Watch Dogs producer Dominic Guay drops a bombshell saying that the Xbox One version of Watch Dogs will have a more dynamic city.
cloud powah!!!!! lol
wow so this website took the original article from nowgamer and twisted into this flamebait article. game journalism is truly sad if they have to resort to this level. the real article refers to both systems since they'll be using dedicated servers they just happened to say xbox as an example. do people actually believe a 3rd party would anger one base over another? click the link below to see how easy it is to find articles that say both versions will be pushed further? http://www.digitalspy.com/g...
The article you linked was from Feb when the XB1 hadn't been announced?
Article from february dude, a lot of things have changed since then, like the XOne actually being revealed. Just a little detail I thought you would like to know. So no, no matter how hard you wish this story is fake it isnt. Yeah hard to sallow huh ... with all the 8GB GDDR ram and what not lol.
@slam that my be so, but i stand by my statement that a major 3rd devs/publisher wouldn't willingly anger one base over the other. both versions will have dynamic city as both are more powerful than current gen. also PS4 is easier to develop for why exactly can't they do the same for it?
@LaChance http://www.nowgamer.com/new... ^^^ THE ACTUAL ARTICLE. Published on July 1st... "Watch Dogs producer Dominic Guay says it will "take a little while before we can get to the full power of those machines", in reference to PS4 and Xbox One." ^^^ Did you see that? "In reference to PS4 AND Xbox One". LMFAO! Nowhere does it say Xbox One will have an advantage over PS4. XD This particular article claiming "Watch Dogs on Xbox One will have a more dynamic city compared to Xbox 360, PS3 and PS4" is nothing but flamebait and you fell for it! LOL!!!! He's talking about NEXT GEN in general... Ala "He also spoke about some of the advantages next-gen power affords Watch Dogs."
Yeah the Watch Dogs article with "PS4 advantages" in the title talks about these same things and says both systems will have the same level of "dynamism" to the city, and the same "onscreen result", meaning there won't be more NPCs on XBox's streets than on PS4's. This article is the definition of flame bait.
@Sonic2000 at the end of the article you linked, it does say that they can push dynamism better on the xbox one. without mentioning the PS4. Did you purposely omit this info?
OHH WELL! The game will be great on both consoles so WHOCARES!
This is flamebait. the writer has mixed interviews to make it looks as though Guay is comparing the PS4 to the XB1. He wasn't. In one interview Guay was talking about the next gen being able to do more in the game than the current gen. In another interview Guay is just talking about possibilities in using cloud computing. Nothing about using to make the game better on any other console. "There are occasions where there will be an advantage(to using the cloud), but it's clear in the short term there's plenty of power within the machines. That's where our engineers are working." Maybe I'm miss reading now, but it seem Guay is stating that they aren't even using the cloud for watch dogs. This is as low as it gets. How any mod can allow this is beyond me. This isn't just some weak opinion piece. The site and all its supporters are passing this off as news. Fake news that can have real world effects. Get off your ass Mods and at least pretend you are trying to run an honest site.
Real, fake, taken out of context, legitimate, misquoted, fact... I dont care. I still wouldnt touch an Xbox 1 after the stunts they've pulled. I dont care if every multiplat looks better on Xbox 1, or if the Xbox 1 is ten times more powerful, the PS4 is my choice because Sony didnt try to screw gamers over. Microsoft did and thats fact. Changing your mind counts for nothing when you only did it because your worried about your bottom line.
I can't wait till games "require" 6-8 gigs of "dedicated" on board system ram. Will the "cloud" be able to pick up the slack/lack? Things should get interesting then.
They won't. Xbox one will be the multiplatform standard this generation. We'll have to wait for ps4 exclusives for hardware to be pushed.
Xbox One has access to 7 gigs of ram for games if needed
Ah, the "cloud", it's amazing how a marketing buzz word can change perceptions about something as dull as online storage/servers. Better still, whenever a difficult question is asked, the powers that be at Microsoft can say, "the cloud will deal with that", knowing full well it's an intangible service which is so difficult to show whether it has any great benefit at all, never mind being essential. Right now, all we can go on are people like Digital Foundry, they can cut through the marketing speak and tell us how little use the "cloud" actually is to shift data back and forth. You see, unlike video/game streaming, which can be compressed, you can't do that with raw game data, so the actually benefit of the "cloud" for gameplay improvements is negligible, as we'll see when TitanFall completes it's Xbox One exclusivity period, and comes to PS4. The "cloud" is also part of the Playstation ecosystem, there'll be dedicated servers for titles like DriveClub, streaming content from "Gaikai", and whatever other services Sony wish to offer.
@Denawayne I believe Xbox180 only uses 5 gigs for games, and 3 gigs are reserved for the 3 OS's. http://kotaku.com/the-five-... Probably won't matter for the first 3 years, but once games require more then 5 gigs, things could get very interesting.
cybersentinel from what i have read, the hypervisor in the xbox 1 can shut down ram using applications if need be. so what denawayne said is correct. if a game needs more ram, then the hypervisor will allocate it the correct amount.
@LouLou If that's the case, then the games really shouldn't be that different from each other on both platforms.
@dena & loulou I've searched for a link stating that from an official source, however, the only thing I can find saying 7GB's will be available for games is from one guy who is speculating based on what they know about hypervisor, and doing it in a way that isn't even entirely accurate or considering how the Xbox is intended to be used. Perhaps one of you two could link an official statement to that effect, since I know there are a few people here parroting it like it's the absolute truth. I would seriously like an official source link. I am not trying to discredit you on your belief, but if you're going to make an argument, at least be able to back it up.
OK, I don't normally worry about disagrees but for the people disagreeing with me asking for an official source that 7GB will be made available for games, how about actually posting an official source instead. I understand you want it to be true. Hell I want it to be true. But unless you can post something official, can you sit there and honestly say it's true and believe it yourself? Do you have enough respect for yourself to go find if this 7GB available for games is even true? Or do you just want to believe what you want because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Trust me, before asking for a link like this, I went to look myself. I searched hard for it. If it were true I would have back up denawayne's and loulou's argument with more technical information and links myself. I may hate MS right now, but I will give them credit where it is due. I am aware of the article that people are referencing to get this number, and it's not an official source. It's a guy speculating on the use of hypervisor in the X1. And as I said, he disregards certain aspects of the X1's functionality to come to his conclusion, namely the multi-tasking features of the X1 OS itself which is reliant on those services running. So please, Xbox fans who want this to be true, do something positive and prove me wrong. Make me a believer. This is your chance. Don't ignore criticism, address it in a constructive way.
im never giving this site a shot again. sorry dudes make better article and not lies you chump
The power of the cloud is so frowned upon by users not getting the XB1. If you cannot see the dynamic advantages with certain games, then I don't know. At least give MS credit for trying to bring something new to gaming on consoles. The infrastructure will be there, MS is paying for it, so devs will have all the tools to take advantage if they choose to. I think they will.
It's also frowned upon by tech people like digital foundry, and if you need the cloud how well do all these games function without it?
You really think the games will not function out the box if cloud is not involved? I think it will enhance certain games..especially multiplayer online, big world games, where, even if your not playing things will be continuously added, evolve and change. As much as developers program certain functions to take place in a game, at a certain time, when a certain thing happens, you don't have to stick to these rules depending on environment or locations in game, or after 24 hours. The things is, console's have never used this added benefit so why there are a lot of questions on what games and how will it be implemented, well that is up to the devs. I doubt MS investing in 300K servers to sit there and be useless.
With Microsoft allowing offline play the cloud has been proven to be nothing more than a PR stunt. It's a glorified dedicated server architecture with a new name.
I didn't say they wouldn't function, I'm questioning how well they will work without the cloud.... Considering they are talking about the games basically needing the cloud.
The largest benefit of cloud computing is for the developers and publishers, because it becomes a kind of always online DRM. The actual benefit to gamers will be minimal. I'd be happier if neither system had cloud functions because it will simply encourage DRM.
@kewlkat007 " I doubt MS investing in 300K servers to sit there and be useless." Or maybe its just a marketing tool? Considering all of the questionable and unorthodox methods Microsoft has used to gain a marketable advantage over the years is it really so far fetched that this is nothing more then a dedicated server farm with a buzz word like "the cloud" to incite interest and increase exposure? Until somebody, anybody gives me tangible evidence that "the cloudz" has any benefits outside of dedicated servers its nothing more then a marketing ploy...
new to gaming ? how do u thing MMORPGs have been running all these years. the 'power of the cloud' has been in use all along. and what about cloud saves that's being done across all platforms. also Gaikai uses a boat load of servers to provide game streaming services. and now MS want to make it sound as if 'the power of the cloud' is the second coming of christ.
The city is in the clouds... kinda like bioshock infinite haha
so Watch Dogs has to be always online on the xbox one ?
Watchdogs has to be always online for every console and PC Maybe that is why they are able to take advantage of the clouds
No it doesn't you can play it offline.
Sit back and watch. Many games will need to be always online for both systems.
@joe Yeah, except that it doesn't have to be always online. From the Senior Producer of Watch Dogs http://www.explosion.com/32... It does have features related to playing the game while connected though, to I guess enhance the experience.
@rainslacker: yes he's contradicting himself if it doesn't have to be always online for the xbone version but offloads calculations for AI and wave physics to the cloud, I don't understand how that would work. Ubi have to cater to the lowest common denominator and in this case that would be 'offline' customers
He said some stuff could be done on the cloud, however he also mentioned that they're still researching that, so it's possible that Watch Dogs wouldn't include any of that implementation. Basically saying that cloud isn't going to be what MS says it will be out of the gate, and it will take time for developers to properly utilize it. Watch Dogs does have features centered around an online connection. For instance, a friend could "hack" into your game and effect it in some way. It's an online feature that "enhances" the game experience, but the overall experience can still be had through offline play. There was a game this gen that had a similar feature, but can't remember what it was. Was a popular one, name just escapes me. However, I don't think cloud is required to make it work, just an online connection. It's like saying in today's gen, you can get the full experience of the game, but if you want to experience the multi-player feature, then you need to be connected. Overall, this is going to be the way next gen is going to be. More features will require online play, and it's a form of indirect DRM in the same vein of online passes to help recoup money on the 2nd hand market. Unless these companies are nice enough to allow used games to utilize those online features like an newly brought copy.
If all these games rely on the cloud power... Then I guess it's safe to say if you don't have your console online then they won't run as good.
bullshit, why more than the PC?
So according to some of you with very poor reading comprehension the Xbox One version will also be better than the PC version, as they didn't mention that either!
sorry to wake you up from your dream, but it's time to get back to reality
Its very true remember #Ms #Cloud isnt just a server its more like a cloud powered gaming engine. Any developerthat utilizes the Cloud will have similar results. Halo 5 is going to be a prime example. Yes many have cloud servers but MS is a cloud powered engine/server and it will do incredible things:-)
Title is completely overblown. He never said Xbox One would have a more dynamic city than the PS4. Never. He didn't even imply it. Typical N4G misleading title. I'm not surprised. Some people are really desperate for positive Xbox One news. It's kinda sad.
Even if one system was proven to be 80 times the performance of the other, people would still deny the truth and believe the hype from a marketing team saying how a screw makes it just as quick, if not quicker. The human flaws. Belief and Egos.
Misleading title...these are all "what-if" statements from the developer
All this cloud talk is confusing to me. I thought Sony had one bought one of the best cloud companies around. So why is Microsoft making such a big deal about their cloud if Sony has a great one too? Just wondering.... I'm not talking about the article, just things I have heard in general.
had a horrible impression of Jeremy, Richard and James dumping cars for consoles..
WOW this was really taken out of context. First he was talking about next-gen meaning ps4 and xbox one. Second he never said anything about using the cloud in this game from the original article. Third in this article when he is talking about the cloud he says "what if i could run that on the cloud" and finishes with there's plenty of power within the machines, thats were our engineers are working." nice try xbox fanboys
you ps3/4/vita/sony guys are ridiculous. Every time there is innovation from some other company, you come out and say "s-s-s-ony can do it too!" Wii motion control "teh six axis and wand is buh better" Kinect "bu bu teh ps eye was out first" tablet controller "you can connect teh vita and its superior" microsofts cloud computing "buh sony just bought teh gaikai and can do same stuff"
You're stupid. Because everything you said is actually true.
@boybato I dare you to read this and not agree http://www.reddit.com/r/xbo...
It really is quite tragic that some people are so invested in "format wars", they willingly and knowingly repeat discredited nonsense. What kind of society do we live in where it's more important to "win" an argument by being disingenuous or outright lieing............
Article is false has been changed from original article to say what this writer wanted it to say. The article on an Xbox site http://www.oxm.co.uk/56771/... The article on another site http://www.digitalspy.com/g...
This guy is really pushing what they said to the limits. In every quote he says machines except the last one. He didn't say vs ps4 either. I don't really think what he said meant all that much.
if it is so powerful (the cloud ) why haven't they showed its power . if they make that claim then they should show it and let everyone see a game real game not tech demo using the cloud. imo I think its not ready or its really nothing to brag about it, im tired of hearing the cloud with nothing but blue clear skies being showed.
Power of the cloud hahahahahahahaha
I smell bullshit, the nowgamer version says the PS4 version is superior...I guess they're trying to promote all platforms but are looking like liars in the interim.
Misleading article. Its pathetic what some gaming sites will do for hits.
I guess cloud itself isn't the myth a lot of people claim it to be? Forza, Titanfall and now this. However, I don't see any reason why the PS4 has to be less dynamic. Surely it can do the same thing?
lets see if you play Watch Dogs on the XB1, go look at some trees by the water then unplug the internet, I bet the scene will still be the same because it is all rendered locally. If not, I will delete my account from N4G and I will be very embarrassed to comment again.
Either way .... It’s what I call dynamism; basically, the way the city reacts to you, we are able to push further on the Xbox One" He doesn't specifically mention being online
Actually no. The dev pretty much confirmed always on for the xbone version.
@newmonday It dont matter cause you cant play watchdogs without the internet on neither version anyway
No. Here is the problem the ps4 will have. It was designed for 4 gigs of memory then last min they up'd it to 8 to compete with XBOX ONE. Sounds good rifgt? But when all or near all 8 gigs are used the ps4 will suffer over heating issues and static gameplay will suffer and or console shut down, so devs will be careful when pushing the ps4.
@xgamer You can't possibly believe games will use all the RAM in the consoles on launch titles. Only developers that will utilize most of the RAM is first party devs and won't be until the end of the gen.
It is, no computations will be made by the server for your xbox
Did you know that Respawn Ent. Said that MS and Google are two corporationdns that have the most powerful servers in the world. Did you that MS R&D ranks #1 while Sony ranks 20-30.
@FrigidDARKNESS, Um, and? I'm pretty sure that everyone knows they have some of the most powerful servers in the world, it's mad obvious. Typical Frigid trying to bring down Sony any way he can, Sony will do just fine with Gaikai.
It doesn't matter how "powerful servers" MS has, it's about internet infrastructure. YOU need a very high bandwidth connection, the percentage of people with viable internet is probably less then 10% for cloud computing to work, hence you can't make games that depend on it.