An "anonymous good Samaritan" has posted a $500,000 bail to get jailed League of Legends player Justin Carter out of prison, reports MSNBC.
That's good. The kid didn't deserve that harsh punishment for something that was clearly overblown.
That's complete bullshit actually. There's no reason someone has to pay 500 k to bail a kid out for a joke. It's ridiculous how overblown this is.
You're both right. The good samaritan did a nice thing, but no way should someone be jailed for something like that. The general scumbag public are to blame for this.
Yea, and the 500K is likely to go to some bullshit money-grubbing suits in some manner, however the justice system works these days. The paranoid will likely say the Illuminati, I don't even know. 'Government'.
You guys are forgetting who to blame here. Our friendly neighborhood, government of course. Next thing you know, you won't be able to fart in public because it is Bio-hazard/Chemical warfare. Ah the good times are coming. Remember, remember, the 5th of November.
@Razputin Someone has already been charged for farting... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I completely disagree. Freedom of speech should not be extended to forcing those who are listening into knowing whether or not someone is joking...especially when the jokes go to anonymous people. I think when people can be proven to have said things like this, a proper investigation should be made, and those people shouldn't be allowed to go running amuck while we try to figure out if they have the intent and the means to carry out their threat/joke. If this was a threat at the President, the government would respond just like they have here, if not worse. And a school full of kindergarteners (of which one of those children is mine) are certainly more valuable than a single life. So the government should take such threats just as seriously, at least. I've had my life threatened for real. I actually had to go into hiding because the police wouldn't do anything, even though I had evidence of the threat. You all don't realize what it's like to have to pack up your wife and three kids at 4am because someone is on their way to kill you. If any of you think we should be allowed to make "jokes" about threatening to kill, then you're wrong. Period. It's not a freedom of speech issue. It's a public safety issue. Make these jokes in privacy. Make them with close friends. But don't go out into public and make that sort of a threat. That's just ridiculous, immature, and insensitive. If you want to live freely, then act like you can handle the freedom responsibly. If you can't handle it, then you're going to forfeit the freedom. This wasn't a 14-year old. This was a 19-year old MAN. A GROWN MAN. He should certainly be expected to act like one. Otherwise, I want him off of my streets and away from my kids.
@inveni0 You aren't seriously suggesting you "packed up your wife and three kids at 4am" because SOMEONE at the internet said he was going to kill you?! Dude... The amount of times my mother has been defiled, I have been threatened with death, should've committed suicide, got to be the target of a terrible disease. This is the internet!!! If you take every little thing seriously.. You're gonna have a very bad time :P.
@WittyAdrian No, of course not. This was a legitimate threat. A "real" person. Someone with both the means and the "perceived motivation" to make such a threat. It was a real threat against me personally. However, if you compare that threat to the one this man made, he may have had both the means and the motivation to carry it out. And that's why it should be taken seriously.
@inveni0 Then its even more absurd you are comparing your situation to this one. First off, this is a kid. A DAMN KID!! Kids say stupid stuff all the time, don't take everything serious. How many times have you said you hated your parents as a kid? Those two persons you'd do everything for in the world if it'd come down to it... Second, he was never talking about anyone or any group of individuals specifically. He didn't say "oh I'll go to James Woods High and blabla." So there was never any actual threat to anyone. Third, if this dude had the means to do so then every freaking person has the means to do a lot of bad stuff, most of which they will threaten with on the internet. Does that mean every last thing should be taken seriously and punished by fcking jailtime?!?! NO!! Cause as long as you don't have a VERY good reason to believe the threat is justified (which you might have had, who am I to know) then it's still the internet and people are still saying stupid bullshit. So deal with it.
@Mounce You realize you get your bail money back right? Nobody but whoever bailed him out will get it, as long as he shows up to his hearing. And yeah, this is kind of stupid. At the same time, the kid made a retarded threat right after Newtown when tensions were pretty high. Don't fucking do that. Also, I'd like to know how this isn't excessive bail. 500k for a ridiculous case and somebody who isn't a flight risk is way too much.
@WittyAdrian I quit reading when you called him a "kid". He's a legal adult, and he should be expected to behave as such. And, yes, I WILL deal with it--by supporting the extensive investigation of people who threaten to kill our children in a public forum...even jokingly.
@ inveni0 - Sorry to hear about your situation. I hope that’s all behind you. When people make comments like this in a public domain then yes, it needs to be looked into. But I would expect the people looking into the situations would look at the facts and make appropriate decisions. Why set bail at $500k for a child or young adult I'll never know. It does seem that any one who does this sort of thing at the moment are being made an example of. Which I can't say I 100% disagree with because each time this happens, it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spent else where. Should the kid be charged - Yes. But there was little chance the kid was going to go on the run, so why set it so high to stop him living at home till the trial? Usually with people this age, once you know they weren't a real threat, taking away their PC and internet access is enough to teach them a lesson. of course I'm going on the suggestion that this is a kid who just made the comments for the fun of it or to get a reaction. I can't say if there were other details that we don't know about that made the police think he was a real risk.
This kid broke no law. There was no specific threat made, only a general joking reference to shooting up some random school. If I say "I'm gonna blow up a building! j/k lol", it's not the same as saying "I'm going to blow up the white house!" (disclaimer to the NSA/DHS/etc., the previous sentence was written as an example only, and is not in any way a threat). There are big differences between the two, one being legal, the other not. What we have here is what takes place when you let a nation get paranoid. It makes the sheep easier to herd. Everyone will bend over and give up their rights if you just scare em' a little. Look at how many amendments in the bill of rights have been raped since 9/11. 4th amendment is gone with the patriot act, second amendment is under fire, the right to due process is now gone, the supreme court nullified the fifth amendment's right to remain silent by saying silence can be used against you to infer guilt now, unlawful search and seizure is now lawful thanks to the TSA and the NSA archiving every digital communication we make, and the first has been tossed in the trash. Our press is being targeted by our government. Whistleblowers run for their lives after exposing the corruption that isn't obvious to us all (and goes ignored just like the stuff that is obvious, because we're all scared and they're doing it "to protect us"). Now a kid can't even make a joke in a video game without being thrown into solitary confinement for months, beaten, and driven to the point of having to be placed on suicide watch, all before even being given the chance to defend himself in a court of law.
@rdgneoz3 - West Virginia. Go figure. Cops suck here, lol.
Locking this kid up for doing what he did is very unconstitutional since we're all supposed to be protected by having freedom of speech. If this kid actually had weapons to make it a huge possibility that he's able to do that, then that's something else. We all get immature and it's very generous someoneone posted bail and gave this kid a second chance. How much was he going to serve, 10-15 years in prison? Some people are just tight 4sses and can never take a joke.
You know what I find scary. If he was joking about shooting some place up before. After this ordeal he may just want to do it for real. I mean come the heck on. Who here hasn't joked about shooting or killing. Lets face it, if you are a gamer... you have. And if you say you haven't. then your a damn liar who wants to put himself on a pedastool. Kids and young adults dont know the law. Hell most of them make blatant threats not knowing its illegal. You should'nt throw the book at them and turn them into real criminals just cause they had a poor choice in humor. I mean im not saying dont check on the situation, but honestly its getting to the point where your stepping on glass through everything you do in life being careful not to slip up. Its like getting pulled over by a cop. Your hoping you dont say something wrong or look suspiscious. Your hoping you dont get that cop who treats you like dirt cause he can and if you mention a curse word out of anger you get thrown in jail for threatening language. Thats what im afraid of... an absolute police state where everything you do is a mistake waiting to happen that can get you tossed in jail.
Really? You really think he was deemed a threat to the public and jailed for months with bail set at $500k because the police based it on just an internet post blown out of proportion? The arresting officers may have overreacted, that could happen, but this went in front of a judge at some point and based on the evidence presented that judge jailed him and set bail at half a million. There's not doubt in my mind we're not getting the entire story here. Obviously the police aren't in the habit of throwing kids into overcrowded jails for no reason. Even from the initial bail hearing complete court details have not been released. Why did the police, and the court, view the threat as credible? They found no weapons but was he trying to buy them online and failed? Was he researching bomb making equipment and printing out maps of schools in the area? We simply don't know. All we've got so far is the father's assertion that his son was joking. Do we have so little faith in the justice system that we actually believe a kid can be locked up for one, simple off color post? It's possible this is all a misunderstanding, but I think there's got to be something more in the court documents the police are refusing to release. Can any of you say you know the exact evidence of what the police have on him, and what the judge saw and not just the kid's father's opinion of what happened, or the tiny bits that the media have pounced on and reported? Those defending him would feel pretty stupid if they found out his seized computer revealed he had every intent to followup on his threats and had been planning this for months. Let's wait for all the facts to come out.
"Do we have so little faith in the justice system that we actually believe a kid can be locked up for one, simple off color post?" The comment was involving a school not that long after a shooting of a grade school occurred. Do I think someone picking at that wound could wind up in prison for a simple comment, while people are still terrified and panicky? Yes. HOWEVER, I *DO* have faith that once he sees trial, he won't be found guilty.
Wow you are ridiculously naive.
@ SilentNegotiator. I absolutely agree. Of course tensions are heightened when it comes to this type of threat, which no doubt played into his arrest. Then evidence was collected, this went before a judge and that judge set the bail for this nice, white kid with no previous convictions, in Texas, at the same level usually reserved for murders, rapists and firearms offenses. Look at it this way. One one hand you have police officers and members of the court, professionals there to keep us safe. On the other hand, a kid's father you know nothing about, other than even by his own admission, he's raised a douchebag. If you knew nothing else about this case and the kid was standing in front of you wanting to date your daughter, and the police/judges are telling you "That man is dangerous" and the father is saying "He's not dangerous", who's opinion are you going to go with? Of course, mistakes happen but given we don't know anything but what the father says as the police haven't released court documents, isn't it possible if not probable that there's more going on here? Everyone seems so certain that it's as cut and dry as the media is parroting it, but we simply don't know what the court and police know about this case. I'm just saying I don't know why people are rushing to defend this kid when they have no idea what actually happened or what the police have on him. I'm not going to defend the guy when I have no idea what the facts are. I'm frankly shocked so many are defending him without knowing what the hell the courts actually saw that had them level that huge bail in the first place. Public opinion is funny. It's just like that KimDotCom douche. The guy's a career criminal, has been tried and convicted of defrauding millions from investors with his schemes even after his hacking convictions stealing and selling phone cards and yet people rush to his defense like he's some sort of hero because he stood up to copyright people, completely ignoring his long, criminal past. No matter what he does from now on, how can you some look past the "Oh, hey! It's that convicted insider trader/fraudster who bilked millions out of investors after being convicted of other crimes." Oh! "But he's setup in Gabon now and he's totally legit!" Uh huh. It's like praising Robin Hood for handing out gold and forgetting the fact he's a 5 time rapist.
"I'm just saying I don't know why people are rushing to defend this kid when they have no idea what actually happened or what the police have on him" But then that's the thing; if we don't have additional details, we assume him innocent. You would think if there was even a SINGLE detail that would support the idea of him being deranged or a terrorist, they would have said SOMETHING to the public. I can understand your concerns that there might be unreleased details, but it's tough to even be suspicious of someone if there aren't details to say that we should be. ...I agree 100% about KimDotCom, though. Scumbag. Long, Looooooong history of thefts of all kind. He knew that running a site like that would mean lots of pirated material, being the scam artist that he is, and knew there was lots of money to be made in poorly regulating such a site.
You must have never been fucked over by the court system has happened many times before.
@ SilentNegotiator. Of course, innocent until proven guilty, but the police and courts still have a responsibility to reasonably protect the public's safety prior to the accused's day in court and they have to make a decision based on information that often isn't publicly available. The fact that they've gone through this process and set such a large bail says something about this kid's potential to harm as assessed by law enforcement professionals, whether he's guilty or not. I think you understand where I'm coming from. I'm just saying if the police and courts are concerned, why aren't we more concerned? Because his dad says we shouldn't be? @LAWSON72. Nope. I never have. Damn near 40 and not so much as a speeding ticket. And it's not because I've never had run ins with the police in my time.
some dumb kid making stupid jokes, doesn't warrant what this kid is going through! give him a lesson but for what it's worth, jailtime is not a worthy punishment for it as it's too much! and 500k bail too? that's seriously fucked up!
"Do we have so little faith in the justice system that we actually believe a kid can be locked up for one, simple off color post?" Yes. "One one hand you have police officers and members of the court, professionals there to keep us safe." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA....... <deep breath> ...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's adorable.
@ShwankyShpanky What can I say? I'm not a cynical kid. I'm a 40 year old professional with 2 kids of my own and a healthy respect for the job law enforcement officials and the courts do, and the tremendous sacrifices they make for our safety. If the courts and law enforcement believe this kid may be a threat to public safety based on the information they've been provided, I'm not going to second guess based on the opinion of the kid's dad. It's my belief that any thinking, rational adult would agree considering the facts aren't known to us at this point. If you take the kid's dad's word for it that his kid isn't a threat over the court and police's opinion, I don't know what to say to you. If all the kid did was make one stupid threat, I'd be inclined to agree that this treatment is ridiculous. But I don't know the details outside of the dad's story that the media keeps repeating. I'm frankly baffled by the amount of people willing to take this man's word his son isn't a threat over the opinions of the people who's job it is to protect us. The lack of faith in the justice system and law enforcement I'm witnessing here is disturbing. I've known many over the years in law enforcement I find it troubling that you people can call them heroes one moment and then turn around and completely dismiss their opinions the next. You think you can do better, step up and do their job. Until you do, you'll have to forgive me for respecting their opinions just a bit more than yours when it comes to matters of public safety, especially given the fact they're privy to facts about this case that neither you, I nor the media are aware of.
@darkride: Bully for you. I'm a cynical 33-year-old professional with two kids of my own that pays more attention to news and government than probably 95%+ of Americans, and my cynicism is totally justified.
If you say so. I'll still take the opinion of law enforcement over some douchebag's dad any day of the week when it comes to matters of public safety. I feel pity for you if you don't. I mean, even if it was just one joke like his dad says and that's all they have on him (again, we don't know because details haven't been released), considering the initial threat was to kill children, wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution before his trial? You must live in a much different, darker world than I do when you'd rather trust some stranger's opinion then the people you pay to protect the peace. Let's just hope this guy doesn't get the chance to carry out his threats.
I personally don't think he meant it, and it was a stupid joke. But he learned a harsh and valuable lesson. We're quick to forget tragedies that didn't personally effect us, but the Boston Marathon Bombing was only a few months ago. And a few months before that the Sandy Hook Elementary Massacre, and multiple mall shootings. Also The Dark Knight rises shooting and more over the years. People have a reason to be up in arms, and what happened to this man (19 years old is a legal adult in the US) was terrible, but it's a life lesson he'll never forget. Joking or not, it's never funny to make a death threat towards anyone, and he's old enough to know better. It'll get you jailed or killed, especially towards someone kids. Even though he didn't name anyone specifically the fact that he has something in him to even say something as ignorant as "I’m going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts." goes to show he's not all there mentally or at least in maturity (again he's too old for that). I mean what kind of person thinks of something like that, then says / post it online. Again it's horrible what's happened to him, but it's a hard lesson learned and honestly more people need to learn these kind of lessons, because this generation of kids are out of control.
This wasn't a kid. This was a grown man. A legal adult.
^^ difference between a man and a kid is not age.
@LoveOfTheGame Legally, it is. And we're dealing with a legal matter here. If we don't expect someone to act like an adult at 19, then we find ourselves selling weapons and drugs (like alcohol) to children. We MUST expect them to act as adults at 18. If they don't, we should certainly discourage further childish behavior. That's just the way it works. There comes a time to grow up and be a man. Maybe this guy will learn his lesson.