio  +   368d ago
OKAmi?

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Smoey  +   368d ago
/Yawn.
"Works produced by such skill and imagination"

Pretty sure games do not make themselves.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   368d ago
Here's a video of Spielberg praising one of the worst games ever made.

Nuff said!

http://youtu.be/zrB9TFnqWhM

Related video
d_dogg2007  +   368d ago
Games are not art...buttttt i'll gladly take that nice check Microsoft gave me to make that Halo TV series do!!
Spurg  +   368d ago
...making a TV show not a game....what you point anyways.
d_dogg2007  +   368d ago
That's inspired from a game! So if TV is art, what's a show inspired from a game then??
andibandit  +   368d ago
The artists creates the art, dosn't matter what inspired him, heck i've seen art inspired by Dog Poop....so whats your point?
d_dogg2007  +   367d ago
My point is that it's hypocritical of them to insult the medium when they are doing a TV show of it and getting paid to do it! Learn to read you idiot!
AnimeAvenger  +   368d ago
Isn't this old? I swear I remember reading this a long time ago.
CrossingEden  +   368d ago
from these comments you can definitely tell who actually reads the article and who just reads the title smh, people really need to stop taking themselves and gaming so seriously these days
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Genuine-User  +   368d ago
Journey disagrees.
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coolasj  +   368d ago
Oh god. I just realized this is s satire. A very bad one at that.
Moncole  +   368d ago
Why do people care what they say?
kingmushroom  +   368d ago
i don't, no one should
contradictory  +   368d ago
for the record i don't either.
this reminds me of something i heard from a wise gamer really long ago...

"everyone loves games, except old people.
but it doesn't matter, we don't care what they say in the first place"

that's rough translation of what she said haha
OcelotRigz  +   368d ago
Whats with all the stupid satire crap these days?
Spurg  +   368d ago
They make a fair point...when the controller is given to you its a different experience from watching a cutscene. Your mind is into shooting the bad guys...a different mode as when you were interested the cutscene. It like you're connected in the story for a while but then disconnected once you're controlling the character. There are several times in Last of us I have been disconnected with the story and that during the gameplay where i'm killing 100s of men with bricks. But I'm caring about the character much more during the cutscenes which is where last of us really prevails.

But games like The Walking dead and moments when the player talks in game sort of contradicts that.

And people need to stop being immature assholes but dissing their movies.
Eyeco  +   368d ago
"Boom Blox was intended to be a moving story about a man who suffers from the untimely death of his wife, and who has to reconcile himself with the idea of love..."

LOL what, I don't even..
Spurg  +   368d ago
Keyword is INTENDED....it failed because it was hard for Spielberg to engage the player into the story and gameplay.
Pintheshadows  +   368d ago
Slags of games. Making a Halo TV show. Spielberg, you are a fool.
M1chl  +   368d ago
Who cares about these oldtimers? They made awesome movies, but that was some time ago and they clearly just saying some popular things and I bet they never played any game, maybe aside from angry birds and other "quality titles"...
Foxgod  +   368d ago
If movies are art, then games are art, both of them share many of the same software tools to create them.
windblowsagain  +   368d ago
Go to say foxgod i totally agree.

Alot of big budget films have so much CGI in them, but it has to add to the actual movie. Take Avengers. It has good actors, decent story and excellent cgi.

For me Uncharted has those as well. (my fav ip)

But there are so many films that don't have any CGI that are fantastic.

It should only be used, if that part of the movie cannot be done without it imo.
kostchtchie_  +   368d ago
probably why there films are garbage now days, haven't got clue really, and that is funny considering most them are all CGI computer generated ha ha
ion666  +   368d ago
if someone thought it up,took time to draw it with there hands. with tools.like a camera,pencils , and paint or a computer etc. it is ART !!!
Locknuts  +   368d ago
I'm so glad games aren't art. Art is clever, but boring.
i came to comment rage, then i saw comments
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