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Submitted by TheVideoGamHer 385d ago | article

Petitioners Plead With Microsoft To Bring Back Xbox One's Restrictive Features

Petitioners are pleading with Microsoft to bring back restrictions that were originally outlined for the Xbox One. (Next-Gen, Tech, Xbox One)

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RmanX1000  +   385d ago | Well said
Isnt it illegal to be this stupid?
Godmars290  +   385d ago
As illegal as a Darwin award...

And just as immediately self-correcting/punishing.

edit:
Sorry for any slowness on my part. This news made my brain turn off as an act of self-preservation. Or shattering of faith.
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BadboyCivic  +   385d ago | Funny
Some Xbox gamers are making the evolutionary step back into primates.
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xHeavYx  +   385d ago
It must be PlayStation fans in disguise. I can't imagine anyone seriously wanting that
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Qrphe   385d ago | Immature | show
DragonKnight  +   385d ago
There isn't a facepalm epic enough for this. Even Tommy Lee Jones' Implied Facepalm isn't enough to describe the absolute mind boggling stupidity that this is. This is enough to drop the collective I.Q. of the world by at least 20 points. I can't believe that there are people this stupid who want a company to do this to them.
n4rc  +   385d ago
And I can't believe some people are so naive and arrogant that they pass their juvenile and uncalled for insults off as some sort of fact..

The more you speak, the dumber some of you get..
RyuCloudStrife   385d ago | Immature | show
BluEx610  +   385d ago
What's wrong with these people??? They act like they still can't buy all their games digitally. And not worry about discs or disc swapping. Cloud computing is still a feature. What do they want, family share plan? There's time I would gladly lend a game to a co worker, but that co worker is not close enough to me to be in my family share list.

As a consumer I like to have choices in how I can buy my products. Sometimes I buy my books digitally, but it's never the same, so I always go back to reading in the old school paper way. I got a collection of comics which one day, I would like to give to my son. Got some rare comics in there also. If it was all digital, my rare comics are not rare anymore. I'm the kind of guy that still reads a newspaper, but also enjoy reading news on my tablet. I like to go to book stores instead of shopping on my kindle....

I don't know why we must stick with one or the other. Why can't we have the option for both? Stupid fanboys, trying to ruin consumers options to buy. I like both digital and physical. They both got their pros/cons.

Where do I sign a petition to take out Kinect? That's what I would want.
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abzdine  +   385d ago | Well said
that thing is coming back, with or without petition.

but i have to admit this is the funniest thing i've ever heard
ZodTheRipper  +   385d ago
"It must be PlayStation fans in disguise."

Like we care. Even with there being so many arguments against Xbox this time there will always be those that will buy it no matter what.
JohnnyBadfinger  +   385d ago
It's obviously a trolling petition. I lold at the "major nelson impersonator"

And if you actually go to the petition everyone signing it are saying they are doing it to help the ps4. Though it being a non official petition set to 500 signatures its obviously fake started for gaming sites to make hits. Probably that trustful unbiased real gamers site playstationlifestye.com or whatever they call them selves.

Woo PS4!!! Is the best!
Insomnia_84   385d ago | Bad language | show
mewhy32  +   384d ago
Oh this is just crazy. LOL
Saigon  +   384d ago
And some wonder why PS fans act the way they do...Really, did someone really do this!!!
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   384d ago
I bet most of them are developers, lol. Or Sony fanboys trolling to the infinite degree...
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TheOneEyedHound  +   384d ago
@QRPHE

If I typed that same comment I would of gotten banned for a week.
miyamoto  +   384d ago
Insanity at its Worst!
Can someone tell me what kind of world do we live in?

I don't know what to believe anymore.

No facepalm no matter how dual or how big hands are can ever wipe away this nightmare Xbone has brought into the world.

Don "Xbox Destroyer: Mattrick look at what you have done!

You want to turn everyone into a brain dead lunatics.
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solidjun5  +   384d ago
Where's my Captain Picard meme?
abradley  +   384d ago
I think these people must just really want those features that MS took away along side the massive DRM issue.

You know, the family sharing and stuff. Well petitioners, if you want those features, ask for em, don't go and ask for the restrictions back. That's stupid.
fr0sty  +   384d ago
My only logical explanation is that these fanboys bought into the MS spin about their DRM so hard that when even MS was forced to change their ways, their little delusion was shattered and now they're running around confused and asking why.
nukeitall  +   384d ago
As an online gaming platform, MS implementation was the least restrictive considering you could:

* share your digital library with 10 people instantanously
* trade-in your digital library
* give/sell the digital library away

For that to work, MS needs to be able to remove the game and know that it is removed (not just trust you) and that is why they need the 24-hour check-in.

Tell me of any other platform that gives you that sort of digital freedom?

I cannot think of a single platform that does! Not even Steam which is the holy grail of digital games! Heck, even on Steam a large number of games are not playable offline.

This was the future, and now we are back in the physical disc stone age. We had options, an always online console with Xbox One and physical disc with PS4 and Wii U.

Now the loud minority whiners eliminated the option for everyone by peeing in the pool they weren't going to use anyhow!
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   384d ago
^^^

***"As an online gaming platform, MS implementation was the least restrictive considering"***

But it was the most restrictive in regards to physical games. Some wanted more freedom with digital content at the expense of physical freedom while others feel what we have in place now is better than what MS was offering.

***"Now the loud minority whiners eliminated the option for everyone by peeing in the pool they weren't going to use anyhow!"***

Microsoft didn't listen to people's complaints, but rather listened to their wallets. Do you think MS would have removed all of their restrictive polices if preorders were on par with PS4 or out pacing it? If people complained, but preorders reflected the opposite of that MS would have kept their XB1 vision in tact.

Microsoft's main reasoning for removing it was to remain competitive. Those that didn't want a restrictive console didn't preorder it and now you are blaming them for that? What happened to if don't like it don't buy it, huh? Well, people did just that and MS was forced to decide on whether they should wait until the XB1 hit the mass market to see if the masses would accept XB1 before deciding to reverse their policies or if they should reverse it now. They untimely concluded that the latter was best for them. It is what it is. This is how business with competition works.

In the end, the consumer will dictate what the future is! As of right now most people still buy physical discs. This may change next gen however with every game having a digital version day one now.
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Baka-akaB  +   384d ago
Between that and idiots applauding Nintendo's previous decision of blocking Smash bros streams from EVO , i dunno wich is worse ....
nukeitall  +   384d ago
@Outside_ofthe_Box:

The not buying was a result of the bashing it took, with so much mis-information spread.

Obviously so much whining without nothing what it is going to ultimately affect sales.

Granted MS didn't help themselves, but this was definitely the media mis-reporting and the whining talking.

People was fine with digital media for ages, under much more restrictions. It's sad and I will probably buy my games digitally, but won't be able to readily share it.

Thank you whines and the media for pissing in the pool you weren't going to use!
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   384d ago
***"The not buying was a result of the bashing it took, with so much mis-information spread.

Obviously so much whining without nothing what it is going to ultimately affect sales."***

Oh so now the "minority" can affect sales huh? What happened to the "hardcore minority scream the loudest", but the opposite happens as the world keeps spinning when it comes to actual content sold?

What it ultimately boils down to is that most didn't want a console that mandates internet for *any* amount of period of time and didn't want their physical games anymore restricted than what is present today even if we get more flexibility with digital content as benefit. There is no way you can say that the media misrepresented those key concerns.

And yes, people are fine with the way digital content is handled currently which is why nobody is really losing sleep over the benefits that could be had with Microsoft's original policy. What people really didn't want was for discs to be more restricted than they are now. That's what people were upset about.

You also seem to think that the only people that weren't going to buy the XB1 in first place were the ones complaining. If all Xbox gamers were okay with MS' original policies surely XB1 would have sold a lot more initially.
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fear88  +   384d ago
Dude. Never go full-retard.
ShinMaster  +   384d ago
And here I thought Nintendo fans were the crazy ones.
lol
N4Flamers  +   384d ago
@nukeitall

Your comment borders on senseless. You claim that a 24 hour check in was necessary for a digital library but the fact that it is a digital library means that you have to be online to utilize any of the features you mentioned. That renders a check in unessesary.

Would say that you forgot about how ms was going to limit where you can trade in your games but I think you remember. I think you remember how they attempted to tell people who they can lend their games to and how many times.
Unfortunately there is a cheaper more powerful alternative with none of the restrictions and people were flocking to it. The bottom line is that ms changed their tune because of the bottom line. The console was not going to be profitable.
dboyman  +   384d ago
When I hear of something like this, why does it remind me of something from that 2006 movie "Idiocracy"?
Commandar_Shepard  +   385d ago
"YES MICROSOFT, PLEASE GO BACK TO TAKING OUR RIGHTS AWAY!!!!!!!"

It's pathetic really. They're calling it Steam for Xbox. Steam actually lets you play offline for however long you want though.
Hufandpuf  +   385d ago
That's not true. Steam makes you sign online in order to switch to online mode. You can't start in offline mode
HammadTheBeast  +   385d ago
^
Well that's granted, how else would you download games?
zeal0us  +   385d ago
@Hufandpuf
If you don't have a connection you can in fact start in offline mode. Though eventually the user would have to go online depending on titles.
I remember during Hurricane Sandy my internet was out for two months. I was able to stay offline(in Steam) the entire time and play most of my games.

"Steam makes you sign online in order to switch to online mode."

Makes sense since you're most likely trying to access online features if you're signing in. XBL and PSN also does this if you are trying to access online features.
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CoLD FiRE  +   385d ago
Not completely true. You have to sign in online first and MANUALLY switch to offline mode before you're able to play offline and not to mention there are random bugs that cause games to stop working offline after two weeks (it doesn't always occur but there are many reports around the internet and it affects a large number of people).
Rockstar  +   385d ago
M$ is coming up with a new bundle, it's called the
XBox One Lube Me Up Edition. You'll get everything you normally would plus the DRM! For the low, low price of 599! Tagline for the bundle is "Get ready to bend over!"

:p
humbleopinion  +   384d ago
Actually steam doesn't only force you to login first to go to offline mode, but also requires re-authentication every 10 days or so.

The actual differences between the XBone and steam is that trading in and selling physical copies of games was still allowed (under some restrictions), and sharing your library with family was also possible. But Steam is indeed one great example of the transition to digital is greatly benefiting the entire PC ecosystem.

This was the best of both worlds for people who wanted transition do digital with added benefits: The people who didn't want that and remain attached to physical discs could have simply got a PS4 instead. It's not a worse console, now is it?

But instead we got an overwhelming backlash from many, including trolls who never intended to purchase the console anyway. And now we're left with basically two consoles working the same way. Way to ruin choice for everyone.
marcelliuss1  +   384d ago
@Commander_Shepard, for one Microsoft was not taking anyone's rights away they where trying to pave a new lane into a digital future by trying something that has never been done on a console before. Plus why do you think it's pathetic when you see a group of people want something that you don't like and was ( in my opinion) a good idea, that ether wasn't explained properly or some gamers are just too slow to comprehend.

On top of the, with the X1 you still had all of the benefits of physical discs that you could still trade in if you wanted too. Like they said it was steam for Xbox the only difference was on could be played offline and the other couldn't. They both required you to check in every once in a while to authenticate and make sure you wasn't installing the game and then trading it in a GameStop for a cheap discount( if you got it new) or free( if you got it used). Also that system was put in place for security reason just in case dumb ass people ever decided to try to hack their systems.

Overall, I hope they do bring it back. But not make it all or nothing. I see people all the time bitching about freedom of choice and I think Microsoft should give it to them. What Microsoft should do is on day one when people connect their systems to the Internet for the first time they should let the people decide then. If they want the "ORIGINAL" planed policies for the X1 they should have the choice to NOT except the day one reverse policies. If the people don't want the "ORIGINAL" polices then they should have the choice to EXCEPT the day one update and opt out. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT WHICH IS THE POWER OF CHIOCE MICROSOFT!!!!! you will be surprised at how many people really want this.
eclectified  +   384d ago
I don't understand why they can't do both. I tweeted this to Major Hyrb...

On 360, you could choose whether to install a disc. Why not make One have the option to enable/disable 'license lock'?
License lock require the disc to enable and would bring back family share, online check-in, and all the other features we love to hate.

Releasing the license would require one last check-in after which, all shared games would be invalidated and users can do whatever with the disc like every other console.

I believe they can allow this on a disc by disc basis and have an added option to release all.
Agent-86  +   385d ago
If MS did another 180 with the Xbox One, should we call it the Xbox 360? Now wouldn't that be confusing!
Aleithian  +   384d ago
They're turning us right round, baby, right round, like a record.
MoveTheGlow  +   384d ago
We called it the Xbox 180 when they turned around on their DRM policies. If they turn back the same way... it's the Xbox One. Holy crap. It almost seems planned if I say it like that.
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Sam Fisher  +   385d ago
No its not illegal but someone needs to make a law for it pronto
AngelicIceDiamond  +   385d ago
Its not the DRM they want, its the features behind it. But how can anyone be this dense is absolutely beyond me. Wow, just wow.
andibandit  +   384d ago
I dunno, steam actually works pretty well and the money goes to the people behind the games and not gamestop undercutting new games by 5$ with used copies, where all the dough goes to gamestop. But what do we care...*watches anothers developer file for bankruptcy*
JunioRS101  +   385d ago
Nope, Bush was president twice!
christocolus  +   385d ago
LMAO. :D
Heisenburger  +   385d ago
Don't mess with Texas.... *Heh heh*

Sorry, in my mind that was Will Ferrell's Bush voice. Lol
jeffgoldwin  +   385d ago
Even worse Obama was elected pres twice. Triple the national debt anymore times much? Lol and promote "free health care" when it actually means your forced to buy and show proof on your taxes starting next year.

http://www.realtorsinsuranc...
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Aleithian  +   384d ago
@jeffgoldwin, JunioRS101, et al - Are we really going to get into this in a pleasant forum about games? Fact is, the Federal Government sucks and has sucked for over a century, if not from the beginning. The national debt is only one of their many transgressions of your rights.
GribbleGrunger  +   385d ago
What? ... I mean, what?!
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MasterCornholio  +   385d ago
The answer to this is easy.

The people who are supporting this petition are the ones that believe that the family share plan would allow any one on the list to play their games without any restrictions. This is the reason why they want the old DRM system back.

But, the family share plan was nothing more than a glorified demo plan and it was confirmed by a Microsoft employee in their blog.

Source: http://pastebin.com/TE1MWES...

"Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn't have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they're placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to."
shadyiswin  +   384d ago
mastercornhornholio sstop spreading lies,it was made very clear it wasnt just demos

http://www.ign.com/articles...
GribbleGrunger  +   384d ago
@shadyiswin: You have to ask yourself (baring in mind the MS meltdown at the time) why didn't MS mention it was full games at the time? Think about it. The internet and every publication is against you. You have to do something to change that, even if it's only slightly ... But you hold onto this piece of information until AFTER you drop it?!

Come on now, smell the roses. :)
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dontbhatin  +   384d ago
There are people on there just to make the Xbone flop cause they know if they go back to the DRM stuff, thats probably going to happen.
Narutone66  +   384d ago
Stockholm Syndrome is one of the reason I could think of.
Another is some people wants to be different or be non-conformist.
GrumpyOla  +   384d ago
If I were Don Mattick I would withdraw my resignation and demand a raise and a big fat bonus :)
Kingthrash360  +   385d ago
where is a gif?.....I need a gif to show the stupidity of the people in the partition.
lgn15  +   385d ago
Well you're not in jail yet, so I guess not.
The_Infected  +   385d ago
The only thing I liked was the family and friends being able to shre their games for free between 10 people.
Krew_92  +   385d ago
Read what MasterCornholio just posted a few comments above.

They're actually almost exactly like the PlayStation Plus 60 minute trials... There is no such thing as free.
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The_Infected  +   385d ago
^^^

Well that's just stupid then.
shadyiswin  +   384d ago
no read my post instead this is how simple things get spread that are untrue,it was not only demos. You took his word in his post,when i googled it for a link,it was an overwhelming amount of facts from microsoft themselves and game developers saying it was not just demos,it didnt need to be a demo they would be making the money back with all the digital downloads and resell fees charged to gamestop,bring back DRM :D,kill gamestop.
ajax17  +   385d ago
Doesn't matter to me. I won't be buying one either way.
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Paytaa  +   385d ago
So after everyone complains about the atrocious restrictions on the X1, people want them to go back to the original plan? God I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
jeffgoldwin  +   385d ago
It's totally outrageous to think different have different opinions.
Picnic  +   384d ago
I don't want to live on a planet where one consumer thinks that where they put their greasy money trumps the wishes of the company who actually breaks the sweat to design and make the product.
Gekko36  +   384d ago
gekko36
Gekko36  +   384d ago
cool. one less apponent in the world. i didnt have an issue with the drm. i never share games. always buy new and am always online. teenagers may find it horrid but im 37 and loaded so i give a fuck how?
Paytaa  +   384d ago
The only way the original Xbox One plan would have worked is if it was a direct knock off of Steam. No one cares if you are "37 and loaded". That makes you sound like an arrogant douchebag. Not everyone has the luxury to buy new games, a decent internet connection, and pay the $500 for a console. It's anti-consumer and frankly they're easily the best form of PS4 marketing right now. DRM being good as of now? Get real.
quenomamen  +   385d ago
Not in Mericaaah !!!
Aceman18  +   385d ago
i actually have no words for this.
hennessey86  +   384d ago
Actually
You have 6 of them :/
JerkDaNerd7   385d ago | Spam
Sideras  +   385d ago
People buy CoD, don't they. Unfortunatly yes.
Koyes  +   385d ago
Didn't know Southern States petitioned..
NeXXXuS  +   384d ago
LOL
Aceman18  +   385d ago
Does anyone know if that's the real major nelson commenting to those people on that petition?

If it is I am not surprised Lol.
ALLWRONG  +   384d ago
There may be a few die hard Xbox fans asking for this, but most are people who work in the industry, the ones behind it all. Many have come out over at the Xbox forums, people with 0 achievements all praising DRM.
malokevi  +   384d ago
I signed it, because I agree, and I always have. Was waiting for something like this to come along. These guys are right.

You Sony supporters shouldn't care anyways. You aren't buying the console, so whats the problem? Let us have our novel experience, and you can have your... PS4. No need to get all huffy about something that doesn't effect you.
zerocrossing  +   384d ago
If not it then it bloody well should be!

They've got to to be kidding... right? Who in the right mind actually wants restrictive & invasive DRM?
Aceman18  +   384d ago
the guy directly above you lol
stage88  +   384d ago
I love how he used a direct quote from The Last of Us

"It can't all be for nothing"

haha!
Finch  +   384d ago
I would be happy with a Opt in and out feature and I bet they could keep the same family and friends plan with disc as long as the owner keeps checking in with the disc say every 24 hours. Or at least bring back the Digital plan with trade, lend and sell that they had. Or if they can do a happy medium would be great. There is some greatness to this just need ease the people into it and go through the growing pains first.
punisher99  +   384d ago
@RmanX1000:
Well said. and +bubbles
HOLLYWOODLAND   384d ago | Spam
BlackTar187  +   384d ago
The thing about the family sharing is no one knews the exact details. They all believed despite all the signs that xbox isn't a consumer first platform that this family sharing was some magical Do whatever you want program they had.

There was a reason the details were not leaked out for everyone to disect just a 2 pager listing very general the idea of it.
ginsunuva  +   384d ago
They're probably very smart Sony fans.
iGamerZero24  +   384d ago
Took the words right out of mouth !
3-4-5  +   384d ago
De-evolution.

We live in a country with 330 million people.

I would assume about 50 million are just absolutely unintelligent.
From petition.

"This was to be the future of entertainment. A new wave of gaming where you could buy games digitally, then trade, share or sell those digital licenses. Essentially, it was Steam for Xbox. But consumers were uninformed, and railed against it, and it was taken away because Sony took advantage of consumers uncertainty."

Such a fanboy petition.

This is basically made by one of those blind xbox fanboys who loved the drm.

best comment from petition..
"ill sign to help ps4 so we have no stupid people on the same console as me."

lol
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gintoki777  +   384d ago
Xbox one is good.
showtimefolks  +   384d ago
Oh you fanboys why am I not surprised lol

Petition says Sony took advantage of MS's DRM lol

Even MS isn't that's stupid to go back on their statements again
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pixelsword  +   384d ago
I think it's employees working at Microsoft's offices doing that so it'll look like they're catering to "the people".
extermin8or  +   384d ago
No but maybe you should be neutered if you are this thick to protect the future of humanity... fml I never thought I'd see this
xer0  +   384d ago
I'm fairly convinced that this is Microsoft PR at work.
greenlantern2814  +   384d ago
as hard as it is to believe some people actually think ms was going to let them share full games with no restrictions with 10 people, and sell games cheaper even though ms never said this.
and if this is a ploy by anybody it isnt ps fans. more likely ms executives trying to justify bringing it back.
Doctor_Freeman  +   384d ago
This has got to be a joke.
Mithan  +   384d ago
Like the hundreds of millions of people buying games for their Cell Phones or Tablets that have no issues with these types of DRM systems? DUH.
weap0nx  +   384d ago
Who and the hell would wanna bring back that garbage.
kenshiro100  +   384d ago
I'm just as baffled by the stupidity as you are.
MikeyDucati1  +   384d ago
Yea if you think people don't have different tastes.
SDS Gamerfiend  +   384d ago
Who wrote this article, microsoft?!
Godmars290  +   385d ago
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DragonKnight  +   385d ago | Well said
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Kingthrash360  +   385d ago
lol no words needed...this........key-art ...um..shows it all.. awsome!
Bathyj  +   385d ago
That must have taken you ages...
ThatArtGuy  +   385d ago
Yeah, copying and pasting is very difficult.
DragonKnight  +   385d ago
I didn't make this. I found it online. It's incredibly appropriate for the topic don't you think?
cyguration  +   385d ago
Bubbles, sir.

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KillrateOmega  +   385d ago
I just woke up, got online to check the news,....and then I saw this article.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Really? They want to bring back the first version of the Xbone? The one that ignited the hatred and outrage of nearly the entirety of the gaming community and a large part of the internet? The one that basically f*cks over a whole list of different groups of people including soldiers, Ma&Pa shops, people with unreliable internet, etc?

I hate people sometimes...
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DarkBlood  +   385d ago
Nothing to do here *flys off this planet with a jetpack*
faysal  +   385d ago
could it be MS doing this behind the scene
just rad the thing... that guy is dumb as it can get, he think MS was allowing you to sells digital games and borrow them to your friends digitally lol yet claims people are miss informed
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fOrlOnhOpe57  +   385d ago
My thoughts too, that MS might have something to do with this. That DRM switch that so easily turned off can be so easily turned back onagain at the aappropriate time.
And given all the money MS has, I wouldnt put a sneaky underhand, low-key campaign to reinstate DRM, past them.
stuna1  +   384d ago
For all anyone knows Microsoft could have just said that it was switched off in hopes that they somehow would be able to convince consumers that the restrictions are a good thing! Some fail to realise that Microsoft still has 4 1/2 to 5 months to sway the general consumer.

They could not even be considered falsely advertising either since their is really no concrete way of proving that they have indeed did a 180, just the fact that the Xbox 1 is not seeing a worldwide release, and is broken down in tiers as far as release wise, kind of raises suspicions as to why that may be! Could it be that Microsoft is not being completely honest with the public? Don't forget they haven't been very forthcoming with a lot of things this generation! Not hate, facts!

One of Microsoft least endearing qualities, is how they handle situations concerning competition or, resistance is that they throw money at it, instead of finding out how they can be more competitive, or why they're encountering resistance. When there is technology out there better than Microsoft, they take on the role of a bully, smear campaigns, mis-direction, hostile takeovers, contractual clauses and a host of other things.

Microsoft has been priming the ill-informed for years, the problem is they jumped the gun! The tactics that they've tried to use will be used again at some later time, mark my words.
Maddens Raiders  +   385d ago
"“This was to be the future of entertainment. A new wave of gaming where you could buy games digitally, then trade, share or sell those digital licenses. Essentially, it was Steam for Xbox. But consumers were uninformed, and railed against it, and it was taken away because Sony took advantage of consumers uncertainty.
We want this back. It can't be all or nothing, there must be a compromise.”

Something about this is completely, I mean just inherently anti-gamer. I don't even believe the most ardent and passionate of MS fans would buy into this blathering rubbish.

I say bollocks.
Bathyj  +   385d ago
Sony didnt TAKE the advantage. Advantage was thrust upon them with MS's own inability to explain themselves adequately despite being given multiple chances to do just that. They preferred to speak in riddles and cryptic clues and muddy the waters of their own message when they should have just been clear and upfront.

It just indicative of how they operate as a company and now they are reaping what they've sown instead of raping or wallets.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   385d ago
Which means that they knew what they were doing was wrong. No company would speak in riddles about a feature that they TRULY believe would be the future. They would advertise it and make their message as transparent as possible.
M-M  +   385d ago
Sounds like greenpowerz to be honest.
ShwankyShpanky  +   384d ago
"Consumers were uninformed?" Yeah, I guess I am uninformed, because I sure as hell don't remember any mention of trading or selling digital licenses.
Stryfeno2  +   385d ago
I give up...seriously. Humanity is lost.
GezForce  +   385d ago
This is madness....
iMixMasTer872   384d ago | Spam
GreenRanger  +   385d ago
Digital masochism.
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rezzah  +   385d ago
Exactly what I was thinking.
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   385d ago
Wow. cant handle this much stupidity. onto the next article!
Megaton  +   385d ago
I didn't think it was possible for Xbox fans to be more of a joke. Microsoft's brainwash game is on a whole 'nother level. Just be glad they're only draining the bank accounts of these rubes, because they could probably build an army with this kind of corporate loyalty.
No_Limit  +   385d ago
Please, this petition was written like 20 days ago and it just barely got over 100 signatures. Every batch have a few bad apples just like any other product that each fanbase support.

Wasn't there one for the infamous FF13 reveal at E3 and how many signatures did that petition generate from Sony fans??
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UNGR  +   385d ago
A couple of idiots start this and you put all of the Xbox users in the same pile of idiots? Sorry the only idiot is you for being so ignorant.
HOLLYWOODLAND   385d ago | Spam
UNGR  +   385d ago
Somebody asked a company to screw them over? What the hell did I just read?
LordMe  +   385d ago
Sad part... 103 people have signed this thing.
MasterCornholio  +   385d ago
And that was after 20 days.

I remember that only after a few days the anti DRM petition had over 4000 signatures which is a lot more significant than this pro DRM petition.

In conclusion the only ones really supporting this are the brain dead fanboys which is something that all consoles has. The XBOX fans like Angry Joe protested against this along with mainstream consumers.
Imalwaysright  +   384d ago
But.... but but PS fanboys were the ones giving MS the well deserved backlash.... people that would never get a X1 were the ones speaking up against MS draconian policies.

This just goes to show that consumers in general were against MS policies.
HOLLYWOODLAND   385d ago | Spam
Dlacy13g  +   385d ago
LOL. ..103 signatures. ...not seeing this as being taken seriously
No_Limit  +   385d ago
most of these signatures could are coming from haters judging from some of the comments that are on the petition.

John whatzittoya SONYVILLE, WY said: ill sign to help ps4 so we have no stupid people on the same console as me.

:/
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Dlacy13g  +   385d ago
LOL, I think "John" will be in for a rude awakening.....lots of stupid people on every platform. And from the sounds of it...he fits that demo too.
super_cuddles  +   385d ago
Am I the only one that likes the idea of saying xbox play forza, xbox play call of duty, xbox watch Blu ray, all without having to change disks?
DragonKnight  +   385d ago
Obviously you're not.
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TotalSynthesisX  +   385d ago
No, of course not. That was probably the only good thing about M$'s DRM policy. Everything else, however... not worth it. I'd rather have the mild inconvenience of having to change discs and still have the freedom to play used games.
super_cuddles  +   385d ago
Yeah I guess it's one or the other, however a used digital market could have supplemented that side of things?
Galletto3  +   385d ago
@super_cuddles

but if there is no existing infrastructure to fill that necessity it would have fallen flat very quickly.

I mean after all there was no incentive to create one. Maybe if it had released with plans for a whole used market it would be different. Even then i have a feeling that prices would be artificially inflated, just because "they still need to make a profit"

Digital game rentals on the other hand...
n4rc  +   385d ago
Used game market was still going to be there.. Just stopping GameStop from essentially stealing developers profits..

I'll admit I didn't care about the share thing.. Or used games.. Diskless play without having to DL a 50gb game was awesome..

Pissed they removed it.. Especially when I think most complaints were not potential customers complaining.. They listened to the wrong people..

Vocal minority wins again! Lol
Imalwaysright  +   384d ago
"Vocal minority wins again! Lol"

Im sorry to say this but you're an idiot. If it was a vocal minority MS would have NEVER bendover and change their policies. Not only that but how many signatures does this petition have?
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lawgone  +   385d ago
No, I really liked that part too. Everyone should. If people actually get enjoyment out of changing disks they're a little strange. But the DRM aspect is what got some people. I wanted to know more about it before I made up my mind on it but didn't really get the chance. The mob that is the internet wouldn't let that happen.
MasterCornholio  +   385d ago
All games will be available in digital form on the first day of the release of the retail copy. The same goes for the PS4 as well.

In the end even though you dont have draconian drm policy's you can still buy all your games digitally and not have to worry about changing disks. This is called giving consumers a choice which is something that many people appreciate.
LoveOfTheGame  +   384d ago
I feel people didn't read this article, N4G right. They clearly stated that this policy shouldn't be one or the other but should be a compromise but I guess most people didn't want to see that.

The problem with digital downloads is that once you buy it, it is yours to keep...no resale. If Xbox One kept the install disc option it would have the benefits of both having digital(no disc swapping) and physical(resale of game). All they needed to do was allow the game to be played offline if the disc was inserted.
Death  +   384d ago
It's ironic to hear people champion "choice" as they push hard to eliminate it. I would like to have the benefit of a digital copy while retaining a physical copy. That to me is choice. Having to decide between a digital copy or a physical copy narrows down the options, not expands on it. We are quickly moving to an all digital age where DRM is much more restrictive than the proposed plan was. Sony is pushing digital much harder than Microsoft and staying under the radar. Those that swore changing 10 discs for MGS on the PS3 was unacceptable had no problem financing Sony's was against HD-DVD, but today they are happy to swap discs. Between the PSP, Vita, and PS+ with their digital downloads, they are embracing DRM and simply don't know it or understand what it actually is.
ziggurcat  +   385d ago
Or you could save your breath, and just press a button...
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BillytheBarbarian  +   384d ago
I might be fat but I'm not fat and that lazy to lose my ownership rights.
NateCole  +   385d ago
I am sure there are a couple of thousands. Luckily the majority of xbox fans are sane.
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Brucis  +   385d ago
I know I'm not signing this shit. I'm not contributing to this madness.
pr0t0typeknuckles  +   385d ago
Im not surprised there are a lot of idiotic xbots that still say oh im mad they took those features away,you could share games up to 10th family members(something weve been doing for years),especially this idiot named nxtgen720 hes really stupid.
Gameatholon  +   385d ago
Pretty sure all you could do is share the game for an hour, sort of like PS+ ability to try a full game for an hour? This was confirmed was it not?

Everyone thought they were going to be able to share 10 copies of their game with friends and family and it turned out to be pretty much demo sharing?
lawgone  +   385d ago
I didn't hear about any time restrictions. I had only heard that you couldn't play the same game at the same time...which makes sense, you can't do that with a physical disk either. The one thing that can be agreed on is that the details were not communicated well. I don't think anyone knows for sure exactly how it was going to work. That's why I'm not quick to jump on anyone that was for or against it.
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Welcome2Die  +   385d ago
heh... im not even buying one so they can do whatever they want....
lawgone  +   385d ago
Thanks for sharing?
Hicken  +   385d ago
I'm not getting one either- not any time soon, anyway- but I want NOBODY to have to put up with this crap.
n4rc  +   385d ago
So force your beliefs on others.. That always goes over well..

u don't go door to door by any chance do you?

;)
Hicken  +   385d ago
Was that your best retort? Unable to justify it, you forgo that and simply attack my assertion that it's something no one should have to deal with?

Are you capable of explaining why someone should put up with it, or want it? Or why it isn't crap?

Or are you another MikeMyers, who seeks to attack a person without actually rebutting anything they say?
jeffgoldwin  +   385d ago
Good ol Hicky laying down the law as usual. At least your being more civil about it. You must be worried about going down to 2 bubbles.
JunioRS101  +   385d ago
Lol, imagine if they literally pulled another 180.

The Xbox 360:2
Brucis  +   385d ago
Xbox 2: Electric Boogaloo
Pancit_Canton  +   385d ago
Microsoft should have tested the water first before they started rolling back their original policy and gave the Xbone a chance in a market to do its thing, if people like it or not. They can easily switch off that DRM and have the firmware update ready if people respond negatively towards their policy.
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iceman06  +   385d ago
The problem with this approach, if pre-orders are any indication (which I guess MS felt they were), was that too many people would have jumped ship. It's already been an issue...even with the removal of the DRM. What they needed to do was to clearly and concisely outline why their plan for DRM was so good for the industry (if indeed they really believed that). Then, get ALL of their representatives on the same page. All of the uncertainty surrounding the policies, at the biggest industry showcase, doesn't look too good for a product that is to be released within a year.
Groo  +   384d ago
That is a rational suggestion, but you can't test the water if no one is gonna jump in the pool. I agree there are valid points on both sides of the whole fiasco but it comes down to bottlenecking consumer options into a buisness model designed to suck every last penny out of the consumer with features most people don't want and some that exist on other consoles that give consumers the freedom to purchase a game how they choose via disk or download. Taking away choice and forcing your consumer faithful to endure this kind of in your face jump is asking a lot. MS made assumtions based on other markets that gaming can fit into that structure but gamers arent ready for that. MS is trying to expand to a broad audience and trying to attrach more buisness and at the same time restricting and punishing the gamers by forcing them to conform to MS policies, with restrictions and features that no one wants just for the sake of MS trying to pull in the broader audience. Gamers wanna game and gamers have made 360 what it is today. I can see how gamers would feel betrayed by all this, after all gamers are the ones that put the consoles on the map in the first place. MS should have offered more options or even a seperate piece of hardware tailored to consumer demands, not pile everything in One and force people to pay for something they don't want in order to play games.
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Fat Onion  +   385d ago
"petitioners"... or sony employee's?
fsfsxii  +   385d ago
Or fanboys who had wet dreams on the X1
Good_news_every1   385d ago | Spam
JunioRS101  +   385d ago
As someone who's console IS always online anyways, I was actually looking forward to seeing how this "innovation" would turn out.

Oh well. I'll sit back and play PS4 either way.
Gameatholon  +   385d ago
Some of the people signing the petition are just trolling Hard. I read some of the signatures and about 50 of them are people that are NOT supportive at all and pretty much taking the piss out of the whole thing.

I also think the person who started it is gravely misinformed, the Xone was never going to be like Steam.
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XtraTrstrL  +   385d ago
Hah, Microsoft paid some people to create and sign the petition. So they can bring back the restrictions, while looking like good guys that are just listening to the people.
Groo  +   384d ago
you know that actually wouldn't suprise me
Brucis  +   385d ago
...Why? Who thinks this shit is a good idea? 'You know, X1 is good and all, but you know what it's missing? Mandatory, 24 hour check-ins.' Who in their goddamn mind thinks this shit is GOOD?
uncharted56  +   385d ago
Xbox one360?
4logpc  +   385d ago
The name calling on n4g has gotten to an all time high.

am I the only one who respects peoples opinions?

just because you think the ideas Microsoft had were dumb, doesn't make people who thought they were cool idiots.
Nicaragua  +   385d ago
If you think we should respect each others opinions then you should respect my opinion to think that this group of Xbox fans are idiots.
4logpc  +   384d ago
There is a level of disrespect that is not needed. Its people like you that make me ashamed to be part of the gaming masses.
Nicaragua  +   384d ago
"Ashamed to be part of the gaming masses" - Drama bomb !!!

Get over yourself dude. Im glad you don't want to be part of the gaming masses, only the cool kids are allowed in this club.
Gamers_United  +   385d ago
And to think I was going to get a Ps4 and be gaming with these fools like really ? seriously have some respect for other gamers who aren't getting PS4

You Might need to grow up a bit or back to school by the lot of your comments lol
DragonKnight  +   385d ago
Joined 58m ago. Yep, you signed the petition.
Gamers_United  +   385d ago
So I joined 58 minute big deal ? I am not a troll who sits there and degrades somebody because they their choice is Xbox One

Grow up or maybe just too late for you now please go join your other boyfriends
Hicken  +   385d ago
You say "grow up," and then finish with the juvenile "join your other boyfriends?"

Typical.
Thepharaoh  +   384d ago
did anyone else nearly shit their pants laughing @ 28.1.1
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Thepharaoh  +   384d ago
wow i almost shit my pants laughing @28.2
Thepharaoh  +   384d ago
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Couldntfindasn  +   385d ago
I know it might seem crazy on this site considering it is crowded with Sony fanboys, but many people liked the original policies over the new ones. I buy my games new anyways, I'm always online and for sharing, the family share service was more than I can ask for. That goes for me and many others. Everyone is so set on the past that they won't look to the future. I hope they allow an opt-in option for the Old policies.
Gamers_United  +   385d ago
Didn't the gamers screw it up for themselves ? I don't get people crying so much and then finally wake up and say hey WTF

Those are awesome features , Sony is living in the past and I am not with the past I want to move on

Playstation is all I had all my life
Groo  +   384d ago
If that is true you would already know that Sony already has most of these features, except for the T.V. crap, and Microsoft is living in the past or trying to play catch up i might add..

So you would already know how long PS eye has been out before Kinect

you would already know PS+ memebers get more than 2 free games a month plus 1 hour full game unlock trials.

you already know that on PS3 you can currently share digital game downloads onto two active PS3 systems, use to be up to 5 systems and that was back in 2011.

outside of the partnering with Time Warner and using the XB1 as a interactive cable box, I really dont see anything new about Microsofts features...
DragonKnight  +   385d ago
This one joined 15m ago. Another petition signer.
GezForce  +   385d ago
Its sad these trolls need to create sock accounts to defend this bullshit.
Couldntfindasn  +   385d ago
I actually go on this site regularly and after seeing the hate comments on this post I decided to make an account and just state that just because we liked the original policies doesn't mean we lost our minds. We just loved the original policies and didn't see a problem with the restrictions.
Couldntfindasn  +   385d ago
And I'm not signing that. I know it won't help.
iceman06  +   385d ago
I doubt that "many people" liked the POLICIES, as you say. However, I believe that people DID like some of the features that went along with the policies. I doubt there were people saying "you know what would be cool, having to connect to my console once a day just to keep my games." However, there were many people that felt like it would be an okay exchange for getting to share up to 10 games. See, the POLICIES weren't great. They didn't really favor the consumers at all. But, some of the features were good. As for the Sony fanboy comment, there is no way that it was just Sony fanboys that kept Xbox pre-orders so low before the DRM reversal. It was gamers that didn't see the benefits outweighing the rewards.
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Agent_hitman  +   385d ago
Wow I never saw this coming.
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