OnlySP: For this Friday night rant we'll just cut right through the internet bull and get to the console's top 4 features and what they mean for prospective consumers.
The "truth" is, we don't know the truth. Only Microsoft does and that is scary. Judging from their past and recent history, for me itnis hard to believe that all they say will actually happen as they say, same thing happen with kinect and with the snap mode they already said it won't work with their "AAA" games, just like that without any explanation of why this or why that, just like they've been doing since the XBone reveal announcement and that's just a couple of things that we know, to think about what we don't know is worrying. Honestly, I don't expect anything good or consumer friendly coming from an Xbox or anything Microsoft related at this point anymore.
Why are so many Sony fans conspiracy theorists?
...because people HATE second guessing their big purchases. It's easier to spew hate towards the competitor, than to appreciate the competition (which advances the products). And as i've learned over the years, at least according to users on n4g, most gamers are whiny bitches who lack common sense. Both consoles have their pros and cons, buy accordingly.
It's Microsoft's own fault. It is not conspiracy theories, it's they way they do things. It is how they sold you a 360 knowing that it had problems, it is how the overcharge you for their peripherals, HDDs, wifi adapters, fake showings lkke with kinect back with the 360 and now with the XB1(already known it was all scripted and nothing was happening in real time) , bullshots, the way they wanted to implement DRM in a f***-the-consumer way, taking our gaming rights away just to make even more money out of us. The way they communicate with their fanbase not giving a damn. And before someone comes with the "they listened to their costumers" bs, remember they reversed the whole thing because people were not giving them their money with pre-orders. All I've stated here are facts, nothing made up, no conspiracy theories. I was so ready to buy an XB1, I watched their reveal with a couple of friends who only game on xbox, then the whole "TV TV TV TV SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS COD COD COD" made me think twice, then the DRM rumours ended up being all true, then the way they talked and reacted to about it to us, not giving a f***, and later the "we listen to our consumers" BS popped up and they just expect me to bend over like that...NO THANKS!
Because Microsoft doesn't exactly have the best track record, for a lot of the same reasons that Insomnia_84 has already listed and for some that he didn't? And because of that track record, they're not the easiest to trust?
Freaking Jesus! Sony aren't holy innocent saints either!! Over charging of vita SD cards, the arrogant "get a new job" and "next gen starts when we say so" in the ps3 launch. The psn hack which took them a while before they told us that the psn is getting hacked. Being the ONLY company out of the three who included online passes to their exclusives.
Dark Hollow, that kind of statement will get you in trouble here.... Clearly everything you said did not happen in the history that was conveniently rewritten. Sony are angels sent from heaven to save gamers and have no interest in ever making money. Its not like PS4 is there last chance and therefore they must suck up and do everything needed to sell....
Be careful, lest the Eye of Cerny gaze upon you from Mordor. On this site, there can be no escaping the wrath of his SPonies.
Because they are afraid, and therefor spreading FUD. Just look at the comment intended to scare the sheeps!
@spacegh0st "Both consoles have their pros and cons" Name the pros of the Xbox One please?
@Gman: No, Sony is far from being angels but at least they tried to right their wrongs. Sony admitted they were wrong and have changed, MS can't even bring themselves to say they screwed up DRM and always online. Nobodies perfect but I've seen more effort from Sony to appease their fans from past and present mistakes than from MS. This is one of my main reasons I refuse to support MS in any way, at least until they get their sh*t together.
@The_Infected 1. Excellent online gaming with xbox live 2. New experience with guaranteed 100% use of Kinect 2 3. Options of voice controlling TV (I want it) 4. Cloud computing for online games 5. Play as you download games 6. The idea that the kinect can sense my emotions and adapt the game play in the future 7. Snapping apps against a movie or game, brilliant There are 7 pro's for me.
@ jaces, yes I remember, immediately after PS3 was launched, Sony tried to change, not years later like MS.... Again rewritten history. X1 has not launched yet, but maybe MS will set things straight. It took Sony years to get it right with PS3 right? Only after the PSN hack did they hold their heads in shame... MS did the same with Rrod, admitted screw up and extended warranty for 3 years. I had 3 Rrod, never paid for ny, got 3 controllers and 4 new games.... Evil Bastards.... Psn went down for a month, then had to sign a Eula waiving any rights I have.... Angels.... You see nobody are what they seem...
Gman: Think RRoD was more of a slap in the face than the hack, that and it took them how long to fix it and how long did they deny anything was wrong? RRoD cost people more money than a hack ever could have, guarantee you others weren't so lucky like you. Oh, and it was never stated that Sony apologized from the get go, it was over a period of time...just like how I expect MS to be. Brand loyalty is fun eh? All these evil corporations turning us against each other, love it.
True, the Xbox One sucks, nobody knows if they will re-patch the DRM because they can do so at any time. Which I'm 88% sure they will, otherwise, they wouldn't force you to download a Day One Patch, it would be in the console itself. Seriously, do you think they've made That many console from the time they announced the console from the time they changed their minds about DRM? Said as an excuse:"Oh, you'd have to download a Patch, because of time constraint between now and when the console launches." Bull Sh**, Sony will be able to produce at least 1 million units/month. The first time Microsoft launched the 360, they launched with 250 000 units. (All of them are dead broken from RRODs, another article confirmed that) Don't give me that BS that you can't have the Xbox One without that day one patch, it's just a gimmick to return people to DRM later in the console's life cycle. Same thing with Forza Motorsport 5, you have to download a Day One Patch as well. Sorry, but, every other third party games don't forces you to download a patch, so what's the deal with this? @Gekko, you're trying to find reasons why people should buy the Xbox One. 1-Nothing that the PS4 won't have. Gaikai will offer streaming of games and sharing your games with others online, 2 things the PS4 has that the Xbox One won't. Granted there's 1 thing the Xbox One will have that the PS4 won't, Commercial Adds... 2-They would need to actually use the kinect, doesn't mean that's it's included that they will use it. The only thing I see that they'll use it for is the Voice Recognition, something the PS4 will also have. (Check out Amazon PS4 Eye) the Kinect more like an all-or-nothing deal, either you use it or you don't. Just imagine, you're in your living room, you have both hands on the controller. How are you going to use the kinect at the same time? You've have to drop your controller to make a kinect move and then take back your controller. I'm not an Octopus, I don't have 8 arms... 3-Included with the PS4, FYI, they are working of a voice remote control for Netflix, exclusively. 4-What do you think Gaikai is? It's their new Cloud Service, the previous one on the PS3 was the PS Home since 2008. Gaikai will allow backward compatibility, so if you've missed out on past great games, you'd have the chance to play the awesome exclusives of the PS3. Allowing people not just to watch your games online, but also allow your friends to play them as well. 5-Something the PS4 announced at their reveal... 6-...is kinda creepy to say the least. 7-You're gonna have a hard time playing your Blu-Ray disc Movie while playing with your Game disc... switching apps instantly.. oh, you mean like the PS3? the Vita? Yeah...it's a possibility.
Why are so many Microsoft fans naive sheep?
^^^ because they are fanboys
Right... I would love to rewind five years and see what would happen if someone said that MS was aware of heat/RROD issues prior to the 360 launch. I imagine many responses would go something like this: "Why are so many Sony fans conspiracy theorists?"
I'll agree with Dark-Hollow on the Ps Vita Cards. Those memory cards are a huge chunk of money, they need to more 40% of their current price, if not more. But don't forget, that Microsoft has become much worst over the years. They are bluntly Greedy and that's why there isn't a lot of people who still wants a Xbox One. And yes, is the Vita selling well now? No, it isn't, and the cost of the Memory Cards is one of the main reasons why. The second is it's Price. Not everyone wants to pay the 250$ for it. I've seen them at Walmart for 200$, that's great, they need to have a less expensive model, without the OLED, just LCD/LED instead, just that would drop the price by 50$. And yes, we do complain, we complain about everything that's total BS. No fanboy here.
Hate, guess you have been missing what Microsoft have been trying to do, and have done, but then blind diehard fan boys like you always do
@georgenoob why are you an idiot?
X1 has some great features. Sony should gain a lot of traction early because of the low price and the huge amount of negative chatter around the X1. But M$ can defuse some of that if they focus on what is unique about the system and show the features in action. One of my sister in-laws asked me about X1 yesterday. Her son wanted her to get a 360 with Kinect last year to replace the wii. I told them to wait for this year as a new system will be out. She has been hearing some of the chatter and knows about the PS4. She doesn't care if the graphics are a bit better, she thinks the Kinect, Skype and internet would allow the girls and herself to get some time with it too. I have a feeling M$ is still fine tuning some Kinect stuff. They were not ready to show Kinect off just yet. They want it all working as impressively as it can before showing, but I will been shown soon and then a lot before the holidays.
Skype will be on ps4 as well and any other device that can run it (ps vita, cell phones, lap tops), it is not a big deal, unless they make it exclusive to certain devices.
Xbox 360 and ps3 owner here I was early adopter of xbox360 so I got RRoD'd 3 times (2 warranty, 1 repurchase of an xbox arcade edition) so I am not keen on purchasing the first xboxone I actually think of Kinect as a negative, its what essentially killed xbox360 in the second part of generation for me, exclusives all went out the window for kinect titles. I miss having other exclusives besides the big 3. Xbox360 was my preferred console of choice the first half, but Ps3 has clearly taken over the second half for a gazillion reasons i wont wall of text here. essentially I am buying just the ps4 this year (will eventually get xboxone if that exclusive promise isn't mostly kinect games) because my problems with ps3 was directly addressed by sony (poor ports, lost multiplat battle, not as good small title/indie games available, and controller issues) does that make me a ps fanboy?
X1 its for girls Yup that about somes up the Microsoft fanbase
I too am a 360/PS3 owner Bought my 360 on launch day, 80-something days later, red ring (just made warranty). 2nd 360 lasts about almost a yr, RROD, just made warranty again. Long story short, im on my 5th 360 because of RROD (this one fortunately has lastest some years now). Got my PS3 on Nov of 07, never had a problem with it once I thought MS started going downhill since 2008, which was a little bit before Kinect. I thought they started going downhill because of no support for 1st party exclusives. And I could care less about the "wave your arms in the air, and wave'em like you just don't care" Kinect. For me Kinect is for kids (and retarded fanboys who will stick up for anything their beloved corporate master does). Right around the same time (08) is when Sony started getting their stride. But unlike you I don't have faith in MS, so unless they whip out some serious must have sh!t, I wont be getting one. Its just weak and expensive for my taste
Well, we certainly did not learn the "truth" from this article. It lists 4 points: 1. Snap Mode (allows you to instantly switch between games and tv. 2. Kinect (Yeah, this is what ever core gamer is looking forward to! /s) 3. The Cloud (This is more like MS trying to create hype and get around the fact that the PS4 has more power out of the box. The PS4 will also be able to use the "cloud." 4. MS is Rich (not really sure how this is relevant to the Xbox One... Because MS can buy "exclusives"? That is one of the things that hurt the 360 in terms of the number of real exclusives(99% were just timed). The PS3 had many more quality true exclusives and continues to push out new IPs at the end of this generation. Sony invested in its studios, unlike MS. This matters because, if history shows us anything, no matter what MS pays for out of the gate at launch, Sony will have more in the long term.)
Whenever the cloud is brought up, Sony fans always resort to "PS will have cloud too," but it really isn't that simple... First thing I want to address is the whole, "MS just brings up the cloud to make up for PS having better hardware," rant. Yes, this is likely a reason for bringing up the cloud, but not the only reason. Opponents of MS/xbox would like to think that MS is simply pulling at straws to try and find some "edge" over the PS4's superior hardware, but it likely is not some desperate cry for approval, like some of you would hope. Many of you seem to just want to shrug off MS's cloud technology like "big deal, so what," what Azure isn't just some scrub software program... MS's Azure is already established and has been used by many developers - it has already proven itself to be reputable software, and overall, devs love it. As far as scope, it is massive - it dwarfs Sony's recently obtained Gaikai. Furthermore, from what I have read, Sony's main goal (at least initially) with Gaiai, is for for streaming games, whereas MS's goals are more for allowing devs to utilize the power of the software and integrating into their games - essentially like a virtual software studio. I'm not saying that Azure will somehow "make up" for the xbox's lack in hardware power, but it can (and likely will) be able to deliver a much more enriching and satisfying play experience for the player, that the console alone could not. Of course much of this relies on the quality of ones internet connection, and that goes for both consoles. There's yet 2 other factors to consider - MS is primarily a software company and has poured around $10 billion into the software, whereas Sony is primarily a hardware company, and bought Gaikai for what - $380 million? So in addition to pouring boatloads of more money into the technology, Azure is also built in-house, whereas Sony simply purchased Gaikai - they didn't develop it. Although both Sony and MS feature cloud technologies, in many aspects it's like comparing apples to oranges, at least currently.
Yeah but Gaikai has made Guiness World Records, Azure hasnt. And Drivatars are lame and completely unimpressive, as is Redspawn's use of the cloud, dedicated servers. And doesnt Gaikai use Nvidia GRID? so Gaikai is dedicated to gaming and so is GRID. Azure is a service anyone can rent, it does all sorts of things. Whats gonna happen when to many clients rent Azure? how much of the clouds computing power will be left over for the X1? And how many servers do they really have? cuz we know that a bunch of that 300,000 number they spewed at E3 are virtualized servers (so not even real physical servers)
I hear the argument against Azure's size as well from PS fans, stating like you did about the 300,00 servers. However what I never hear from them is the size of Sony's Gaikai. If you want to bring up the point that Azure may not be big enough, or want to question the accuracy of it's claimed 300,000 servers, why do you and others, not seemed worried about Gaikai, because from what I've heard, Azure is much bigger than Gaikai, so if Azure's size and coverage area is questionable, I would be extra cautious of Gaikai's. Furthemore, where Gaikai using Nvidia GRID may be favorable, so is the fact that MS is dealing with software they developed. Not only is this favorable for tweaking and further changes to the software in the future (since they are dealing with their own software, not third party) it is also being used with xbox one, another MS product, which was likely designed to be utilized with the Azure software. This may not amount to anything, but is something to mention. I'm not claiming to be an expert on either of these technologies, and if someone is knowledgeable on them, please respond. I'm just going on things I've heard around the web.
Like you can trust Sony anymore than MS? What happened to the all important backward compatibility in PS3 for PS2 games? They axed it then re-released PS2 games on PS3 making the customers pay. Why is there no cross game chat for PSN on PS3? They said dual boot was important but scrapped it. They said multiplayer gaming should be free, but on PS4 they are now charging for it. They kept teasing Last Guardian, but where is it? They wanted people to trust their network, but ended up with a 3 week outage due to a complete hack down. They heralded PS Home as the future of social media, yet it does not get mentioned anymore. They heralded Move as the greatest controller since sliced bread yet they don't mention it when revealing PS4. Nor is it obviously successful otherwise it would've been a part of the PS4 package. I don't see much reason to trust Sony either.
A very poor attempt to on your part. I could give you an answer to every single "reason" you just wrote and make every single one of them invalid (as if they are valid to begin with) Try harder..... please.
I don't trust Sony either but they're not forcing a camera in my living room that watches everything.
@Insomnia_84 You have been trolling all over this article just defending Sony like anyone cares. This article is not for you so go suck Sony D someplace else. @Gamer666 Your right Sony was very arrogant at the beginning. I guess losing half the value of your company because of your terrible decisions will change your tune real fast. One last thing you forgot to add. Mark Cerny the Jesus for these Sony fans right now has been with the company this entire time, since the PS3 launched. Makes you think what he was doing all that time.
@mwjw696 while your right that everyone seems to be praising Cerny quite a bit (and mostly because we aren't used to someone sharing as much as he has) He is a GAME developer, brought in by Sony to be lead architect because they felt that they were ignoring the developers in the last gen. In a way he is also a symbol of Sony's new direction, and its working. As far as what hes been doing, hes actually been quite outspoken about what hes been doing this whole time, might want to give him a google. hint hint hes helped Sony on the games front for all three systems.
I love how a$$ backwards MS fanboys are. They always sit here and talk about how arrogant Sony is, when its MS who is being super arrogant, charging $500 for a technically inferior hardware and FORCING Kinect down everyones throat, so they can spy on you and know just what to advertise to you depending on their criteria. They very arrogantly thought that everyone would just like their draconian DRM policies and didn't back off/change their policies until they saw that it was going to cost them money/lose money. MS fanboys always wanna talk about how arrogant Sony is because of their "people should get another job if they cant afford the PS3" comment, but remember the PS3 was costing Sony between $800-$840 to make. And they couldn't afford to take a bigger hit on it, so they made what was more of a stupid comment rather than a arrogant one. Because people still considered the system to expensive. THOSE BASTARDS! HOW DARE THEM! Yet MS sold everybody the most defective system in console history (the 360), heck, in electronic history! And not one peep from MS fanboys, instead we got defense, denials and hatred towards the other side for pointing it out And nobody is worst or more arrogant than Aaron Greenberg from MS! if any Sony employee/representive had said anything even remotely close to some of the things Greenberg had said. The fanboys would have eaten him alive. Yet Greenberg got a pass from the very same people calling Sony arrogant. The only arrogant fvcks here are youse the MS fanboys and you corporate leader, MS. Going around acting like your technically inferior but more expensive consoles is somehow better. Oh and lets not forget how badly youse have all fallen for the cloud PR/marketing. Tell me that aint arrogance, for MS to have the audacity to make the claims it has, when everybody knows its bullsh!t (except for the hopeful, wishful, faithful, wish it was true so bad, sheep fanboys). Talk about arrogance!
@Insomnia_84 I would like to hear you invalidate those facts. @dantesparda... I wasn't being a fanboy, just pointing out that Sony is just as flawed as MS...
@ Gamer Ok, I get that, but why are people always trying to compare what Sony did in the past to what MS is doing NOW!
The reason that snapping won't work with some AAA games is because since they'll need more ram than some other games, the HyperV will allocate the ram dedicated to snapping and pool it with the rest of the ram.
I can snap between TV and videogames already, its called my input button. Webtv did this more than a decade ago as well. how many people here have ever heard of webtv? My dad bought one instead of computer, I was not pleased
and I'm getting downvotes why? @jrbeerman11 snapping can allow you to open up skype or other apps while you are in a game or doing something else
I actually had one for less than 30 days (webtv) the sh1t sucked, lol. But, i cant believe that fanboys think this "snapping" thing is something to get excited about. Pathetic really. Fanboys these days, they'll get excited about anything. And virtualization software? Oh boy, prepare for some subpar performance. Freaking suckers! You're getting downvoted for being a "elitist", im just kidding
Oh f#$ k off with your tired arguments. Buy a PS4 and stfu.
Hahaha what a fake jokster. Seriously, its A gaming console. You act like you need therapy now bc of it. Damn i hate little one sided fanboys. Both consolea will do great but really just follow your console of choice and STFU. No lies no made up/exagerated stories mkay? This goes to all fanboys of any side. PS ...DRM is the logical common sence future of gaming.
The truth is: It comes with the best launch lineup, so I will pick it up day one.
It does have the best launch lineup. That being said, I can't wait for the release dates for both systems because ill have them both day 1!
Both consoles as of right now have some pretty poor line up for exclusive launch titles. The only two I feel have some potential of being great games are RYSE and Killzone, the rest are uninspired and really not that interesting. I'd be getting both day one for sure though (hopefully)
You're missing an important phrase on your comment, it should have included "in my opinion", because your opinion isn't 'truth', it is highly subjective. Just FYI anyhow. :).
Why did I get some many dislikes... Honestly, the current confirmed launch titles in my opinion aren't very interesting and for the most part uninspired. Seriously, another round of first person modern shooters, a bunch of zombie games, another Infamous and Assassins Creed, a fighting game developed by Double Helix... Actually, Watch Dogs looks good, oh yeah, how could I not count the crap ton of sport games. Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings...
Lots Of butt hurt in this thread. Lots of it ..
@Electric-flamingo are you suggesting a link between Brand loyalty and gay sex? Queue Abba Music :p
Dude. Totally. In a way they DO go hand in hand. People are so busy defending their chosen company that they think cares about them, they don't even realize their getting fuc*ed in the ass by them at the same time.
@Electric-flamingo LOL Bit of a sweeping statement but it did make me laugh! Though gay sex is a bit of a leap for most gamers no matter how good it is :p
I got both paid for greatness awaits........me!
I don't care about the truth all i know is they tried to fck us! And i'm not buying one!
The way most people on here act, it seems that not only did they try, but they succeeded.
Probably the first time anything has tried to fuck you, you should rejoice!
Uncalled for Nocando, a little lazy, and reeking of butthurt.
Many ppl seem to forget that Sony planned DRM too but once they saw xbox one getting crucified because of it they backed out lol Sony aren't the Saints you think they are And before you guys try to deny and discredit my post you can google the article
It was just a rumor! And sony said they had no such plans.
Sony also said they did not plant DRM rootkits into 22 million peoples computers from Sony CDs back in 2007 but it was later proven in court and they were fined for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... I am a fan of Playstation but do not think that Sony as a company are totally against DRM when its proven what they think about it in the music industry.
Don't forget they are adding DRM to their new blue-rays now! http://www.digital-digest.c...
@dodo101 actually Sony admitted to it smh
Ps4 reveal was before the Xbox1. So how could they have changed their minds after they saw the ms backlash.
They didn't reveal all the details until their E3 presser, AFTER the Xbox presser. Their first reveal in February was just to introduce the system.
They said you could play used games like the ps3 back in feburary. People just got paranoid.
I have heard some devs say snap mode won't work while playing some games. Also not sure how useful this feature will be it how well it will work. Do you really want a portion of your screen while playing a game or watching a movie takin up by Twitter or Facebook. Kinect most people I know still would rather see ms take it out and cut the price. How many of you are enjoying your Kinect now? Because chances are if you don't like motion gaming you won't like it next gen either. MS cloud is used by companies that pay ms to use it for off site storage and processing, they will not give the bulk of that resource away. And since the system is not always online the games will probably not be effected very much by it. Do you think the games will look and work way better with the cloud than you think without it they won't be that good, ultimately making people without the internet or without Xbox live gold unhappy with their sub par games. MS is rich and they got that way by not throwing money away. So if it makes business sense to say alienate your core announce to try to appeal to non gamers they will. Look at the recent treatment of 360 no core games but plenty of crappy Kinect stuff to appeal to the casual market.