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Xbox One Cloud VS PS4 Cloud

Both the Xbox One and Playstation 4 brag about having cloud technology and power behind their systems. Are both of these clouds the same? Or does one system have an advantage? (PS4, Xbox One)

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FrigidDARKNESS  +   370d ago | Well said
There you have it folks MS has beenworking on the cloud infrastructure since 2009 .
Infrastructure is there for all developers to use. MS and Samsung collaborated to build the worlds fastest most efficient cloud server.
Kanzes  +   370d ago
Both parties are using cloud for different purposes

Microsoft's cloud (Azure) is for in-game computing and dedicated servers,

while Sony's cloud (Gaikai) is dedicated for streaming PS1, PS2, PS3 games. But I don't think Sony just using Gaikai for that purpose.. after all, it's a million dollars thing
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georgeenoob  +   370d ago
A lot of folks on this site don't want to accept this and keep denying it.

Look at that Watch Dogs article for example when a producer said Xbox one's cloud makes its city more diverse, it's like he was speaking in a different language to them.
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itswinter  +   370d ago
I thought it was only PS3 games... Not PS1, PS2 and PS3... Yeah, I'm like 95% psoitive it's only PS3 games... :/
JustPlay4  +   370d ago
From what I read about them this is what they do:

Microsoft's cloud (Azure) is for storing data and for developing programs (ie games) and the service is on virtual servers (for the public it is anyway)

PlayStation's cloud ( Gaikai) is just used for streaming (for now)
thehitman  +   370d ago | Well said
@george that article was fake lol....
kneon  +   370d ago
@JustPlay4

While Gaikai was all about streaming that doesn't mean that's all they will use it for. Cloud computing is just remote servers providing computing and storage resources.

That's all it is, there is no magic despite what marketing crap get's attached to the term "cloud computing".

But what cloud computing can for gaming is still limited due to latency and bandwith issues.
cLiCK_sLiCK9  +   370d ago | Well said
@georgeenoob

Deny what? We dont even know what they mean when they say diverse...wtf does 'diverse' even mean?

Why the hell is microsoft having a hard time time explainging this cloud shit? Typical PR junk talk and idiouts falling for it.
The_Con-Sept  +   370d ago | Well said
People seem to forget that you must have an internet connection in order to access said cloud. If you don't have an internet connection, or have bandwidth limits in place, or don't have access to the internet then you are pretty much fucked. If you are wondering why there are so many disagrees it is because developers are taking more and more short cuts on the Xbox when it comes down to ease of use and availability.

Again PS4 is the better overall choice because they don't need an internet connection to have "the best experience."

The cloud the cloud THE GOD AWFUL F ING CLOUD! All of these little Xbox fanboys salivating over an online life support system that needs to be used with every single game in order to compete with the PlayStation 4. I remember back just last gen where consoles did not need life support in order to produce better games. They were patches. Two generations ago we didn't even need patches. If games had a terrible glitch in them it was too far too few. Now that this stupid cloud crap surfaced it only means Microsoft has complete control over your system. You guys keep fighting for the stupid cloud to find that the next Xbox won't even have a CPU or a you in it what so ever. It will be a required always online, always connected pos internet console that is only sold in areas with online access. Sorry but the cloud can go get sucked into a space vacuum.

At least Sony is using it for older games as a means to give old games a chance.
MYSTERIO360  +   370d ago
@Kanzes Your exactly right, the PS4 cloud service will be used for more then just PS3 game streaming

http://www.cloudtweaks.com/...

http://www.shacknews.com/ar...
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ZodTheRipper  +   370d ago
Now that the PS4 outdoes the X1 in most points the cloud seems like the last straw MS supporters are holding onto lol

Since I'm playing offline most of the time and with that cloud thing you have to have a stable internet connection permanently (which is NOT guaranteed even in the large city I live) I couldn't care less. The whole concept of an always-online console was introduced way to early imo. The USA may be ready for it, but the world clearly is not.
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MikeMyers  +   370d ago | Well said
When both of these systems come out gamers will notice right away the differences. From how fast and seamless it is to navigate, to how fast you will download items. On the games we will also see it right away with games like Forza 5 and how that computing power within the cloud will monitor your driving habits and be able to use that data in online races. You will also notice the how low latency will be playing with other people around the world on the Xbox One.

Microsoft will be ready day one. Sony on the other hand will be rolling out things like Gaikai well into 2014 and beyond. They are not ready just like they weren't ready with PSN for the PS3. We are talking about a company with a net worth of over 285 billion dollars compared to a company worth 20 billion. This cloud technology will be used with Windows as well, not just gaming. What Sony have invested in cloud technology and Gaikai pales in comparison. This is a reason why Sony is now charging for online gaming on the PS4. They need money to re-invest and make their online services better and faster around the globe.

We already see it downloading items on the PS3 compared to the Xbox 360. On average things are just smoother and faster on the Xbox 360.

But no, let's listen to people here on the forums. The experts. Those who think every year Call of Duty will sell poorly. That the Playstation Vita will be a huge success. A site dominated by Playstation fans. Good luck getting a unbiased view of Microsoft's cloud technology. You see, the way it works around here is the majority will shoot anything down that may have an advantage over Sony. That's what leads to unhealthy debates. You get people who will disagree even if they don't even know what's going on because they are brainwashed to do so all for the sake of promoting their preferred system/company.

Then you get the real die-hards who write blogs every day speaking venom towards the competition. They are threatened by Microsoft and they should be. You think a few trolls with nothing but time on their hands is going to have any impact? Microsoft isn't messing around. They have invested billions of dollars and have the power and influence to make sure the Xbox One is a success. They marketed Kinect to success and that device didn't even work that well. From all indications the Xbox One is next gen and Kinect 2 blows the doors off the original. They also have the games regardless of what trolls around here say. Most of the very vocal people around here against the Xbox One have been playing this trolling game for years. Most times they are also the biggest Sony supporters. Coincidence? I think not. Ask yourself this, why are those who are Sony fanboys also the same people with the most hate and voice their opinions the most against the Xbox brand? I've never seen this much hostility from Nintendo fans and Xbox fans. Why is that? Why are Sony fanboys so vocal and with so much hostility?

But like I said, don't listen to all of these developers like Insomniac and Respawn about cloud computing on the Xbox One. Nope, let's listen to those other folks here who won't say anything good about the Xbox brand. They know best.

Now watch the disagrees fly away.
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HammadTheBeast  +   369d ago
@Mike Myers

All that money yet MS still ends up last in every console generation. Tsk tsk. And no, its not just this site. The fact that PS4 is massacring One in every pre-order option, every poll, and just overall says a lot. I don-t know why you're such a fanboy for Xbox One. Cloud doesn't do shiiiit.

@Georgenoob

Man living up to your name as always. That WatchDogs article was about how Xbox One had a more diverse city than 360 and PS3 genius. They said the EXACT same thing in another interview for PS4 you ******* fanboy.
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greenlantern2814  +   369d ago
@itswinter watch the ps4 reveal when david perry gets on stage and talks about streaming games he says ps1, ps2 and ps3 games.
Dominic Guay has been misrepresented his comments where about next gen vs. current gen.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
pretty much states why what ms claims about the cloud is not correct.
sony has said they will have dedicated servers if your just going to believe what ms tells you might as well just believe what sony say.
and finally ms Azure cloud is used by companies for off site storage and processing which they pay ms for. so only some of it will be given to gaming.
Sevir  +   369d ago
@Mike you speak of 2 different features within PSN and say Gaikai isnt Ready?
Ummm did you watch the PS4 reveal... Gaikai's Cloud Network infrastructure powers the Entire Online gaming experience of the PS4... The launch of Streaming PS3 titles to PS4 and Vita is just a feature launching in 2014.

Sorry to break it to you, but Cloud computing feature are featured throughout games already running on the PS4... No Azure needed... Gaikai technology on the PS4 isn't limited to streaming games.

There is a reason Gaikai is far more successful and labeled as powerful and fastest in the industry.

Remote access to your game, placing items and even letting your friends take over if you have a tough spot you can't pass all remotely is confirmed Day one and that's all trumpeting the cloud.

Again, Battlefield 4, Destiny, Watch_Dogs Driveclub, Killzone:Shadow Fall all use The Cloud on the PS4 for handling remote calculations for processing in game. The difference here is One console isn't underpowered in raw power so the need and dependancy to use features mitigated to the internet is just not priority. When your Hardware can do all the heavy lifting and still have strength to tackle other heavy things the need to "Use the cloud" becomes an after thought.

http://www.shacknews.com/ar...

http://www.cloudtweaks.com/...
JokesOnYou  +   369d ago
This is truly one of those times in life where size really does matter.

"Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Windows Azure software and related programs have surpassed $1 billion in annual sales for the first time, a sign of progress in the effort to challenge Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN) in cloud computing."
http://mobile.bloomberg.com...
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slazer101  +   369d ago
@ MikeMyers MS net worth is only 69.96 Billion.

http://www.celebritynetwort...
MikeMyers  +   369d ago | Well said
@HammadTheBeast,

Here is a comment of his about a year and a half ago,

"The Xbox 720 is just now using Blu-Ray which the Ps3 has had for the past 6 years... who's behind? Half of the Xbox 360 sales are from 2nd consoles people buy to replace RROD victims.

The PS3 has much better tech and games

Tell me one Xbox 360 game, not a shooter, that has redefined a genre. Yeah shut up. And here comes Twisted Metal and Starhawk, and The Last of Us and many more. While you sit there and hope that there may be a "Halo 4" to help you feel better."

http://n4g.com/news/927422/...

@Sevir,

Here is a reply from him about a year and a half ago too,

"WOW!!!!! Kinect Rush, Kinect Starwars and Kinect, Fable the journey- 3 kinect games
and one hardcore!? LOL thats such a killer line up of games!/S outside Halo 4, nothing else on that list is even laughable. If kotaku can get hyped after seeing that meager list then just imagine how they feel about the PS3 list! The Vita alone next year has more exclusives than the 360 LOL!!!"

http://n4g.com/news/909070/...

This is what I'm talking about. Playstation fans being the most vocal on a site that is heavily biased towards the Playastation brand. A site where the Xbox forums, the Wii and Wii U forums, the handheld forums and the PC forums don't add up to the activity of just the PS3 forums. Why is that? Can anyone here explain that? Can anyone here explain how a system that has sold less than 80 million systems have such a dedicated fanbase that trumps all of those combines that is in the hundreds of millions? The answer is simple, Playstation fans are the most rampant on forums, the most vocal and the most hostile. I'm not talking about regular fans like myself who have supported Sony game platforms since their first PSOne. A system I bought the first day it went on sale at the Sony store. No, I'm talking about the fanboys. The ones who seem to be the most radical group of fanboys out there. The ones who seem to have the most hatred towards the competition. Those with this elitist attitude who are actually fragile gamers who are threatened by that competition. Those who continually say vile things, write blogs.

You would think that since Sony has done so well they would the the happiest group out there. They would be the most satisfied. Apparently not.

But hey, let's listen to these guys. They know what's best. They know how the Xbox One will play online. They know the cloud is just a marketing ploy. They know that system is all about movies and not really a gaming platform anyways.

Good luck with that.
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ThanatosDMC  +   369d ago
In Sony We Trust
ALLWRONG  +   369d ago
Funny how Sony fans forget OnLive. Is it Selective memory, or denial?
NatureOfLogic  +   369d ago
Xbone fanboys hiding in the clouds. PS4 has every advantage over Xbone, so the Xbox fanboys turn to the unproven cloud pr bs. They can't argue sales, hardware, games or even the controller anymore, so now it's all about teh cloudz. Lol, Xbox fanboys continue giving me laughs.
malokevi  +   369d ago
lol, agreed.

Lets not base our decisions on the words of industry professionals, features, investments, services, or games. No, lets make our appraisal based on internet polls and pre-order numbers.

That will make us feel better! :D

As usual, Xbox Live is pushing the boundaries of online console gaming, and PSN is playing catch-up.
strifeblade  +   369d ago
yeah ur right sony's cloud is about a 350 million dollar thing, microsoft's cloud is about a 9 billion dollar thing and counting to put things into perspective
Dakidog  +   369d ago
@Mike Myers

I don't know about "regular fan", I mean to sit there and look through 2 peoples comment history just to make a reply to justify your fanboy comments? You can't tell me that's not going a little hard lol

Besides the game part of HammadTheBeast comment...it's fact. The Xboxone now has Bluray which PS3 already has, so they are indeed catching up. We all know the RROD fiasco added to the 360 sales, not saying by a huge amount(but it's still fact).

I just would love to know what you're basing how "fast and seamless" things will be on? You must have both the PS4 and Xboxone and several games.

Before calling out other people...I think you should check yourself! Try not to paint yourself out as a "regular fan", as far as I'm concerned you're just as bad if not worse than the "Playstation fans".
Lwhit6  +   369d ago
Which is better because that opens up the door of backwards compatibility.
CryofSilence  +   369d ago
This argument is obsolete.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Both can do cloud computing. End of discussion.
malokevi  +   369d ago
@cryofsilence

Lol... yeah. And both consoles can also render 3d graphics... I guess that's the end of that discussion, too?

The double standard is laughable.
Kryptix  +   369d ago
@thehitman
lol Not only was the article fake but even georgee spun something new to what Ubisoft said. Ubisoft has not stated anything about the cloud yet. Shows how much Xbox One fanboys are in denial. lo
oof46  +   369d ago
I sure hope Gaikai can do dedicated servers too. Peer to peer needs to die a horrible death.
ABizzel1  +   369d ago
I don't know how to explain this any clearer than I have.

As far as gaming graphics go Gaikai is the superior service, at least for now. The purpose of Gaikai was to allow PC games to be played on any device by running the games on powerful PC's and streamed through servers to other devices at playable framerates.

Gaikai can reliably use PC's with AMD 8350 CPU's, 7990 GPU's, and 32GB of RAM and stream games on ultra settings 1080p 60fps to any devices PlayStation certified.

Nothing Azure has can compare with that at this point of time. The advantages Azure is looking for is always on, and always changing worlds where random events can happen, and background equations for effects, physics, and lighting can be stored in the cloud. It's great in theory, but graphically the Gaikai setup is vastly superior until Internet speeds are significantly faster nation and world-wide. Dynamic worlds and events are the best thing going for Azure, but again it's not that much of a improvement since both consoles are capable of background downloading even while gaming, so it doesn't really give that much of an edge besides the X1 potentially having events spawn as soon as the developer uploads it, vs. the PS4 having to wait until the download in the background finishes (anywhere from a couple of minutes to a day depending on how large the file is or when the update occurs).

Azure has potential, but it's not anywhere near where it needs to be right now. Gaikai; however, has had years of development as well and as far as tradional gaming goes, it is vastly ahead of Azure and the better service to today's games. Azure still needs years of work, before it can do any of the things MS wants, and Sony needs to get mighty PC's ($1,500 - $3,000 each) up to run Gaikai the way it needs to be (which is the easier task). But both services needs better Internet to function to their peak performance, Gaikai just needs less.
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ChozenWoan  +   370d ago | Well said
If you check Gaikai's history, you will find that they have been building up their infrastructure since 2008, and they are using Nvidia Grid tech. You will also find that at least until last year when Sony purchased Gaikai, that EA, Samsung, and Ubisoft was working with them at first. Which is why I find it funny that MS is now getting all the credit as if they started this trend.

The fact that MS has to tout cloud gaming as a boost to the Xbone's power this early in the gen is a bad sign. For just as Xbone will benefit from server computing, so can the PS4. So while Sony isn't focused on marketing this fact now, we can be sure they are already working on it... in fact that might be why they purchased Gaikai last year when they did. Hmmm

To be honest, Sony's purchase of Gaikai will prove to be the biggest move they have made this gen that will have the greatest impact on how the next gen ends. Gaikai's tech will allow Sony to be able to stream entire games from cloud servers... ENTIRE GAMES!!!

By the end of the next gen, I'm sure the internet infrastructure and video encoding will allow 1080p 60fps AAA PS4 games to be streamed entirely from the cloud with the console acting mainly as a video decoder. Especially since Sony appears to be starting to trend in that direction with PS1-PS3 games starting next year.

I will admit I could be wrong, but when reviewing history instead of marketing, I find that Sony has and will continue to have the advantage when it comes cloud gaming next gen.

Related References:
http://www.gaikai.com/histo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
http://www.nvidia.com/conte...
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itswinter  +   370d ago
GAIKAI didn't start it either and no one makes it seem like MicroSoft started it. I loved GAIKAI 's demos though... They said no lag, but I did lag a bit sometimes and it didn't always look as good as possible, but I think it's my computers fault. It really kind of sucks. I only heard the PS4 will be able to stream PS3 games... Now I'm confused. Anyways, I used to play GAIKAI demos when I was bored, and it was pretty fun. c: Then SONY bought them. It's cool. I don't care that the PS4 has it but I only wish they bring back the demos. Also the ONE's Cloud is for extra things that wont be able to be done on other platforms. At least that's what Ubisoft said when talking about Watch Dogs. Btw, games like TitanFall and Forza 5 are only scratching the surface. It took what like 8 years for current gen consoles graphics to get maxed out. I can't imagine what the ONE will do 8 years later. I also want to know what the PS4's cloud will do later. It apparently wont be like the ONE's but I still wonder. So basically what I'm saying is, the ONE's Cloud isn't just for small things. So SONY wont really have an advantage. Btw, MicroSoft has said the specs and many other things could change. There is lots that can happen in 6 months. :D
n4rc  +   370d ago
Not to put too fine a point on this..
But how is a streaming service anyway comparable to cloud computing and dedicated servers?

2 completely different services..
slampunk  +   370d ago
@ChozenWoan

"The fact that MS has to tout cloud gaming as a boost to the Xbone's power this early in the gen is a bad sign."

So it's a bad sign that developers have access to the cloud prior to launch and MS have their online infrastructure ready?.....why? This only shows that MS are years ahead of Sony in regards to cloud / online infrastructure.

"So while Sony isn't focused on marketing this fact now, we can be sure they are already working on it... in fact that might be why they purchased Gaikai last year when they did. Hmmm"

So Gaikai no being available at launch and only launching in 2014 in the US is a good thing? When will the rest of the world get gaikai?

"Which is why I find it funny that MS is now getting all the credit as if they started this trend."

Sony bought Gaikai for $380 million.....? MS invested and created Azure.....They also invested around 8 billion dollars in 2011 on cloud tech.....XB1 having access to a part of this network is a great asset to the console...

I have no doubt that PS4 will be great....and i'll be getting one.....but

XB1 will have a better online service.....
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The_Infected  +   370d ago
@ChozenWoan

"I find that Sony has and will continue to have the advantage when it comes cloud gaming next gen."

Their tech is great but Sony don't have the money to pour into the cloud like Microsoft does. Microsoft is spending $700 million on one data center which is nearly double what the entire Gaikai purchase was. I don't think Sony has the money to build anywhere near 300,000 servers.
nukeitall  +   370d ago
Really?

I will try to keep it short:

* MS spends 25 times the purchase cost of Gakai annually on the cloud. Heck they spent almost double on one datacenter in Iowa than what Gakai is worth!

* streaming games is very different from cloud computing

* look at the coverage map of Gakai and it is pretty damning with huge gaps everywhere.

* the bandwidth required for Gakai means a very small section of users is able to use it. Remember OnLive?

The two latter points alone means you are considerably limited access to this service at a high quality rate.

The cost and scale of all this means, Sony only has option if they are to replicate it, and that is to partner with Google or Amazon. Smaller players like Rackspace isn't going to cut it. However, MS can offer this at cost if they had to, Sony cannot, because their partners will require profit!

To top this off, MS has the software infrastructure built. Nothing indicates Sony is in this space, unless you think Gakai is the same as cloud computing, which we already know, NOT THE SAME!

I could go on, but this is already to long.
kneon  +   370d ago
@nukeitall

Despite all of Microsofts spending they still typically rank down in the 8-10 range of most list of top cloud computing services.

So there are plenty of cloud service providers that are bigger than Microsoft should Sony decide they need to use cloud computing.

And yes Gaikai is cloud computing. Cloud computing is just running code on remote compute resouces and sending the data back to the users. In the case of Gaikai that data is a video stream. The fact that it's a video stream doesn't negate the fact that it's still cloud computing. It just takes more data because it's video, it's still cloud computing.
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nukeitall  +   370d ago
@kneon:

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Despite all of Microsofts spending they still typically rank down in the 8-10 range of most list of top cloud computing services."

Wrong!

For the comparison to be valid, it has to be suitable.

For instance, Akamai is a huge cloud company. In fact, their network is among the best covering the largest swaths of land. Why? They are in the content delivery business, meaning they accerelate content to you faster than almost anyone else. However, they would not be able to provide you cloud computing resources.

For that, you have to look at PaaS providers, and even within that space, there are subcategories and then there aren't that many left with the correct scale, because it is damn expensive to have a datawarehouse if you don't have enough customers!

Point being, MS is the only one really best suited for this as Xbox business and Azure is owned by the same company.

Sony could do it, it would just cost them and their developers far more and it likely wouldn't be close to as good. because of the software infrastructure.

"Cloud computing is just running code on remote compute resouces and sending the data back to the users. In the case of Gaikai that data is a video stream. The fact that it's a video stream doesn't negate the fact that it's still cloud computing. It just takes more data because it's video, it's still cloud computing."

Which is why you are completely missing the point, being hung up on defending Sony. Gakai doesn't provision computing resources to developers. If I wanted massive servers do to computation, can I with Gakai?

The answer is no, because Gakai is really closer to a SaaS if anything. It system is setup to stream video with fixed and consistent resources i.e. a particular game running. It has specialized hardware for this.

It isn't distributed computing which is what we are talking about here.

Technically speaking having a small datawarehouse with 10 computers could be considered a cloud, but it doesn't mean it is suitable.

So as I said, there aren't many providers that can pull this off for Sony. Rackspace whom is technically small, and Amazon which is the biggest elephant in the room (bigger than MS at the moment). However, whoever Sony picks, they will run into the same problem, cost and then the software infrastructure.

Partners want profit first!
DarthZoolu  +   370d ago
Lol Xbox Cloud is many times faster and bigger than gaikai. XCloud is top of the line and growing. Microsoft invested 8 billion in one year, we are talking future tech that is ready to go right now.
Pixel_Enemy  +   369d ago
"But how is a streaming service anyway comparable to cloud computing and dedicated servers?
2 completely different services.."

How are they different? Streaming a game running on a cloud that does all of the computing so your console doesn't have to is essentially the same thing. What if the computer running the game is MUCH more powerful than the PS4 and your console is just decoding the video. Think before you talk.
mediate-this  +   369d ago
I say just wait, all will be proven or dis proven with time, micro is on record saying the cloud can benefit xbone with cpu calculations, I believe them, I don't have any reason not to, sony never said (at least to my knowledge) that the cloud can do cpu calculations or make their system x amount times more powerful.

just let time prove these billion dollar companies right or wrong.
Parapraxis  +   369d ago
itswinter - "Btw, MicroSoft has said the specs and many other things could change. There is lots that can happen in 6 months"

Wow, some people really are this crazy?
Developers are making games for Xbox One as we speak.
MS will not be changing the specs between now and launch.
JohnJoakly  +   369d ago
I couldn't agree more, and has me even more baffled, as to why Microsoft is trying to tout the cloud, so early into integration.
moparful99  +   369d ago
All of this arguing about "cloud" computing is just going in circles.. I have spent about hours doing research on cloud computing and more specifically Microsoft's Azure network. No where in any of my research was there any mention of Calculations or any of the processing that a lot of people seem to believe Azure is capable of.. In fact a PDF document I downloaded directly from Microsoft only seems to indicate that Azure is meant for web hosting, encoding, and storage... In Microsoft's own language it spells out that most of it is "virtual" They only have a handful of LARGE purpose built datacenters. This notion that they have 300,000 physical servers seems very far fetched. More then likely that number is a target for "virtual assets" that can be allocated on the fly... I fail to see how any of this benefits gaming outside of scalable dedicated servers depending on game traffic, content streaming/encoding, and data storage..
nukeitall  +   369d ago
@Pixel_Enemy:

"How are they different? Streaming a game running on a cloud that does all of the computing so your console doesn't have to is essentially the same thing. What if the computer running the game is MUCH more powerful than the PS4 and your console is just decoding the video. Think before you talk."

It is the type of load and how the datawarehouse is geared towards. First of all, Gakai partnering with Nvidia to install specialized hardware to screen grab, encode and stream the game. It is specialized hardware for a specific purpose. This means it won't be efficient or even cost-effective for the cloud stuff MS is doing. The flip side is, MS with Azure doesn't do what Gakai does without a similar approach.

There has been plenty of information released about Gakai and it's setup courtesy of nvidia. OnLive does a similar thing, but with software approach instead of hardware. This means it would be better suited for Azure, but still specialized hardware is still required.

Before one tells others to think, oneself has to first. Otherwise you risk looking like an immature idiot.

@moper:

"No where in any of my research was there any mention of Calculations or any of the processing that a lot of people seem to believe Azure is capable of.."

What do you think those "web hosting, encoding, and storage" that you mentions runs on? They are general purpose servers with virtual machines, which is exactly what you need for this type of load.

"In fact a PDF document I downloaded directly from Microsoft only seems to indicate that Azure is meant for web hosting, encoding, and storage... In Microsoft's own language it spells out that most of it is "virtual" They only have a handful of LARGE purpose built datacenters.

MS Azure is one of the biggest players in cloud and rivals Google, and Amazon in size. Even Amazon only has two handful of dataservers placed strategically around the world. They are placed geographically close to you, but the placement is relative to where the internet backbone is. For instance, Europe and US is separated, because there is an underwater able connecting the two continents. In the US, Amazon has California, Chichago and I believe New York.

For the cloud to be useful to developers, there has to be software infrastructure built. Since this isn't for general companies to use, like their Azure stuff, of course you aren't going to find information about it. This is also in it's infancy, meaning for competitive reasons they want to limit access.

If you were a large enough developer, you would be clued in.

"I fail to see how any of this benefits gaming outside of scalable dedicated servers depending on game traffic, content streaming/encoding, and data storage.."

These servers are excellent for AI, physics, data mining and analysis on demand. They are obviously not to render graphics.

The importance here isn't just the warehouse, it is the software infrastructure. That most devs don't have resources to build.

However, this opens up possibilities like rendering the in game experience based on real world data. Imagine turning on Forza 5 (or in your case GT7) and while lapping around the track, the game renders the weather identical to the current weather at the real world track. What if the AI learned from real drivers on the track continuously.

This is a very exciting time to be a gamer, because games aren't about more graphics and more stuff on screen anymore. Kinect for new game experiences and cloud computing for new possibilities is new frontier. It is now about "new" experiences, not just "more".
moparful99  +   368d ago
@Nuke So when did 8 gigs of ram become insufficient to be able to handle that kind of processing? Both the PS3 and 360 had 512 of shared Ram and both systems had games that blurred the line of what we thought was possible in games..

With all of this background processing power that the new systems are supposedly capable of why wouldn't the Ps4, for example be able to go online find weather forecasts and updates take that info and render real time weather in game?

GT5 already has dynamic weather on the PS3 so with the vastly greater amount of processing power on tap with the PS4 it seems very likely that real time weather is only a matter of the developers implementing it.

I'm sorry but until I see physical proof that the cloud does what Microsoft claims I will remain skeptical. Microsoft has been guilty of overhyping and under delivering more often than not.

Ohh by the way hasn't it been confirmed that Forza 5 doesn't have dynamic weather at all?
WeAreLegion  +   370d ago
Largest cloud is Google's.
Fastest cloud is Gaikai's.

That's according to the 2013 Guinness Book of World Records.

Both Microsoft and Sony will be using the cloud this generation, but it won't be for computation.
Foxgod  +   370d ago
Largest cloud is Amazon, Azure is the second biggest, your information is wrong.

And Clouds cannot be described in speed, only in size, when it comes to cloud tech, the bigger, the better, as bigger clouds have more calculation capabilities.

And your again wrong about the clouds not using for computing, computing is exactly what Azure is for, its not a streaming service, its a computing service, unlike Gaikai.
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Funantic1  +   370d ago
Actually Gaikai is in the 2013 Guinness Book Of World Records for the most widespread cloud gaming network. They are spread around the world but spread very thinly because they have less than 9,000 servers.The Azure cloud has over 300,000 servers. Microsoft is just working to get more servers spread to remote places in the middle of nowhere. Plus Gaikai's servers are used for streaming whereas Microsoft Azure servers will be used for computation. Supposedly the Azure cloud will have more computation than there was in the whole world combined in 1999.
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thehitman  +   370d ago
@Fox completely not really true. There are a lot of factors in determining the capabilities of the "cloud".

You cant just say one cloud is bigger than the other so its better. A cloud is nothing more than a marketing term for an old concept of clusters of computers that make up servers. 1 Server can easily be as powerful as 3 and vice versa. A server of computers can be used for ANYTHING streaming, computation, anything a computer has the ability to do. If MS wanted to stream games across their cloud system they could and if Sony wanted to use their cloud system for computation they could. Also using cloud for computation during live gameplay seems like a gimmick at best unless proven otherwise as latency will always hold back the actions and response.

Dedicated servers and streaming seem to be the only true benefit out of servers of today.
Foxgod  +   370d ago
Not true, clouds are not the same as computer clusters.

Thats like saying a WAN is nothing more then a marketing term for a LAN.
And a cloud is a WAN, while a cluster of dedicated servers is a LAN.

The difference between the two is the WANS are asynchronous and non administrated (they are soft and hardware controlled), while LANS are directly administrated and locally set up.

Another important difference is the function of a cloud is that it can be used from anywhere, granted you have a good enough connection to it.
A LAN however is designed to be used over a limited distance.

Also i am getting sick of explaining what a cloud is compared to a Local network.

And Sony cannot do it as Gakai its setup and software is not designed to be more then just a streaming service.
Sony would have to do a massive investment to mimic Azure its capabilities.

And your claim that streaming and dedicated servers are the only true benefit is wrong, as current day technology allows asynchronous network managing a lot better then in the old days.
The reason why cloud is getting big now, is because the global connections are getting fast enough, omitting the need of dedicated servers locally.
Because running your own servers is a lot more expensive then simply renting some cloud resources.
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kneon  +   370d ago
@Foxgod

If you're tired of explaining cloud then perhaps you should stop since you don't know what you are talking about.
thehitman  +   370d ago
@ Fox

Cloud computing is a colloquial expression used to describe a variety of different computing concepts that involve a large number of computers that are connected through a real-time communication network (typically the Internet).[1] Cloud computing is a jargon term without a commonly accepted non-ambiguous scientific or technical definition. In science, cloud computing is a synonym for distributed computing over a network and means the ability to run a program on many connected computers at the same time.

The popularity of the term can be attributed to its use in marketing to sell hosted services in the sense of application service provisioning that run client server software on a remote location. (Source from wiki and not just random information coming from my ass)

You obviously have no idea what your talking about and comparing Wide Area Networks to Local Area Network to Cloud is like comparing apples and oranges. You can have a cloud located on a LAN and a WAN so I dont see your point? Clouds are EXACTLY just that computers/virtual machines that can be accessed from anywhere mainly the internet or some sort of network. If I wanted to build my own cloud from home I can and access it anywhere and have it do anything I want it to do (stream, access data, compute information). This fall I will finish my bachelors in Computer Information Systems mainly directed in Computer Network Security and Web Architecture so I am sure I know a little more than you do on the matter.
B-radical  +   370d ago
Shhh dont be pro xbox ;)
ALLWRONG  +   370d ago
FrigidDARKNESS 28 disagrees for the truth. You could just punch in "MS cloud" in any search engine and get those facts without even clicking a link. Here I'll make it easy for those 28, and the 200 who follow that are in denial https://www.google.com/#gs_... Sony bought in later when they realized how important it was.

I wont be buying ether one, going with PC Wii U.
quenomamen  +   370d ago
And how does this translate into making the X1 3 to 10 times as powerful again ?
MysticStrummer  +   370d ago
You guys can compare cloud infrastructures all you want, but it's not the issue.

The issue is the user's connection to that infrastructure.

Have fun thinking about what won't happen this generation.
buynit  +   369d ago
Im thinking im ready and so is my connection..

But i see your point.
SilentNegotiator  +   369d ago
And furthermore, how many developers are going to spend all of that extra dev time creating cloud-computing portions of games when they JUST received shiny new consoles that will do probably everything they've imagined in the last 7 years?
JokesOnYou  +   369d ago
Silent, Here you go....
"And furthermore, how many developers are going to spend all of that extra dev time creating cloud-computing portions of games"

-Respawn (Titanfall)
"So they built this powerful system to let us create all sorts of tasks that they will run for us, and it can scale up and down automatically as players come and go. We can upload new programs for them to run and they handle the deployment for us. And they’ll host our game servers for other platforms, too!"
http://www.respawn.com/news...

-Insomniac (Sunset Overdrive)
"Price also added that the console's online cloud structure and horsepower would allow more "hardcore data collection, correlation and translation" that would be tough on current generation consoles. "We are going to be relying on heavy back-end services to churn through the data we get from players to understand what they're telling us and what they're doing in the game."
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

-Turn 10 (Forza5)
"I got that, but I also kind of didn’t, I told Greenwalt. How does that actually work? What happens? This, you see — the essence of how these Xbox One games actually work — has been so frustratingly elusive. What does it feel like to play an Xbox game that’s relying on the cloud?"

"He, thankfully, was specific."

"The first time you put the game in, it’ll reach out to the cloud and pull down data from other people’s Drivatars. Immediately, you’ll have opponents in the game who are driving in the style of real people. These Drivatars are imbued with the driving personality and tendencies of real people, Greenwalt told me. So if the person tended to take turns a certain way, pass in certain ways, drive off the road a lot… that will be evident in the virtual version of them against which you compete."

"The actual data going back and forth from the Xbox One to the cloud isn’t that complex, he told me. What’s complex is the work the computers connected in the cloud will do to crunch players’ driving tendencies. Doing that all outside of the Xbox One frees the console from having to use any muscle figuring it out. Eventually, he said, the cloud computing system will begin to discard older data that used to inform a player’s Drivatar. That’s so that the Drivatar more accurately represents how the player’s driving skills have improved or deteriorated."
http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

-Ubisoft (Watch Dogs)
“Physics calculations, similarly, aren't dependent on strict timing. The way a tree reacts to weather, it's physics, right?," Guay explained, "It's bending materials. Well, what if I could run that on the cloud? It doesn't need to be fully synced. There are occasions where there will be an advantage, but it's clear in the short term there's plenty of power within the machines." http://www.strategyinformer...

-This is just the start....there are many more examples of what cloud can contribute.
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SilentNegotiator  +   369d ago
Vague stuff, data collection, player-mimicking AI (already exists), and tree physics.

Revolutionary.
/s
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MysticStrummer  +   369d ago
Funny that Respawn has this to say about the cloud, and it's something no one has felt the need to point out here.

"Let me explain this simply: when companies talk about their cloud, all they are saying is that they have a huge amount of servers ready to run whatever you need them to run. That’s all."

In short, there's nothing inherently special about MS's cloud. It's false to say MS can do it and Sony can't.

As I keep saying though, the most important part of the puzzle is the part that's most commonly ignored by the Branch Cloudians, and that is the connection between the user and those servers.

The average connection speed available in the biggest gaming market will allow a minuscule amount of data to be processed by the cloud. Even a 50mbps connection will only allow a tiny fraction of data per second, when compared to the internal system of the console.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
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donman1  +   370d ago
Very misleading title of this article.
Cuzzo63  +   370d ago
Geesh
@Frigid
Okay man, lets say its all true and we are wrong. But where does it give this massive boost to graphics etc etc. From what im hearing, its not gonna be that big of a game changer. Nevermind cloud. Xb1 is still underpowered for its price. As I see it you guys are funding their agendas lol. Xb1 is underpowered. Cloud is not gonna turn ddr3 ram into gddr3, cloud is not gonna give extra cu's, tflops or speed up the blu ray drive. Yet have we seen anything that gives it a edge in processing power. Its mainly formassive worlds and A.I. I dont care if Xb1 has better flowing water.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   369d ago
Well for one thing GDDR3 is no longer manufactured you meant GDDR5. DDR3 is slower but more efficient but it is helped out by the esram. The final xbox one specs will be announced at at the end of august or september 23 when all the NDA are lifted or ends. The specs you see now on paper will be much different. The xbox one GPU will be customized from the next generation of AMD/aTI Radeo technology that will be GCN 2.0.
Cuzzo63  +   369d ago
Lol im sorry. Gddr5 then. Yea it might be more efficient... in a pc. But if you do ur research you will find the the way its implemented on the same die the issues aren't the same as in a pc. Information does not have to travel far. As far as actual specs. Same goes for the ps4. Spec are not 100% yet. I doubt that when all specs are laid out. Ps4 will stillhave the advantage. We will see soon. But the issue at hand is the cloud. Its not gonna give a performance boost and if it did, will all developers take advantage of it. Look at the ps3 and the cell. They said it was difficult to develop for. Along with the weaker gpu in the ps3 developers were not taking advantage of it, hence the better performing multiplats. 1st partys on the other hand told a different story. Now if Micro 1st partys take advantage and it proves useful the I will give them props. But as of right now, nothing ground breaking so that why lots are calling bs on that.
JUDALATION  +   369d ago
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! Cloud is JUST some bullshit that Microsoft came up with to hide the fact that the PS4 has a 50 percent faster CPU and 20 percent faster ROM! I play on PC and Cloud can only be used to calculate weather or AI Because those calculations dont have to be done every frame! Since COD does not use AI or Weather changes it does not NEED Cloud! To render graphics via cloud is stupid because the Latency and Broadband delays would be too slow! Thats why GPUs Clocks TFLOPS FAST
kingliam3  +   369d ago
Your research team has been working hard.
However.. Fire them :)
Pixel_Enemy  +   369d ago
Who titled this article? He didn't mention the PS4 once in the entire video.
kewlkat007  +   369d ago
MS's cloud infrastructure is not all about a bunch of dedicated servers. Been telling you that.

Microsoft build the Xbox One for the "FUTURE" and regardless what naysayers may think of it or how it will be used, we will leave up to the devs.

Sony has always been aggressive and usually has taken risk with every Sony console. I feel like they have played it safe this coming generation of console to regain some of the rep they lost last gen. Besides a spec bump in GPU and Ram, what are they bringing new to the table? There is no risk or anything to say they have set themselves apart form the competition a big way like we are used to.

From what I've been hearing from the devs, I believe, the Xboxone will separate itself from the PS4 with the advantages MS is bringing with XBL experience. I call this added benefits and tools devs can choose to create with or take advantage of for the life of the console because the infrastructure will be there from the start.

When Ms comes to you and say, we already got the Infrastructure, you think a dev is not going to get giddy...
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DonFreezer  +   369d ago
Please do you want to lose your bubbles?If it's not smoething related to the super powered gddr5 or to the tetraflops of the ps4's gpu it holds nothing.From what I have read Microsoft has made one hell of an investment and everything those guys said made me extremely excited about the future of online gaming.Shut your mouth ps drones and watch the king hail to his thrown.
T2  +   368d ago
well if you are all right about how great ms servers and teh cloud is, then I will be happy to pick up an xbone in 2015, for about 349 dollars.
but until I see valid proof of anything special, i am just gonna keep staring at the paperweight that my 360 has become.
Mounce  +   369d ago
I tell you what, FrigidDARKNESSS

Your head is in the clouds......and that's never a good thing when it comes to someones ability to think.
nypifisel  +   369d ago
Pff, a better question is, have YOU got the internet infrastructure in your neighbourhood to support cloud computing?... Nope. People need to stfu and understand that it does NOT work today. The user base wont have fast enough connection to support it, no matter how much money MS puts on servers.

Cloud = Dedicated servers -> no magic, been around for as long as the internet. Cloud computing is too latency sensitive to work today.. My god.
theWB27  +   369d ago
It's been stated so may times that it works. CD Projekt Red has stated it. Respawn...I think you know who. Micro has poured billions of dollars into it and yet you still think it's fake.

Cloud=Dedicated servers->no magic, been around as long as the internet.

By that close minded statement you think no advancements have been made since the internet came around?

I'm glad people who think so little like you aren't in the position to think further and advance tech. Cause obviously you wouldn't be looking to do more. Be more suited to be an car manufacturer.
nypifisel  +   369d ago
Not a single developer have specifically said anything about cloud computing, the only praise to have come from developers is that MS finally got dedicated servers they can utilize.
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   369d ago
gtfo frigiddarkness , with your multiple accounts giving yourself agrees and well said lol.
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showtimefolks  +   369d ago
sony has said their cloud service can do everything xbox one's

so let's leave it to that till we get the consoles and can see how developers use each's playform's different offerings

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

so let's not jump the gun
Godmars290  +   370d ago
MS is talking about increases in overall game quality, whereas as Sony is just talking about allowing for BC. One's going for proven while the other pretty much says "trust us" when they've given no reason to trust them. Just the opposite.
B-radical  +   370d ago
Im sure we can trust many of the developers that have been praising it thus far?
Godmars290  +   369d ago
Like how they praised the Wii then made nothing for it? Or like Kinect, which received praise for years before it was even released, then again saw nothing but either children's games, party titles or just something with broken gameplay.

All this "MS have won the cloud" is meaningless until it is actually what value cloud support offers. What people are going to have to do to get it.
XRAVE  +   369d ago
no you can't trust them they been payed lol. if u pay me ill say whatever u wanna hear
nukeitall  +   370d ago
Titanfall already proves the cloud.

Respawn went to both Sony and MS, only MS came back with answer about the massive need for disributed cloud processing power and the game requires the cloud!

Forza 5 and driveatar is another. This is just the tip of it, as we already know as the generation matures we will even see more innovations.

That is already several reasons to trust, but it wouldn't matter to a Sony fangirl, because unless Sony says it, it isn't to be trusted!!!
thehitman  +   370d ago
Actually Respawn said they only went str8 to MS and they cut a deal with them almost day one since they started their studio. Titanfall proves nothing since its not even out and the fact its on PC as well will that version use MS cloud as well? I am pretty sure it wont as MS will only want to allocate resources to the xb1 version. That in itself calls out the gimmick that it is. The only reason for it not being on Sony platform is $$$$.
quenomamen  +   370d ago
Ooooh I'm sure TitanFall ( COD with Mechs ) can only be possible on the X1. Oh yes, I mean the fact that it has 30% less power than the PS4 actually makes it possible. Lolz
SpideySpeakz  +   370d ago
Titanfall doesn't prove much because its also on PC and 360. C'mon, it runs a engine that is a decade old.

Fail.
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DigitalRaptor  +   369d ago
Titanfall is also coming to 360 and PC. The only reason it's not on PS4, at least not at launch, is because of that thing that Microsoft loves most. Keep the delusions coming, because after years and years of smoke and mirrors treatment from this company, it's just going to make the laughs harder.
nypifisel  +   369d ago
Titanfall wants the benefit of dedicated servers.. NOT cloud computing. argh.
spockontherock  +   369d ago
How does it prove? The game is not even out yet.
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   369d ago
nukeitall get to troll and talk BS and yet keeps his bubbles/ mods are a joke.
nukeitall  +   369d ago
I will leave you with this:

When asked if Xbox One’s cloud computing capabilities would help TitaFall, Respawn developers had this to say:

“You couldn’t make this game without having that kind of dedicated server support.”

Not only that, but since Respawn won’t be using the Xbox cloud on the PC version of TitanFall they say the PC version won’t be as good as Xbox One version. Or at least they hint at that. They said:

“We won’t get all the nice-ities on PCs that you get on Xbox One. There will be some re-engineering things.”

http://gimmegimmegames.com/...

@thehitman:

Microsoft’s dedicated cloud servers allow Respawn to implement more and better AI, physics, and environments, eliminate the “host advantage” that plagues many online games, thwart some forms of cheating, boost matchmaking speeds, eliminate the need to pause the game when the host player quits, and improve visuals and audio by taking full advantage of the console hardware and leaving other tasks to the cloud processors.

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.co...

Also:

"I [John Shiring, Respawn] personally talked to both Microsoft and Sony and explained that we need to find a way to have potentially hundreds-of-thousands of dedicated servers at a price point that you can’t get right now. Microsoft realized that player-hosted servers are actually holding back online gaming and that this is something that they could help solve, and ran full-speed with this idea."

Read more: http://www.respawn.com/news...

Proof is right there with Forza 5 and Titanfalls. Enuff said!
PSN_ZeroOnyx  +   370d ago
Shuhei Yoshida has already publicly said that Gaikai can do cloud computing if developers want to use it in that way. So no, you are wrong saying it can only stream.
gamertk421  +   370d ago
He lies.
mark134uk  +   370d ago
im a sony fan,but i think the future is the cloud and at the min ms are ahead with this,however i dont think developers will start taking full advantage of the cloud for a few years giving sony a op to invest the psn money,either in servers or a partner like google
mediate-this  +   369d ago
PR dribble, you think the boss will go on record saying the ps4 cant do what the one can?
XRAVE  +   369d ago
Only MS lies my friend
LackaJaKane  +   369d ago
I guarantee you can't find a link where yoshida said developers can use gaikai for cloud computing if they desire
OpieWinston  +   369d ago
So you come back with a lieing piece of shits "Promises" cool story indeed.

Gaikai CAN'T perform Cloud Computing, the people that worked there already confirmed that. Is it really that hard to understand?

BTW your picture is of "CoD Ghosts". Already your argument is invalid.
Foliage  +   369d ago
@Opie

I think you should learn what "cloud computing" means. Your comment is a huge fail.

That's like saying water isn't wet.
ScarzFX  +   369d ago
People like you will always find a way to turn a positive of microsoft/xb1 into a negative
Godmars290  +   369d ago
SHOW SOMETHING!
Stop acting or talking like the XB1 has already heralded in a new era in gaming and taken over for the good of all when the damn thing isn't even out yet!

Stop talking positively about the f***ing thing when you don't even have it in your living room.
ScarzFX  +   369d ago
Where in my comment am I "acting or talking like the XB1 has already heralded in a new era in gaming and taken over for the good of all" ?

Im simply stating that people will always find something bad in whatever Microsoft does, and youre one of those people. This whole cloud thing to me seems like a good thing, developers can utilise it to make their games even better. Wheres the problem in that?

You also said "Stop talking positively about the f***ing thing when you don't even have it in your living room." So because I dont own the console yet it means I have to only say bad things about it?
Godmars290  +   369d ago
"So because I dont own the console yet it means I have to only say bad things about it?"

At the very least you should question things about it, like I question things about the PS4. Like I'm questioning any validity towards cloud support and the XB1 in light of the lack of any evidence.

Likewise, evidence of me being negative towards the XB1 would be my reaction to its originally announced DRM policies. Which if generally taken positively and without question would still be in effect.
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T2  +   368d ago
Godmars is right, this speculation is fun and entertaining but when I *glare at my 360, I am not seeing a bunch of fulfilled promises, its a dead system right now. PS4 is offering a lot for 399, if MS pulls their crap together I could indeed buy one. But not without proof, and so far I haven't seen sh#@
Gimmemorebubblez  +   370d ago
On current world wide internet speeds the cloud is going to do NOTHING for most people.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   370d ago
The same thing was said about xbox live in 2001 .
Gimmemorebubblez  +   370d ago
I'd be happy to be proven wrong ;)! But Physics calculations, streaming of textures, and even entire games is impossible on most peoples internet speeds.
Rainstorm81  +   370d ago
......and 5 years later Xbox Live became relevant on Xbox360 ......because it surely wasn't relevant in 2001

Edit: Maybe I'm being too harsh it became somewhat relevant on Xbox Prine when Halo 2 launched in 2004, but then again it did nothing for most people till X360
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BattleTorn  +   370d ago
@rainstorm81

Xbox Live prior to Halo 2 was the shit!!
InTheLab  +   370d ago
It was true back in 2001...
n4rc  +   370d ago
Wrong..

Most people seem to equate the cloud with having to stream all data back to the user..

This is server side stuff.. Just like titanfalls ai. Ai is plugged into the server and will have less latency issues then you will..

Or it does back end physics for the game world..

Bandwidth is not a limiting factor.. Think of it as a math problem that take up 4 pages.. But the answer is 3..

Now does sending the answer the same as calculating it locally? Sending that 3 is peanuts but getting to the answer takes processing power
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forcefullpower  +   370d ago
Please stop taking about cloud computing you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

If a game is online only then they can use distributed computing (cloud) for stuff like ai as the worlds run server side like every fucking mmo that has been around for the last 15 year. You will not be getting cloud doing back end physics as this still has to be done locally to be displayed on screen in real time.

Bandwidth is a massive limiting factor do you know how most people Internet connection has everything up 150ms ping time and that doesn't even include issues for jitter and actually download and upload speed.

Anything outside of that is utter rubbish and will not make singleplayer games any better than what is running on the local machine which are already very powerful.
Foliage  +   369d ago
@force

Thanks. Some people just accept PR bait. The Xboner crowd is in particular highly taken by bait; with no research or attempt to see if any of it makes any theoretical sense.
oscarcat59  +   370d ago
Azure already exists. Servers all over the world and 10 billion spent. Yes it will work but how much who knows. How it will be used is yet to be learned. Let me guess negative nay sayers still believe men cannot fly in planes lol
KillrateOmega  +   370d ago
I'll believe MS's claims concerning the cloud, when I see it; however, I have trouble seeing how they're going to get the around the limits of the current state of our internet infrastructure.
B-radical  +   370d ago
Will have to wait for watch dog comparisons?
Foxgod  +   370d ago
There are no limitations, it depends on your own internet state.

If you want to watch hd movies trough a streaming service, your also out of luck if you got crappy internet.
You cant blame the streaming provider for that.
KillrateOmega  +   370d ago
So they'll basically be releasing a game that will be of varying quality from system-to-system based on each individual's internet connection?
(If I'm off on this, please let me know.)

That seems like something that'll aggravate a lot of people.
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Foxgod  +   370d ago
Are people aggravated on not being able to stream HD video, while others can?

Its impossible to offer everybody the same experience, no matter what you offer.
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MysticStrummer  +   370d ago
"There are no limitations, it depends on your own internet state"

That is the limitation. Even with a 50mbps connection, the One can process much much much more data than the cloud can deliver, and PS4's memory is faster than One's.

According to Digital Foundry, the average connection in the world's largest gaming market will allow 1/20000 of the data to be processed by the cloud.
Parapraxis  +   369d ago
"Its impossible to offer everybody the same experience, no matter what you offer."

Unless you know, the game is made for a console where it's almost guaranteed to be the same for all users.
One of the main benefits for consoles is that devs have one target, and know the specs are the same for every owner of a given platform.
KarateExplosion  +   369d ago
Your comparison is flawed. Streaming HD movies.. Im paying $60 for this game. It better run the same as everyone else. A good comparison to that would be PC gamers. The only difference there is you can order the parts you need to run your game at higher settings. If you are stuck in a place with bad internet then you are stuck. Shouldnt punish the owner for where they live.
Foliage  +   369d ago
@Para

"Unless you know, the game is made for a console where it's almost guaranteed to be the same for all users.
One of the main benefits for consoles is that devs have one target, and know the specs are the same for every owner of a given platform. "

Wow. the point just flew way over your head. Is the cloud running inside the Xbone or does the Xbone access it through the internet? Use your head.

Devs DO NOT KNOW what the costumers internet connection will be like.
Agent_hitman  +   370d ago
That MS's PR cloud is nothing but a pile of bullcrap. Who would want a console always connected online, especially if you're living in a 3rd world country where internet is expensive even the 1-2mbps plan?..

Mandatory connection within 24 hours is just a waste.. Cloud power just to super charge xbone is another pile of crap just to uplift it's hype..

All I am saying is, majority of gamers are not interested in that gimmicks, they just want a gaming devices and play online, not to supercharge their system with a cloud crap!>
itswinter  +   370d ago
Always connected? Where the hell have you been... I mean, seriously?? Wow, I'm sorry but your comment really annoyed me. No 24 hour check-ins and no always online. A ton of stuff people hated has been removed. There is no region lock and many things will still change. The only time connection is needed is RIGHT when you set up you XBOX ONE. It has to do an update. After that, you never NEED it. Of course you need internet connection to update things, but you don't have to update things. If you don't have good connection, or lose connection a lot, you can get things when you get it back, but the only time you ACTUALLY NEED it is when you first set it up.
HarryMasonHerpderp  +   370d ago
But if the Xbox is using "teh cloudz" for their games to look a bit shinier or whatever then the console has to be connected online I am right?
So if I wasn't connected I wouldn't be able to play the game?
So in a sense it's always online.
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PSN_ZeroOnyx  +   370d ago
Only DRM was changed. You are still required to have internet BC it's a ”cloud” based system.
slampunk  +   370d ago
Did you guys miss E3 this year?

Destiny
The Crew
The Division
Titanfall

are all "online only" games and next gen hasn't started yet......Do you think it will stop there? both systems are going online whether we like it or not...
Cursinguser  +   370d ago
Exactly. No matter which console you're buying, a majority of the larger publishers are releasing online-centric games. No matter how you shake it, internet is going to be required to enjoy these these titles. The "always on" push is happening whether we want it or not.
Nocando  +   370d ago
It amazes me that all of the sudden online only gaming is this huge barrier. I believe it's only because Sony fans realize that their console of choice is at a serious disadvantage in this area, so they paint it in a bad light. Then they turn around and say, oh, well Sony has Gaikai, and it can do the same thing. So which is it?
Parapraxis  +   369d ago
And for users who do not want to go online, they can buy other games.
Having the option in the hands of consumers is a far better option than forcing everybody to be online at all times.
Foliage  +   369d ago
@Nocando

That's a 2 way street. Xboners are putting all their faith in the cloud and the promises associated with it; as you all know the Xbone console is at a disadvantage in every single technical aspect.

Your arguments pretty much sound like: "I don't need technology; I have faith and magic!"

Microsoft is using PR spin to sell a feature that has already been used on any game that ever utilized a server. There is nothing additional special about it. Sony can do the very same thing; heck, the Wii U can as well. Why stop there; you could use this technology in almost every gaming platform ever released.

If a PS4 accessed Azure; it would have the same capabilities being spun by Microsoft. If the PS4 accessed any server (including Gaiki); it would have the same capacity. Heck, the PS3 even utilized other PS3s for cloud computing. There is absolutely nothing new here; just PR spin.

Gaikai has been at this a hell of a lot longer; no need to worry about the PS4. Worry about your limited internet connections.
quenomamen  +   370d ago
Youre talking to a bunch COD playing 14 year olds who think a bunch of servers actually makes a console process information faster. Turns out all these PC makers have been lying to us all along . We don't need faster CPUs or better video cards. No just more servers. What a joke.
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jXales  +   370d ago
I hope They pull it off,

But as mentioned how will it work

If you live here here or here your game will be more dynamic better awesome cloud powah!!

If you live anywhere else you're SOL. #dealwithit

Doubt that'd work :)
Nicaragua  +   370d ago
You list a load of articles, but then point out how inaccurate some of the information in these articles is, that just to me highlights what a crock of shit this whole cloud thing is.

MS invested a lot of money in the cloud for office 365, for sharepoint online, for skype. When they reel off all this talk of datacentres to gamers then it gives the false impression that all this money and resources is there just for the Xbox, in reality its just going to make very little difference to gamers.
n4rc  +   370d ago
Why? Because you don't think it will and choose to ignore what everyone explains to you?

The arrogance around here is astounding.. Lol
Nicaragua  +   370d ago
No not for those reasons, and if you knew anything about the subject then you wouldn't be making a tit of yourself trying to defend something you have no knowledge of.

Go read this article by unbiased experts who don't have a game or console to market and then come back and tell me what i am ignoring and how arrogant I am.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Until then your just another idiot who types lol because they have nothing more intelligent to say.
DigitalRaptor  +   369d ago
@ Nicaragua

Wow. You've actually got more disagrees than agrees for posting an unbiased fact-based Digital Foundry article. It's probably because it exposes some sore truths about this whole cloud business that Microsoft is focusing our attention towards, to draw attention away from how under-powered their multimedia box is.

This whole "cloud" defense is just as amusing and sad as the defense against the removal of the "family sharing plan" where Xbox fans actually believed Microsoft and publishers would allow you to share all of your purchased games with 10 friends.

Microsoft has their fans believing their marketing PR nonsense more than any other company.
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gaelic_laoch  +   370d ago
Everyone needs to get their heads out of the clouds and back down to reality. Cloud Gaming is completely unproved for quality as of yet, ye are getting sucked into a massive marketing distraction at the moment!
dantesparda  +   370d ago
Ding, ding, ding! and the winner is, you sir have hit the nail right on the head. Boy are half these fanboys in for a surprise
DonFreezer  +   369d ago
Yup.If Sony starts using the cloud then we can talk but since it's Microsoft it must be crap right?Shut your freaking mouth delusional ps drones we are sick of you.
DigitalRaptor  +   369d ago
You mean you are sick of the people talking with their brains and customizing their sentences with logic, rather than submitting to anti-consumerism for faith in absolutely unproven "innovation" from a company attempting to save face.

I guess Eurogamer's Digital Foundry are all "delusional ps donres" too? http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... How easily you fall into Microsoft's traps. If "ps drones" hadn't spoken out against DRM and real gamers hadn't expressed their dissatisfaction with Microsoft by pre-ordering a PS4 instead, you'd be singing their praises whilst accepting the loss of your consumer rights and celebrating the fact that you support an anti-consumer corporation. Don't talk to me about "drones".
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B-radical  +   370d ago
As far as i know Sony have only talked about bc streaming playstation games. I dont know what tools microsoft or sony are offering to developers regarding the cloud but it seems to be more of advantage at this point to MS.

Be cool to see sony announce what other tools they will provide
Android  +   370d ago
Although its interesting to speculate, i think people are overdoing it now lol
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Foxgod  +   370d ago
This gen will take a massive leap toward openworld games.
And in openworld games a lot of physics and AI crunching is going on.

MS their Azure Cloud tech that allows direct computing into the game your are playing, will make everything feel a lot more lively.
Just dont expect to see big differences on early games, because the software for the cloud as well as the cloud size is still under development.

I also repeatedly pointed out before that Gaikai cannot be compared to Azure, Gaikai is indeed just a streaming app service.
PSN_ZeroOnyx  +   370d ago
Gaikai can do cloud computing also if developers wish to do so, Shuhei Yoshida has already confirmed this.

Stop spreading misinformation!
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clevernickname  +   370d ago
What a load of rubbish. You're shouting at the rain in the clouds if you actually think Microsoft's cloud computing claptrap is going to do real time AI and game physics.

You have swallowed Microsoft's marketing doublespeak hook, line, and sinker.
dcj0524  +   369d ago
It can stream games. Can't it stream AI&Physics?
edonus  +   370d ago | Well said
The sony fanboys still running from the truth.
To all those that want to understand the spin the sony loyalist use and how to get around it.

The sony supporters are beginning to realize the cloud is very real and no matter how much they pray it doesnt exist they are learning and will continue to learn it is real. Now when they finally accept that cloud computing is real they will need to downplay and spin it abilities. So here are the realities around their BS.

Some will talk about our internet infrastructure and how it cant be used to improve games. The spin they are using to justify this is that servers cant process data fast enough to run a game like your console can because of latency. This is a trick. No one ever said the server or internet would run a full game in realtime.

What the servers and internet can do quite easily is process the things of a game that dont have to be updated on screen every frame and background calculations. For instance the cloud wouldnt be good for controlling your character but it would work great at creating an open world with no pop in and/or filling the world with npcs or cars with smarter drivers, environmental effects, world effects calculating complex graphics then sending it over so your console can just render it. Everything your console doesnt have to process is more power for the parts in the console to use.
Dead Rising and Watch Dogs are already using the cloud to fill up the cities and make more dynamic worlds, Respawn is using the dedicated servers and perpetual world functions and Forza 5 has offloaded the entire driver AI system and the console hasnt even launched yet. So doubting the clouds power is just people keeping themselves blind.

Oh yeah they will keep posting this Eurogmaer article hat talk about MS cloud gaming. This is all you need to know.
1) the bottom line of the article said we will have to wait and see (this article was written before the devs started explaining how they were using the cloud on the one).
2) Most of the article is talking about trying to process games in realtime from servers and as I explained no one ever said that would be the case and they did a very weak job at creative ways to use the cloud and breaking down processes that will work fine in a high latency environment.
3) They dont know the end and outs of the Azure network.

The sony supporters are ravenous they will make things up and do all they can to suppress the truth. They will never hurt the facts so they will attack the messengers.
urwifeminder  +   370d ago
Yeah I remember the articles about Gaikai it was the best thing since sliced bread now cloud is deemed uncool cause ms are doing much like mic bundles now sony are doing it wow just amazing,lost many a friend over the console wars even a fight in the pub lol was worth it a nice flush bang to the jaw insulting me cause I play xbox sheesh.
stage88  +   369d ago
You've lost friends and get in fights over games console??

I don't know whether to laugh or feel pity.
Parapraxis  +   369d ago
@stage88

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quenomamen  +   370d ago
I guess that MS dev who came out an said the cloud was all marketing BS is really a Sony supporter.
dcj0524  +   369d ago
Lol for real? I was starting to buy into the cloud thing too.
JUDALATION  +   369d ago
HEY SMART GUY Cloud is JUST some bullshit that Microsoft came up with to hide the fact that the PS4 has a 50 percent faster CPU and 20 percent faster ROM! I play on PC and Cloud can only be used to calculate weather or AI Because those calculations dont have to be done every frame! Since COD does not use AI or Weather changes it does not NEED Cloud! To render graphics via cloud is stupid because the Latency and Broadband delays would be too slow! Thats why GPUs Clocks TFLOPS FAST
ape007  +   369d ago
hahahahaha
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shinrock  +   369d ago
BEST COMMENT I EVER READ ON THIS SITE¡!!!!!!!!
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GodGinrai  +   370d ago
I really didnt want to chime in on this but....

Anybody who says sonys cloud infrastucture is on par with MS has lost their marbles. Do some research is all im gonna say. Now..Im off to enjoy the weather. As you were kiddies.
MysticStrummer  +   370d ago
The problem isn't the infrastructure, it's the user's connection to that infrastructure.
GameCents  +   369d ago
. . .and the goal posts are shifted yet again.
For a while it really was the infrastructure. Now that has been proven to be leagues ahead, it is the connection to the infrastructure. Why don't we let the people who are paid to do these things (read: professionals) worry about what exactly can and cannot be delivered through the users' connection.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't work so hard at something like this if they didn't believe we'd be able to benefit from it right now with our current connections.

Or did I miss the part were xbox live now requires 100Mb/s connection?
MysticStrummer  +   369d ago
@GameCents - I'm not sure why that's directed at me. I haven't shifted any goal post and the connection to the servers is, was, and will always be the main concern. Digital Foundry had a very good article on why this is the case.

A 100MB/s connection to XBL isn't required and no one said it was, so I don't know why you bring it up except to try and confuse the issue. Maybe you're just confused.

In the world's biggest gaming market, the average connection will allow 1/20000 the amount of data to be processed by the cloud that can be processed by PS4's internal memory. Even One's internal memory can process much much much more data than the cloud can deliver.
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Supermax  +   370d ago
The truth hurts.10 billion dollars,flawless multiplayer,more dynamic worlds,and twins!
mark134uk  +   370d ago
also remember it took developers 7 years to get the max out of current gen,its going to take years for them to take advantage of the next gen,so adding cloud on top of that your talking 12+ years

3-5 years the games will look the same on both next gen

5-10 years the ps4 will dominate with its power

however in 12 years time if sony havnt invested in the cloud they will be in trouble,however sony are not stupid and will be more than ready for this time
ChipdiddyChip  +   370d ago
Pulling stats out of your ass I see
Belking  +   370d ago
It's not even a contest. Sony's cloud won't even be ready until sometime in 2014 and will only be used for streaming. They won' have the dedicated servers of xbox live nor will devs use it for their games. xb1 azure cloud servers are the better ones here.
N4realGMRZ  +   370d ago
Amazing how the DIehards are jumping on "teh Cloud" now that its outlined adavantages have been clearly highlighted by Devs as opposed to MS themselves, There all like "oh yeah!!! well sony has clouds tooooo!!!! duh!!!!" Sony's systems is becoming a cheaper and poor mans next gen machine by the day when we read things like these, good luck with yje ancient hosted server games......Whack! ohhh and cheap!
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   370d ago
People just need to get their heads out of the clouds
CalamityCB  +   370d ago
The matter of fact is we wont know how either the PS or XB clouds shall do, they have never been underthe pressure of millions of gamers before and we wont truly the know the so called "power of the cloud" until later in the consoles life time.
Either way it is too early for a comparison.
dcj0524  +   369d ago
Sony can probably do this too but not as fast as microsoft. They've been working on ot since 2009 sony since 2012. On gaikai you can stream games. On Azure you can stream computing power and have low latency dedicated servers. I don't like you microsoft but good job.
N8  +   369d ago
All this cloud stuff is imaginary until I see some proof.
extermin8or  +   369d ago
I've reached the point where I actually can't be bothered to even reply to some of the people on here. I swear when I go for a shit- what I flush away has more intelligence than half the people commenting put together. I can't be bothered to go on depth into this but to all the people going on about how many millions MS is spending on cloud tech do really think even a fraction of that will be used for gaming? A relatively limited market for the hardcore games that would have proper use of the cloud? Because it won't be-MS would NEVER pull a profit on that. It would be insane their shareholders would have their heads on platters over the sums of money your are talking about. And @mikemyers I haven't even bothered to read most of your comment I got a short way in and the sheer amount of total shit you were spouting was threatening to suffocate me. Are Microsoft paying you? I'd not I suggest you speak to them because I tell you what they fucking well should be-you've got more bullshit in your first few sentences than the PR companies of all 3 major games hardware companies have released for the last 3 generations combined... And the announcement of the ps3 and xb1 were both full of it on record high levels.
resi5  +   369d ago
I'm seeing a lot of people saying cloud computing is important yet before the next gen reveals no one gave a Damon seems to me like fanboys from with sides are grasping at straws. Microsoft's cloud won't exponentially increase the power of x1s and gaikai won't stream games flawlessly both the azure and gaikai will be similar and won't offer anything that could give one console the edge over the other. Both consoles will be similar as well just like this gen. And for people quoting the watch dogs interview that was in relation to this gen consoles.
GABRIEL1030  +   369d ago
They're selling only smoke, the cloud is an hypothetical add, because the Xbox One lacks of power, its processor is 40% less powerful than PS4's and Xbone uses the old DDR3 memories when the next year the PC will have the new DDR4.
buynit  +   369d ago
FIGHT!
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Dead_Cell  +   369d ago
Technologically I think Microsoft is pushing Cloud-based computing to a level that has more benefits in the future than what Sony is aiming to do with their brand of it, as Sony's is more based upon a distribution service than what MS is offering. It's a really impressive vision they have for the technology when it's understood and not just bled over by fanboys, and they seem to have already built the infrastructure to get started with it.

Whether they can "sell" it at at such an infant level as a console is debatable, but still good luck to them.
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