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Kojima Thinks Metal Gear Solid 5 Cannot Reach GTA 5's Level

Hideo Kojima says that Rockstar's team are the best. (Grand Theft Auto V, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, PS3, Rockstar Games, Xbox 360)

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The_Infected  +   946d ago
I think MGS5 and GTA5 are about the best of the best. I know without a doubt MGS5 has the most amazing graphics though.
BiggCMan  +   946d ago
I'm sorry I just can't agree with Kojima on this. Yea it takes BALLS to say that another persons creation is better than yours, and I respect that. GTA V looks amazing, this is so clearly true.

BUT, I have never been so touched by a trailer, than I was with Phantom Pains extended E3 trailer. It IMMEDIATELY skyrocketed past every single game I have been excited for later this year and next year.

I am a very long time fan of both major franchises, and I have to say MGSV looks to be one of the greatest experiences in existence. I don't get that from GTA V, but it definitely looks to be one of the top games for this year no doubt.
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Salooh  +   946d ago
Exactly , MS made a huge mistake for putting it the first one . The others felt meh after that awesome trailer.
omi25p  +   946d ago
Now for me im the opposite. I have completely lost track of whos who in MGS.

There are so many different characters with names that are so similar that i cant understand who they are talking about most of the time.

To me GTA V looks to be the game of the Generation.

It is every single game going rolled into one. But it also looks like each element has been carefully crafted to make sure everything stands up evenly.

We also know how brilliant Rockstar are at story telling. They make likable characters that we can see traits of our selves in (not the criminal side)

I guess for me its also down to the culture in the game. MGS is clearly a Japanese game, from the art design, story, humour and characters.

While Grand Theft Auto to me has always felt very British and to me i guess that's why i prefer it. Because its such an over exaggerated parody of what life is like. Especially life in America.
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FATAL1TY  +   946d ago | Well said
infamous second son wins
True Next Gen
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malokevi  +   946d ago
I'll have to disagree. Your word vs. The devs, i'll take theirs.
RememberThe357  +   946d ago
@Omi: I couldn't agree with you more.

MGS4 is one of my favorite games ever. I could only follow parts of the story as there were so many loose ends to tie up in the MGS story arc. But there hasn't been a game that has touched me emotionally the way that one did.

But this new GTA looks head and shoulders ahead of everything else technically and in immersion. Kojima is just being honest. GTAV does things developers have been wanting to do for years. If hes sad it's because he sees a feature(s) he wanted to add that he couldn't. Remember R* has loads of money and GTAV clearly had a HUGE budget, I doubt Kojima is working the same level of resources GTAV has.

I'm pumped for both games honestly. Both studios have created some of the best games to grace our gaming consoles/PCs.

@Muffins: Am I the only one on this site who doesn't see anything interesting about Knack?
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Muffins1223  +   946d ago
My list:
The new final fantasy game...11?I think?lol
watch dogs
Battlefield 4
pixelsword  +   946d ago
What MGS 5 will lack in scope and any graphical abilities will be balanced and compensated due to a robust and detailed storyline.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   946d ago
GTA and MGS are tied for my favorite franchise. I was happy to hear that MGSV was going to be open world. I really can't wait to see how an open world MGS game plays and feels like.

When you look at the details of both MGSV and GTAV you just can't wait to play these games. I'm more excited for GTAV currently because of the trailer recently shown still has jaw on the floor.

I can't really say one will be better than the other as they are essentially two different games. If it weren't for MGSV going open we wouldn't even be comparing the two as to which one will be better than the other.
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GeisT  +   946d ago
I hope he is trolling. Rockstar games are the worst. Over five GTAs later "including handhelds" and the aiming still blows and there haven't been any memorable characters aside from the hookers.
inveni0  +   945d ago
I think GTA5 is what people wanted out of GTA4. I'm especially psyched about car customization, thinking that this probably means it's easier to hang onto the cars you love. *fingers crossed* I just hope they make navigating such a huge world not feel so stink'n overwhelming. That was my biggest complaint about San Andreas.
RedHawkX  +   945d ago
gta will slaughtermetal gear solid in everyway except for the cutscenes.
Mainman  +   945d ago
GTA V looks impressive and all. I am not sure on if I will get the game yet. Still on the fence about it. I think it would push me to buy the game if it were on the PS4.

But I am most definitely hyped for MGS V, and my most anticipated game currently.
Killzoner99  +   945d ago
"greatest experiences in existence" Sorry , that would be The Last of Us . Nice try though.
DARK WITNESS  +   945d ago
The games are so far removed from each other it's hard to find any comparison....

But what they do have in common in my opinion is this.

They are both at the very pinnacle of what a true quality game should be.

They both don't mind spending whatever time it takes to make the game as perfect as possible.

They tell stories very differently, but it's very clear that both games care about story telling and how it's told a lot more to other games.

Both pay an unimaginable level of detail to the world they create and how you can interact with that world.

They are the best examples of what most dev's should strive to achieve in terms of quality.

they both arn't perfect, but they are as close to perfect as most games could even try to hope to get to.

I bought the ps3 Just for MGS4 even though at the time I was not a big ps3 fan. That is how high I regard MGS.

GTA5 is going to be my last game of this generation and I could not imagine leaving this gen on a bigger note then the one set by what I have seen from GTA5.

If you looked up the word for "ultimate epic gaming experience" in Japanese you would see a picture of solid snakes face next to it. If you looked up the same word in US english you would see a GTA Logo.
_QQ_  +   945d ago
He may be talking about the scope of the world,he made a similar comment about the division,we all know MGSV's advanced stealth mechanics like waiting for a sandstorm(that isn't scripted) to sneak around will offer much better gameplay than GTA's formula shooting, GTAV will have an amazing story but i have always seen Kojima's work to be the best, most well fitted into a game story telling,Also the story itself will probably be better.
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Mounce  +   945d ago
Kojima is just really god damn humble and modest. He's got to have great passion that his child is perceived as better in the eyes of the fans.

GTA never has stories that are obviously as engaging as MGS. GTA has the gameplay and pacing addictions. MGS has the lore, the history, the character immersion, music and of course, the story.
Ser  +   945d ago
More stoked for MGS5 than I am for GTA V, honestly. GTA IV bored me to tears for some reason.
SirKilla  +   945d ago
Japanese are so honest. that rocks.
Syntax-Error  +   945d ago
MGS looks amazing, but GTA has longevity. If I had to spend $60 I want a game that keeps me locked in for weeks. After I beat's back to another online shooter.
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aiBreeze  +   946d ago
Comparing a next gen title to a current gen one graphically is a little harsh lol!

Apples and oranges tbh imho.. you just can't compare GTA to MGS. I think GTA will offer more gameplay wise however I expect MGS5 to move me emotionally in a way GTA never could.
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evilhasitsway  +   946d ago
couldn't say it better
j-blaze  +   945d ago
GTA games aren't my type personally, MGS5 is going to be on whole another level because simply it's a Kojima game
but again, this is Kojima, a legend who is humble and down to earth :)
itBourne  +   945d ago
I think it is great Kojima is so humble. However neither of them are the best studio in my opinion, not even close. Both take huge budgets and upward of 5 years to make a single game. Do they make great and ambitious games, hell yes! But not the best teams by no means.

GTA is an often overrated franchise in my opinion, and I got more out of MGS4 then GTA4 could even dream of offering me.
Gameatholon  +   946d ago
Mr Kojima is so humble. Not many developers out their that will openly admit that. I tip my hat to you sir.

Seriously a disagree, why? You don't agree with that Kojima was being humble? Do you even know what the word means?


1. Marked by modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful.

I would also like to add, that both games are going to be great, and I will purchase both for my system. I don't believe that those two games are competing against each other, they are literally two totally different genre's. Yes they're both open world, but the game play styles and narrative are opposites.

Aibreeze I agreed with your comment above.

Mr.Kojima posted this on his twitter:
"I don't think our "V" can reach that level. Rockstar's team are the best. W/o question they will pull up the possibility of game."

I think he's referring to the amount of things you can do in GTAV, that trailer displayed numerous possibilities to play the game, different play styles, and activities to engage in. Whereas MGS V will have also have numerous things for the player to engage in, but probably not on the same level as GTA.

Both games will rock, and I cannot wait to play them.

Rockstar and Kojipro have excellent development teams.
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Snookies12  +   946d ago
Don't worry about the rogue disagrees. They're just trolls disagreeing with any comment for no reason at all. :]

Happens all the time on here, no comment will have 0 disagrees for long lol.
Gameatholon  +   946d ago
Thanks Snook. :)

I should just ignore it, but I always want to hear others opinions on why they think differently. I love to hear alternate opinions and open "healthy" discussions.

It irks me when someone disagrees with me and does not tell me why, because I always want to know what others think. I want to hear what they have to say and discuss. That is one of the things I love about N4G, people will always claim it is a sony site, but it really isn't, the opinions are so diverse here.

But you are totally right, they're rogue disagrees, it could be that he/she does not like my avatar or nick, did not like what I said on a previous topic, or like you said they are just going through hitting disagree on every comment to get a rise out of people.

Anyway, I love to hear everyone's opinion.
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RedHawkX  +   945d ago
this is how most japanese and japanese companies are so thats why we should support the ps4 and not the arrogant money money money MS console.
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Bluepowerzz  +   945d ago
my friend its the first time ive given you a disagree :9
Cam977  +   945d ago
After playing The Last of Us I can safely say that I doubt Rockstar can beat ND in the story department.
MizTv  +   945d ago
Both games look great
But if I had to pick 1 of them to play it would be mgs5
Tru_Ray  +   945d ago
Agreed. That extended E3 Trailer was phenomenal. I like the mature themes. The futility of war; the duplicity of governments; the dehumanization of man; the emptiness of patriotism, etc. I have watched the trailer more than 20 times! Kojima -San is just being humble. I believe that his team is on equal footing with R*.
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RM-TatoTiburon  +   945d ago
Both games will be amazing, i hope kojima bring the MGS legacy collection to xbox one (kojima said that was a posibility) so more people can experience the complete saga, can't wait for MGSV
gamedebater  +   945d ago
No Game including Watch dogs will be able to compete with GTA-5's open world. They've made 5 games already, they know how to innovate and expand. Watch dogs is going to be more like L.A Noire. MGS5 is more about gameplay and story. Not stupid mini games and flying airplanes.
Peppino7  +   945d ago
I think his comment was meant for the game's appeal to the masses. MGS in general doesn't appeal to as many people as GTA does. Thats all. It comes down to a matter of opinion. Plus they are 2 way different type of games.
Crazyglues  +   945d ago
Wow that's a big compliant coming from Kojima, that guy is one of the most amazing game makers.. So if he says Rockstar is the best.. I believe it..

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bayonetta  +   945d ago
Like and Dislike everywhere XD
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   945d ago
Well gta 4 was one of the most overrated games ever so we will see what 5 brings.
Tapewurm  +   945d ago
True to Kojima... a very humble guy. Both will be excellent games. Looking forward to both actually, but I am more excited for Metal Gear.... I just likes what I likes!
yeahokchief  +   945d ago
Not without Hayter it won't.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt and bought MGS Legacy collection on release. I'm assuming he's trolling with all the hints that have been left between the Moby Dick studios, Twitters, the fact that Sutherland is voicing Ishmael (possibly decoy octopus or a clone or big boss) and the cheesy footage filmed with Sutherland a mere 1 week prior to the announcement if you look at the timestamp.
bligmerk  +   945d ago
The article is misinterpreting the translation of what Kojima said. MGS5 and GTA5 are totally different genres, with emphasis on different aspects and storylines. It is very impressive what Rockstar has done on this current gen hardware but Kojima hasn't ever done open world yet. It's just group hugs between these devs and all good for gamers.
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Snookies12  +   946d ago
Wow.... That means a lot coming from Kojima... Rockstar has outdone themselves it seems with GTA V. That said, I'm looking forward to both GTA and MGS V. I will buy them both on launch, no doubt.
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rezzah  +   946d ago
It doesn't matter what they say, both games will be purchased.

These two games are epic.
Awesome_Gamer  +   946d ago
I've always been a fan of this guy. So humble..
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ape007  +   945d ago
both are LEGENDS, two of the greatest games, i prefer gta but mgs is one of my fav games, just a little step under gta

i'll never forget MGS 2 and GTA 3 days, San Andreas and MGS 3 days and MGS 4 and GTA IV days

can't wait for GTA V and MGS V
refocusedman  +   946d ago
I have Nothing but respect for Hideo. It takes a big man to state that someone elses product is better. He never said that MGS V wont be epic, he just thinks that GTA V will be better. Alhough it is like comparing apples and oranges, at the end of the day it shows that he is still a fan.
JonnyBigBoss  +   946d ago
This 1000x.

Meanwhile, Peter Molyneux is somewhere making promises about how revolutionary the next Fable will be.
ZodTheRipper  +   946d ago
Can't believe you got disagrees for that. We need more developers like Kojima that have respect for each other and not people like Molyneux that just hype their product. If your product is good, hype comes by itself.
j-blaze  +   945d ago
Naughty Dog need to learn from this man
Pancit_Canton  +   946d ago
As far as open world games - GTAV wins

In terms of Graphics and Story - MGSV Wins

Gameplay - Tie

Overall - Gamers Wins
omi25p  +   946d ago
Story i think is a tie. While gameplay GTA V wins simply because there is such a vast array of things to do and all those things look to be designed with such attention to detail.
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Braid  +   945d ago
Hey omi,

"Story is a tie"

Didn't you just wrote "I lost track of who's who in MGS" in an above comment?

I don't mean to disrespect your opinion, but if you don't have a good grasp of the characters (and thus the story arc), how do you make a comparison? I agree that there are too many characters and that there is a convoluted relation between them going on, but that's just the beauty of it and why we love MGS games.

The story of MGS is one of the best stories in the gaming history if not (arguably) the absolute best. It's just in another league while GTA had always been gameplay centric. I don't even think they are comparable in terms of storytelling.
ape007  +   945d ago
gameplay tie?

BillytheBarbarian  +   946d ago
Maybe he's hinting at mgs is going to be open world
Pancit_Canton  +   946d ago
It is an open world similar to red dead redemption.
BillytheBarbarian  +   946d ago
Nice. Wonder how much stealth will be involved or will they throw that out the window.
Transporter47  +   946d ago

You really need to go look at the new trailer released at E3
Sono421  +   945d ago
Or just check out the article... they posted the trailer in it.
EdoubleD  +   946d ago
Watch the trailer man, the stealth is still there in all it's glory.
omi25p  +   946d ago
Watch the trailer from Microsofts e3 conference. It looks incredible.
SnotyTheRocket  +   945d ago
Its open world stealth. Remember the OGRE thing Kojima was working on, Open Ground (i forget the rest). MGS5 is Project OGRE. It's open world.
HappyWithOneBubble  +   946d ago
MGS5 don't have to be on GTA5 level. It's on another different level. I'm getting both games but I'm more excited for MGS5 than GTA5.
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j-blaze  +   945d ago
agreed man, I'm more excited for MGS5 than GTA5 :)
PSjesus  +   946d ago
he always making games with GTA in mind i remember in one of his interviews before MGS3 he said that he wish if their is an engine that make open world games more approachable and realistic his example was GTA:VC
TuxedoMoon  +   946d ago
I take it he means interactivity with the open world element. GTA5 will have more stuff to do than MGSV. There are more cars and things to play with in GTA5. I'm basing this assumption off of the previous games I played. Gameplay wise though, MGSV seems to be more of an evolutionary step than GTA5. GTA5 just looks like more of the same, but prettier. whereas MGSV's open world element adds new things to do for that franchise. Driving stuff in an open world is new for MGS5 as well as dynamic sneaking around.

Which one will be better? We have to play both to find out.
Salooh  +   946d ago
Both are day one , that's all it matter...
ape007  +   945d ago
it's day -7 to me, games get released early in the middle east

the last of us released june 2nd here
mafiahajeri  +   945d ago
Yes but their going to abuse the price especially with GTA, remember GTA IV?
-Gespenst-  +   946d ago
I appreciate his honesty in this age of deceptive advertisement, but I'd still pick MGS over GTA every time.
id pick metal gear solid over gta too. .......actually id pick any game over gta.
ape007  +   945d ago
truly doubt you being a true gamer, gta is one of the few games in the industry that shows what gaming is all about
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@ape007: its the same effing game as the last one. every time the same stupid missions. follow this guy in a car, do a drive by to this guy. im more of a gamer than you to effing see that with the same wannabe gangster plot everytime so if thats what you think gaming is all about your a sucker. i stop playing gta after gta 3.
CLOUD1983  +   946d ago
No matter how good GTA V will be experiences like the one I get from every MGS game I'll never find anywhere else, MGS is the only game series that keep the standards at the TOP for more than 15 years now & keep deliver with every new sequel/prequel/spinoff constantly, it never disappoint & that's why more than 6 millions fans follow the series & buy every new MGS game they can find, Hideo have nothing to fear he is a genius & he have our trust & support in anything he decide to do :)
ape007  +   945d ago
gta can give a true gameplay/substance feel that make mgs feel shallow, 2 different games

"MGS is the only game series that keep the standards at the TOP for more than 15 years now & keep deliver with every new sequel/prequel/spinoff constantly, it never disappoint"

umm, what about mario, zelda and metroid? nothing against mgs, it's legendary but there are others too
mafiahajeri  +   945d ago
All those you listed have either milked their franchises dry or have been in hiatus for way to long, hes right MGS is always top notch and Konami Pace themselves brilliantly with the series, its not the only one but certainly top 3.
SnotyTheRocket  +   945d ago
And with every MGS game, the gameplay changes. MGS3 to MGS4 is an Example, and to a lesser extent, MGS4 to Peacewalker. They just keep getting better and better, and they've never messed up.
My_Outer_Heaven  +   946d ago
GTAV needs to be on next gen systems.. MGSV looks incredible and I can't wait to play that on PS4.
Xx-ADITYA-xX  +   946d ago
Well, you don't say?
MisfitsInc  +   946d ago
i'll take MGS over GTA, but that's just my feelings
MeatAbstract  +   946d ago
Big difference being - GTA V will be a game to have fun in. Do the story, then you run over pedestrians and blow up cop cars.

MGS 5 will have a convoluted story and cutscenes that will put some of Peter Jacksons film running times to shame. You'll play for the story and those special moments. Will the open world of MGS 5 be full of stuff to do? In the trailer he just rode on a horse and they had to fast forward because nothing was happening. It looked impressive, for sure but I doubt it'll have the amount of 'time sink' activities that we've seen in other games. We shall see though.
omi25p  +   946d ago
Dont forget the mutliplayer and the RPG elements that are being implemented in to GTA V that will no doubt add days of gameplay.
MeatAbstract  +   946d ago
Oh of course. My point being is GTA has much more to do than just the story side of it and you often play it for humor and to kill your friends online etc. It's something you'll pop in a few months down the line to have a killing spree and maybe jump online

MGS has a long, long story behind it or characters we know. I can imagine, much like MGS4, play the story through 2, maybe 3 times and then having my fill of it. I know there will be fans that have played through the games probably 150+ times and found all the easter eggs or whatever but, personally, GTA always keeps me coming back to have a 'quick blast'
Hicken  +   945d ago
I find that when most people say a story is convoluted, they really mean they don't have the attention span to follow it all.
MeatAbstract  +   945d ago
Way to sound really pretentious. Because calling the MGS story convoluted and contrived, it's quite clearly a case of "You don't get it!" am I right?
karl  +   946d ago
if i had both game.. i wouldnt even touch GTA5 till i finish MGSv at least two times...

then i would play the hell outta rockstars game...
Silly gameAr  +   946d ago
I know that Kojima has a lot of respect for other devs in the industry, but what the hell has been up with him lately?
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TheOneEyedHound  +   946d ago
I know.
Cryptcuzz  +   945d ago
What do you mean? Honest question, haven't been following up with all the news lately. Thanks in advance.
KingKevo  +   946d ago
He's honest and realistic, I like that. Both games will be great but I agree with Kojima saying that R* North are pretty outstanding.
plaZeHD  +   946d ago
I never got into the Metal Gear Solid series. I bought Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots, but I hated the gameplay, not my style. And artistically the visuals are not appealing.
evilhasitsway  +   946d ago
are you kidding me did you ever play any of the other mgs games if not go play them some of the best games ever! and "visuals are not appealing" please mgs games have had some of the best graphics of there time all the way back on ps1 ps3 and on ps3 mgs4 has some really good graphics and as for the gameplay of mgs4 yeah it got away from all the stealth but was still a GREAT GAME.
Npugz7  +   946d ago
Way to throw your studio under the bus! I'm sure that not what they would want to hear while they are developing MGS5.
SpitFireAce85  +   946d ago
This is a japanese dev with a lot of respect for other studios
Jamaicangmr  +   946d ago
Humility, i respect that.
GEO9875  +   946d ago
Gotta give him probs for been so honest, but really. This is not good marketing for the game, especially coming from the mastermind himself. But eh, mgsv doesnt need marketing, people are gonna buy it even if it has 23 on metacritic
Campy da Camper  +   946d ago
They could ban the game in this country and I would find some shady folks to get it for me on the black market.
monkey48  +   946d ago
I can tell you all one thing, its great to be a gamer.
evilhasitsway  +   946d ago
ok now that I have read that article I will say this mgs and gta games is the two series that have keep me a gamer since ps1 I have deep respect for both. to me nether are better than the other. both have always been two different type of games if mgs5 goes back to stealth ways it will be epic. and gta5 yes I will say it looks to have more freedom but sometimes giving all that freedom at the very begging of a game could also ruin it. with that said gta will hold me off till next gen cant wait.
MonChiChi  +   946d ago
Very obvious, Rockstar has set the bar for open world, always has. As soon as they announced mgs5 to be open world, I said no way it will even come close to what GTA5 open world is.

Rockstar doesn't use the words "open world" just for hype. I respect Kojima but I think he went out of his element for mgs5, hope I eat my own words but we will see.
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Agent_hitman  +   946d ago
Mr. Kojima s a well respected guy, he earned my respect..
Neemoney  +   946d ago
Jeez, is this whole page filled with rockstar fans? Everything that demotes gta 5 is completely bashed with "Disagrees" lol
nix  +   946d ago
not if the GTAV goes the GTAIV way...GTAIV was utterly boring game.

but Kojima is just too honest and humble.
redcar121  +   945d ago
mgs has nothing on gta sorry man
animegamingnerd  +   945d ago
we need more developers like kojima and less like cliffy b
Nicholasgliss  +   945d ago
Also, less like the arrogant David Jaffe.
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