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Let’s Stop Pretending the Kinect Is A Gaming Device

SlashGear - When I look around the technology space, I can’t think of any single product that is so poorly associated with another device than Microsoft’s Kinect. The sensor, which is supposedly designed with gamers in mind, actually delivers very little value to gamers nowadays. In fact, the Kinect is designed for computers and entertainment – gaming is an afterthought.

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nick3091162d ago

I want kinect for its voice control, pretty much... Ill probably use it for skype and such as well.

iconic561162d ago

Exactly, I feel like if the voice recognition is spot on, it could truly replace your controller, and I'm hoping the camera is everything they say it'll be, but we'll have to wait and see.

But the goal with voice recognition should be to make it as conversational as possible. We should get away from having to say activation phrases, such as Xbox Snap Skype... anything should be recognizable as long as you speak to Xbox.. such as "Xbox, who's on Skype?" "Xbox, launch Skype" or whatever iteration... and if they're touting the cloud as an integral part of the Xbox experience, there shouldn't be a reason why their cloud computing couldn't process and analyze our dialogue with it to make for a more flexible and natural conversation with the Xbox.

Sorry, that was wordy.

JokesOnYou1162d ago (Edited 1162d ago )

Wow, iconic seems you want alot....I mean its still fairly new product (2nd version) and despite all it can do you say we shouldn't need activation phrases, uhmm easy for you to say but try programing something like that which basicly means they would have to design the whole system to "interpret" literally everything that millions of different folks might say, instead of "recognize" under 100 key phrases.

Also you clearly don't understand how cloud computing works with the X1, I'm no expert but from all my reading it only offloads tasks that can be processed in the background to speed up GP or CPU-heavy chores that aren't dependent on latency -- like lighting or cloth dynamics -- by pre-calculating them before applying them to a scene.  Its not used beforehand with Kinect to process process language.

Nothing personal but you have to remember where we are, kinect is doing some complicated things that no other console device can so its sort of loke saying "yeah I'm glad the Dreamcast can play online but why can't I set up parties, buy content, cross game chat, etc. Well because they weren't there yet.

Godlovesgamers1162d ago

@JokesOnYou

I think its funny how you try to come across as a pseudo-programmer in you explanation about Kinect.

I guess the joke really is on us.

fossilfern1162d ago

Why do people think you need a device like this to do voice commands ? This can easily done by a stand alone mic! Have people forgotten about being able to play Rainbow 6 on the original Xbox with voice commands?

JessiePinkmanYo1162d ago

Iconic56-Just curious...how can the Kinect fully replace the controller in Battlefield or Call of Duty? What motion games out there (Kinect, Wii OR Eyetoy) ever became huge hits to where people no longer use the traditional controller? Changing channels with my voice maybe cool looking to my Grandma, but it's a gimmick. Next time you're in Walmart, have a look at all the shovel ware produced for the Wii and ask yourself if you'd want to play them. Wii was also WAY cheaper than the X1 will be, and I just don't see the casual crowd (who the motion gimmick is aimed at) forking over $499 vs the Wiis original $199 price, ESPECIALLY in this economy.
Sorry man, I just don't see motion controls taking over the traditional controller

xHeavYx1162d ago

Am I the only one who would feel weird by yelling at the TV? Just wait till you have a party or something with a bunch of bratty kids around

JokesOnYou1162d ago

Godlovesgamers lol, how does my statement imply Im trying to be anything? I said hes asking for alot and that I read about how Kinect works therefore cloud wouldnt pertain to how iconic described using it. DO you have anything to add or are you just bored?

nukeitall1162d ago

@iconic56:

Natural speech is actually very hard to decipher. In fact, even when you have pure text as in what is available on the internet, computers still interpret it wrong.

Just ask Google, who is pioneering natural speech recognition (when the content is 100% correct) in their world class product, *Google search engine*! Does Google get stuff wrong? You betcha, and all the freaking time.

In fact, pre-kinect there weren't even a mass consumer device that could do speech recognition as well as Kinect, let alone natural speech.

Apple and Google both tried it, and guess what still not very good.

Even right now, in terms of accuracy, MS is at the forefront, so I think there will be a long while before we get quality natural speech recognition.

That said, MS already said Kinect voice will be much more natural so we will see. Short phrases like you mentioned should be possible.

iconic561162d ago

@JokesOnYou
I get what you're saying. I'm not really saying I expect as much, I'm just saying this should be the goal. On cloud processing language- If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Siri and Galaxy both use their respective clouds to process what voice commands we say and then sends back data accordingly? But sure, I'm just being idealistic here.

@fossilfern
Good point... but there's a great illusion of a connected living room when you can simply walk into it and say "Xbox on. Watch TV" or "Xbox bing showtimes"... it's just a nice feature... or gimmick, depends on how you look at it.

@JessiePinkmanYo
Hey. First of all... JessiePinkman is the bomb. Love Breaking Bad. I totally agree with you. I didn't mean to suggest that voice control would take over as the main proponent to playing games. I personally wouldn't prefer anything over a controller. I meant to imply outside of gaming, we could navigate the Xbox solely on voice control, from web browsing, renting movies, to skyping or watching tv.

@nukeitall
Good point. Google is very much pioneering the future of voice recognition. I wasn't suggesting that Xbox is ahead of the curve or will be, but that they should strive to be on par with the best because I'm fairly impressed with where Siri, Google, and Galaxy are headed. I would just like that same experience (if not better) in my living room with my Xbox.

Thanks for the responses! Good chat.

Nicaragua1162d ago

@nukeitall

Kinect is not a speech recognition device, thats all handled by software and it would work just as well using any other microphone.

And many games pre kinect did speech recognition just as well, there is nothing particulary special about it.

UltimateMaster1162d ago

With the Nightvisions on it, the voice recognition, the facial reconstruction and the heart beat monitor.
It looks more like a piece of military device than a gaming device..

sAVAge_bEaST1162d ago

^^iconic^^ironic^^

I can't wait for the day, that the kinect is the on;y thing i talk to.,

nukeitall1161d ago

@Nicaragua:

"Kinect is not a speech recognition device, thats all handled by software and it would work just as well using any other microphone.

And many games pre kinect did speech recognition just as well, there is nothing particulary special about it."

The fact that you say "pre kinect just as well" is a good indication you are lying.

Kinect speech technology is some of the best, and yes it is advanced hardware in addition to the software.

It's like saying, PS3/PS4 is PC, because both play games. Clearly they are not!

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Themba761162d ago

you know ps4 eye does the same thing as well but unlike x1 the eye is an option kinect isn't

HammadTheBeast1162d ago

I disagree, PS Eye isn't trying to be like Kinect. Kinect is a major part of XB1 as an entertainment device, but PS Eye is an add-on.

Also, Kinect does what a lot of smart phones do.

In my opinion, it's useless, but I can see how some people may be attracted to the idea.

theWB271162d ago

No it doesn't. A little research would alleviate your mis-information.

Manic20141162d ago

There is a huge difference between the kinect 2.0 and PS Eye for PS4.

Thomper1162d ago

Hmmmm... Sony obviously see's the potential of K2, but they just produced a more lacklustre version of it, and it will not be supported as much.

I have no problem with K2. It is obviously a very cool piece of tech. Let's hope they realise it's potential

nukeitall1162d ago

PS Eye 3.0 pales in comparison to Kinect One.

MS is now the pioneer of 3D depth camera. The only other company well known in this space is PrimeSense which is rumored to be bought up by Apple and their technology was used in the first Kinect.

Only a company like MS can really push Kinect, because their R&D is humongous and spans ridiculous number of disciplines.

Sony uses two optical cameras to determine depth, which is pretty rudimentary. That is why you haven't even seen it demoed. It would probably just be embarrasing.

Then again, Sony might just find themselves in the receiving end of a lawsuit. MS license technology from PrimeSense despite Kinect One being developed 100% in-house while owning a lot of patents. Sony doesn't, so lawsuite from MS and PrimeSense is a huge risk.

torchic1162d ago

@nuke

you're a pathetic troll.

Sony (in fact you can throw Apple, Samsung & Google into the equation) don't push their engineers to work on Kinect 2 level technology because they feel it's not worth it; it's a gimmick and nothing more.

the moment Kinect 2 starts making Microsoft a very handsome profit on a yearly basis expect the above mentioned companies to release their own, most likely better versions of Kinect.

Urusernamesucks1162d ago

^^Trolchi get back to your pokebal lol.

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BulletToothtony1162d ago

There have beenTVs with voice control for a while now, as well as the new Xfinity box, my bravia also has Skype so none of that stuff is per say new but I do understand where you're coming from. It's nice to have it in one box, you really have to figure out how often you're gonna use it thou and exactly how well it's gonna work out.

I don't understand how an xbox would control my cable box that is only HDMI 1.2 which means I can't change channels with another box. That can only be done with HDMI 1.3 so make sure you do your research, otherwise you may be disappointed.

Thomper1162d ago

I see where you are coming from, but it's like comparing the voice system in a ford Fiesta to the one in my Audi.

You can't compare them.

I have 3 smart tv's but none of them will touch the performance of the K2

nukeitall1162d ago

@BulletToothtony:

That is like comparing playing CoD on an iPhone and a console! Totally not the same!

The quality of the integration and the ease of use is extremely important. MS solution is an extremely easy to use an all in one device.

Whereas most SmartTVs have terrible integration with a terrible experience.

Ever tried using the slow @ss, low quality Netflix app in SmartTVs?

Even the video gets all grainy, because TV manufacturers use cheapest chips they can get. It is frustrating experience to say the least. I use Netflix exclusively on my console now. The closets you get is a Roku or Apple TV, but still not as good.

bessy671162d ago

Why does N4G even allow these trollbait "articles"?

InTheLab1162d ago

How is it troll bait? Author says its worthless for gaming but great for tv entertainment and pc applications.

A quick glance at kinect's metascores proves his point.

Look at Ryse. Why is it a controller game now? Even MS knows its not for gamers.

B1uBurneR1162d ago

Same here voice command is used 98% of the time in my house . If I'm watching something and have to go to another room and take longer than expected I just books out Xbox pause .. my show/movie pause .. no hands ... priceless..

NegativeCreepWA1162d ago

The only thing I've really used it for is pausing and playing movies, also.

blackmanone1162d ago (Edited 1162d ago )

Seriously, though, guys. Have we become so lazy that merely hitting on a button a remote needs a replacement?

NegativeCreepWA1162d ago (Edited 1162d ago )

It's convenient, there's nothing wrong with that, has nothing to do with being lazy.

Yet, the haters are too lazy to get off the sofa and play a game on Kinect.

Sitdown1162d ago

@blackmanone
Have we become so lazy that we need to drive instead of walk? Use a remote instead of turning from the TV or cable box? Use a drive through car wash instead of by hand? Stop at a fast food joint instead of going home and cook? Use a headset instead of just holding your phone? Etc... It's not always about being lazy, but being convenient and often times allowing more efficient use of time. If I am holding my son or multitasking, it's easier to speak a command versus taking time to search which seat the remote has fallen between.

phinch1162d ago

except its not pricless, its the reason its $100 more expensive, $100 well spent!

D-riders1162d ago (Edited 1162d ago )

yes lets stop pretending. I have said it numerous times that ms is missing the market,attempting to sell this as a gaming device.

super_cuddles1162d ago

"Xbox - play ghosts" , money well spent

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