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Submitted by ChaosKnight 949d ago | opinion piece

Xbox Policy Change Could Win Back Indie Devs Lost to Sony

Hardcore Gamer: The policy change might not be big news itself, but if it represents a genuine attitude shift in the way Microsoft treats indie developers, then perhaps Microsoft stands a chance at winning back some of those indie devs they lost to Sony. The restriction on self publication still needs to change, but this was a step in the right direction and an abandonment of bad policy (something Microsoft seems to be doing a lot of these days). (Fez, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

Chaostar  +   950d ago
Look at all the exclusive/console exclusive indie titles Sony is bringing to PS4, this is definitely a case of too little too late for MS. Allow self publishing and then we'll talk but until then MS are still far behind Sony in this regard.
Kingthrash360  +   950d ago
yeah my thoughts exactly.
SlavisH2  +   950d ago
How is it to little to late? Systems haven't even launched and are technically still in developement since final dev kits haven't shipped. Companies have to be dynamic to survive. Companies change all the time or they go away. Sony has been very adaptive from feedback from ps3 to ps4. That is basic capitalism. That is why i had to disagree with your comment.

P.S. Maybe you meant to late for you to consider their product? If so, then why post if you have no interest, imo.
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Chaostar  +   950d ago
It's too late to attract the same level of indie support that Sony has for launch. I'm not saying that it's too late full stop, they could turn it around with self-publishing and doubling down on developer relations/support.

Like the article says, it's a step in the right direction but it's not enough or soon enough to make much of a difference in the critical launch window.
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n4rc  +   949d ago
Hugely disagree..

Self publishing leads to a market swamped with bs poor quality titles...

And just like I've said about the music industry.. Indies are so for a reason..

Nobody wants to give them a dime.. If quality was there, they wouldn't need to self publish..

Not saying there aren't a few gems.. But I don't was a million crap game to dig through to find it..

Indies are not the major selling point people would like you to believe..

Its just one of the few straws the haters can still grasp at imo
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Chaostar  +   949d ago
@n4rc
*Deeeeeep Breath*

Flow, Journey, Bastion, Braid, Castle Crashers, Flower, Shank, Dust: AET, Fez, Limbo, World of Goo, Super Meat Boy, Minecraft, Trine, Machinarium, Spelunky, Terraria, Sine Mora, Hotline Miami, Thomas Was Alone, Awesomenauts, Super Hexagon, FTL, Amnesia, Dear Esther, Costume Quest, The Unfinished Swan, Binding of Isaac, VVVVVV, Cave Story...

Your argument is invalid.
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n4rc  +   949d ago
I could care less about any one of those and that probably applies to a good chunk of consumers..

So why would that affect my decision?

Some people swear by Apple and Justin beiber.. Doesn't mean I have to ;)
n4rc  +   949d ago
Of of the two titles I've actually heard of.. Braid is on xbla..is it not?

Still don't care to play it tho.. Lol
zeroskie  +   949d ago
@n4rc, problem is that year after year we get a COD, we get an Assassin's Creed and it's a predictable re-hash of old stuff. Indie games may not be as polished, but they offer new ideas and fresh perspective. They also let us discover new developers with original ideas that could go on to make the next great AAA title that you love.

Plus, many people genuinely like indie titles. All those games that Chaostar listed were fantastic and if you didn't play any of them it's your loss.
Chaostar  +   949d ago
@n4rc

I can see I'm talking to a brick wall. Believing something is unimportant because you're ignorant of it is the height of arrogance.
Hicken  +   949d ago
n4rc before Chaostar list:

"Indies aren't important. They don't sell. Nobody cares about. Most of them are crap."

n4rc after massive list of important, acclaimed, high-selling indie games:

"I don't know anything about those, so I don't care."
ZeroX9876  +   949d ago
@n4rc
so by your standards, call of duty is the best game ever made in gaming history, since the game had a big budget and the sales were high.
Swiftcricket  +   949d ago
"Nobody wants to give them a dime.. If quality was there, they wouldn't need to self publish.."

Can't fall back on the "in my opinion" line after that. And tell that to Minecraft's over 20 million sales. You can combine some AAA titles and not touch that number.
ALLWRONG  +   949d ago
"too little too late" Guess much?
PopRocks359  +   949d ago
The problem is not necessarily that Microsoft made the Xbox One unattractive (which they did, by the way). It's also that the system is largely not indie friendly. No self-publishing and supposedly riddled with the same types of issues indes faced with the Xbox 360.

It's not the console or Microsoft's handling that makes it a headache for indies, it's simply Microsoft's apathy for indie game development that makes them less viable.
isarai  +   949d ago
exactly, when indie devs speak out about the cons of working with MS, paying for updates is the last of their issues with MS.
redwin  +   949d ago
The apathy ? You just read that MS did not want self publishing because they didn't want developers to put out half done games and then comeback and with a patch. They are protecting YOU, the consumer, and they don't want to look bad. Do you honestly think it's malice? They started the Indy business before Sony and if it wouldn't be for MS you'll be playing off line and if so, where would all this small companies be? I have and will have both next gen systems, but what you are saying is just not true.
PopRocks359  +   949d ago
Let me protect myself and choose what indie games to support. I don't need Microsoft looking out for me, especially since they were doing anything BUT that with their always-online and DRM policies initially.

Kickstarter, Wii U and PSN are much more effective ways for indies to get off the ground; just my view.
redwin  +   949d ago
If you buy an Indy game from Xbox Live and it doesn't work well, who do you call for a refund ? Ans: MA. If the fact was that we calked the developer and we complain to them and hold them accountable then things would be a lot different . It's like if you have a car and the fuel pump keeps braking, you'll blame the car company not the parts manufacturer .
fattyuk  +   949d ago
More backtracking

LOVE IT
coolasj  +   949d ago
I think most of the indie devs are mad about the whole No Self-Publishing thing. And the apparently bad service MS provides when trying to get their games to platforms.
Hicken  +   949d ago
It could, but it's not likely. Why would they? Xbox improving doesn't mean it's a better situation than Playstation. It just means it's better than it was.

That, in and of itself, is commendable, but it's not an inherent reason to go back to Microsoft.
KillrateOmega  +   949d ago
Self-publishing, MS. Do it.

Enough said.
mananimal  +   949d ago
Genuine? Lmao, Please Please. And NO, this Policy change will do little to help MicroCrook.

MS should fold up shop, and leave gaming for good imo. Gaming is better off without You. Considering the Xbox Division for MS is like 9% only of there total Revenues yearly..its over MS, just go home.
redwin  +   949d ago
What's the difference between PS1 and PS4 ?

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