Hideo Kojima says that Rockstar's team are the best.
I think MGS5 and GTA5 are about the best of the best. I know without a doubt MGS5 has the most amazing graphics though.
I'm sorry I just can't agree with Kojima on this. Yea it takes BALLS to say that another persons creation is better than yours, and I respect that. GTA V looks amazing, this is so clearly true. BUT, I have never been so touched by a trailer, than I was with Phantom Pains extended E3 trailer. It IMMEDIATELY skyrocketed past every single game I have been excited for later this year and next year. I am a very long time fan of both major franchises, and I have to say MGSV looks to be one of the greatest experiences in existence. I don't get that from GTA V, but it definitely looks to be one of the top games for this year no doubt.
Exactly , MS made a huge mistake for putting it the first one . The others felt meh after that awesome trailer.
Now for me im the opposite. I have completely lost track of whos who in MGS. There are so many different characters with names that are so similar that i cant understand who they are talking about most of the time. To me GTA V looks to be the game of the Generation. It is every single game going rolled into one. But it also looks like each element has been carefully crafted to make sure everything stands up evenly. We also know how brilliant Rockstar are at story telling. They make likable characters that we can see traits of our selves in (not the criminal side) I guess for me its also down to the culture in the game. MGS is clearly a Japanese game, from the art design, story, humour and characters. While Grand Theft Auto to me has always felt very British and to me i guess that's why i prefer it. Because its such an over exaggerated parody of what life is like. Especially life in America.
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I'll have to disagree. Your word vs. The devs, i'll take theirs.
@Omi: I couldn't agree with you more. MGS4 is one of my favorite games ever. I could only follow parts of the story as there were so many loose ends to tie up in the MGS story arc. But there hasn't been a game that has touched me emotionally the way that one did. But this new GTA looks head and shoulders ahead of everything else technically and in immersion. Kojima is just being honest. GTAV does things developers have been wanting to do for years. If hes sad it's because he sees a feature(s) he wanted to add that he couldn't. Remember R* has loads of money and GTAV clearly had a HUGE budget, I doubt Kojima is working the same level of resources GTAV has. I'm pumped for both games honestly. Both studios have created some of the best games to grace our gaming consoles/PCs. @Muffins: Am I the only one on this site who doesn't see anything interesting about Knack?
My list: Knack MGS5 GTA5 The new final fantasy game...11?I think?lol watch dogs Battlefield 4
What MGS 5 will lack in scope and any graphical abilities will be balanced and compensated due to a robust and detailed storyline.
GTA and MGS are tied for my favorite franchise. I was happy to hear that MGSV was going to be open world. I really can't wait to see how an open world MGS game plays and feels like. When you look at the details of both MGSV and GTAV you just can't wait to play these games. I'm more excited for GTAV currently because of the trailer recently shown still has jaw on the floor. I can't really say one will be better than the other as they are essentially two different games. If it weren't for MGSV going open we wouldn't even be comparing the two as to which one will be better than the other.
I hope he is trolling. Rockstar games are the worst. Over five GTAs later "including handhelds" and the aiming still blows and there haven't been any memorable characters aside from the hookers.
I think GTA5 is what people wanted out of GTA4. I'm especially psyched about car customization, thinking that this probably means it's easier to hang onto the cars you love. *fingers crossed* I just hope they make navigating such a huge world not feel so stink'n overwhelming. That was my biggest complaint about San Andreas.
gta will slaughtermetal gear solid in everyway except for the cutscenes.
GTA V looks impressive and all. I am not sure on if I will get the game yet. Still on the fence about it. I think it would push me to buy the game if it were on the PS4. But I am most definitely hyped for MGS V, and my most anticipated game currently.
"greatest experiences in existence" Sorry , that would be The Last of Us . Nice try though.
The games are so far removed from each other it's hard to find any comparison.... But what they do have in common in my opinion is this. They are both at the very pinnacle of what a true quality game should be. They both don't mind spending whatever time it takes to make the game as perfect as possible. They tell stories very differently, but it's very clear that both games care about story telling and how it's told a lot more to other games. Both pay an unimaginable level of detail to the world they create and how you can interact with that world. They are the best examples of what most dev's should strive to achieve in terms of quality. they both arn't perfect, but they are as close to perfect as most games could even try to hope to get to. I bought the ps3 Just for MGS4 even though at the time I was not a big ps3 fan. That is how high I regard MGS. GTA5 is going to be my last game of this generation and I could not imagine leaving this gen on a bigger note then the one set by what I have seen from GTA5. If you looked up the word for "ultimate epic gaming experience" in Japanese you would see a picture of solid snakes face next to it. If you looked up the same word in US english you would see a GTA Logo.
He may be talking about the scope of the world,he made a similar comment about the division,we all know MGSV's advanced stealth mechanics like waiting for a sandstorm(that isn't scripted) to sneak around will offer much better gameplay than GTA's formula shooting, GTAV will have an amazing story but i have always seen Kojima's work to be the best, most well fitted into a game story telling,Also the story itself will probably be better.
Kojima is just really god damn humble and modest. He's got to have great passion that his child is perceived as better in the eyes of the fans. GTA never has stories that are obviously as engaging as MGS. GTA has the gameplay and pacing addictions. MGS has the lore, the history, the character immersion, music and of course, the story.
More stoked for MGS5 than I am for GTA V, honestly. GTA IV bored me to tears for some reason.
Japanese are so honest. that rocks.
MGS looks amazing, but GTA has longevity. If I had to spend $60 I want a game that keeps me locked in for weeks. After I beat MGS...it's back to another online shooter.
Comparing a next gen title to a current gen one graphically is a little harsh lol! Apples and oranges tbh imho.. you just can't compare GTA to MGS. I think GTA will offer more gameplay wise however I expect MGS5 to move me emotionally in a way GTA never could.
couldn't say it better
GTA games aren't my type personally, MGS5 is going to be on whole another level because simply it's a Kojima game but again, this is Kojima, a legend who is humble and down to earth :)
I think it is great Kojima is so humble. However neither of them are the best studio in my opinion, not even close. Both take huge budgets and upward of 5 years to make a single game. Do they make great and ambitious games, hell yes! But not the best teams by no means. GTA is an often overrated franchise in my opinion, and I got more out of MGS4 then GTA4 could even dream of offering me.
Mr Kojima is so humble. Not many developers out their that will openly admit that. I tip my hat to you sir. Seriously a disagree, why? You don't agree with that Kojima was being humble? Do you even know what the word means? Humble 1. Marked by modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful. I would also like to add, that both games are going to be great, and I will purchase both for my system. I don't believe that those two games are competing against each other, they are literally two totally different genre's. Yes they're both open world, but the game play styles and narrative are opposites. Aibreeze I agreed with your comment above. Mr.Kojima posted this on his twitter: "I don't think our "V" can reach that level. Rockstar's team are the best. W/o question they will pull up the possibility of game." I think he's referring to the amount of things you can do in GTAV, that trailer displayed numerous possibilities to play the game, different play styles, and activities to engage in. Whereas MGS V will have also have numerous things for the player to engage in, but probably not on the same level as GTA. Both games will rock, and I cannot wait to play them. Rockstar and Kojipro have excellent development teams.
Don't worry about the rogue disagrees. They're just trolls disagreeing with any comment for no reason at all. :] Happens all the time on here, no comment will have 0 disagrees for long lol.
Thanks Snook. :) I should just ignore it, but I always want to hear others opinions on why they think differently. I love to hear alternate opinions and open "healthy" discussions. It irks me when someone disagrees with me and does not tell me why, because I always want to know what others think. I want to hear what they have to say and discuss. That is one of the things I love about N4G, people will always claim it is a sony site, but it really isn't, the opinions are so diverse here. But you are totally right, they're rogue disagrees, it could be that he/she does not like my avatar or nick, did not like what I said on a previous topic, or like you said they are just going through hitting disagree on every comment to get a rise out of people. Anyway, I love to hear everyone's opinion.
this is how most japanese and japanese companies are so thats why we should support the ps4 and not the arrogant money money money MS console.
my friend its the first time ive given you a disagree :9
After playing The Last of Us I can safely say that I doubt Rockstar can beat ND in the story department.
Both games look great But if I had to pick 1 of them to play it would be mgs5
Agreed. That extended E3 Trailer was phenomenal. I like the mature themes. The futility of war; the duplicity of governments; the dehumanization of man; the emptiness of patriotism, etc. I have watched the trailer more than 20 times! Kojima -San is just being humble. I believe that his team is on equal footing with R*.
Both games will be amazing, i hope kojima bring the MGS legacy collection to xbox one (kojima said that was a posibility) so more people can experience the complete saga, can't wait for MGSV
No Game including Watch dogs will be able to compete with GTA-5's open world. They've made 5 games already, they know how to innovate and expand. Watch dogs is going to be more like L.A Noire. MGS5 is more about gameplay and story. Not stupid mini games and flying airplanes.
I think his comment was meant for the game's appeal to the masses. MGS in general doesn't appeal to as many people as GTA does. Thats all. It comes down to a matter of opinion. Plus they are 2 way different type of games.
Wow that's a big compliant coming from Kojima, that guy is one of the most amazing game makers.. So if he says Rockstar is the best.. I believe it.. .____........___... .____||......||.......|___|| ||.........___||............ ||
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Well gta 4 was one of the most overrated games ever so we will see what 5 brings.
True to Kojima... a very humble guy. Both will be excellent games. Looking forward to both actually, but I am more excited for Metal Gear.... I just likes what I likes!
Not without Hayter it won't. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and bought MGS Legacy collection on release. I'm assuming he's trolling with all the hints that have been left between the Moby Dick studios, Twitters, the fact that Sutherland is voicing Ishmael (possibly decoy octopus or a clone or big boss) and the cheesy footage filmed with Sutherland a mere 1 week prior to the announcement if you look at the timestamp.
The article is misinterpreting the translation of what Kojima said. MGS5 and GTA5 are totally different genres, with emphasis on different aspects and storylines. It is very impressive what Rockstar has done on this current gen hardware but Kojima hasn't ever done open world yet. It's just group hugs between these devs and all good for gamers.
Wow.... That means a lot coming from Kojima... Rockstar has outdone themselves it seems with GTA V. That said, I'm looking forward to both GTA and MGS V. I will buy them both on launch, no doubt.
It doesn't matter what they say, both games will be purchased. These two games are epic.
I've always been a fan of this guy. So humble..
both are LEGENDS, two of the greatest games, i prefer gta but mgs is one of my fav games, just a little step under gta i'll never forget MGS 2 and GTA 3 days, San Andreas and MGS 3 days and MGS 4 and GTA IV days can't wait for GTA V and MGS V
I have Nothing but respect for Hideo. It takes a big man to state that someone elses product is better. He never said that MGS V wont be epic, he just thinks that GTA V will be better. Alhough it is like comparing apples and oranges, at the end of the day it shows that he is still a fan.
This 1000x. Meanwhile, Peter Molyneux is somewhere making promises about how revolutionary the next Fable will be.
Can't believe you got disagrees for that. We need more developers like Kojima that have respect for each other and not people like Molyneux that just hype their product. If your product is good, hype comes by itself.
Naughty Dog need to learn from this man
As far as open world games - GTAV wins In terms of Graphics and Story - MGSV Wins Gameplay - Tie Overall - Gamers Wins
Story i think is a tie. While gameplay GTA V wins simply because there is such a vast array of things to do and all those things look to be designed with such attention to detail.
Hey omi, "Story is a tie" Didn't you just wrote "I lost track of who's who in MGS" in an above comment? I don't mean to disrespect your opinion, but if you don't have a good grasp of the characters (and thus the story arc), how do you make a comparison? I agree that there are too many characters and that there is a convoluted relation between them going on, but that's just the beauty of it and why we love MGS games. The story of MGS is one of the best stories in the gaming history if not (arguably) the absolute best. It's just in another league while GTA had always been gameplay centric. I don't even think they are comparable in terms of storytelling.
gameplay tie? hmmmm
Maybe he's hinting at mgs is going to be open world
It is an open world similar to red dead redemption.
Nice. Wonder how much stealth will be involved or will they throw that out the window.
@billythebarbarian You really need to go look at the new trailer released at E3
Or just check out the article... they posted the trailer in it.
Watch the trailer man, the stealth is still there in all it's glory.
Watch the trailer from Microsofts e3 conference. It looks incredible.
Its open world stealth. Remember the OGRE thing Kojima was working on, Open Ground (i forget the rest). MGS5 is Project OGRE. It's open world.
MGS5 don't have to be on GTA5 level. It's on another different level. I'm getting both games but I'm more excited for MGS5 than GTA5.
agreed man, I'm more excited for MGS5 than GTA5 :)
he always making games with GTA in mind i remember in one of his interviews before MGS3 he said that he wish if their is an engine that make open world games more approachable and realistic his example was GTA:VC
I take it he means interactivity with the open world element. GTA5 will have more stuff to do than MGSV. There are more cars and things to play with in GTA5. I'm basing this assumption off of the previous games I played. Gameplay wise though, MGSV seems to be more of an evolutionary step than GTA5. GTA5 just looks like more of the same, but prettier. whereas MGSV's open world element adds new things to do for that franchise. Driving stuff in an open world is new for MGS5 as well as dynamic sneaking around. Which one will be better? We have to play both to find out.
Both are day one , that's all it matter...
it's day -7 to me, games get released early in the middle east the last of us released june 2nd here
Yes but their going to abuse the price especially with GTA, remember GTA IV?