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Submitted by Nike 936d ago | news

Naughty Dog Co-Founder, Former THQ President on PS4 vs Xbox One: "The Chips Won't Matter"

Ravi Sinha: "Even though we're still 4 months away before the next generation of consoles, with the Xbox One releasing in November and the PlayStation 4 releasing this Holiday season, much is still being made about the purported power of the two consoles. There have been differing opinions, of course, but a consensus is more or less beginning to form that it's primarily about how a developer utilizes the technology present rather than which console is superior." (PS4, Xbox One)

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mewhy32  +   936d ago
Chips don't matter? Since when?
wishingW3L  +   936d ago
he's just saying that success is not based on power. But knowing how N4G users are I bet this will reach 1000 degrees because nobody reads more than the title. =/
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iamnsuperman  +   936d ago
Its easy to put the blame onto the users but gamingbolt should use a less hit worthy title. I would rather see "Rubin gives his thoughts on the next gen and what really matters"
BuffMordecai  +   936d ago
Then again, in any other console generation I've seen, the more powerful console has always been more expensive. This is the first time in which the stronger platform is $100 cheaper right off the bat. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
NatureOfLogic  +   936d ago | Well said
Him saying success is not based on power is his opinion, not fact. IMO, It comes down to many things including power. Like with PS4 vs Xbox One. It comes down to games availability, price, hardware(power/chips) and features. I understand that chips are not everything, but saying chips don't help something to become successful, I disagree with that. If PS4 had PS2 chips against Xbox One, which one do you think would have better chance at being successful? Lets remember that these chips also allow new features. So chips will matter IMO.
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NewMonday  +   936d ago
if it was like the PS3 where few developers can take advantage of the CELL then yes, the power gap will not stand out...but this time the PS4 is much more powerful AND with better and more developer friendly architecture.

insiders already say the difference between PS4 and XBone will be obvious on 3rd party games from day1... and another telling point is that all the comparisons we see are between PS4 and high end PCs, the XB1 is not even part of the conversation anymore.
nukeitall  +   936d ago
All I have to say is Wii, Wii, Wii and WIIII!!!

Point being, the chips didn't win Nintendo last generation and neither did the Cell win for PS3.

It has little to do with the chips and more the overall package, the policies, the system, the featurers and the forward lookingness.

In the end, it is value!

That value can depend on games, features or other things.

The Wii was a great value at it's price point upon release!
Masterdon   936d ago | Spam
wsoutlaw87  +   936d ago
@nukeitall yes the wii is a good example of how you dont need power but that was because they brought something new and brought in a new audience. How ever look at the wii u as a counter to that. The wii u will be missing out on a substantial amount of games because of its chips. Games/experiences sell consoles and the hardware is a big part of them. The chips however arent the deciding factor, but they have a chance to be in a console gen where they are so similar.
Eddie20101  +   936d ago | Well said

I know one thing you Xbone defenders,apologist whatever you are, are the the whiniest people on the planet. Sony fanboy this, Sony fanboy that without comprehending that you yourself sound like the biggest Fanboy bi#$%es on the planet.
aixao  +   936d ago
chips do matter
xxLuckyStrike  +   936d ago
wwhat kinda chips?ruffles ranch.... Mmmmm mmmm good
dantesparda  +   936d ago
@aixao "chips do matter"

No they don't (to MS fanboys)
unless the x1 was more powerful, then suddenly they do matter again. Its all bullsh!t. There is no way around it, the PS4 is more powerful than the X1, PERIOD! FACT! The MS fanboys cant accept that, so they bend over backwards trying to argue otherwise, its pathetic really.

And p.s to Jason Rubin, good chips and good devs make for even better more impressive games, how bout them apples?
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blacktiger  +   936d ago
actually chipset do matter, otherwise developers will have to limit to the power of console instead of standard.
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HateFanboys  +   936d ago

"I love it.. You pathetic f#cking fanboys are bitching about t us "Xbox fanboys" when there hasn't been a single one on here.. "

"Like this.. I'm still looking for these mysterious Xbox fanboys that troll Sony articles says how much it sucks for no reason other then its not heir choice.. "

then you're blind kid, cuz they be lurking all up in these woods, there might even be one in you, you think, huh? huh? huh?

"Truly pathetic and I'm done coming to this glorified Sony fansite "

Bye baby, we'll miss ya, dont let the door hit'cha on the way out son!

Bye, and dont come back, go be with your MS fanboys
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dcj0524  +   936d ago
Ironic lol you get 106.
nukeitall  +   935d ago

"@nukeitall yes the wii is a good example of how you dont need power but that was because they brought something new and brought in a new audience. How ever look at the wii u as a counter to that. The wii u will be missing out on a substantial amount of games because of its chips. Games/experiences sell consoles and the hardware is a big part of them. The chips however arent the deciding factor, but they have a chance to be in a console gen where they are so similar."

Wii U isn't getting support, not because it's chips can't support it. Many of these multiplatform games are released on Xbox 360 and PS3, so the Wii U isn't an issue being more powerful.

The problem is the slow adoption rate of Wii U. Why spend millions supporting a small userbase of less than 5 millions, that probably won't hit 30 million life time.

Also I want to point out that when people say technology (or in this case chips) don't matter, it is in relation to relatively comparable hardware i.e. Wii U, Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox One and PS4. Obviously it is not NES vs PS3 vs Ouya similar to how fast food restaurant technically do not compete with high end restaurants.

You are right that game experiences sell consoles, but I would take that one step further and say it is *entertainment experiences* that sell consoles.
This is where the Wii u fail, it lacks games and experiences outside of game that are appealing. Essentially I see few reasons to buy it, despite being a huge fan of it. Nintendo really dropped the ball on the games, which is practially Wii U's main function (as it sucks at almost everything else).

So yeah, chips don't matter and history has shown that repeatedly!
Syntax-Error  +   935d ago
@BuffModecai - It's cheaper for a reason. It would've been the same price if they included the camera
Ju  +   935d ago
He says this:

"Once drove a racetrack in mom-van with a pro driver then couldn't beat his time driving a ferrari- Its the driver, not the car"

And while this holds some truth this is under the assumption that the Ferrari isn't driven by a pro driver. I'd rather say, the top drivers drive that Ferrari. You still believe that van can beat the race car?
JeffGUNZ  +   935d ago
@ Buffmodercai

It's more expensive because the Kinect is included. That's the only reason.
pixelsword  +   935d ago
@ wishingW3L:

When a title is flamebait, the title and little bit of article on the front is all I will read.

Good articles don't need flamebait.
Foliage  +   935d ago
Naughty Dog only solidified their role atop the best developers list; after this clown left the company. Since his departure they have worked on all 3 Uncharted games and The Last of Us. All 4 games were the best games available the years they released. Nothing to see here folks; just a guy riding coat tails.
die_fiend  +   936d ago
They matter if they're salted
Fireseed  +   936d ago
I prefer if mine also have vinegar.
superterabyte  +   936d ago
@WinterSoldier Vinegar
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starfox79  +   935d ago
Can i say this....

PS4,has the best system RAM,most terrabites,cloud in the future,good exclusives,the most 3rd party support.

Xbox1,has cloud for more power,good 3rd party support,good exclusives Halo ect,good system RAM,the best multi tasking.

WiiU,has cloud for more power in the future NERD are developing it now,the best exclusives,poor 3rd party support but the ones it has are good Watchdogs ect,the best overall memory ie powerful EDRAM cache memory,EDRAM chip memory,good but less system RAM.

All 3 use dx11 cards,ps4,wiiu will use comparable opengl,all 3 have low cpu clock speeds,all have out of order execution.

Shadow of eternals wiiu trailer shows dx11 at max.

So where wiiu lacks it can be made up with Havok compression x10 technology,in other words with compression 1GB is now 10GB which is enough for any game.
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die_fiend  +   935d ago

Yeah, you can say all those things. But I'm not gonna read all that
GribbleGrunger  +   936d ago
This guy's had a flea up his ass ever since he left ND.
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Dlacy13g  +   936d ago
No I think the only flea up anyones ass is that of GamingBolt and good old Ravi constantly trying to get developers to talk badly of the Xbox One publically.
loulou  +   936d ago
that must be it.. he is not happy with sony. that explains his comment

muerte2494. obvious;y you are a dev working on it.. what game are you working on? and what studio are you with?

you must be to be making those comments.... or are you just another pathetic f@king fanboy??
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Muerte2494  +   936d ago
"trying to get developers to talk badly of the Xbox One publically."

Because they all know behind closed doors, that's it's horrible.
testerg35  +   936d ago

When a dev says positive stuff about Sony.. "I would rather listen to actual devs than fanboys"

when a dev says positive stuff about MS... "their being paid by MS", "this dev doesn't count", ...

I think that's how it works.
dantesparda  +   936d ago

When a dev says positive stuff about MS.. "I would rather listen to actual devs than fanboys"

when a dev says positive stuff about Sony... "their being paid by Sony", "this dev doesn't count", ...

I think that's how it works.
Septic  +   936d ago
Like Jonathan Blow?
GribbleGrunger  +   935d ago
Yes, Septic, just like Jonathan Blow. Of course you do have to take into consideration that Jonathan Blow IS actually making a game for both consoles, so regardless of the similarities, I'd take his words more seriously (Even though I might not entirely agree with them)
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die_fiend  +   935d ago

What is Blow making for Xbox One?
GribbleGrunger  +   935d ago
Witness ... unless that's changed. As Sony pointed out at the reveal: 'Witness deputing on the PS4.' It was NEVER an exclusive, unless, like I said, things have changed.
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deathstriker  +   936d ago
The weakest consoles sold the most for the last two generations... Wii and PS2. The mainstream doesn't care about power.
wishingW3L  +   936d ago
PS2 was more powerful than the Dreamcast and the GC and Xbox came out almost 2 years later which is a considerable gap.

The consoles that sold the most re not the weakest but the cheapest.
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Rip-Ridah  +   936d ago
The current generation is NOT over. I'm fairly confident that the PS3 will outsell the Wii by the time the PS3 is off of the market.
lgn15  +   936d ago
I forgot your more knowledgeable than than Naughty Dog co-founder. You really showed that by your, long, drawn out, and logical explanation of your opinion! Oh wait..

Also I hope it's probably not a biased opinion coming from a guy with a PS4 as his profile picture.
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Electric-flamingo  +   936d ago
Hmmmmm you might be on to something. Lol. Gotta love the N4G devs!!!
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Aceman18  +   936d ago
Jason i believe you need both to make great games.
showtimefolks  +   936d ago
I hate jason Rubin, he is an idiot. He believed in online passes and said publishers should blocked used games

success is based on power i believe, that's why ps3 was about to catch/pass xbox360. With power came great looking exclusives meaning people interest was more
Khronikos  +   936d ago
Rubin is just one of those dudes who sold his passion out for money and is now commenting on random bullshit. This guy barely 'works' anymore. And yes chips do matter to a huge portion of people. NO, not everyone. The Wii is a fluke people. If chips didn't matter than where the hell is the WiiU going again being massively underpowered? Yeah, straight to the toilet is where.
JamieL  +   935d ago
LOL, man being a close minded fanboy must suck. I mean weren’t all of you sucking this guy off when he was with ND making games. I am pretty sure most the folks on good ol' N4G dubbed all ND as gods right? He went from "God" status to a POS just because he changed companies. He wasn't even saying anything bad against Sony, but if yawl even catch a hind of positivity about the XBone then its ATTACK right? Pathetic.
Khronikos  +   935d ago
The point is nobody cares about Rubin anymore. He sold out LONG TIME ago bud. LONG TIME AGO. Nothing at all to do with ND's success on PS3.
showtimefolks  +   935d ago

shows who is the real fanboy when he had nothing to do with ND's success on ps3. He sold off long long time ago

i hate stealth fanboys like you
JamieL  +   934d ago
@ showtimefolks
Good, as long as you are hating on me you're leaving someone else alone. Keep using all your effort hating us "stealth fanboys" that like games no matter what hunk of plastic you put them in. So go on calling people fanboys and hating all you want, it really has no impact on the world at all, and only makes YOU upset.
Eddie20101  +   936d ago
The PS4 is more powerful and not by a small margin and will probably add cloud processing in the near future. Sony's first party and some third party developers have been really good at getting the very most out of Sony consoles, and the games prove it.
meplaygames  +   935d ago
You better pray that the games on the PS4 are 50% better than on the Xbox one in both graphics and game play because come release day I think many Sony fanboys are going to get a nasty shock when comparison vids start coming out lol....bless your cute little brain ha
Eddie20101  +   935d ago

Your name describes the size of your brain, and your childish mentality. PS3 does better looking games with the wright developer and PS4 will too except with a little less effort. The game play is going to be the same for the most part but there will be a difference in graphis and physics a few devs have already said so.

Don't need to pray for anything my life does not depend on the PS4 or the Xbox One, but since you made the dumb comment maybe yours does.

May want change name to mepoopypants when Sony and P34 proves to be better than you think.

See ha meplaygames with full diaper.
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Eddie20101  +   936d ago
Gaming for the win.
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MazzingerZ  +   936d ago
Wii? It's about sales or what's delivered to gamers? I can easily say what Wii titles I played and got the Wii for...on the other side it' s impossible to do the same for PS3/X360 as they are countless
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mwjw696  +   936d ago
Since the console wars began fanboy.

1. Nes vs Sega - Nes won and was less powerful.
2. SNES vs Genesis - Even with all the powerful add-ons for sega it lost.
3. Gameboy vs Gamegear - Gameboy won and did not even have a color screen.
4. PS2 vs GC vs Xbox - PS2 was the least powerful and won hands down, GC was 33% more powerful and came in second, xbox was 33% more powerful than GC and came in last.

Most of the time power gets you nuthing. It is and always will be about the games, options, and support from the company.

So since the NES is when they stoped mattering.
dantesparda  +   936d ago
The GC did not outsell the Xbox and SNES was technically overall better than the Genesis, So SNES won that gen and was more powerful and Xbox beat GC and was more powerful

And PS1 was superior to Saturn
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mwjw696  +   936d ago

Holy shit I stand corrected. I had no idea xbox original came in second place over the GC. That must have happened after I stopped keeping track when I said fuck it and starting playing PC only... WOW.

Second point. I know the Genesis was weaker over all. The point I was making it that even with all its "upgrades" like 32x, CD drive, and the like. It still could not take over the SNES.

PS1 was defiantly an exception to the rule on that one, cause it it beat the N64, and Saturn hands down.
dantesparda  +   936d ago
Gotcha, and I kinda thought that's what you meant with the genesis, but I wasnt sure
Ju  +   935d ago
Also, it's more about timing than power alone. PS2 came out way earlier than XBox and could build a solid base - and was cheaper at the time XBox launched.

If time would be the only factor, though, we'd all be playing WiiU.

But a combination of power, timing and price is quite convincing. And in all those the PS4 leads. I think PlayStation did everything right this time. We'll see.
TwistedMetal  +   936d ago
ok if the power don't matter then lets look at the games from this gen of both consoles

now xbox fanboys can shut up you guys having been playing crap for the last 3 years except for multiplas and guess what ps4 does those better ps4 is where we as gamers need to gravitate towards right now
fr0sty  +   936d ago
"Once drove a racetrack in mom-van with a pro driver then couldn't beat his time driving a ferrari- Its the driver, not the car."

Until that pro driver steps into the Ferrari, and we all know how many pro drivers there are working under the SCEWWS umbrella.
JamieL  +   935d ago
That's his point genius, the driver makes the car preform, just like it's the software that makes the hardware preform. This is like the 3rd comment making this same point, when that's exactly what he was trying to say.
fr0sty  +   935d ago
The question was:

"Do you have any takeaways, from a developers HONEST standpoint, can you get more or less from PS4 hardware vs. X1 via specs????"

His answer stated that it's not the hardware but the developer that determines that. While that is true, it still does not change the fact that if you put 2 equally talented developers coding on XB1 and PS4 hardware, the developer working on the PS4 is going to have more hardware power to play with and therefore will do better from a technical standpoint than the equally talented developer working on the X1.

He basically deflected the question to try to put it all in the developer's lap, when the question was not about developers at all, but rather the tools those developers use to make their games. He sidestepped the question entirely.

So, my point stands. Put both the van and the ferarri on the track, with equally talented drivers, and the ferarri will be driving laps around the van.
TheSaint  +   936d ago
Mmmmm chips.....
AngelicIceDiamond  +   935d ago
Think about it, this gen the chips didn't matter, "the more powerful console." when it was all said and done.

It was just all talk and hype from the community.
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thetruthx1  +   935d ago
This guy is right and if anyone would know it would be a developer working with the technology. Was the ps3 more powerful than the xbox 360 of course it was on a specs sheet but multiplats performed better on the 360. Did Uncharted blow Halo 4 or Gears of War out of the water graphically it didn't because it is still debatable so that says to me that the systems were comparable. It'll be the same thing next gen. And while you say it'll be easier to develop on the ps4 it'll still be about who has the better tools to
bigfish  +   935d ago
they dont know what they are talking about,,, of course chips matter and if a dev uses good chips properly then nothing can compete,, this may well be the case with PS4
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Utalkin2me  +   935d ago
Chips won't matter refers to "Doritos"
BallsEye  +   935d ago

Thanks mister engineer. I guess you built both ps4 and X1. Can you please share more details on how exactly one is more powerful than the other (and I dont mean paper specs)? I wan't to learn more about architecture, exactly how it works in ps4 besides having the most simple pc architecture. I also wanna know why in your opinion having plenty of move engines esram and faster ram is worse. Thanks mr engineer. I'm glad sony has such great engineers like yourself.
iamnsuperman  +   936d ago
He is right in theory that its up to the developers to make the games and the business model that sell the systems (which is why the chips won't matter) however having a better chip/specs makes things easier for one of the parties to do so. I think Sony's track record has been quite good in the last 4-5 years when it comes to first party

Also this seems like a sneaky twitter interview
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k2d  +   935d ago
Jason Runin no longer has any affiliation with Sony or Naughty dog. He's probably paid by Microsoft to throw FUD around about the PS4. There's a lot you can do with 1 billion dollars.
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Pandamobile  +   935d ago
"He's probably paid by Microsoft to throw shit around about the PS4."

Yeah, okay.
k2d  +   935d ago

Yeah, sorry?
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Cmk0121  +   936d ago
A man who founded one of sonys most prized studios says it doesnt matter..GEESH i bet folks faces are melting
iamnsuperman  +   936d ago
If you think that will make folks faces melt you should see the bonus round at E3 on gametrailers. He was very positive (almost blindly so) of microsoft direction when the rest, on the panel, were extremely negative.
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Transporter47  +   936d ago
Formerly President of THQ show's you how much he knows, what happen to THQ?
starchild  +   936d ago
HE came in at the very end to try and turn the company around, but alas it was too late. Not his fault at all.
devwan  +   936d ago
Basically he says it's not the technology but what people do with it, then lists a load of things Sony are already well known for and maybe one thing the xbox one has going for it based on current gen.
sigfredod  +   936d ago
I like the way so subtle he say wich one is the best: Business model, indy inclusion, price, online services, community, exclusive titles, etc. may matter lol, PS4 = Ferrari, XB1 = mom-van
theWB27  +   936d ago
Which doesn't say much since he couldn't beat the mom-van lap time driving a ferrari. Did you get that part too?
sigfredod  +   936d ago
of course i did, thats why he subtle say tha the important is the team: Business model, indy inclusion, price, online services, community, exclusive titles, etc. and we all know who have the price, indy inclusion etc lol
steven83r  +   936d ago
Ya but a metaphor since driving the Ferrari in 3rd gear all around the track would still smoke the Pro.
Ju  +   935d ago
It's a not so thought out example, is it? I mean, you only need a half decent driver to actually beat that van, no matter what driver that van has...nothing he can do about that.
mark134uk  +   936d ago
"Once drove a racetrack in mom-van with a pro driver then couldn't beat his time driving a ferrari- Its the driver, not the car"

terrible example
theWB27  +   936d ago
How is that a terrible example?

Systems= the car
Driver= the developers
steven83r  +   936d ago
Because even the average driver can beat a pro in a mini van around a track. Unless the driver is afraid of speed. And the example is shit because let's say the Mini van is PS2 while the Ferrari is PS4. Your saying a developer can make a better looking, feeling and all around better game on PS2 than PS4? No way. Power, Specs, Chips all matter. Great developers can't do shit on crap hardware. (based on todays specs and expectations)
moparful99  +   936d ago
It's a terrible example because a pro race car driver vs an average citizen is not the same as professional game developers vs professional game developers..

In this example both the systems have comparable specs where as a van and a Ferrari are two completely different vehicles built for different purposes..

Put that same pro driver in the seat of that Ferrari and he would run laps around that van.. The van has a very limited top speed, soft suspension, slower acceleration, and weaker brakes.. A van vs a Ferrari doesn't come close to comparing the two systems.

A better comparison would be take a pro driver place him in an Enzo and compare his lap times to a Aventador.. Either way the driver(developer) is often the most important factor but the car(console) he is given to work with gives him the ability to utilize his abilities to their fullest.
JokesOnYou  +   936d ago
Ok I get he should if used a Corvette or another sports car but I guess he was trying to be dramatic for effect obviously specs matter but the point is if they are close it will of course come down to developers, hell 3ds is considerably less powerful then the. Vita and would you say nintendo doesn't have the better games? btw, I'll wait for proper bench tests for exact conclusion on ps4 vs X1 real world performance, but more importantly I'll just judge by the games.
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AceBlazer13  +   936d ago
if u take 2 skilled drivers obviously the one in the ferrari will win with ease at that
moparful99  +   936d ago
@Jokes Exactly, but in the case of the Vita Sony has only been utilizing secondary teams to make their Vita exclusives..

For example Uncharted: Golden Abyss is a great game but it wasn't made by the primary Uncharted team rather a little satellite team.

I want to see what Sony's big boys can do with the Vita. So far the Vita is an example of wasted potential.. I love my Vita but so far there hasn't been a proper AAA game that the system is capable of..
hellvaguy  +   935d ago
What about the story of the rabbit and turtle? Spoiler alert, the rabbit doesnt win.
steven83r  +   936d ago
He probably didn't mean it as we all think. Of course chips matter otherwise why bother upgrading. Might as well stick to 32 bit. The better the chip the better the game a developer can make. Imagine Beyond, TLOU, Heavy Rain, Uncharted and so on running on shit chips and graphics. The games would never create the emotion that they were going for, having us care for the characters. I never cared or felt a connection to a 8-16 bit character. The more real the character the more emotions the game will produce.
theWB27  +   936d ago
He meant it just as he said it. He didn't offer clarification or anything afterward did he?

We know we aren't talking about the difference between the PS2 and PS4. Do you watch Top Gear? I'm linking you here just to show you. You can watch the episode after reading it also.

Jeremy Clarkson set a lap time of 10 mins driving a Jaguar S type. She did a lap in the same car and beat it by 47 seconds.

A few years later she raced a Ford Transit Van(diesel) and had a lap time of 10 mins 8 secs. 8 seconds slower than a Jaguar S type. Thus meaning, it's got alot to do with the driver.

The thing about that is she isn't even a top level driver even though she knows the Nurburg really well.

It makes perfect sense when he makes that analogy.
moparful99  +   936d ago
That Ford transit van was also heavily modified to be able to compete.. There's no question that the driver(developer) is the most important factor but that doesn't negate the importance of the car(hardware) he is given to deliver results. If there was no need for better hardware then there wouldn't be a need for new consoles every 5-6 years or so.. Period.
theWB27  +   936d ago
I didn't say there wasn't a need for better hardware. The Fod transit was heavily modified on the second run. The first run she did, wasn't modified and was only 8 secs behind.

Another example...Halo 4 looks leaps and bounds better than Halo 3. It's also not that far from the best of the PS3 exclusive FPS. If not even on par, and we all know the 360 isn't as powerful as the PS3. But it was the developer that made that mini van compete with the ferrari.
moparful99  +   936d ago
@WB In the realm of racing 8 seconds is A LOT. Just look at Nascar when a driver has a 1-2 second lead it translates to a large gap.. Hence with consoles a 3 gig difference in RAM can make a huge difference. Lets say two cars are traveling in a straight line for 1 hour at top speed. Car A has a 1mph higher top speed then B. At the end of that time there will be a 1 mile gap between the two cars. Now lets say those cars travel for 10 hours. Now the gap jumps to 10 miles. This same example can be said of the consoles. 1 gig ram over a long period of time will result in ever increasingly more sophisticated and advanced games. Yes it takes the developers to unlock that potential and Sony has the better pedigree when it comes to first party studios.

The point I'm trying to make is that console power and great developers go hand in hand.. Lets not forget that a panel of developers influenced the specs of the PS4. Sony has the edge in nearly every way going into this generation.
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mwjw696  +   936d ago
I bet alot of FF7 fans would like to have words with you. Quantim dreams stupidly has the exact same thought as you. Your both wrong. If you think more power and a better gpu equals a better story then you are lazy and could not point out a good story if it was right in front of you.

A good story does not need to be visually impresive, a good story can be told with words alone.
nirwanda  +   936d ago
Marketing, word of mouth, services, and good exclusive games wil be the deciding factors.
Hercules189  +   936d ago
If the xbox one had nintendo 64 specs and ps4 had a $2000 gaming pc then specs would matter, but as far as i know, the differences will be minimal. Sonys got ND and GG, and Microsoft has 343 and Black Tusk. All the tech demoes that were showed, especially UE4, which looks better than killzone shadowfall, will not be exclusive to either platform. If micro really wants to match the visuals of dark sorcerer there is nothing stopping them
shivvy24  +   936d ago
"there is nothing stopping them"
Exept the ram !
Hercules189  +   935d ago
Look at what we got here, another closet develepor
Supermax  +   936d ago
Actually Microsoft has epic bringing gears of war out with unreal 4 engine.
SpideySpeakz  +   936d ago
People still play that game.. ? -_-
Hercules189  +   935d ago
People still play killzone? lol jk theres a couple dozen people playing killzone
Death  +   936d ago
I don't believe he feels the chips "don't matter", he is expressing it's how the hardware is used and the services around it. Too much emphasis is on the silicone. Jason and Mark have a history that goes back to the early days of the Playstation and games like Crash and Jax. It was quite the compliment if you take the time to read it.

His statements were pro-PS4. He is listing all the things that will make it succeed besides the hardware. Some of you guys are way too literal and way too sensitive.
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Koyes  +   936d ago
It's not all about specs, as shown by the greatest console of all time, the PS2. I already have my PS4 preordered but it's not the specs that made me do so. It's the games (inFAMOUS: SS alone is enough to make me buy a PS4)
from the beach  +   936d ago
We need to see games that show off the difference in the chips.

So far we haven't.
HateFanboys  +   936d ago
are you crazy? kill zone looks waayyy better than anything on X1, infamous looks wayyy better than anything on X1, try again kid, and dont even tell me that xbla looking KI or the graphically impressive forza
from the beach  +   934d ago
I would say Ryse is better looking, absolutely blew me away when I saw it.

But even if you disagree, "waayyy" better is a stupid exaggeration.
HateFanboys  +   933d ago
you're crazy bub, KZ looks alot better than Ryse and Infamous looks next gen too. Ryse looks good, but not as good to me. Next you'll be telling me Ghost looks better than BF4
4logpc  +   936d ago
Can we stop approving Gamingbolt....please
Hercules189  +   936d ago
Is it because their not kissing sonys ass
WeAreLegion  +   936d ago
No. It's because their articles are poorly written and they use the "click ten links for our top ten lists" format.
4logpc  +   936d ago
Their content is very poorly written and all they do is scrape other sites and rewrite their articles.
cunnilumpkin  +   936d ago
so far I have not seen any GAMEPLAY from either "next gen" console that even looks next gen

the sorcerer tech demo was cool and the fake deep down trailer was cool, but they were not even real games or gameplay

killzone shadowfall looks pretty cool, but not even close to what we have been seeing on pc for the last 3 years, same with ryse

honestly games like the witcher 2, crisis 1 2 and 3, metro last light and 2033, far cry 3, shogun 2, hard reset etc all look FAR better than any gameplay I've seen on any "next gen" console

so I agree, the chips don't matter because neither console is powerful

they are both basically gaming laptops from 2 years ago
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WeAreLegion  +   936d ago
Killzone: Shadow Fall doesn't look as good as what we've been seeing on PC for the last 3 years?!?

Are you absolutely positive about that? Because I'm playing Metro: Last Light on my laptop right now. It's probably the best looking game out there. Killzone: Shadow Fall and Battlefield 4 both put it to shame.
dantesparda  +   936d ago
I agree, the PC is more powerful but I also agree that Killzone looks impressive
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mmj  +   936d ago
The same could ultimately be said about PS4 v Wii U, he's not saying that there's no difference just that other factors can overcome technical inferiority, MS have not got off to a good start however.
THC CELL  +   936d ago
He just mad cause he lost out on the last of us , chips don't matter pff developers will make use of all the chips they have access to on both consoles
Death  +   936d ago
Actually he is not mad at all. If you read the story you would see he is complimenting the entire system and services, not just focusing on the hardware like many are. Like most things N4G, people are seeing what they want to see instead of what is there.
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Chrisgamerguy  +   936d ago
Chips don't matter he's right
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McScroggz  +   936d ago
The fact is power matters, but it's not everything. The most important thing a console needs are games. Having the most powerful console can help. But it's really so much more complex than that.
yewles1  +   936d ago
Jason Rubin's experience is from the days before the PS3. Considering what he and Andy Gavin brought to the plate when they moved to 3D gaming, it's appropriate to talk about dev talent over processing power, that's what Naughty Dog are all about: beating the odds.
JunioRS101  +   936d ago
Why won't developers just come out and say what we all want them to???

"PS4 has better hardware, therefor PS4 has more potential to run higher quality games than the Xbox One."
5eriously  +   935d ago
"PS4 has better hardware, therefor PS4 has more potential to run higher quality games than the Xbox One."

You got that 100% correct!
Death  +   936d ago
Xbot, troll, whaterver you want to call me, the only thing I want to see is people think. It would be nice to have an intelligent debate once in awhile. It's way too easy to jump to conclusions and join the mob. Look at all the hate against Jason who is complimenting the PS4. He's not just focusing on the hardware since the differences are much less than many want to believe. Here are his quotes:

"Once drove a racetrack in mom-van with a pro driver then couldn't beat his time driving a ferrari- Its the driver, not the car"

"Business model, indy inclusion, price, online services, community, exclusive titles, etc. may matter. The chips won’t."

"I think Mark Cerny’s success with PS4 is a well deserved culmination of decades of hard work and genius. I am a big fan"

Clearly he is praising the PS4 and Mark unless you think the XboxOne is winning the indy and price categories. Yet he is labeled the enemy and everyone grabbed their torches without asking why. Nice.
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RevXM  +   936d ago
So chips dont matter ey?
Hmmm the chips is the baseline for what makes games different on every platform.

Saying chips dont matter is like saying that engines doesnt matter... No one I know actually want a car that is as exciting to drive as a toilet seat. My current car got 90HP and Ive driven a few other cars and I can say Ill never buy one to keep with less than roughly 150HP unless it is a secondary car or Im so poor Ill have to get one that doesnt drink so much soup.

The more hardware, growl and performance the better it is.
forcefullpower  +   936d ago
I have been on this site for a lot of years and I have got to know a lot of the names that post on here. But over the last month there are so many new accounts all defending the Xbox Its absolutely unbelievable.

I really did not take much much notice of people saying that there where companies out there doing posting to give positive feed back but this is getting nuts on this site.

I see accounts which seem to get massive disagrees yet keep getting bubbled up. I really hope that they sort this shit out soon. I did notice the bubble reset for everyone the other week.
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theWB27  +   936d ago
Those names sometimes have one bubble left and then suddenly the next day they're back up to 5? I've seen a few names but didn't take enough stock to remember which ones.

Is the new starting point 5 bubbles? I know when I joined I only had three. They were bumped up to five at the start of E3.
n4rc  +   936d ago
Show me one... Even in this thread..

Who exactly is blindly defending the Xbox? Or saying its better or ps4 sucks..

Cmon.. I'll wait...

I think you have it twisted..
mochachino  +   936d ago
Well in his analogy he intimated that xone was a "mom-van" and the PS4 a "Ferrari".

I doubt the difference is that significant (probably more like a Maxima versus an Altima type thing with PC being the Ferrari that few can afford) but with respect to his "it's the driver, not the car". I think it's obvious that 99% of games will be multiplat and have the same driver. So the car matters.
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sync90  +   936d ago
I think he's being diplomatic.
easternbalboa  +   936d ago
Fish and chips will always batter
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