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PS4′s Architecture Offers More Customisation Than PC, Says Cerny

PlayStation 4′s architect Mark Cerny has told VG247 that the console’s “super-charged PC architecture” will give Sony and developers more customisation than they’d find on PC, helping to give the console more room to expand and improve throughout the next-gen cycle. (Mark Cerny, PC, PS4)

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Prcko  +   436d ago | Well said
hard to belive this...
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FrigidDARKNESS   436d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(30)
thecurseddevil  +   436d ago
when he said customization he meant customization as in software not in hardware.

why is it hard to believe?
it's kind of obvious.
the hardware doesnt change until ps5 comes out so devs get a lot of time to study the ps4 architecture.
GribbleGrunger  +   436d ago
Exactly. Don't underestimate the incredible tech know how of these well informed forum users, who choose to not read articles properly.

I've done it myself occasionally (just keeping it honest)
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ravinash  +   436d ago
Exactly!
All he is saying is that the Hardware is design in such a way that it can be used with a number of methods to achieve the results the dev's want to achieve.

Beyond replacing the hard drive, no one is saying the actual hardware is going to change.
MasterCornholio  +   436d ago
Well the PS4 isnt composed of off the shelf parts either. Most of the hardware in the PS4 are based off the design of PC parts but Sony asked the manufacturers to customize it. I dont see why this is so hard to believe.
Timesplitter14  +   436d ago
No, he's actually talking about the hardware. I explained it in a post I made above
thecurseddevil  +   436d ago
@Timesplitter14

from the article:

"Speaking with Dave Owen at a recent event, Cerny stressed that PS4 was designed to offer any developer – be it a small indie or a triple-a powerhouse – flexibility and room to create technically proficient experiences."

why would he say ps4 offers more customization if he meant the hardware in ps4 is customized?

it offers more customization in developement is what he meant.
Timesplitter14  +   436d ago
@curseddevil
blame the person who wrote the article then
thecurseddevil  +   436d ago
@Timesplitter14

how can you be so arrogant?
yes the hardware is customized but that is not the customized that he meant.

do you even know how to code?if yes then you have the right to have an opinion.

customization as in giving the devs more flexible tools for development.
Timesplitter14  +   436d ago
@curseddevil
1- "PS4′s Architecture Offers More Customisation Than PC" is the title of the article, but it isn't exactly what Cerny said. That's why I said blame the author of the article. How was this arrogant?

2- I know how to code, I studied computer engineering, I work as a programmer, I am making a game currently and I just finished a particle system that runs entirely on the GPU last week. It can generate 5 million particles on screen at a stable 60 fps and it's pretty rad
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The_Con-Sept  +   436d ago
Every time the Xbox one cloud comes as a pro argument against the PS4... Just remember that the Xbox one can't out perform the PS4 by itself. Which means if you don't have an internet connection then the Xbox one is dead. Xbox one needs life support just to be competitive.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Ju  +   436d ago
He meant HW. read eg.: http://techreport.com/news/...

Cache line locking from the GPU for write-through ops. More compute source for more parallel compute execution, cache snooping for the GPU to avoid cache flushes. These are all HW customizations.
showtimefolks  +   436d ago
if you understand what he is trying to say than he is 100% right
AndrewLB  +   431d ago
Hmm... PC architecture based on x86 has been largely the same for 25 years. Of course every so often new instruction sets are added and software definitely has evolved, but the fact that you can still play DOOM which came out in 1993 on a modern PC goes to show that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You fanboys love to parrot anything to make yourselves feel better about purchasing a "next gen" console which is made from "last gen" PC parts. LoL.
Bigpappy  +   436d ago
This is garbage talk. There is no computing device that can be customized more than the PC. A PC is customizable via hardware and software.
Tatsuya  +   436d ago
“There are all these customisations, such as what we did to the GPU and other parts of the system to ensure that they would really be these systems that programmers could dig into in year three or four of the console life-cycle. As the base PS4 architecture will remain largely the same for years, developers will have a long time to get to grips with it, and slowly learn any new facets as they emerge."

Read the article first before you comment, fool. He talked about the fine tuning that was done when the super-charged PC architecture was created. The evolution will happen. Devs are they keys and PS4 is the blank canvas.
Software_Lover  +   436d ago
Wow, that guy Valentinus called you a fool, lol. Then he pulled a quote from the article that proved............ nothing. So I ask, who is the fool?
hesido  +   436d ago
First of all, the title is shitty. Cerny says PS4 has some customizations that are not found in PC's. He doesn't say PS4 is more customizable.

What a shitty title.

Edit: VG24/7 mis-constructs his words. He says there are customizations in PS4 that will give more to devs in time when they utilize those options.
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Bigpappy  +   436d ago
@ Software_Lover: It is all good. I have been call that and worst for pointing out the obvious. This just exposes how irrational some can become when fanboyism takes over their brains.
webeblazing  +   436d ago
so hes saying there optimizing and the PS4 will hit its limit. and how is optimizing mean a console is more customizable than a PC is that the new buzz word of the month.

Yall killing me here lets be more grounded people and just play the games stop acting like these are doing anything different than before
AndrewLB  +   431d ago
Valentinus- I believe Cerny's comments in this article about as much as I do Microsoft's claims about these revolutionary cloud processing features on Xbone. LoL.
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Walker  +   436d ago
It's sony and cerny so you should believe this story !
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MARKeting

edit: oh software he is talking about.
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kneon  +   436d ago
You shouldn't believe it because the headline is misleading. He didn't say the ps4 could be customized, he said that the ps4 uses customized components rather than off the shelf pc parts.
Somebody  +   436d ago
Actually, it's hardly surprising because we've seen this argument among fans and Cerny is just rephrasing/recycling their words for next gen PR. It's the same old thing that console fans have been screaming about for years : a never changing platform that offers developers a chance to optimize their games on a stable, unified architecture vs a PC platform that presents "a million" hardware configurations. It is funny though that the consoles need to be a PC in order to beat the PC.

While you guys bicker about whose hardware is bigger, I see this is more of a bait for more indie and newer developers to join the PS4 instead of fishing for more gamers. Really, that's what the article is actually about. Exclusive AAA titles are one thing but the real money for next gen battle that would never stop flowing is in the indie market who make cheap apps with endless microtransactions. Waiting for five years for a AAA game to finish is a bit too much even for Sony so it would be nice to have hundreds of smaller developers making fast games that bleed your credit card at an even faster rate.

Gaikai's cloud service, apps, indie devs, F2Ps and track pads on the controller: all it needs now is for Sony to convince more devs to join the bandwagon.
webeblazing  +   436d ago
Thank you hes saying optimizing and people get a new buzz word and start to hit backflips. i guess you gotta keep the loyal dogs trained
3-4-5  +   436d ago
how so ? You can play PC & Console games. Most likely compatible with Mouse & Keyboard.

Don't have to worry about being compatible with games.
kewlkat007  +   436d ago
Hahahahaha....Is it time to take the Mic from this guy...

-I think he has been drinking too much Sony koolaid at this point and needs to be cut off.
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RedHawkX  +   436d ago
More customizations we call this playstation. its criminal mark cerny sending a message! subliminal!
ps4 ftw even before next gen begins. telll your friends it will turn them from gameing boys to mans.
Doctor_Freeman  +   435d ago
Its hard to believe because pc's customization potential is limitless on hardware and software.
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Software_Lover  +   436d ago
Really? WoW. I like the ps4 but this is just getting sad.
KrisButtar  +   436d ago
Did you read the article? its the same thing with every console, the games look/get better after time or do you think halo 3 looks better than halo 4 or uncharted looks better than uncharted 2, assassin's creed looks better than assassins creed 2, elder scroll 4 looks better than elder scrolls 5, well i think you get the idea The article was talking about how games will get better which happens with every console, so how is this sad?
webeblazing  +   436d ago
he s saying the sad part is how some gamer which is a lot on this site turn a simple thing thats been happening forever as a exclusive thing look at the top its getting kind of pathetic
EXVirtual  +   436d ago
He's techinically saying the full power will be unlocked over the years. It's just optimization. Remember 'Easy to learn, hard to master'. It's eady to develop for, but you just need to know and understand it more as time goes on for devs to use more and more of the PS4's power.
fsfsxii  +   435d ago
"Another one who didn't read the article"
Funny, eh?
Erudito87  +   436d ago
i love sony consoles and their games but this just simply isnt true. They took away the linux option on the ps3 and i doubt very much the ps4 will have it
thecurseddevil  +   436d ago
customization as in giving devs more flexibility in developement,
not giving users more customization options.
Foxgod  +   436d ago
Even tho i have a ps3, i really dislike the claims sony makes from time to time.
This is just outright not true, i bought my pc halfway last gen, its about the power of a next gen console now, but with a 400 Euro (New gpu + new memory) upgrade it will be twice the power of the ps4 and Xb1.

Which i will do around the time the next gen consoles are released.
How am i supposed to be able to do that with a console, making it twice as powerul?
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s8anicslayer  +   436d ago
Fact or fiction..how would you know if it has not hit the market yet? This is the lead PS4 engineer and he doesn't strike me as someone whom would make false accusations to only be made to look like a fool once the system is released and dissected and claims tested to be untrue. Take it as you will but either way this gen is going to exciting playing all next gen games and offerings!
Elit3Nick  +   436d ago
The thing is this statement applies to MS as well, I hate people that say things like this on PS articles but on Xbox articles they suddenly act like they work over there and try to downplay anything positive that is mentioned about the console. I'm not saying you're that type of person, just pointing that out.
Animal Mutha 76  +   436d ago
Some of the claims from Sony regarding the PS3 were very imaginative. MS did the same with Milo Kinect that's why until I see it running in a shop and I can play it I don't pay much attention to company reps who are obviously paid to sell the thing.

Edit: Disagrees? wow I thought that was a fair comment smh.
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hkgamer  +   436d ago
pshhh...

If you don't want disagree's then talk good about one console. The way it works around here :D
Utalkin2me  +   435d ago
Psshh, sorry you're butthurt and think trolling is necessary in your comments. Maybe add to the discussion instead of making comments that doesn't add to discussion and you might get more respect.
Angeljuice  +   436d ago
@Foxgod
Thats not what he's saying. He's saying that the modifications built into the hardware will give it a longer lifespan than standard pc parts. PC components are not built this way because they don't expect to have a 7 year + lifespan.

People believe that because it is based on pc architecture, it will be outdated in 2-3 years like a pc graphics card. Cerny is explaining the measures put in place to try and stop this happening.
starchild  +   436d ago
You're ignorant beyond belief. PC graphics cards do not become outdated in 2-3 years. An 8800gtx from around the time the PS3 came out can still play games at better framerates and with better image quality than the consoles.

Furthermore, simply making some modifications to a GPU or CPU is nothing new. The Xbox One also has modifications made to it (relative to similar PC parts).

But these consoles actually have fewer customizations than previous generations. They are far far closer to a standard PC setup than we have ever seen before.
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SpideySpeakz  +   436d ago
Didn't read the article I see.
Utalkin2me  +   436d ago
How about you read the article....My god how do you have 5 bubbles still.
Animal Mutha 76  +   436d ago
Er really???

I think he is referring to the software/driver side of things rather than the hardware although a fixed spec does allow consoles to perform at a higher performance level than the equivalent windows pc, but this is true of all the consoles and is not unique to PS4.

With the exception of the HDD and the camera plus the possibilities of wireless accessories its a fixed footprint. An upgradeable APU would just make it a PC in a dress.
black0o  +   436d ago
+1
Animal Mutha 76  +   436d ago
Cheers :)
PositiveEmotions  +   436d ago
I really dont care tbh i just want my ps4
Tatsuya  +   436d ago
I wouldn't believe this if it wasn't for Cerny. I trust this man and his words means the truth. Can't wait to get the most powerful console next-gen in my arms this holiday! The true power of the PS4 will be unleashed and I'll be one proud owner :)
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Animal Mutha 76  +   436d ago
That kind of unrestricted devotion is what's dangerous today (I blame Apple). I believed Randy Pitchfords intentions regarding ACM. Maybe you haven't been bitten yet?

For what its worth I hope the PS4 does live up to expectations as I want both next gen systems.
Gunsmoke  +   436d ago
You come across as a lunatic.

PS4 is the most powerful console? Could you post me a link detailing the specs of the One and PS4? Because I cant find any anywhere. All I can find is Sony propaganda pieces based off rumours designed to lure in idiots that will believe anything.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   436d ago
says the troll that joined 53min. ago.
Elit3Nick  +   436d ago
@PSN_ZeroOnyx First of all, your links don't work, second, they're just comparisons using the Xb1's rumoured specs, we will definitely see a difference with the final specs
ZeV  +   436d ago
Stop talking bullshits like that...Specs for each systems are known ! And the fact is : PS4 is more than 50% more powerfull than the X1 !

Wake up dude !
webeblazing  +   436d ago
im sure hes being sarcastic
Gimmemorebubblez  +   436d ago
Some people need to go out and gets some fresh air.
videogames  +   436d ago
lol, this is joke nothing beats High Performance gaming pc.
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WarThunder  +   436d ago
And your a joke for not reading the article...
ravinash  +   436d ago
Yes, but for the rest of us who don't want to invest the money on getting a high spec rig, this will do fine.
nikoado  +   436d ago
Stop linking to your blog in every post please. Reported as Spam.
iMaim  +   436d ago
Cerny, I love you but please, don't lie.
Azurite  +   436d ago
That's just how the writer of the story perceived it, not what Cerny actually said.

Cerny:
“There are all these customisations, such as what we did to the GPU and other parts of the system to ensure that they would really be these systems that programmers could dig into in year three or four of the console life-cycle.”

The writer added after this:
"Such customisation will allow the PS4 to expand with new capabilities moving forward across the next cycle, both meeting the demands of developers and reacting to new trends within the industry. As the base PS4 architecture will remain largely the same for years, developers will have a long time to get to grips with it, and slowly learn any new facets as they emerge."
Kayant  +   436d ago
Yep this statement has been over blown for no reason it's just stating the advantages of consoles compared to pc's in that it's a static hardware base which can be improve dramatically as the years go by once developers understand the architecture. Cerny here is just saying they have customisation it a bit more to future proof it more than just using off the shelf pc parts.
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Consoldtobots  +   436d ago
it's not so much learning the architecture as it is learning what to DO WITH IT. Such as ESRam running at a terabyte a second. That's some serious power but I would have to sit down for a few a months to figure out a framework that takes advantage of it.

oh that reminds me, to all the PC whores on here.....there isn't anything in the PC world that runs at a terabyte a second much less even half of that. so zip it u clowns.
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Wintersun616  +   436d ago
All you people talking about customizable hardware, bubbles down for off topic. Read the article.
Gimmemorebubblez  +   436d ago
People need to read the damn ARTICLE before commenting. Its not about hardware customization but software customization.
Kayant  +   436d ago
Well both next-gen consoles offer more customisation than a standardised PC in the sense that both are not just using off the shelf parts but have heavy customised APU's, etc that you wouldn't find anywhere.

People are mixing this with the idea of being able to customise a PC to their liking. Cerny is not referencing to that but to the additions they have done to futher improve the base hardware they have ( CPU, GPU, etc). He's saying the have customised that static base hardware to be easily scalable in the future,

The title of the article is just misleading.
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Bolts  +   436d ago
What this means is, after three to four years when PC and tablet technology have rendered PS4 hopelessly obsolete. Some poor dev can spend his precious time optimizing an outdated console to run the same scene as an iPad 8 can but at twice the resolution.
Ashunderfire86  +   436d ago
An the PC Master Race begins:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Hear the Master Race chant song at the 1:20 mark.

I know I know I will get some disgrees, but knows this we are all gamers and we all will have the best generation of games ever! The best on PC, PS4, X1, Wii U, PSVita, 3DS, and Tablets. The best thing is we all won't miss out on it. Heck PS3/360 is ending their generation with a bang! GTA 5!!!
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   436d ago
Lmao your post is very funny.
RevXM  +   436d ago
Read the damn article peeps, some of the comments are out of context with what Cerny actually ment.

He is basically saying that Ps4 is a x86-64 platform altered/customized so that Developers will not only unlock power/better results but also new features and techniques down the road.

And that is only the truth, the same goes for previous consoles as well.

First batch of Ps3 games typically didn't use the SPE's much, didn't have MLAA, Adaptive tesselation or SSAO to mention a few things.
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wishingW3L  +   436d ago
AMEN
dcj0524  +   436d ago
So I can take out the gpu and put a titan in it. Lol no. Sony calm down on the pr.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   436d ago
Please read, before commenting. He's talking about learning tricks, in the software -to do more,.. like every console that ever existed..
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wishingW3L  +   436d ago
yeah but now it's supposed to be easier because of more familiar architecture (x86) +other enhancements like unified Ram, etc.
Xsilvermist  +   436d ago
I will take mark Cernys word over anyone of u random guys in the comment sectipn who think they know it all, mark has won awards that says this guy is a genius and im pretty sure he wont destroy his name by giving false information and stop thinking pc the some type of gaming god when we both know the ps4 is built to be like a pc with modifications smh u guys are rediculous.
kevnb  +   436d ago
except Cerny didn't say that, some dummy journalist interpreted it that way.
sorane  +   436d ago
He'll tell you it gives free handjobs if it sells more systems. It's his job....
Goodfella78  +   436d ago
Well at the very least it will be very well optimised compared to pc,thats why im getting one to go with my amd gaming pc setup......
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FrightfulActions  +   436d ago
Would be phenomenal if this meant that we could download mods for our games. One of the biggest selling points for PC gaming for me has always been the mods. Once you've played one of your favorite games, like Skyrim, with mods... its really hard to go back to vanilla.
ZeV  +   436d ago
Mark Cerny is a GENIUS ! MS have to learn about that...At this point,they have failed on tech,price and PR speeches ! They've failed at all !
kingduqc  +   436d ago
Ps4 is locked down hardware.. Nice pr here sony
kevnb  +   436d ago
bad journalism, thats not what Cerny said at all.
Thomper  +   436d ago
Got to admit that I only got as far as the headline, but Shrek (aka: Cerny) just lost all credibility...

PC architecture is upgradable, ps4 isn't. He has become a parody of hisself.

Mark, stfu and make your bloody game ffs!!!!
SnotyTheRocket  +   436d ago
He's not talking about the hardware. Read the damn article.
Thomper  +   436d ago
I can't be arsed with the self proclaimed rubber faced Demi-God. Sick of hearing his camp voice.

I'm getting a PS4 anyway, I don't need to keep listening to his condescending PR drivel.

Go away
wishingW3L  +   436d ago
why don't you just take a minute or 2 to read the article? The tittle is just there for the hits like always. -__-

"PC architecture is upgradable"

I don't know from what dimension or planet you come from but PC architecture has been the same since when I was born. Windows has always been based on x86 and it wasn't until recently with Windows 8 that MS is finally supporting a new architecture, ARM.
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Thomper  +   436d ago
#yawn

Pc's are upgradable

Is that better, Mr Anal?

Lol @ "tittle". ;0)

Only pulling your leg dude - chiiiillllll
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a_squirrel  +   436d ago
Well, it looks like someone has achieved the greatness of being the first person I have ever added to my ignore list.

Congratulations 'Thomper', you have surpassed many in your journey.
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RetardedIceCream  +   436d ago
hard to believe this
Thomaticus  +   436d ago
Hip Hop Gamer broke this story last month! Shots Fired!
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