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Submitted by Prcko 470d ago | news

Bethesda: Xbox One is a "nice, robust machine", but cross-platform work is a "nightmare"

Bethesda is finding the transition to Xbox One and PS4 relatively easy, the publisher's vice-president Pete Hines has told OXM, as the two consoles are structured much like beefy gaming PCs. That said, developer ZeniMax Online Studios has its work cut out bringing new MMO The Elder Scrolls Online to all three platforms simultaneously. (Bethesda Softworks, PS4, Xbox One)

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Geezus  +   470d ago | Well said
title is misleading... "That's providing, of course, you're not working on all the machines in parallel. "They don't all play with each other. PC and Mac play together, but Xbox One is its own thing and PS4 is its own thing. The whole cross-platform thing is just a nightmare."
s8anicslayer  +   470d ago
But it's the Original story title, which can not be altered according to submission rules, Yes the title is not accurate as it's stating that "cross platform" as in the transition from xbox one to PS4 is very difficult due to their very different architecture.
Geezus  +   470d ago | Helpful
ik just pointing it out for those who dont bother reading the article and make comments based on the title
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inveni0  +   470d ago
Bethesda just has crappy devs. Crytek has no problem making engines that can live-update three platforms at once. If Crytek's cross-platform engine skill could be applied to Bethesda's story/lore skills, we might actually have a game.

(Not that Crytek is great...they write pretty inefficient code...but it's at least not just a big mess of bugs.)
HammadTheBeast  +   469d ago | Well said
^

Yeah but that's all Crytek can do. Write code well. They have no inspiration or ambition, their games a cliche and in all honesty, boring.
3-4-5  +   469d ago
Soooo....expect more exclusives for each ?
malokevi  +   469d ago
Agreed with both of you.

There is no slant in the article, just a matter of fact. Cross-platform development can't be easy.

Obviously the article title is fishing for hits. Weird how it seems to cast the Xbox One in a negative light, considering the source is OXM.
Masterdon   469d ago | Spam
KillrateOmega  +   469d ago
@Masterdon
No need for name-calling, bro.
inveni0  +   469d ago
@Masterdon
Not only was that completely uncalled for, but you are also displaying ignorance.

I am a software engineer. Programming is what I do. Right now (I took a two minute break to check N4G), I'm working on a procedural game engine for iOS.

Yes. Programming is hard. But I'm one of the dumber engineers, and even I can deliver a product with fewer bugs and glitches than Bethesda.

@HammadTheBeast
That's why I said they need Bethesda's gift of creating engaging worlds. (Well, I didn't say that exactly...but I meant it.) :)
fr0sty  +   469d ago
This is due to Xbone's split memory. The devs have to work out how to break their GPU memory that needs high bandwidth into 32mb chunks so it can fit into ESRAM. This is one of the same things that held PS3 back on multiplatform titles.
mwjw696  +   469d ago
@inveni0 Yea you have no idea the what your talking about seriously. Programing for iOS is child's play compared to programing for PC, x360, PS3 all at once. You are writing code for one purpose and simple base engines, you do not write billions of lines of code with a state of the art engine. Its night and day sorry. Not to mention with a world as large as Bethesda makes, with so many interactions. You simply can not code all of those bugs out, it is not possible if they want to make money.

Crytek games are mostly simple worlds with beauty and no interaction. They make paintings basically. Bethesda on the other hand makes beautiful full interactive worlds with tons to do. They make theme parks basically.

I'm not even going to tell you what iOS developers do... lets say it involves finger paints.
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Tetsujin  +   469d ago
In the article Bethesda themselves mentioned "Xbox and PS4 being high end pcs" so does this mean we can actually have games with minimal to low glitching at launch? Bethesda does make some good open world games however they really need to work more games and stop talking so much, building hype.

Also at the end the article, "We have something cool we're working on" doesn't spark me like it should; I'm gonna assume some new Fallout game or at least an announcement involving Fallout.
guitarded77  +   469d ago
@ s8anicslayer

They actually have very similar architectures. They are all x86. The difficulty would lie in the difference in network protocols. Getting XBOX Live, PSN and their specific PC networks to work together would be the problem. They would probably have to circumvent PSN and XBOX Live, like MGS4 online was done (not the best example since it was exclusive, but the only thing I can think of off the top of my head).
inveni0  +   469d ago
@mwjw696
That's what I'm doing right now. I write what I'm paid to write and that's it. I don't have the benefit of writing whatever I want or feel like. I'd love to land a bigger job, but I prefer my current lifestyle, so I just work for myself.

Also, Bethesda's worlds are no more interactive than any other world. It's not like you can destroy buildings or anything. I mean...if rolling cheese wheels down a mountain counts as impressive, then I have a bridge to sell you.
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Ragthorn  +   468d ago
@HammadTheBeast
But you have to admit, Crytek had a couple great games back then, like Crysis and Far Cry. Those were actually good and better than the sequels atleast.
Donnieboi  +   470d ago | Well said
Bethesda has some of the worst, over-rated coders ever. No one else is complaining about cross-platform programming for next-gen. Only the programmers of the obscenely buggy Skyrim game are complaining (no surprise there).
TechnicianTed  +   470d ago
The Last of Us is buggy as hell and it's nowhere nearly as big in size as Skyrim, but I still love it.

*shrugs*

EDIT:Disagrees, have a look. I suppose Naughty Dog must have the worst, over-rated coders as well...that's the logic Donnieboi has with Bethesda, so it must be true for Naughty Dog aye?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I could go on and on, and that doesn't include all the bugs I've seen, Joels hair turning white, people running in circles over and over, people walking through walls and disappearing.

If you are going to label one company as having no talent because of a multitude of bugs in a game, you have to label any other company that releases a game with loads of bugs the same.

Fair's fair.
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360ICE  +   470d ago
Yeah, they are some of the worst coders on the planet. Nevermind the tough deadlines and insane scope of the game.

Jk, you should mind that.
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Zichu  +   470d ago
@TechnicianTed

I do agree with the fact that you shouldn't just put the blame on one developer when many developers do the same.

They're not perfect. They're human beings and we're all prone to mistakes. During testing, they might not of been seen, so the developers didn't know about it. Maybe miscommunication between the developers and testers??

Skyrim and TLoU are great games, they both have bugs because developers don't always see things.

When I'm programming, I get errors or my program doesn't work out the way I intended it to. I can't always see where the problem is or it takes me a while to see it. This is the same as developers, regardless of how many years they have been programming.
Kanzes  +   470d ago
Maybe because in almost all Bethesda's games, anything is possible. You can kill an NPC, you can be a good guy or bad guy, you really choose how you gonna play that game, all that immersion makes it hard to code I think.
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Hellsvacancy  +   470d ago
TechnicianTed
The cutscenes are UNWATCHABLE for me

I would cry if I was any less of a man
nukeitall  +   469d ago
@Zichu:

Often times though, a bug is found and rated for severity to determine if it is necessary to fix.

Many bugs are known, and shipped with it knowingly. Doesn't make it right, but just saying tha is he reality of it.
zebramocha  +   469d ago
@tech Ted most games have glitches from time to time and some of the glitches in your video are intentional instead of a coding problems,that Ellie is one of them.
Gasian  +   469d ago
If you don't mind me saying I think people still confuse Bethesda Softworks(The Publishing company) for Bethesda Game Studios (The Devs behind Fallout 3 and The Elder Scrolls Series), I am not in anyway, shape ,or form saying it to you but saying it to everyone to clear up the confusion before everyone starts blaming the entire publishing company for something the Devs have created a reputation for a buggy engine with outdated code. Oh and for everyone comparing the Elder Scrolls to The Last of Us ,as they are both magnificent games and The Last of Us defines different aspects that the Elder Scroll Franchise has not; they both are entirely different games and should not be compared with bias and misconstrusion. Furthermore, it is not incorrect to say that both at launch were riddled with bugs. I understand The Last of Us is to blame the enormous amount of detail on 7 year old hardware (cause was it just me or did I see another groundbreaker amount of fidelity when it came to literally pushing the hardware to ) its limits. And The Elder Scrolls can be blamed with there focus on barely iterating there hardware at all, as I believe Skyrim is a huge improvement graphically over Oblivion; I still think that the Devs focus to long on making the gameplay experience have an amazing amount of depth.(also included The Last of Us for that depth :P) The games produced by BGS seem not to really focus on optimizing the engine a whole lot.

So there you have it my awkward and weird rambling when it comes out to this debate I have seen on the Internet recently and in these very comments on N4G. So remember be constructive when you talk in order to not sound like a fanboy because no one would want that xD
wishingW3L  +   469d ago
many games are just as big as Bethesda's games but they are nowhere near as buggy. =/
Cuzzo63  +   469d ago
Yea TLOU is buggy every now and then but what game isn't. Skyrim was buggy as hell tho. Game breaking bugs! TLOU is still GOTY but nowhere near as buggy as Bethesda's games. Come on every game almost. ND has released how many "buggy as hell" games. I rest my case. 85% of games are buggy but Skyrim takes the cake of buggiest game of this gen
Foxgod  +   469d ago
@wishingW3L

Name one,
Elder scrolls isnt just about size, sure there are games with the same size, but do those games also come with freedom and choices as in Elder scrolls?

Because the size isnt the hardest part when it comes to an Elder scrolls game, its the complex woven choices one can make in it, i have yet to see another team do it on the current gen.
dumahim  +   469d ago
@TechnicianTed

"Buggy as hell" is not really accurate. Yes, there's bugs, but no one I know has experienced any of them through multiple play throughs. Most of the stuff I saw so far is all just goofy visual bugs like models freaking out or a character falling through the world. Compared to what happens with a lot of the problems in Skyrim, it's not even close.
die_fiend  +   469d ago
Crytek don't make good games. They've made one, Far Cry, which is surely a decade or so old?

Bethesda have been making good games for years, even if there are some bugs in their 300 hour games
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lex-1020  +   469d ago
I appreciate you pointing summarizing the story as I refuse to go to any website that uses a blatantly flaimbait title like this.
Consoldtobots  +   469d ago
bug free open world games are completely possible with the right framework and methods applied. The problem you all see with Bethesda is a LAZY DEVELOPER trying to next gen their old code base written for machines that are old enough to vote now. Back then you HAD to take shortcuts in order to make simulations work. You ended up with a "finished" product that doesn't work in harmony on every level of interaction.
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jc48573  +   469d ago
you need multiple personalities.
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GurlPleaseBye  +   470d ago
So clearly this shouldn't have been approved. At least not with that terrible title. child, this site is shady as h*** lol
PirateThom  +   470d ago
Source: Official XBox Magazine
GurlPleaseBye  +   469d ago
Im referring to this site approving this article. Source: My initial comment....

GET INTO IT!
first1NFANTRY  +   470d ago
games "journalism"? pfft there's no such thing. i saw a homeless man with a laptop in McDonald using their wifi whilst typing a piece. moral of the story is any human/animal with an internet connection can claim to be a journalist.
JackVagina  +   470d ago
Nope, they just need to learn to code better
wishingW3L  +   469d ago
Yeah, especially when we have games from Rockstar that are just as big but not as buggy. Just look at the PS3 version of Oblivion, it was outsourced to a different developer and the game ended up being superior than the 360 version which was developed by Bethesda themselves. Even the PC version, which they say it's the easiest platform to develop for, has many huge bugs.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.c...
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ChickeyCantor  +   469d ago
Ever considered that the complexity of their code is making it harder to maintain and debug?

It's clear that many people here have no programming experience whatsoever
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Supermax  +   470d ago
It's n4g it's not news it's rumor and fanboys.
Cmk0121  +   470d ago
love that the heading reads xbox one is nice but nightmare for cross platform although he say that cross platform for both consoles are nightmares cross plat because they are like high end pc's...classic flamebait heading
Stoppokingme  +   470d ago
"I'm not trying to insult Sony or Microsoft, but they're high-end PCs, the way they're architectured."

I think I've read enough.
wishingW3L  +   469d ago
it's funny that a game developer can say such stupid things, right? XD
nnodley  +   469d ago
I don't understand your point. PS4 and X1 both have mid level power in them, but because they are in a closed system they are capable of loads more than a mid range PC. This is the third or fourth time I've seen devs say the new consoles are pretty high end. But I still don't understand why you're questioning a developer who is actually working with them.
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BlueDodger323  +   470d ago
No need for trolls aka Sony/micro fanboys. They see anything about PS4 or X1 and there they go .. Yeah disagree
edgeofsins  +   469d ago
Yea. Like that doesn't happen with MS fanboys. You are probably one if you come here just to insult a general population of people.
Hicken  +   469d ago
There was no need for your comment, either, which contributed nothing.

Edit: To be fair, it's no different than any of your other comments, so you're at least consistent.
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ame22  +   470d ago
Fallout 4 isn't that far off then.
Summons75  +   470d ago
Oh nobody is buying it anyway, preorders didn't hot the ground running after the 180 policy change and I doubt it will anyway since they already said day one shipment will be limited. Just stick with PC and Sony and learn the new possibilities of the wiiu.
Software_Lover  +   469d ago
You obviously didn't read it, lol.
GurlPleaseBye  +   469d ago
Child, Im gonna need you to click that link and READ sis. Clearly that hate consumed your body and you just had to react. Sis, grab a snicker and be seated.
WeAreLegion  +   470d ago
Complains that they're built like high-end PC's.

Says cross-platform work is a nightmare.

At least I know why Fallout 3 won't start up on my desktop OR laptop now. -_-
Funantic1  +   470d ago
The title is misleading. They were referring to both the PS4 and X1. The fact that these stories are catering and favoring more towards the PS4 has an opposite effect and makes me like the X1 even more.
Foxgod  +   469d ago
Same here, the more they hate the X1, the more i favor it.
Hicken  +   469d ago
That's just a stupid reason.
TongkatAli  +   469d ago
That means your "love" for it isn't authetic and you just want to counter point.
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Foxgod  +   468d ago
No, i already liked the x1, so my favor for it was already genuine, however, hatred makes me like it even more.
dcj0524  +   469d ago
"I'm not trying to insult Sony or Microsoft, but they're high-end PCs, the way they're architectured." Isn't that WHAT WE WANT? The ONE PS4 and PC and deep down the same thing in terms of architecture so wouldn't that make it EASIER to port since they're all PCs. And how is it being a high end PC a bad thing? Thats great, it means we can play on ultra settings for at least 2-3 years. Seriously this article is just, no logic in my mind. I never ported a game though so i wouldn't know.
papashango  +   469d ago
Yes it's what YOU want, and what PC gamers have wanted for years. Developers to actually start utilizing the hardware that's out. But it looks like Dev's just wanted to copy & paste while just adding high res textures...
talisker  +   469d ago
Everything code-wise is a nightmare for Bethesda programmers.
Consoldtobots  +   469d ago
I wonder if they would even qualify as interns at Naughty Dog.
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b_one  +   469d ago
its possible as internship is for students.
N4realGMRZ  +   469d ago
To me this is MS's major weekness...they need to open up live a bit more.......just silly in this day and age....
Software_Lover  +   469d ago
............. You obviously didn't read it either lol.
kenmid  +   469d ago
I know the title is misleading, but I bet the PS fanboys were about unload on this article on how much better the playsaton then the Xbox One.
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nick309  +   469d ago
I stopped read their comments, as someone who enjoys ms& sony's stuff.
-Gespenst-  +   469d ago
I feel like Bethesda just aren't very good devs...
wishingW3L  +   469d ago
it's not new that Bethesda are lazy as F***. They complained about the PS3 and now they complain that the XB1 and PS4 are not the same machine... Seriously, GTFO!
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shadowmist13  +   469d ago
and still no fallout 4,my favorite series is fallout,no other games beats fallout,not even elder scrolls(coming at a close second),i like playing a game that allows me to do what i want.
Foxgod  +   469d ago
People who think theres something wrong with Bethesda their coding skills seriously have to grow up.

They are one of the very few teams in the world that can put down a game with such a huge scope with so much choices and freedom as Elder Scrolls and Fallout.
They are about the only guys who still make rpg's the way they where when game development was a lot easier and cheaper.

Its obviously that they have to go further to get their software running on all platforms then other teams do.

Sadly i think Bethseda will get hated by the ps4 fans as well, because of the timing problems on Gddr5.
Games like Elder Scrolls require a lot of CPU intensive work, especially as the game progresses and the bulk of choices and item information starts to grow in the cache. And CPU intensive work is better on DDR3 then on Gddr5 which is better for GPU intensive work.
The Ps4 should at least have had 4GB of DDR3 of the total 8 in order to give games such as Elder Scrolls a better run for their money.
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DoesUs  +   469d ago
Give it a rest. Cluessless would do you a disservice. Keep preaching though, it's funny.
ziggurcat  +   469d ago
@ foxgod:

"People who think there's something wrong with Bethesda their coding skills seriously have to grow up."

tell that to the thousands of PS3 owners who couldn't play skyrim for about 6 months because the game was broken on release as well as the fact that the DLC was close to or more than a year late because they couldn't code their way out of a paper bag.

and if bethesda can't get any of their games to work properly on what a lot of devs are calling the easiest console to develop for, then that really *is* a testament to their lack of programming ability.
Foxgod  +   469d ago
The ps3 memory just wasnt up to the task.
They should have never made a ps3 port.
ziggurcat  +   469d ago
PS3 memory is more than up to the task (plenty of open world games on PS3 to prove it), they're just awful devs.
kewlkat007  +   469d ago
@ziggurcat Name me an open world game on the PS3 with the same pedigree as Elder's Scrolls?..
ziggurcat  +   469d ago
@ kewlkat007:

ok there, smart guy, name one open world game on X360 (that isn't also on PS3) with the same pedigree as elder scrolls...

try harder.
buttclown  +   469d ago
As far as I know no game I have played has that kind of scope of Skyrim. Fallout 3, NV, Witcher 2, games of those types which all worked fine on my 360 and skyrim worked better on my pc. Those are games I can name that worked from the day they came out with little or no problems for me.
moparful99  +   469d ago
@FoxGod Grand Theft Auto IV ran like a champ on the PS3 with little to no glitches and that came out years before skyrim yet it's comparable to Skyrim in scope and content.. GTA V will be even better.. There isn't a lot you can say to defend Bethesda at this point..
grimmweisse  +   469d ago
Yes, they have the vision to put out large scale games, but their execution is far from good. It's about time they learn't from their previous bug ridden releases and release more stable titles in future.

Might as well release their games in beta if they're going to continue with their current trend. I think their ambitions for large scale games are far too big to be completed on time. Their attitude is release a game, knowing it's buggy, deal with those bugs after release after we have your money!

Seeing how more development friendly the next-gen systems are and more inline with PC architecture there is no more room for excuses from Bethesda.
Software_Lover  +   469d ago
Why is this in the top stories already?

ooooohhhhhhhhh. That's right.
ziggurcat  +   469d ago
it's only a "nightmare" because you're terrible at making games, bethesda.
McScroggz  +   469d ago
I'm not a developer so all I will say is I hope with both consoles being so close in architecture to PC's that it will lead to a little less buggy of a game for everyone. Although, while I do understand there are still differences in PC's and consoles I kind of figured there wouldn't be a huge technical gap from a development standpoint.

But, like I said: I'm not a developer.
Treian  +   469d ago
The PS4 is easy to develop for. If you can't figure it out Bethesda, then you are just a bad developer.
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mmj  +   469d ago
Bethesda would struggle to programme a VCR to record something.
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Gardenia  +   469d ago
Fallout 3 and Skyrim both are great games but full of bugs and other problems. They need to find better programmers
jeffgoldwin  +   469d ago
Both those games worked fine on the pc.

From the sounds of it, the devs on current gen consoles had problems making cutting edge graphics with wide open worlds. Gotta cut them some slack on that one for the occasional hiccup due low ram.

But next gen, they don't get that free pass in my eyes.
SpideySpeakz  +   469d ago
All I care about is Fallout 4.
Dee_Cazo  +   469d ago
Coming from someone who has experience Elder Scrolls Online and love the ES universe. What I am about to say should be taken as very serious:

Whatever news site tells you that Elder Scrolls Online is good, should not be taken seriously anymore, and there is a good chance there is money influencing their opinions.

I've never felt so terrible about a game being bad, and I really hate to see Bethesda have to fire employees, but there is no possible way this is a success.
ufo8mycat  +   469d ago
Elder Scrolls Online *vomit*

Keep this kind of low life trash on PC thanks - thats the only thing its good for.

Leave that kind of stuff away from core gamers.
maniac76  +   469d ago
Do u really need cross platform. When ur online does it tell u wot system everyone is on in lobby lmao. Yeah,its neat to play a friend whosa macboy and ur on pc etc,but i could careless if xbox cross pays with ps4 or should i say,i dont care if ps4 cross pays with flopbox #1lmao
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