Sony proudly showed off its PlayStation 4 hardware for the first time at E3, and now we're getting a peek at what developers are working with this generation thanks to the FCC.
Is that clock speed taking into account all the extra stuff a dev kit needs to do or does it indicate the rumoured increase to 2ghz is possible? Shoot me down on this please. I'm totally at sea when it comes to tech. edit. From Gaf: 'Maximum theoretical radio emission frequency of all embedded radio devices (WLAN, bluetooh, etc.). It's a document for the FCC after all. Has nothing to do with silicon clock speeds.'
It still means nothing to me but I'm sure some of my tech savvy friends on here can clue me in. I will accept baby talk as a means of communicating the information, so feel free to patronise me.
There could be a lot of factors here. It is likely due to the processing overhead the development tools add. Such as debugging etc. The dev kit looks much larger than the final PS4 design, so they may be able to run the higher clock and deal with the greater amount of heat that generates. Sony may be playing it safe as they will be launching in territories where it is seasonally very hot - and that PS4 casing does look small. It could be that AMD could not guarantee the yields required at that clock speed, so went for the higher yield lower speed option. It might just be that Sony decided on a particular clock speed and that's what we're getting. The fact the dev kits have higher spec is not unusual (look at the spec of the PC's running many of the XBOne demos at E3 - they were significantly higher and some even ran on Nvidia GPU's instead of AMD). It is highly unlikely we'll see an increase in CPU speed before launch as Sony are likely to either have started production or close to ramping up assembly. However, if the clock speed is limited in BIOS they could in theory unlock it later with a firmware update - but I would be 99.9% certain that won't happen for a whole bunch of reasons - not least security.
Jdoki nailed it. It's the same thing as Microsoft using a PC for a demo at e3. At this point devs could be dealing with unfinished system software, and games and demos most likely run inside or alongside dev tools like debuggers and crash recovery. This really means nothing new for the final version of ps4 that the end user receives. Also, any software is still going to be designed for the final specs, not designed specifically for the higher clock of the devkit.
Could be AMD Turbo core tech in the Development kits. or AMD could have based PS4 APU CPU core design off of upcoming Beema features. Which could give it a higher clock rate than 1.6 Ghz, but I suspect 2 Ghz is likely a wall it will hit. Not really sure. Sony has never officially stated the Ghz of the CPU/APU in the system did they? Rumors AMD Beema is to be talked about around August. Gamescom is also in August. Sony could have another surprise. It also fits the RAM though.
yes very true and that only prove ....wait i have no idea what the hell you guys are talking about *gone to cry in the corner*
Thanks guys/gals. I feel enlightened but stupid. :)
Well that's a pretty impressive kit. It needs all the extra horspower to do, not only the games execution, but also running all the debugging and monitoring tools that devs use for optimation and testing.
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From [email protected] http://beyond3d.com/showpos... "The 2.75GHz "maximum clock frequency in the system" is clearly the WCLK of the GDDR5 running at the announced 5.5 Gbps. GDDR5 needs two clock signals to work, one at 1.375GHz and the other one at the mentioned 2.75GHz (for 5.5Gbps operation), which is likely the highest clock in the system, not the CPU clock."
Interesting. Sounds like a sensible explanation. Thanks for the info.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5 The wiki overview has a decent description of the two clock setup of gddr5 as well
Does that mean 'Rocket Science' is involved?/jk I'm kind of clueless as to what that means, but theroretically could it mean that the PS4 built for extensive multitasking like you would see in a desktop computer with multiple programs running?
It just means they are reporting the maximum frequency found in the system, which matches the clock frequency of GDDR5. It doesn't provide information on multi-tasking.
It looks like an overclock which means most likely the clock speed will be lowered for the retail version
What about GPU+CPU=APU CPU=1.9gz GPU=800mhz =APU 2.7ghz ???????
That's what I thought,2.7 GHz is easily the sum of the two processors inside the PS4's APU: CPU + GPU. CPU runs at 1.94 GHz and the GPU at 800 GHz. So we just add 1.94 + 0.800 = 2.74 GHz.
You hit it on the money..
Why those two numbers would be added together makes no sense. The 2.7GHz frequency is probably the maximum clock speed using AMD's Turbocore functionality, in which case half of the cores need to basically be disabled to run at that speed.
No, doesn't work like that.
Sexy black and white pictures.. wonder where i insert my usb dongle.
I really would like for the system to have a couple more USB ports. But i guess its a bit better since the camera will no longer require its own port.
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jesus that's hilarious!
That is definitely NOT William Dafriend! Sorry had to.
Made me smile, and yeah, I'm feeling that inside for weeks now. :)
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If anybody believes new consoles will get bump to over 2Ghz clock on CPU better start praying both of em ship with water cooling system, otherwise you will have a nice bakery inside such a small space . Those chips were designed with low TDP in mind not as power hungry monsters
This seems to be the Dev. kit unit.
"otherwise you will have a bakery inside such a small space"
You are forgetting the XB1 is gigantic!!!
hehe sry couldnt resist.
Its to do with the GDDR5 speed. Don't look to much into this.
XB1 dev kits have 12GB Ram. Not sure they will ship with that much. Maybe used for debugging and the such like.. Sony have said they take measured and considered decisions not snap judgement based on what MS might do. Guess we will all find out in time..
Not sure? Of course they won't, the Xbox One will have 8GB.
We won't fully know until both consoles are released. Something tells me there may be a few more surprises in store. Just a feeling!
@ vigilante_man: Look up confirmed in a dictionary. The Xbox One has 8GB of DDR3 RAM, split 5 and 3: 5 for gaming, 3 for OS. The end.
That DRM thing was confirmed as well up until recently...
But no way they are gonna change the hardware at this stage.
@Enemy the HyperV will manage RAM usage so as long as it uses 1 gig of RAM, it can allocate as much as 7 gigs for games if needed
Enemy you not complete right the 5 and 3 is correct but you forget something the 32 MB of high speed ESRAM will give a big help to games and this is something the people forgot to mention
'Something tells me there may be a few more surprises in store. Just a feeling!' A small surprise perhaps but the Xbox One isn't going to ship with 12GB. That was a stupid rumor to begin with.
Development kits usually have double the RAM of the actual system. XB1/PS4 kits now should have 16 GB RAM. 12 GB kits mean't XB1 was planned to ship with 6 GB of RAM at that time.
Well, since 3 GB of the 8 is reserved for the OSs, only 5 is in use for games, so technically all the dev kits would need would be 10GB. The 12 is probably just in case they free up another GB from the OS with an update sometime in the future.
@enemy Calm yourself down. Nothing is 100% confirmed. If you read the small print on both consoles they are subject to change any time before being released. Unless of course you are Steve Ballmer in disguise?
"Unless of course you are Steve Ballmer in disguise?"
Because in that case it wouldn't matter what you know, cause you'd be a total nutter.
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That's nice. Now what about HDCP?
@jdoki Sony may be playing it safe as they will be launching in territories where it is seasonally very hot - and that PS4 casing does look small. Try 55 degrees in the summer :( but the ps4 will be out during winter so! :D I really hope that it has no issues which is hard to ask of a new console but I'm making sure a 1 year warranty is available when I buy it and that I don't lose the damn thing!!!
I know I read that I was like WTF 5-55 degrees celsius. That's one cool running machine, I wonder how quiet it is? I wonder why they haven't sent the PS4 into the FCC database.
5 and 35 degrees
Where/What/Who is 5-55 degrees?
How do you know PS4 is a cool running machine?
I was referring to the dev kit, mis-typed the 55 should be 35.
It's just the communication frequencies (WiFi, Blluetooth, etc.).
Yeah the only reason this article exists is because federal mandate requires them to file any wireless transmissions.
Only for devoleper kits? :(
Whats funny is I'm pretty sure this was partially in the picture the day before the Feb 20th reveal and we were all more excited for the controller lol.
Im telling you the concept picture of the dualshock that was revealed before the feb 20th is the dev kit it just has two usb instead of three like the pic and small other changes just look.
the PS4 dev box looks like it has all the styling of the production Xbone. :P
I want this model. If given the choice i would always go for the one with extra cooling etc
So what does all this mean???
#fuckingyawnfanbotswankingover devkits Really???
Yeah but you still need 1.21 Jigawatts to run the flux capacitor