Watch Dogs producer Dominic Guay drops a bombshell saying that the Xbox One version of Watch Dogs will have a more dynamic city.
cloud powah!!!!! lol
So far Turn 10, Ubisoft, and Respawn are all using it and praising it so I'm pretty sure it works great:)
flamebait false content in the article developer was talking about both XB1 AND PS4 vs 360 and PS3. grasping at straws right now
@newmonday "It’s what I call dynamism; basically, the way the city reacts to you, we are able to push further on the Xbox One." Well, I don't think that quote goes far enough to justify the website's statement that: "Watch Dogs on the Xbox One will have a more dynamic city than the PS4. " Did the developer mean further on the X1 than the PS4...or just generally further once they get to grips with the tech? I personally think its the latter but yeah, I think the headline is grasping at straws.
...Watch Dogs producer Dominic Guay says it will "take a little while before we can get to the full power of those machines", in reference to PS4 and Xbox One... the original comment http://www.nowgamer.com/new...
Story quality: WTF? Like this website?: No Even the media cannot give the right info nowadays..
Sighs of relief and defused rage echo throughout n4g
You may want to add Insomniac to that group.
Dude you are lieing. You know people dont read the articles on this site and that they will take your word for it, especially if its pro Sony. I checked it out for myself and the dev explictly says the XOne will have a an advanatage compared to the PS4 version EDIT: LOL ok so from the comments below lets just say its fake and call it a day ... lmao. Ah these Sony faithful never cease to amaze me. "He then goes on to mention Microsoft’s cloud service that seems like it will be a crucial component to the Xbox One stating, “Physics calculations, similarly, aren't dependent on strict timing. The way a tree reacts to weather, it's physics, right?" Guay went on. "It's bending materials. Well, what if I could run that on the cloud? It doesn't need to be fully synced. There are occasions where there will be an advantage, but it's clear in the short term there's plenty of power within the machines. That's where our engineers are working." In addition to those comments Mr. Guay went on to talk a bit about the graphics and the “dynamism” of the city. Here is what he had to say: "For example, we’re able to simulate the water in full 3D, if you go on a boat the waves that form will affect other boats. We’re also able to spend more time giving brains to the other people on the streets so that they can basically be smarter, and there can be more of them. It’s what I call dynamism; basically, the way the city reacts to you, we are able to push further on the Xbox One.” There it is guys. From the devs themselves, not some fanboy spec sheet.
No matter what's true or fake, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs is the version to buy since it's getting 4 exclusive missions & an exclusive outfit for the main character. http://www.polygon.com/2013... http://www.joystiq.com/2013... http://www.ign.com/articles...
Will add Watchdog to my launch lineup on for the Xbox 1. Good to hear it is turning out to be a good game.
I'll wait for updates on both versions to decide which version's the best. Exclusive content > A more dynamic city In my opinion...
@kingfetish I am sincerely confused by your logic... o_O
@LaChance... He's not lying. IT IS taken out of context... READ THE ARTICLE BY THE PEOPLE DOING THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW... LMFAO!!!! http://www.nowgamer.com/new... This one just took Nowgamers' article, twisted it, and slapped on a flaimebait headline. XD "It’s what I call dynamism; basically, the way the city reacts to you, we are able to push further on the Xbox One." He's just talking about pushing it further on Xbox One IN GENERAL. He's not even comparing it to the PS4. XD "He also spoke about some of the advantages next-gen power affords Watch Dogs." Nice try though kiddo. LOL!!!!
They are referring to the cloud service...didn't sony say that their service can do the same calculations...also this would mean in order for each user to take advantage of the 'cloud service'/more dynamic city they would need to be connected...I am I wrong...
Doesn't Sony own a much more capable "cloud" system? Seems like Sony just isn't boasting about it.
So far Turn 10, Ubisoft, and Respawn are all using it and praising it so I'm pretty sure it works great:) #1.1 Facepalm.
Haha this is the best thing I have seen on this site recently. This article has been paraphrased three times on this site and each of the three times this guy has seemingly said totally different things.
Eveyone is showing the same original article from whence the statement came. Guess what? It all reads the same--they are taking things further with XB1. You sony fans should stop trying to twist it around to downplay what was said because everyone can read and what he said is clear as day. He can backtrack if he likes but he said what he said. You guys are posting the same link as if its different than what this article is saying...its not.
"Did the developer mean further on the X1 than the PS4...or just generally further once they get to grips with the tech? I personally think its the latter but yeah, I think the headline is grasping at straws." Yes. They talked about the dynamism of the city and the onscreen result in another recent interview, and they said it will be the same experience on all platforms. The headline is bait. @Wraith - If you read what he said in context, he's talking about a difference between current and next gen. Try not to be too let down when both versions are the same.
whatever they say, both consoles can do cloud computing. and anyway, if it's true it will only apply as long as the console is connected to internet.
The denial from sony's dedicated is palpable. Why can't you just take this as a good thing? Some of us aren't so narrow that we refuse to consider all three. I love videogames and will be getting all 3 consoles, so good news is just that... good news. No need to kick, scream, and manipulate the facts. That's all I see from you "faithful"
@Lachance where does it say in the quotes you posted that the Xbox one will have an advantage over the PS4? All I see is a quote taken out of context.
"Fundamentally the core, innovative part of Watch Dogs is the same on every platform. But on PS4 we're able to push every lever a lot further." http://www.digitalspy.com/g...
Denial is strong here...
I'll get killed for saying this (despite having a PS4 preordered) but the cloud is not the focus of the article, and achieving this on the X1 is possible even without the cloud. There is a reason high end PCs use DDR3 for their CPUs. Assuming the CPUs in the X1 and PS4 are identical, the lower latency of DDR3 can allow for better AI and more dynamic environments. The environments WILL be prettier on PS4 due to GDDR5, but "more dynamic" due to the smaller multitasking abilities of DDR3. Sony fans see a "5" and think it means better; but the reality is they are just different RAMs that specialize in different things.
@ malokevi Firstly, this quote is taken out of context. He was talking about Xbox One as a next generation system not in the fact that "the cloud" aspect is what allows it. Nowhere does it say the Xbox One version will have a more dynamic city than the PS4 version. Secondly, no. I'm not open to the Xbox One because I won't support a company that tried to screw over gamers, disrespect their consumers, and control the industry and make decisions that would adversely affect the way in which people look at a gaming console going forward. I'll buy a PS4, I'll buy a Wii U, I'll continue to buy games for my PC and handhelds. But I won't support Microsoft and it makes perfect sense to say so.
@Crazy Larry You are comparing the relative merits of RAM type, but ignoring the architecture of the machines, and how they allocate resources, i.e the OS. As Digital Foundry stated before the console reveals, the PS4 would have been at least on par with the Xbox One with the originally rumoured 4GB GDDR5, due to it's architecture and allocation of system resources. The Xbox One is a powerful machine, but Sony took a calculated gamble modules would be available in the required size and cost to enable them to bump the specs upto 8GB GDDR5. Microsoft couldn't take this gamble as they needed 8GB RAM, to cover the OS and other system resources like Kinect integration, hence the use of 8GB DDR3. To make up for some of the performance deficit they also use 32MB of eSRAM, but this also adds to the complexity of the machine, both in terms of production and coding.
@digiraptor Cool, man. You have fun with your principals, while I enjoy great games. Win/win!
The same thing was said for the first Assassin's Creed on the Xbox 360 that will have betetrt crowd than PS3 because architecture was easier and it didn't even happen. Now I don't see why why they would do it especially when both have the same architecure but with a light difference being that the PS4 having the overpowered counterpart of the same architecture. Like newmonday said, it is pure flaimbait and it is only comparing the current gen version. I saw someone(FrigidDARKNESS: http://n4g.com/news/1304970... ) posting this link in a comment in the previous Watch Dogs article and was reprted as trolling, I don't see why this article got even approved.
The original article talks about PS4 and Xbox One, but then he shifts to specifically point out the Xbox One is able to be pushed further. Sounds to me like, the developer is indeed saying the Xbox One version is more dynamic than the PS4. Does it matter though? Some will perform better, some won't! The differentiating factor won't be pixels for me anyhow. It will be features. If I wanted pixels I would spend the equivalent of PS4 or Xbox One on a graphics card for my PC! http://www.nowgamer.com/new...
he specifically mentions xbox one. no other console. i also read somewhere that watchdogs will be 60fps on xbox 1.. i dont honestly know what to think, but for me nothing has been taken out of context. he clearly states xbox 1 and only xbox 1. difficult to swallow on n4g it seems. inferior machines blah blah. i also read a rumour that m$ had put placed an embargo on devs about talking about the SPECS of xbox 1 until september. perhaps at gamescom at the end of august m$ are going to reveal just what their custom stuff is under the hood.. and perhaps n4g has been celebrating a little too early. one more thing, remember e3, when forza and killer instinct were looking gorgeous and smooth on xbox 1 dev kits at1080p 60fps?? and some of the ps4 games were stuttery and 30fps?? and all this talk about m$ being 6 months behind. yet if you were honest, you would have to admit that the xbox 1 games on xb1 dev kits forza, ryse and KI looked gorgeous. yet sony was having a few problems.. something just doesn't add up at the moment... i'll leave you with that
Why is this article still up? It's inaccurate to the context of what he said and it's a duplicate.
So, an extra mission, or whatever, is better than a more life like city? Which, apparently, per the article, is kinda 'exclusive' to XB1?
i hate how Microsoft and x box fan boys keep using the cloud argument, and keep making it out like the cloud compute features are only available on xbox1, or that it is exclusive to xbox1, it is not, Sony just as easily can set up a server farm, with dedicated servers, and use them to do exactly what Microsoft keeps making out to be the second coming of Christ for gaming, its not! This is just p.r to talk up the xbox 1 specs and capabilities, yes maybe one day cloud computing for console gaming will get to the level where it actually makes a big difference for us, but at the moment it is not a big deal! Hell, Sony already have gaikai which has a massive cloud and server based infrastructure set up all over, not to forget P.S.N and S.E.N, so the infrastructure is there, they too could easily do whatever Microsoft is doing with regards to the cloud, so get over it guys! Microsoft is just making the out the cloud stuff to be so much more then it actually is, the facts as they stand, is that the PS4 IS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE POWERFUL AND WILL BE MORE CAPABLE THEN X1! no way to sugar coat that, sorry! and yes the PS3 was more powerful then the xbox 360, but due to the cell and programming for it being too hard, the lazy 3rd parties used xbox360 as the lead platform for most games, which resulted in lazy shoddy ports for PS3, but that in no way meant the ps3 was less capable then the 360, just look at any of the EXCLUSIVES on PS3 compared to the xbox 360 exclusives, killzone 2 and 3,uncharted 2 and 3,the last of us, ALL WERE TECHNICALLY LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF any 360 exclusives! Killzone 2 to this day released all those years ago, still looks much better then any xbox 360 game released today! No one can deny that the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, only a blind fan boy would do that! but again, the multiplats suffered early on,due to lazy third parties,and this made uninformed gamers who are mostly casual gamers, think that xbox360 was indeed more powerful then the PS3! But this new generation this will not happen, since the PS4 has been said to be so easy to program for, and so should give third parties along with first parties ease of access to all the power the PS4 tech has! Meanwhile the xbox1 has been said to be more complex to program for, and so again we are faced with a similar situation, but this time just like the PS3, the PS4 is undoubtedly more powerful then the xbox1, but the key difference being Microsoft's advantage of having a easy to develop for console, like the 360 was, is now gone! Instead the xbox1 is complicated compared the the PS4,so this gen hopefully the PS4 will be the lead platform for third parties when it comes to making games, and so maybe the 360 will be the one getting shoddy ports, and also when you factor in the power differences, it don't look pretty for xbox1!
What I want to know is, how many sites are going to regurgitate the same article over and over. This is the 3rd time we've seen this flamebait article misconstruing what was actually said in the exact same way.
@newmonday actually the origional quote comes from the official xbox magazine highlighting the benefits of the cloud which is cited on the article if you actually read it http://www.oxm.co.uk/56771/... ""So suppose you were an AI, and the decision to make you move was run elsewhere. There would be the same latency," he continued. "If you think about it, it's not different than you holding the controller when you're playing multiplayer. It might allow someone to use one dedicated machine just for on AI. What kind of AI could I do with that? That's interesting." "Physics calculations, similarly, aren't dependent on strict timing. "The way a tree reacts to weather, it's physics, right?" Guay went on. "It's bending materials. Well, what if I could run that on the cloud? It doesn't need to be fully synced. There are occasions where there will be an advantage, but it's clear in the short term there's plenty of power within the machines. That's where our engineers are working." The advantages are there written in black and white for you.
Jeez.... Move on in life people.... This is just another article to get hits because they know you will get your boxers in a twist over anything.... Buy the console you want and happy.... Why does the 'other' console effect you so much if you are never going to buy it. Any response to this or disagrees is your acknowledgement that you are petty or have no meaningful life and fanboy tag is all you cling to.... So please, just enjoy what you bring into your life and have fun with it. Last few weeks on N4G has been a hatred filled joke.... Move on.....
This is a fake article; why didn't the mods pull this and why is it still on the FRONT PAGE?!
They did say that it could be pushed harder on the xbone...we'll have to wait and see what they really mean. If they continue to boast about microsofts cloud computing in a video interview or something, then this may be legit.
@Kratos_Kills 200 plus disagrees? I guess you really pissed off the fanboys.
wow so this website took the original article from nowgamer and twisted into this flamebait article. game journalism is truly sad if they have to resort to this level. the real article refers to both systems since they'll be using dedicated servers they just happened to say xbox as an example. do people actually believe a 3rd party would anger one base over another? click the link below to see how easy it is to find articles that say both versions will be pushed further? http://www.digitalspy.com/g...
The article you linked was from Feb when the XB1 hadn't been announced?
Article from february dude, a lot of things have changed since then, like the XOne actually being revealed. Just a little detail I thought you would like to know. So no, no matter how hard you wish this story is fake it isnt. Yeah hard to sallow huh ... with all the 8GB GDDR ram and what not lol.
@slam that my be so, but i stand by my statement that a major 3rd devs/publisher wouldn't willingly anger one base over the other. both versions will have dynamic city as both are more powerful than current gen. also PS4 is easier to develop for why exactly can't they do the same for it?
@LaChance http://www.nowgamer.com/new... ^^^ THE ACTUAL ARTICLE. Published on July 1st... "Watch Dogs producer Dominic Guay says it will "take a little while before we can get to the full power of those machines", in reference to PS4 and Xbox One." ^^^ Did you see that? "In reference to PS4 AND Xbox One". LMFAO! Nowhere does it say Xbox One will have an advantage over PS4. XD This particular article claiming "Watch Dogs on Xbox One will have a more dynamic city compared to Xbox 360, PS3 and PS4" is nothing but flamebait and you fell for it! LOL!!!! He's talking about NEXT GEN in general... Ala "He also spoke about some of the advantages next-gen power affords Watch Dogs."
Yeah the Watch Dogs article with "PS4 advantages" in the title talks about these same things and says both systems will have the same level of "dynamism" to the city, and the same "onscreen result", meaning there won't be more NPCs on XBox's streets than on PS4's. This article is the definition of flame bait.
@Sonic2000 at the end of the article you linked, it does say that they can push dynamism better on the xbox one. without mentioning the PS4. Did you purposely omit this info?
OHH WELL! The game will be great on both consoles so WHOCARES!
This is flamebait. the writer has mixed interviews to make it looks as though Guay is comparing the PS4 to the XB1. He wasn't. In one interview Guay was talking about the next gen being able to do more in the game than the current gen. In another interview Guay is just talking about possibilities in using cloud computing. Nothing about using to make the game better on any other console. "There are occasions where there will be an advantage(to using the cloud), but it's clear in the short term there's plenty of power within the machines. That's where our engineers are working." Maybe I'm miss reading now, but it seem Guay is stating that they aren't even using the cloud for watch dogs. This is as low as it gets. How any mod can allow this is beyond me. This isn't just some weak opinion piece. The site and all its supporters are passing this off as news. Fake news that can have real world effects. Get off your ass Mods and at least pretend you are trying to run an honest site.
Real, fake, taken out of context, legitimate, misquoted, fact... I dont care. I still wouldnt touch an Xbox 1 after the stunts they've pulled. I dont care if every multiplat looks better on Xbox 1, or if the Xbox 1 is ten times more powerful, the PS4 is my choice because Sony didnt try to screw gamers over. Microsoft did and thats fact. Changing your mind counts for nothing when you only did it because your worried about your bottom line.
I can't wait till games "require" 6-8 gigs of "dedicated" on board system ram. Will the "cloud" be able to pick up the slack/lack? Things should get interesting then.
They won't. Xbox one will be the multiplatform standard this generation. We'll have to wait for ps4 exclusives for hardware to be pushed.
Xbox One has access to 7 gigs of ram for games if needed
Ah, the "cloud", it's amazing how a marketing buzz word can change perceptions about something as dull as online storage/servers. Better still, whenever a difficult question is asked, the powers that be at Microsoft can say, "the cloud will deal with that", knowing full well it's an intangible service which is so difficult to show whether it has any great benefit at all, never mind being essential. Right now, all we can go on are people like Digital Foundry, they can cut through the marketing speak and tell us how little use the "cloud" actually is to shift data back and forth. You see, unlike video/game streaming, which can be compressed, you can't do that with raw game data, so the actually benefit of the "cloud" for gameplay improvements is negligible, as we'll see when TitanFall completes it's Xbox One exclusivity period, and comes to PS4. The "cloud" is also part of the Playstation ecosystem, there'll be dedicated servers for titles like DriveClub, streaming content from "Gaikai", and whatever other services Sony wish to offer.
@Denawayne I believe Xbox180 only uses 5 gigs for games, and 3 gigs are reserved for the 3 OS's. http://kotaku.com/the-five-... Probably won't matter for the first 3 years, but once games require more then 5 gigs, things could get very interesting.
cybersentinel from what i have read, the hypervisor in the xbox 1 can shut down ram using applications if need be. so what denawayne said is correct. if a game needs more ram, then the hypervisor will allocate it the correct amount.
@LouLou If that's the case, then the games really shouldn't be that different from each other on both platforms.
@dena & loulou I've searched for a link stating that from an official source, however, the only thing I can find saying 7GB's will be available for games is from one guy who is speculating based on what they know about hypervisor, and doing it in a way that isn't even entirely accurate or considering how the Xbox is intended to be used. Perhaps one of you two could link an official statement to that effect, since I know there are a few people here parroting it like it's the absolute truth. I would seriously like an official source link. I am not trying to discredit you on your belief, but if you're going to make an argument, at least be able to back it up.
OK, I don't normally worry about disagrees but for the people disagreeing with me asking for an official source that 7GB will be made available for games, how about actually posting an official source instead. I understand you want it to be true. Hell I want it to be true. But unless you can post something official, can you sit there and honestly say it's true and believe it yourself? Do you have enough respect for yourself to go find if this 7GB available for games is even true? Or do you just want to believe what you want because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Trust me, before asking for a link like this, I went to look myself. I searched hard for it. If it were true I would have back up denawayne's and loulou's argument with more technical information and links myself. I may hate MS right now, but I will give them credit where it is due. I am aware of the article that people are referencing to get this number, and it's not an official source. It's a guy speculating on the use of hypervisor in the X1. And as I said, he disregards certain aspects of the X1's functionality to come to his conclusion, namely the multi-tasking features of the X1 OS itself which is reliant on those services running. So please, Xbox fans who want this to be true, do something positive and prove me wrong. Make me a believer. This is your chance. Don't ignore criticism, address it in a constructive way.
im never giving this site a shot again. sorry dudes make better article and not lies you chump
The power of the cloud is so frowned upon by users not getting the XB1. If you cannot see the dynamic advantages with certain games, then I don't know. At least give MS credit for trying to bring something new to gaming on consoles. The infrastructure will be there, MS is paying for it, so devs will have all the tools to take advantage if they choose to. I think they will.
It's also frowned upon by tech people like digital foundry, and if you need the cloud how well do all these games function without it?
You really think the games will not function out the box if cloud is not involved? I think it will enhance certain games..especially multiplayer online, big world games, where, even if your not playing things will be continuously added, evolve and change. As much as developers program certain functions to take place in a game, at a certain time, when a certain thing happens, you don't have to stick to these rules depending on environment or locations in game, or after 24 hours. The things is, console's have never used this added benefit so why there are a lot of questions on what games and how will it be implemented, well that is up to the devs. I doubt MS investing in 300K servers to sit there and be useless.
With Microsoft allowing offline play the cloud has been proven to be nothing more than a PR stunt. It's a glorified dedicated server architecture with a new name.