Shigeru Miyamoto has been working very hard on Pikmin 3 in order to help boost the relatively slow sales on the Wii U, and he has a very clear idea on some of the things that went wrong so far and on how the situation might improve.
Honestly I am shocked they are doing this badly with the WiiU and I wonder why DLC is not being utilize more for the system? The WiiU has potential, but I feel they are losing their strong spark.
Well, the problem is that they kind of lack games. Focusing on making DLCs when you have too few games is more detrimental than advantageous.
In terms of the titles that require dlc like Injustice and Call of Duty Black Ops 2. They should of thought of that. How you going to have a system with big name titles like those and no dlc for the customers? It is kind of sad.
@KumaKreations: eh, to be completely honest I think that's the least of their problems.
The problem is most people don't know why they need to upgrade to a WiiU, especially at the current price. The WiiU sold because of motion controls, not sure many people care that much about the new tablet controller.
I know a couple of families with the Wii, and when I mentioned the Wii-U to both of them out of curiosity, I was met with blank stares. They absolutely had no idea there was a new Wii available. The Wii had so much buzz. It was being talked about in offices, on talk shows..it was a hot, water cooler discussion. Old people were playing, moms were playing. The Wii-U zero buzz which is what made the Wii so popular. If your main audience doesn't know about your product, it's not going to sell. There's also a perception that the Wii-U is simply an expensive add-on. You can understand with all the other attachments available for the Wii why people would think this. I really don't think Nintendo can do anything about it. They caught lightning in the bottle with the Wii. Right product, right time, right price. It's not looking good for the Wii-U in comparison, and now it has to contend with the Xbox One and PS4, two pieces of superior tech, and one priced only $50 off the Wii-U price.
Lack games and that most developers and publishers are too afraid to take a chance with it is part of the problem.
Yes, lack of games is the Wii U's biggest problem now, particularly lack of first party games. There are only 3 Nintendo games on Wii U, and 2 of them are launch games. The third is the lackluster Game & Wario. Releasing more great first party games on a regular basis will help Wii U significantly.
it's never the lack of games, it's always has to do with price. PS3 had tons of games and it didn't start to sell well until price cut and it's always like that. The price, especially for Nintendo which caters mostly to kids, and parents prefer the buy the cheapest stuff. By this fall the Wii U will get many new exclusive games like Donkey Kong but you can bet it will sell just as bad.
even with the games he quoted in the end i still dont see a reason to buy a Wii U at the moment. I think the biggest problem aren't the games but mostly the price. Wii U needs a price cut before it gets demolished by PS4
At the end of the day, the company is just being horribly mismanaged. - They STILL have no clue how to manage their online market (horribly inadequate VC support, "one-time" downloads...no online multiplayer in Smash Bros!?). - They've got next to no third party support at this point. - They do stupid "WTF" stuff, like the whole youtube fiasco that ends up hurting them more than it saves them sales. - Not that they should forsake their roots altogether, but they rely WAY too heavily on the popularity of their past successes. If they aren't making games that are attempting to capture the "family" demographic, they're making games that appeal to only the staunchest and most loyal Nintendo fanatics.
Lack of First Party games, Pricing, Marketing, Third Party support are all problems the Wii U is facing. It's the same story for the Vita, although that's at least doing good in Japan. By early 2014, the Wii U should have better first party games on the console aiding sales, but they need to get the price down to $199 - $279 immediately. On top of that they need a real HDD in the console (at least 120GB), because what's the point of DLC if you only have 8GB to store all that data. The two models could work, but it needs a serious change $349, 8GB version discontinued (8 free Wii Ware games) $199, 32GB version $279, 120GB version + 1 Game (Games: New Super Mario Bros. U, Nintendo Land, etc...) A new marketing campaign, explaining the benefits of the Wii U (tablet controller + keep all Nintendo Wii accessories), and the fact that it's a new console not an add on. Finally focus on getting third party support, and more specifically unique 3rd party exclusives the use the tablet controller in innovative ways.
They're losing more than their strong spark. -Developers are too afraid to take a chance with it so they rather skip the platform. -Hardware wise it will make porting PS4/X1 to it given that the hardware isn't similar to the PS4/X1 and that its weaker. -Possible multiplatform future titles more than likely will skipped the WiiU(Developers and hardware is to blame for this). Overall I hate to say it but the road ahead for Nintendo won't be a easy one.
It almost seems like the half generation console syndrome that affected the Dreamcast
I love nintendo, and I'm really fearing their future, but I hope they don't pull a dreamcast. I actually bought a dreamcast too so I can feel a similar thing coming maybe.
At least the dreamcast had a decent launch lineup.
I'm not shocked at all. I reckon they lucked out with the Wii, but that couldn't be repeated of course.
Well the reason the Wii sold a lot was because it drew in the casual crowd. For first time you heard about elderly folks playing video games. Nintendo wanted to bring back the core gamers with the WiiU. I don't know why Nintendo believe they couldn't cater to both the causal and core crowd.
Are you not paying any attention? They released the first ever DLC expansion to a main Mario game just a few weeks ago?
Actually the first DLC they put out was for New Super Mario Bros. 2 on 3DS even further back, if you want to get technical. :p
How about some games?
They wouldn't get most 3rd party games anyway. I bet the division uses more than 1gb ram. looks amazing and is open world. Looks better than wiiUs best looking game X. imo..
They are only selling like 200,000 units less than PS3 did at this time after it's launch. And look at Sony now. They will be fine. Once the games arrive people will realize Wii U is a legit console.
Except Ps3 never sold as poorly as the Wii U has in the last 6 months. Plus, Ps3 wasn't in Europe for the first couple of months.
PS3 sold in 2 months what the Wii U sold in 6 (3.5 millions). By its first year the PS3 already sold 12 millions... Do you really think the Wii U will sell 8 millions in the next 6 months? Wii U is in much deeper troubles than the PS3 when it was at $600! http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...
Wii fit alone sold 20 million mariokart alone did 20 millio do we really need to go on? besides.... after the other consoles release they will have around 4 million console out there before you see Nintendos next move.otherwise it's predictable old Nintendo. if you think the agree systems here or vote systems are even a 10th other the industry you would be fooling yourself.
@ Wishing - You're comprehension is off. The PS3 sold 1.7 million units during the calendar year of 2006. That FY you see stands for fiscal year, which ends March 31st of the following year. So Sony sold 3.5 million in the first 4 1/2 months on the market and 10.4 million from Nov. '06 to Dec. '07 (58 weeks), not 12 mil in 52. But to answer your question, no it won't sell another 7 million in the last 4 1/2 months of the year. I expect the WiiU to have an install base a little more than half that by the time FY 2013 ends (March 31, 2014). My Pachter numbers - 5.5 mil WiiU, 5 mil PS4, 3 mil XB1. Add 1 million to the WiiU numbers if it receives a price cut. @ Scissor, No offense but I believe you're also deluding yourself if you honestly believe MarioKart, Mario, or Wii Fit are going to sell 20 million units on the WiiU. Surely you're not suggesting it was BECAUSE of these games that the Wii sold a 100 million? The motion controlled UI and its ability to attract millions of non-gamers into the fold had nothing to do with it? Or its sub-300 dollar, casual friendly pricepoint in relation to its competitors? Serious question amigo: How have those IPs fared in the past? Did they drive hardware sales for the N64 & GC?
The problem is one fold, GAMES! Look at the 3ds, it was a solid system that didnt sell until Nin got off their ass and released the best lineup ever seen on a handheld. Imagine if the WiiU had... A new top down Zelda Fire Emblem Paper Mario Mario and Luigi Mario Kart Resident Evil kid Icarus Animal Crossing SMT Kingdom Hearts Code of Princess Etrian Odyssey Project X Zone DKC Luigis Mansion 3d Mario MH Pokemon Bravely Default DQ7 Remake Exc. I would go buy one if a third of those released this year. They have a shit lineup. It's better with the announced e3 games, Pikmin 3, and Wonderful 101 releasing soon but its pretty sparse tbh. Step up and make me HAVE TO BUY A WIIU Nintendo! Same with Sony and the vita.
Nintendo doesn't go a good enough job with naming iterations for their consoles. DS, DSLite, DSI, DsiXL,NES, SNES, Gb, GbColor, GbPocket, GbAdvance, GbMicro and even the "3DS"... Just put a -number- after it for Christ sake, is that that difficult?
told you guys they just need to learn the shaders. they simply are not using the system completely. yet this does not change the fact that they still have some of the bestgame play pretty much says the old Wii was good enough most game types. the bottle neck was always graphically ether it's in learning the tools or the creation of graphic trying to approach movies. gaming doesn't have the pocketbook for those graphics even if they did have the hardware. as you can see PC gaming suffers from this potential. then we have gamers that are cheap or sheep. they will never pay for a game on the same scale as say a Pacific rim. apple is releasing a real console for the high end lol. it's called a Mac pro and most gamers can not afford it. gamers have become some twisted form of casual and misguided graphic whore. game play is only valued by certain groups. if you claim the Wiiu is underpowered then you might not have a full grasps of computer tech or coding. tell me what good is all that ram when you don't have a server class CPU? what good is all that you if you still don't have the gpu that can push PC level direct x 11 graphics. the truth is the xbox1 and ps4 are mid level what PC user where using in 2009 if not earlier. monitor yet we areabout to see 4k dual monitor PC/Mac support with dx11 class tech. it will blow every thing else away... but hold up you can't afford that and the game industry can't afford it. it is a dead end street.
"Too Little Too Late" -Johnny Mathis and Deniece Williams comes to mind
They need to make their games more hardcore like they did back in the day with N64 with Zelda Ocarina of Time and Mario 64. I don't think cartoony games appeal to people this gen the Wii U has more power than the Wii so they need to show what it can do graphically even the Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze game looks like it could have been done in Standard definition on the Wii. Actually it looks like a Wii game but in HD. There was a lot of buzz about the Wii U back in 2011 when they released the Zelda tech demo but since then I haven't seen a single game that looks even close to the Zelda E3 2011 demo. I will give Nintendo another year to see what they will have but if Im not impressed then I guess I will have to trade my Wii U in to Gamestop
i'm not sure going back to the past MORE than what they're already stuck in it would help. Probably they just need to get with the times and start doing things that will appease today's audience too, not just the nostalgics.
sad part is...they(gamestop) only wanted to give me 75 dollars store credit for my 32 gig wiiU after i paid 350 for it...not gonna happen..
Damn only 75 quid? Guess I will keep it then
Sell it on ebay, skip gamestop
Why on earth would you even consider Gamestop?!
I got 165 for my ps3 from gamestop several months ago. I think base was like 110. Wonder why wii-u is only 75 ...
They low-balled you because they are not in demand. A used PS3 will sell faster than a Wii-U.
right yall didn't care about N64 and GameCube when they had games for core gamers. It yall fault for saying Nintendo not for core gamers when yall didn't go out and buy N64 and GC.
Blame the customer mh? Yeah, great way to improve things. It worked well for Sega.
I bought both and still have them to this day
"Mom! Is it safe to put a fork in them? Looks like they're done!"
games only for children on a $350 system. Perfect recipe for disaster. Any sane parent would rather opt for a 3DS. XD If their focus was going to be just children and their own first party games (like always) then they should have focused on making a more affordable console than this. Who the hell in their right mind would buy this over a PS4 for almost the same price? Especially when the PS4 will have a variety of exclusives and 3rd party games too, better graphics, better online, many more features like blu-ray, etc.
That and they have no first party variety.
Don't trade it back in. Not until the generation is over, maybe there'll be like 1 game that'll interest you and you'll regret it. *Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem & X*
X looks better than that zelda.
It won't get an increase in sales until the prices are slashed. Once its down to say £150 the people who own a Wii who are looking to buy a new console will look at the PS4/XB1 for £350+ and opt for the WiiU, soley on the price difference. If they can get down to that price in time for Christmas it may turn things around for them.
I agree I think Nintendo will do this but the Wiiu is having the same issue the 3ds had at the start in no big games and people not knowing what it is. Nintendo need to tell people the Wiiu is a new gen console and not another version of the Wii and with gamea like supper smash bros, Zelda, Mario kart ect out between now and march as well as a price drop I think the sales of the Wiiu will pickup. I got mine on day one and I am loving the console. It is not short on games but it is short on exclusive games and reasons to buy the consoles as the games that are on it are on the ps3 and 360 like cod, batman, fifa ect. For me im looking forward to the next few months as I am getting a one but just with forza and then getting pikmin, Mario 3rd world, dk, Zelda hd, sonic, super smash bros and Mario kart between this month and march as well as Pokemon for the 3ds so for me its a good time to be a Nintendo fan but Nintendo need to show off there games more.
I think it's already too late to try show the public it's a new console. Wouldn't it be weird to start advertising for a console thats already come out?
Not really they just have to get the message across to the public that the Wiiu is the next generation console from Nintendo like they did with the 3ds. I know the Wiiu gets slated on here but it really is not a bad console. I have quite a few games for mine and I think the Wiiu game pad is great for all the games I've got and the pro is also a very good controller to. If Nintendo can push the console in the right way and get the big name games like cod, fifa ect on ita console and be £100 cheaper than the ps4 it could really start to get the none and core gamers on board as we all know Nintendo has quality ips but there consoles lack the 3rd party ones and it is this it need to pull in users from the 360 and ps3.
For me, it's the complete lack of games. Nintendo spreads themselves too thin for me between their consoles and hand-helds. Now, see, if you made something like that old Gameboy Advance converter for Gamecube, but for the DS and Wii U, I'd have no problem buying their system.
well, we did finally get Injustice DLC last week.
I think it went wrong with the tablet controller and the name. The tablet controller added to the cost and it had to come from the hardware. I know nintendo isn't used to sticking to the norm, but this was the console that would have benefited most from going with the norm and innovating on a game-play front like they were doing with the gamecube on some of the games. The name just caused confusion with most casual players.
Innovation for its own sake is more a source of problems than anything else. I'd say the Wii U demonstrates that
I hate when people say the gamepad is the problem it's not ..the gamepad is a great addition to gaming ...anyone that has a wii u and put enough time using the gamepad will enjoy it ..the people that say the gamepad is a problem either doesn't have a wii u or haven't spent enough time using it .play a game like resistant evil revelations or zombi u ...the gamepad is definitely adds to the game especially when u have to use the gamepad to change weapons without pausing game or figure out codes to unlock doors the wii u problem is one thing and that's lack of games but that issue is being solved starting next month ..also if you don't like the game pad use a pro controller or wii mote ...nintendo just need to advertise the wii u and they will be ok ..you know what I notice alot of people comment on the wii u and don't even own one and swear they know so much about the game system and don't
Your examples of the gamepad usage in games is just another reason why the Wii u is failing no ones put it to good use. Its just not as innovative as Nintendo presented gimmicky as the sixaxis for PlayStation.
good post. I agree all the wii u needs is games and more advertising
@Jukins do you own a wii u just asking because u always have an opinion on the wii u and I don't think u even own one the gamepad is not a gimmick it's an added way of gaming ..like I said before if its such a gimmick then use the pro controller or wii mote ...it's all about having options I rather have multiple options instead of playing games one way ..what u say is a gimmick I say is innovative and to you point if it is so gimmicky why is playstation adding a screen on there controller explain that gimmick lol ....another innovation nintendo started and others steal smh smh damn the fanboy shit is annoying smdh also I didn't even mention offline play how can that be a problem when no other console offers that ..you can lay in ya bed and play your game and the wife and girlfriend watches tv and you don't miss a beat ...stop all this nintendo hating ..if they wasn't innovative no other system will
I own the console and i love the gamepad for offscreen play, but the gamepad did take away from other things in the wii u. I love inovation, but it should have been in the games this gen as i haven't seen alot from the screen to warrant the price that it add. We might see games from nintendo and some third parties, but it's gonna be a repeat of the wii if not worst.
The most innovative thing about the gamepad is off tv play. Its like having a handheld and console in one. Wii U is a great system.
i would buy 1 right now if its not region lock
No way Pikmin 3 will boost Wii U Sales.
It has two weeks ago Wii U was selling 5000 in Japan. last week it was selling 7000 and now it sold 8000 in Japan. Pikmin 3 came out today in Japan so sales should be up between 9000-15,000 if not then more. I be surprised if more than 25,000 Wii U sold next media create charts.
What went wrong with the WiiU, well.... For one the console was conceived in 2008. So more than likely Nintendo was basing the hardware specs to that of the 360 and PS3. They probably should had waited until 2010 or 2011 or at least revise the console by then. Sure it would had delay the WiiU from being the first launch console but history have shown us being first isn't always that great. The WiiU Gamepad, while its cool controller its really taking away from the system and part of the confusion. Some people still think its a addon. If Nintendo wanted to win back their core crowd, they didn't need a second screen. The core crowd would've been fine with WiiU pro controller. Overall I think the GamePad should've been a optional peripheral consumers could buy.
The Pro controller would do nothing for the core gamer. Why would the core gamer (that probably have a PS3 or 360 already) pay 300+ for a Wii U and then another 60 for something like Assassin's Creed and play it the same way you can play it on a PS3 or 360 and it looks the same. They have to give you some new reason to play any game on their system and not the others. That was the point to the gamepad. Giving the core two analog sticks and the causal a touchpad. I think they should have just made a better wiimote that doesn't use any sensor bar or camera.
I don't own a Wii U, but I wish third parties would make some damn games for it. I hate to see Nintendo lagging behind. The games industry owes Nintendo more than could or would (sadly) ever pay back. Not to mention they still make some of the most innovative games ever. Developers and publishers need to jump off the juvenile, graphics-performance-boner train, coz it's going right off a cliff. You don't need any of that crap to make a good game. There are SNES games that have yet to be outdone if you ask me, and I was born long after the SNES came out, so its not a nostalgia thing. The whole technology / performance / surface appearance and graphics thing suits capitalism a bit too nicely, and before long games'll go down the sh!tter. I do appreciate that Sony and Microsoft opted not to make as big a technological leap with their new consoles as compared to previous precedents, and indeed, maybe the Ps4 will usher in an age of greater creativity and diversity and originality in gaming. But nevertheless, it annoys me that people overlook the Wii U for what seem to be really stupid reasons. It's just as competant a console and just as suitable (as are most consoles) for making awesome games. We're already seeing that with MOST of the flippin games that are being released for it.
You see, this is what you drones (Nintendo fanboys) don't seem to get LOL It's not just graphics, it's about bigger game worlds, smarter AI, better gameplay mechanics etc. Contrary to what you drones tell yourselves about weak hardware, developers need strong enough hardware in order to conceive next gen games. They don't need uber powerful PCs but they do need capable hardware. And that's where the Wii u falls behind in. It is simply current gen when compared to the next gen PS4 and One. There's no going around it.
I'm not a "Nintendo drone" I just respect what they've done for videogames. "developers need strong enough hardware in order to conceive next gen games" Says who? What does that even mean? Who's judging this? They "need" it? Can you tell me exactly why games and hardware "need" to get better and better? The only reason they "need" such thigns is because of market trends and consumers who are completely brainwashed by advertising and marketing. There's no objective "need" for any of those things fro the aspect of creativity. As I've just said, there are many games on the SNES remain some of the best games ever. Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI spring immediately to mind. You're the drone here friend. If you weren't, you'd be discerning enough to recognise that a lot of earlier games are a hell of a lot better than the tat that gets made nowadays. All the stuff you listed is important but not if its just going to get utilised in even more unimaginative ways. It really doesn't matter about power and performance - neither guarantee a good game in any case. If anything, the push for tech and shiny graphics has made games worse and worse. They're becoming more and more about surface and really shallow, easy gameplay, not to mention a serious dearth of longevity.