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If Valve's Steam Policies Get Challenged In Court Gamers Could Resale Their Games, Says VZBV

Gaming Blend "According to the Verbraucherzentrale Bundesverband e.V., representative Eva Hoffschulte, speaking on behalf of the Federation of German Consumer Organisations and executive director Gerd Billen, the consumer rights advocacy group is trying to pursue the matter in court and they believe that things will get underway later this year."

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DigitalAnalog1433d ago

If we are allowed to "resale" our game then the value of DD is changed significantly. As such, Steam sales would be the first to go as it is the main reason why so many feel comfortable purchasing a non-tradable copy.

NioRide1433d ago

Exactly, used games come up we actually lose out more so then we do win.

When I'm paying 75% off of a title, And picking up games for 5$ vs 30+ I hope to never see steam get marked for used.

Anon19741432d ago

I have no idea why people are just assuming sales would go. We have a used game market with physical software. Do games never go on sale as a result? Of course not.

The fact of the matter is the EU has ruled already on this matter last year. Companies can't block the transfer of online, digital content from one user to another. Those licenses as of last year are transferable.

It'll take the industry time to adapt, but if they don't facilitate the transfer of licenses from one user to another themselves, someone else will come along and figure out a way and they'll be left out. Best to get in front of this legislation and take control of license transfer themselves. The court's have already ruled on the matter in the EU. Now why that means nothing would ever go on sale is beyond me.

DigitalAnalog1432d ago

The thing is with DD is how would Steam itself would compete with scalpers. This isn't like a "used" sale where clearly the physical product is being used. Here the DD code is EXACTLY the same.

E.G. XX game gets 9.99 Scalper compete's with a lower price. How is steam going to gain profit from that?

CRAIG6671432d ago

Dude you REALLY haven't though that through...

jimmywolf1432d ago

@DigitalAnalog

steam would not have too compete, it earned off the selling the game, then it earn again by charging a seller fee.

similar too how cards work, now i would not be surprised, if cards are a beta prototype for used games.

if you go to the market in steam, to buy a card. it show vales cut %5 an developers cut %10

cyguration1432d ago

@DigitalAnalog

Jimmywolf is right. The trading cards is pretty much the same as selling games and they sell for pretty cheap with Valve getting a cut.

If anything, trades would facilitate Valve to make even more money given that people would only be able to sell games after they buy them and then Valve would get a cut per every priced trade.

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badz1491432d ago

what I don't understand is why people are bringing physical item rights into its digital counterpart? why would suddenly people think that it's necessary for them to be able to resell digital products?

trading in physical copies are not just the content itself but the condition of the disc itself too. try having a big scratch on your disc and see if you can sell it anywhere. you can't because the scratch devalued the item even if the game runs fine! the ability to resell depends on the disc first and the rest, second!

with digital media, how will reselling work? games are installed into your HDD!

1. take away your game key? pfft...it's not like there aren't enough cracks available for free out there. so you get some of your money back and still retain the game, very smart!

2. send a virus to corrupt the install data? yeah...that will go down just great! /s

3. take away your HDD? how? using FBI?

DRM will be a headache if reselling of digital contents is allowed. why chose to go digital if you've known that there will be no reselling?? oohh...I know, those sales are crazy, right? so...you gain some, it's just natural you'll be losing some too! plus, how much do you want back for games you bought for $5? a dollar?

Conzul1432d ago

just because you don't know how it can be done, doesn't mean it can't be done.

Steam will adapt, and everyone will be praising its aptitude once again.

Gigaguy7771432d ago

Easy, since it's through Steam, it will delete all of that game's content from your Hard Drive, remove the game from your library, and remove anything else that would allow you to get the game back without buying it again.

NioRide1432d ago (Edited 1432d ago )

Except people use fake codes on steam, and not just every now and again.

Dirt 3 had a massive wave of some 50k fake keygened keys hit the market.

Anon19741432d ago

"Why would suddenly people think that it's necessary for them to be able to resell digital products?"

That's the law now, according to the EU. Software or digital licenses are allowed to be resold now. Prior to this it was usually worked into the End User's Agreement that when you purchased a license to a piece of software, it was non-transferable. The EU courts have ruled on this now and said "not so fast".

So while they didn't go so far as to mandate that a company must setup the means with which to transfer licenses, they can't block the transfer of licenses from one individual to another like they were trying to do with their agreements.

Stricter DRM is the only way I can see them making this possible to comply with the court ruling. They don't expect the industry to turn on a dime and commit to this overnight, but unless this ruling is overturned, what choice does the industry have?

I have no doubt Sony and Microsoft will also at some point unveil a system for transferring licenses for digital media. Microsoft already said they had a system lined up for trading games online. No doubt this was in part to take away from used game sales and pocket that money themselves, part to keep them in compliance with the laws in Europe. Of course, we know they had to back away from their all encompassing DRM plans, but there's no reason they can't still do an online market for digital only games.

I have no idea what Sony's going to do to become compliant with these recent legal changes. Or Nintendo for that matter. Or if they'll just encompass the EU or if they'll roll out whatever their new marketplace will be worldwide.

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3-4-51432d ago

It's not a bad idea totally. We could sell off some of those games we bought that we may never play or that ended up not being what we thought they were, or as good as we hoped.

To keep people from profiting all you would have to do is make it so you can only sell your game for 85% of what you originally paid for it.

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Fireseed1433d ago

And we haven't yet because they approach DRM in a responsible and consumer friendly way.

CRAIG6671432d ago

People HATED Steam when it first arrived,it was the DEVIL, just as much as people hated xbox one's initial DRM framework, but people have come round because the benefits are so great, not to mention the convenience...

I for one couldn't care less about selling my steam games anyway, I like to have my games collection available just in-case.

khan_saab1433d ago

being able to re sell your steam items is a good thing people. it goes into the core belief that once you buy something, you own it.some of you may not like it because you speculate that things are going to cost more. I ask, is the possibility of losing deals ( which i believe won't happen) worth denying someone their right to as they wish with their property? if we can gain the legal ability to do as we want with our online content then i believe it is a matter of time before we see the end of DRM as they go hand in hand.

NioRide1433d ago (Edited 1433d ago )

While true the problem is, people could buy a game for a fraction of the price on a steam sale, then turn around and sell the game at retail a few days later.

In the end, steam probably would remove the sales all together.

So we will end up losing far more than gaining.

sourav931433d ago (Edited 1433d ago )

Maybe they could make the resell conditions in such a way that you will receive half of what you paid for it. Perhaps that could work. Though tbh, I'm completely happy with the way steam works now, but I won't say no to the idea of being able to resell my games. Of course, if they remove features/deals just like what MS did with the DRM,then I'd rather things stay the same.

jimmywolf1432d ago

@NioRide
simple supply an demand, what your saying can be done now, with little effort. buy said game on sell as a gift, an wait too sell it ....

@sourav93
free market is fine, their wont be one seller. just like with the cards, everyone wanting too sell, will drive down the price. also they would be a % cost, that goes too vale an the developers, so everyone profits.

NioRide1432d ago

Yes it can be done now, But this is entirely different.

This is activating a game, playing it and then turning around and selling it to someone.

This will pretty much make steam sales vanish all together.

s45gr321433d ago

Is it not possible to have both (able to resell say steam games, trade, and buy used plus keep the deals), it's our legal right to resell and trade say products along with buying used products.

NioRide1433d ago

Its not our legal right to get sales though.

Adding in used games means we will no longer have the option to get deals.

Also selling illegal keys, stolen keys, and key generated keys will be a huge problem.

And in truth, we own nothing, if you read your manuals that come with games and user agreements, we pay for a right to use the product. We actually don't own anything.

awi59511433d ago

Im sorry games dont get special protection movies,music,cars have to do the same thing. Just make a better product people want to keep and stop making crap games.

WeAreLegion1433d ago

No. They show us respect. We need to show them respect.

FlyingFoxy1433d ago (Edited 1433d ago )

Prices of good games will go up, prices of shit games will fall like a rock because everyone won't buy or will sell them.

But.. i like the thought of being able to sell games, even if for half the retail price, i want to get rid of dead island and it's sitting in my steam games.. ugh that game's not a patch on l4d 1/2 or Killing Floor.

spartanlemur1433d ago (Edited 1433d ago )

The relative price of MMO's will go up, as they are not for resale. Also, games like Bioshock which are awesome but not very replayable will be heavily resold, and so will become unprofitable to release on PC. I suppose replayable single-player games like Skyrim will be less affected, but there are very good shorter games which will suffer.

This will help F2P, MMO's and other types of online multiplayer games, but is going to cripple single-player games out of existence.

This is sad for single-player lovers like myself but I suppose good news for those more interested in MP experiences. I just hope it doesn't rear its ugly head in the UK.

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